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Obama: AK-47s Belong In The Hands Of Soldiers, Not Civilians (video)
RealClearPolitics ^ | July 25, 2012 | RealClearPolitics
Posted on July 25, 2012 10:08:16 PM EDT by i88schwartz
I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," President Obama said at the National Urban League convention in New Orleans. "I think we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation. That hunting and shooting are a cherished national heritage."
"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," Obama said Wednesday night.
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piece. o. shite. (comments)
He's right up there with Oreilly (comments), Kristol (comments), and Romney (signed assault weapons ban).
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Sigh.... here it comes.....
So sick of such blatant ignorance and stupidity from our politicians.
Unfortunately theyre catering to the average idiot, and most people are going to cry "People dont need assault rifles!", without knowing the 1st damn thing about them.
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I have a civi AK that is semi auto, as well as an AR , and others.
If SHTF, I'm grabbing the glock 26, mossberg 500, and the bushmaster AR.
I consider myself as a defense to my neighbors if TSHTF and they don't have. Arms.
FUBO!
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That hunting and shooting are a cherished national heritage."
Hunting and shooting are not the only (or even primary) reasons for owning guns. WTH
(He must be thinking of Branch Warren - bb related)
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I have a civi AK that is semi auto, as well as an AR , and others.
If SHTF, I'm grabbing the glock 26, mossberg 500, and the bushmaster AR.
I consider myself as a defense to my neighbors if TSHTF and they don't have. Arms.
FUBO!
Obama is a moron for his statement (awesome he thinks the 2nd Amendment is about hunting), but he's probably just trying to buy more votes.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/25/obama_ak-47s_belong_in_the_hands_of_soldiers_not_civilians.html
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Well, that's pretty much it... Now, Obama is done.
I am really a Libertarian, but Mitt is my boy. I refuse to let Obama win after this.
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Well, that's pretty much it... Now, Obama is done.
I am really a Libertarian, but Mitt is my boy. I refuse to let Obama win after this.
What game you working on?
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Well, that's pretty much it... Now, Obama is done.
I am really a Libertarian, but Mitt is my boy. I refuse to let Obama win after this.
the thing I don't get is that a well trained hunter w a 3o 30 or a scoped 308 could cause so much worse damage if they wanted than this freak.
I have tons of buddies in spec ops and the leader of my self defense school is a Marine Spec Ops LT. col. Who runs sniper platoons in Iraq amd Afghanistan and they laugh at. Obama.
this is beyond naive.
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What game you working on?
The new Medal of Honor: Warfighter and the new Command and Conquer: Generals 2
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The new Medal of Honor: Warfighter and the new Command and Conquer: Generals 2
Cant wait.
Were you involved in MoH 2010 at all?
Love that game.
But then, the more real the game is, the happier I am. No one else I know likes realistic shooters - they all get pissed they cant pwn n00bs or go on a 59 kill streak =/
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http://pennstate.scout.com/2/419380.html
this guy runs my self defense school.
he says a shotgun w slugs is the deadliest weapon.
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Cant wait.
Were you involved in MoH 2010 at all?
Love that game.
But then, the more real the game is, the happier I am. No one else I know likes realistic shooters - they all get pissed they cant pwn n00bs or go on a 59 kill streak =/
Sure was... I'm in the credits if you play them... Go down to Studio IT and I'm right there... I handle game build pipeline for the Victory Games Studio and the Danger Close Games studio.
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Sure was... I'm in the credits if you play them... Go down to Studio IT and I'm right there... I handle game build pipeline for the Victory Games Studio and the Danger Close Games studio.
You have a new mega hit coming right?
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You have a new mega hit coming right?
We hope... It looks fantastic and seems to play well... The multiplayer will be 100xs better than the previous, so we hope it's an 8 Million copy seller.
That's what we are shooting for at least.
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We hope... It looks fantastic and seems to play well... The multiplayer will be 100xs better than the previous, so we hope it's an 8 Million copy seller.
That's what we are shooting for at least.
Loved Ghost Fighter.
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:)
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Someone needs to ask President Obama what is the difference between an AK-47 and a semi-auto hunting rifle?
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Someone needs to ask President Obama what is the difference between an AK-47 and a semi-auto hunting rifle?
What about a Remi 870 vs a Remi 1100?
;D ;D ;D
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:)
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1. The shooter did not use an AK 47
2. Our soldiers don't use semi auto AK 47s
3. Soldiers use full auto's correct?
4. Soldiers use M-4 carbines correct?
OBAMA = UNINFORMED MORON
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1. The shooter did not use an AK 47
2. Our soldiers don't use semi auto AK 47s
3. Soldiers use full auto's correct?
4. Soldiers use M-4 carbines correct?
OBAMA = UNINFORMED MORON
I believe he called Bill OReilly for a quick primer on gun dangers before making this speech.
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Obama: AK-47s Belong In The Hands Of Soldiers, Not Civilians (video)
RealClearPolitics ^ | July 25, 2012 | RealClearPolitics
Posted on July 25, 2012 10:08:16 PM EDT by i88schwartz
I, like most Americans, believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms," President Obama said at the National Urban League convention in New Orleans. "I think we recognize the traditions of gun ownership that passed on from generation to generation. That hunting and shooting are a cherished national heritage."
"But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities," Obama said Wednesday night.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...
He's 100% correct...there is no reason I can see for a person to own an AK-47. Its an assault weapon that was built specifically for military applications.
Personally, I think every family should have a handgun and a general hunting rifle in their homes for self defense and hunting. But not something like an Ak-47...its a soldiers weapon.
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He's 100% correct...there is no reason I can see for a person to own an AK-47. Its an assault weapon that was built specifically for military applications.
Personally, I think every family should have a handgun and a general hunting rifle in their homes for self defense and hunting. But not something like an Ak-47...its a soldiers weapon.
You mean like a person would keep in the home as part of a militia if TSHTF?
Or how the colonists kept muskets in their homes, which were exactly what the British army had at the time?
BTW - I can think of a few things i don't think you need either I would like to take away from you. Should we begin?
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We hope... It looks fantastic and seems to play well... The multiplayer will be 100xs better than the previous, so we hope it's an 8 Million copy seller.
That's what we are shooting for at least.
Just played The Line, shooter set in Dubai, very nice and game play was good. A bit more realistic than the last round of shooters that came out. Like when you shoot them twice in the head and they just fall down and get right back up. Or a chest shot with a shotgun only causes them to stumble.
The background setting of the Dubai wasteland was a nice change of pace too.
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You mean like a person would keep in the home as part of a militia if TSHTF?
Or how the colonists kept muskets in their homes, which were exactly what the British army had at the time?
BTW - I can think of a few things i don't think you need either I would like to take away from you. Should we begin?
Winchester repeating rifle and a 9mm should be good and proper. An armed civilian militia should also be established in every community.....all should be given general security training which would take about a week and should only observe and report and not engage any criminals unless their personal life was in danger. It would keep crime down tremondously as they have been shown very effective in the past.
I live in Sylva and I don't have to lock my door whatsoever because most people are armed around here and they are not stupid enough to break into any home.
But Ak-47's...no real need for them.
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1. The shooter did not use an AK 47
2. Our soldiers don't use semi auto AK 47s
3. Soldiers use full auto's correct?
4. Soldiers use M-4 carbines correct?
OBAMA = UNINFORMED MORON
He obviously had a mental defect but obviously we're not going to stop every bad thing from happenning in the world. That's why I say that everyone should own a handgun for self defense as they did in the 1800's....people would think twice before doing shit
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Just played The Line, shooter set in Dubai, very nice and game play was good. A bit more realistic than the last round of shooters that came out. Like when you shoot them twice in the head and they just fall down and get right back up. Or a chest shot with a shotgun only causes them to stumble.
The background setting of the Dubai wasteland was a nice change of pace too.
Heard it was pretty good. Nice story, good pacing and some unsettling decisions you that you have to make.
I think I may order this bitch off of Amazon today.
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Heard it was pretty good. Nice story, good pacing and some unsettling decisions you that you have to make.
I think I may order this bitch off of Amazon today.
Yeah it is. Very compelling storyline and I rank it higher than the last MW release.
My only complaint is that it is a very short game, I think the average game play is like 10 hours. So if you get it used, that is pretty good.
I hear that Homefront II is supposed to be released sooner than expected. The first one was pretty good.
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The Vetting: Obama Has Demagogued Guns, from 2000 to Today
by Charles C. Johnson
26 Jul 2012, 4:59 AM
Via Breitbart
As Barack Obama attacks "AK-47s," while his press secretary promises that Obama respects Second Amendment rights, it is worth recalling Obama's long-running campaign for gun control, dating back more than a decade--a campaign he now seeks to downplay as he heads into a difficult presidential election, because he knows how deeply unpopular it would be.
In 2000, Obama, then a state senator, pushed anti-gun legislation--hard--after a 84-year-old woman had been gunned down by three gang-bangers who thought she had won the lottery.
Obama unveiled his anti-gun plan at a rally near the woman's house. "This home invasion is another example of how violence came close to home and we must have congressional action to help reduce gun deaths. Congress has been slow to act on these issues," he said. Rest assured, once elected to federal office, he would act.
The Chicago Defender, a predominately African-American newspaper, featured Obama's proposal in a December 13, 1999 article. Obama, wrote the paper, has "proposed sweeping federal gun control legislation that would increase the penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms, restrict gun purchases to one weapon a month, increase the licensing fee, and ban the sale of firearms at gun shows." (Chinta Strausberg, "Obama unveils federal gun bill," Chicago Defender, December 13, 1999, pg. 3)
Other Obama proposals were even harsher:
Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.
He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.
He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.
He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park...
Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.
Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition...
Obama's demand for "anger management" sounds eerily similar to an intervention prescribed by Obama's now Attorney General, Eric Holder. In 1995, Holder, then U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, called for a public campaign to "brainwash" young people into hating guns.
Of course, we now know that that desire to change the public discourse around guns was also a possible motive behind Holder's gun-walking scheme in the operation known as Fast & Furious. And while Obama continues to claim executive privilege over the documents that contributed to the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, he continues to demand Romney's utterly irrelevant tax documents from over a decade ago.
Draconian anti-gun laws, meanwhile, certainly haven't made Obama's Chicago safer. Chicago, now run by Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former chief of staff, has had over 250 murders this year, up some 38%.
White House spokesman Jay Carney says: "The president believes that we need to take common-sense measure that protect Second Amendment rights of Americans, while ensuring that those who should not have guns under existing law do not get them." It's clear, though, from his Chicago days, that Obama's view of "common sense" doesn't mesh with what is common or sensible. And while Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) says the time is not ideal to limit gun rights, she never said that time was "never." "Common-sense" reform easily becomes the incremental means by which he curtails rights.
Under the rubric of "common-sense," Obama routinely opposed laws that would have made Chicagoans safer while rewarding criminals. Obama opposed a law, for example, that would have added aggravated battery with a firearm--a common charge in gang drivebys shootings--to a list of crimes that automatically sends teens 15 and older to criminal court. Obama was quoted, along with Bernardine Dohrn, in opposition: “We can’t just write off these kids at 14, 15, and 16,” Obama said, not realizing that gang members might begin recruiting children to do the shooting. (“Legislators divided on ‘get tough’ reforms,” Chicago Sun-Times, Sep. 28, 1997).
Given all of the recent discussion of gun control, it’s worth recalling that the Aurora, Colorado theatre in which last Friday's terrible crime took place was a “gun-free zone.” In 2001, Obama wanted to make all of Illinois a “gun-free zone,” by banning concealed carry in effect freeing gun-toting criminals from the threat of being shot by an armed citizen and increasing the likelihood that they would act with impunity.
Obama even helped defeat a proposal that came one vote shy of allowing Illinois citizens to carry a concealed firearm if a judge had granted them an order of protection. Obama fought to defeat that bill, citing--implausibly--domestic disputes as a reason. He argued that a bill that allowed those who have judge-issued restraining orders would use domestic disputes as “a Trojan Horse for the notion that concealed and carry[sic] is appropriate in our state.” In his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2004, he suggested a federal ban on concealed carry laws.
Similarly, State Sen. Obama backed a proposal that would have forced all sellers of firearms--even someone selling one gun from a private collection--to carry a state license. Such sellers would also have to report to state officials. He also backed allowing expensive lawsuits against gun manufactures when gun violence resulted in injury or death—a subtle means to increase the price of guns and keep them away from those who want them.
Contrary to what Carney says, Obama supported every possible restriction on the Second Amendment, defending such restrictions as “not only constitutional, but eminently reasonable.” (Sean Noble, “Senate Democrats’ Proposals Take Aim At Weapons Control,” State Journal-Register, Feb. 15, 2001)
Obama missed only one major anti-gun vote—not because he opposed the restrictions, but because he was vacationing in Hawaii at the end of 1999.
Well, here’s to praying he lets this crisis go to waste in Colorado--and goes on vacation instead.
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But Ak-47's...no real need for them.
Why? Because you say so? The 2ND Amendment does not specify what type of arm you can or can't have. As a matter of fact the militia would have had the same weapons as the military at the time.
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1. The shooter did not use an AK 47
2. Our soldiers don't use semi auto AK 47s
3. Soldiers use full auto's correct?
4. Soldiers use M-4 carbines correct?
OBAMA = UNINFORMED MORON
Somewhat correct.
The Army uses select fire 3 round burst fire M-4's, the Marine Corp uses select fire 3 round burst fire M-16A4's, and both use SAW's, M240's, and M60's (belt fed machine guns)
Full automatic select fire weapons are usually reserved for Spec Ops groups, although the Army is planning on swapping out all their M4 Carbines for the automatic M4A1's.
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Winchester repeating rifle and a 9mm should be good and proper. An armed civilian militia should also be established in every community.....all should be given general security training which would take about a week and should only observe and report and not engage any criminals unless their personal life was in danger. It would keep crime down tremondously as they have been shown very effective in the past.
I live in Sylva and I don't have to lock my door whatsoever because most people are armed around here and they are not stupid enough to break into any home.
But Ak-47's...no real need for them.
Its just a semi auto hunting rifle with a pistol grip numbnuts, dont be ignorant. I thought you actually had military experience? Because you certainly dont sound like it.
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He's 100% correct...there is no reason I can see for a person to own an AK-47. Its an assault weapon that was built specifically for military applications.
Personally, I think every family should have a handgun and a general hunting rifle in their homes for self defense and hunting. But not something like an Ak-47...its a soldiers weapon.
You are a fucking idiot. Its a semi-automatic 7.62 rifle, with a magazine.
BFD, how is that purpose built for military applications? All modern assault rifles are spin off's of old hunting rifles.
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Obama has said mean things about guns?
Romney has outlawed certain guns from his constituents.
let that sink in.
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Obama has said mean things about guns?
Romney has outlawed certain guns from his constituents.
let that sink in.
Yes, we know, you've only posted it like 10,000,000 times.
Everyone knows, no one cares anymore (about your incessant need to post it)
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Its just a semi auto hunting rifle with a pistol grip numbnuts, dont be ignorant. I thought you actually had military experience? Because you certainly dont sound like it.
An AK-47 can be easily converted to full auto....you won't do that with a Winchester.
And yes I was in the military as well as law enforcement and private security....that's why I have reservations on civilians having access to assault weapons
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Why? Because you say so? The 2ND Amendment does not specify what type of arm you can or can't have. As a matter of fact the militia would have had the same weapons as the military at the time.
The 2nd Amendment was written during a type when muskets were used and you could only fire one or two bullets a minute. Its an out-dated amendment that needs to be ratified for the current times
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Speechless, what other rights should be curtailed.
The 2nd Amendment was written during a type when muskets were used and you could only fire one or two bullets a minute. Its an out-dated amendment that needs to be ratified for the current times
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The 2nd Amendment was written during a type when muskets were used and you could only fire one or two bullets a minute. Its an out-dated amendment that needs to be ratified for the current times
Thats a fully automatic weapon dumbass, not a legal weapon unless he has a class 3.
Yes, you can convert ANY semi-automatic weapon to full automatic if you know what youre doing, whats your point?
You want to ban all semi-automatic weapons?
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Hey vince - ever bump that thread showing how airsoft guns can be converted to real weapons?
:)Thats a fully automatic weapon dumbass, not a legal weapon unless he has a class 3.
Yes, you can convert ANY semi-automatic weapon to full automatic if you know what youre doing, whats your point?
You want to ban all semi-automatic weapons?
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Thats a fully automatic weapon dumbass, not a legal weapon unless he has a class 3.
Yes, you can convert ANY semi-automatic weapon to full automatic if you know what youre doing, whats your point?
You want to ban all semi-automatic weapons?
I'm shocked... Honestly.
I would think that someone who is probably for gay marriage (making sure they have the same rights as everyone else) would be for constitutional rights not be infringed.
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The 2nd Amendment was written during a type when muskets were used and you could only fire one or two bullets a minute. Its an out-dated amendment that needs to be ratified for the current times
Why do you speak for the Framers as if you have any fucking idea as to what they meant?
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Thats a fully automatic weapon dumbass, not a legal weapon unless he has a class 3.
Yes, you can convert ANY semi-automatic weapon to full automatic if you know what youre doing, whats your point?
You want to ban all semi-automatic weapons?
I would like stricter gun control laws to prevents morons like this guy from doing shit like this. Imagine if this guy got pissed over something and just went into a shopping mall with that thing???
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I would like stricter gun control laws to prevents morons like this guy from doing shit like this. Imagine if this guy got pissed over something and just went into a shopping mall with that thing???
Or took the 30 ieds he made in his apartment into the movie theater instead you stupid delusional fuck!
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I would like stricter gun control laws to prevents morons like this guy from doing shit like this. Imagine if this guy got pissed over something and just went into a shopping mall with that thing???
Imagine if you had one to stop him!
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I would like stricter gun control laws to prevents morons like this guy from doing shit like this. Imagine if this guy got pissed over something and just went into a shopping mall with that thing???
With a what? A semi-automatic rifle? Cause thats what he had.
He had an AR as well, not an AK.
You really need to keep your mouth shut when you dont know what youre talking about, which seems to be 99 times out of 100.
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The 2nd Amendment was written during a type when muskets were used and you could only fire one or two bullets a minute. Its an out-dated amendment that needs to be ratified for the current times
Really? It's obvious you have not clue one why the second amendment exists. You fucking people and your stricter guns laws, got news for you, it only applies to people that actually obey the law. Whats the first thing that happens before some sort of "cleansing" occurs? Disarm the population so they can't fight back. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? Whats next after the guns? Free speech? No more illegal search and seizure? Why don't you explain to us how exactly fucking with one right isn't going to lead to the rest of the them being ignored
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Great. Instead of shooting up a shopping mall, he'll blow it up.
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Whats hilarious about the whole thing, is that the AWB only applies to magazine sizes, you can still get an AR, they just tell you that you cant have more than a 10 round magazine.
Who the fuck is going to follow that law anyway?
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Whats hilarious about the whole thing, is that the AWB only applies to magazine sizes, you can still get an AR, they just tell you that you cant have more than a 10 round magazine.
Who the fuck is going to follow that law anyway?
The criminals. Look at Mexico. No gun crime there.
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What I really want to know who is going to be the unlucky bastard that has to go around and try to collect people's guns, you gonna volunteer Vince?
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Or took the 30 ieds he made in his apartment into the movie theater instead you stupid delusional fuck!
The FBI closely monitors the building materials for that, dipshit.
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The FBI closely monitors the building materials for that, dipshit.
*Facepalm*
Clearly they missed it then, cause this guy had his apartment wired to blow.
WTH man, do you ever think before you open your mouth?
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The FBI closely monitors the building materials for that, dipshit.
LMFAO!!!!!
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*Facepalm*
Clearly they missed it then, cause this guy had his apartment wired to blow.
WTH man, do you ever think before you open your mouth?
There's a billion people in the country..you care to take a crack at doing a better job.... ::)
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There's a billion people in the country..you care to take a crack at doing a better job.... ::)
It's less than a third of that... 300 Million < 1 Billion by a lot man... Not disagreeing with your point about there being a lot of people, but a billion is a pretty big number.
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There's a billion people in the country..you care to take a crack at doing a better job.... ::)
Thats not the point you retard, you practically made 333's case for him. You said the FBI closely monitors those things - and he still had his apartment rigged to blow.
Kinda blows your whole "stricter gun control" theory out of the water.
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It's less than a third of that... 300 Million < 1 Billion by a lot man... Not disagreeing with your point about there being a lot of people, but a billion is a pretty big number.
I said the number as a generalization...not as actual. That's why I say that everyone should be armed because if something like this happens, people will have the ability to stop it and with an armed community, people would think twice before doing shit like this. However, my opinion on assault rifles are the same
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I said the number as a generalization...not as actual. That's why I say that everyone should be armed because if something like this happens, people will have the ability to stop it and with an armed community, people would think twice before doing shit like this. However, my opinion on assault rifles are the same
Why because they look scary? And what exactly is an assault rifle?
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Why because they look scary? And what exactly is an assault rifle?
A semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip.
Oh nooeesssss, so evil.
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A semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip.
Oh nooeesssss, so evil.
Interesting, I wonder who came up with the list of essentials. So an M1 is not an assault rifle because no pistol grip or detachable magazine? What about a M1 Carbine, has a mag but no pistol grip....... this is all so confusing ;D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Garandcar.jpg/800px-Garandcar.jpg)
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Interesting, I wonder who came up with the list of essentials. So an M1 is not an assault rifle because no pistol grip or detachable magazine? What about a M1 Carbine, has a mag but no pistol grip....... this is all so confusing ;D
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Garandcar.jpg/800px-Garandcar.jpg)
Correct, lulz.
Oh, the M1 carbine isn't an Assault Rifle because its technically a "pistol caliber" weapon.
But throw a pistol grip and a box magazine on that M1 Garande, and BAM, assault rifle.
Better ban them.
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Correct, lulz.
Oh, the M1 carbine isn't an Assault Rifle because its technically a "pistol caliber" weapon.
But throw a pistol grip and a box magazine on that M1 Garande, and BAM, assault rifle.
Better ban them.
Great rifle, by the way.
.30-06 ammunition but later in its service life it was re-chambered to use 7.62mm. It also had a muzzle velocity close to an M16/M4.
But it's totally not an assault rifle! No pistol grip and it doesn't look scary.
This is why it's bad to have policy discussed by those who have no clue about which they speak.
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Great rifle, by the way.
.30-06 ammunition but later in its service life it was re-chambered to use 7.62mm. It also had a muzzle velocity close to an M16/M4.
But it's totally not an assault rifle! No pistol grip and it doesn't look scary.
This is why it's bad to have policy discussed by those who have no clue about which they speak.
Ha ha ha. You should only see some of the Facebook discussions I am in w regard to the ammo the. Shooter obtained. most anti gun types are so clueless it's not funny. hey keep arguing how didn't the FBI know he had 6000 rounds. LOL!!!