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http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/olympics/still-plenty-of-angles-for-drug-cheating-at-olympics-says-former-steroids-kingpin-645230/ (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/olympics/still-plenty-of-angles-for-drug-cheating-at-olympics-says-former-steroids-kingpin-645230/)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198)
While Balco founder says he won't speculate on if Chinese swimmer is doping, he insists cheaters have pool of resources to enhance performance and pass test.
By Teri Thompson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
August 1, 2012
While the talk in London surrounding the superhuman performances of 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen centered on whether she might be benefitting from futuristic doping methods, one former master of performance enhancement doubts that is the case.
According to BALCO founder Victor Conte, whose Olympic clients included Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and Dwain Chambers, if Ye or anyone else wants to cheat, they don’t have to turn to in vitro genetic manipulation, as U.S. swimming coach John Leonard suggested Ye might have done, or any other form of new-age doping.
RELATED: ANOTHER GOLD - AND WORLD RECORD - FOR SHIWEN IN 200 IM
“You could do all this with old-fashioned blood doping, or EPO,” Conte told the Daily News on Tuesday.
“It’s like taking candy from a baby.”
Conte stresses that he has no idea if Ye is doping but says it would not be difficult for any athlete to pull off an EPO regimen without getting caught.
“If you use EPO by IV injections, like the cyclists do, it clears within about 19 hours,” Conte said of the blood booster that cranks up red blood cell count and increases oxygen transport. “Forget all the new-age doping. This is what they can still do that’s old-school.”
Conte describes a training program in which an athlete uses EPO three times in a week in the “corrective phase” of the first two weeks of a doping cycle.
“Typically, it’s used on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays,” Conte said. “Then during the ‘maintenance phase,’ you use it once a week, typically on Wednesdays. The dosage is about 4,000 IUs per injection. This increases the red blood cell count and enhances oxygen uptake and utilization.”
Conte also described the regimen in a letter to British anti-doping authorities in 2008 when Chambers, his former client, applied for reinstatement following a doping ban for testing positive for banned substances in 2003.
“EPO becomes undetectable within 19 hours after an intravenous injection and 43 hours after a subcutaneous injection,” Conte said. “As you get close to competition, instead of doing a seven-day regimen, you do it every 10 days, or you don’t do it at all during the competition. You would do the corrective phase somewhere in your country before you got to the Olympics and kick up your hematocrit.”
Conte says EPO “delivers more oxygen to muscles and picks up metabolic waste and gets rid of it quicker as well. Every time you take a breath, you’re increasing your oxygen transport.”
What that means, says Conte, is that EPO, which is often associated with endurance events, is equally as effective in training for sprints.
Ye came under suspicion after she swam the last leg of the freestyle in 28.93 seconds, compared with the 29.1 seconds that Ryan Lochte posted in the men’s event minutes earlier, prompting Leonard to call the feat “unbelievable.”
Leonard then compared Ye’s performance to the East German swimmers of the 1970s who were famously exposed as massive dopers.
“It clears so quickly,” Conte says. “It just increases oxygen capacity and gives you a kick at the end.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198#ixzz22H7Ls9fq
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198#ixzz22H7EyUDU
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198#ixzz22H6wnDTI
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victor hugo
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Dam cheating Asians.
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http://www.wellnesstimes.com/health-resources/articles/erythropoietin-epo (http://www.wellnesstimes.com/health-resources/articles/erythropoietin-epo)
Until recently, it has been difficult to detect EPO in the bloodstream or urine of athletes, as the levels do not remain high enough to identify for long. More reliable tests for the illegal usage of EPO by athletes have recently been developed.
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they were saying on the brit news that they are keeping blood and urine samples for 8yrs after the games incase they develop new test or find new substances
was a lot on the news about gene doping and manipulation, i think it will get to a point a few yrs down the line when the testers will have to throw the towel in
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God bless the clean hard working Taiwanese athletes, right MuscleCenter ::) ::)
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they were saying on the brit news that they are keeping blood and urine samples for 8yrs after the games incase they develop new test or find new substances
was a lot on the news about gene doping and manipulation, i think it will get to a point a few yrs down the line when the testers will have to throw the towel in
The Olympics have and always will be a pissing match, excuse the pun.
Now, it's more about political clout- economical, and commerical as well.
The one thing that they can learn from the IFBB, is let the athletes use, don't test for shit, unless it is truly harmful (and this is where the IFBB needs to start implementing).
Let the doors be wide open---let the Olympic freakshow begin. Thus, more records broken, and more research in genetic disorders which will trickle down to the common folk.
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God bless the clean hard working Taiwanese athletes, right MuscleCenter ::) ::)
;D
hours ago I was training under Typhoon Saola(video), which has approached with heavy rain and strong wind.(see pic)
:o
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whos that concentration camp survivor?!!!!!!!!!!!!
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;D
hours ago I was training under Typhoon Saola, which has approached with heavy rain and strong wind.(see pic)
Haha, that was cool fix 8)
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Dam cheating Asians.
Yes, because the Americans, Russians and Germans are all clean ::)
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musclecenter is the most despicable chinese ever
still trying to avoid my question, aren't you?
let's try it again. do you think taiwan team is clean and natural? if they are not, do you think they should be expelled from the Olympic Games as well? attention, two questions, and they both are yes or no question, so your answer should be just yes or no. you fucking stupid chinese!
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musclecenter is the most despicable chinese ever
still trying to avoid my question, aren't you?
let's try it again. do you think taiwan team is clean and natural? if they are not, do you think they should be expelled from the Olympic Games as well? attention, two questions, and they both are yes or no question, so your answer should be just yes or no. you fucking stupid chinese!
If any athlete tested positive or any team play fake game at Olympics, then must be expelled!!
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I agree with Conte. That kick at the end suggests something like EPO more than anything. One of the US dudes brought up "gene doping." That sounds ridiculous honestly. We're just not at that level medically yet. There are far more people in medicine openly working on "gene doping" in humans for true medical conditions like cystic fibrosis, etc. and we're apparently not even close in that arena yet. So I highly doubt there is some small scale project conducted under the table in China where they've been able to accomplish this.
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Yes, because the Americans, Russians and Germans are all clean ::)
Please add all the other Euro, African, caribbean, ME, and Latin countries as well.
I often notice many seem to forget to this...like the Americans, Germans, Russians, and Chinese are the only "dirty" countries.
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(http://www.lukascerveny.com/images/deti/pavol%20jablonicky.jpg)
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(http://www.lukascerveny.com/images/deti/pavol%20jablonicky.jpg)
Women melt from this kinda pic...
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i wish i was that kid
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i wish i was that kid
Haha
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The Olympics have and always will be a pissing match, excuse the pun.
Now, it's more about political clout- economical, and commerical as well.
The one thing that they can learn from the IFBB, is let the athletes use, don't test for shit, unless it is truly harmful (and this is where the IFBB needs to start implementing).
Let the doors be wide open---let the Olympic freakshow begin. Thus, more records broken, and more research in genetic disorders which will trickle down to the common folk.
Why though? What will the IOC gain from that? The general public won't accept it because they think doping up is cheating. Right now athletes are still able to use PED's and pretend they're clean as long as they don't get caught. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.
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i wish i was that kid
LMAO!
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yea , Juiced to the grill ::) ::)
(http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01159/TH30_OLY_STAR_OF_T_1159965e.jpg)
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yea , Juiced to the grill ::) ::)
(http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01159/TH30_OLY_STAR_OF_T_1159965e.jpg)
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(http://marcquswright.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Grillz.jpg)
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http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/sports/sports_blogs_local/balcos-victor-conte-drugs-still-likely-a-part-of-olympics (http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/sports/sports_blogs_local/balcos-victor-conte-drugs-still-likely-a-part-of-olympics)
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http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/olympics/still-plenty-of-angles-for-drug-cheating-at-olympics-says-former-steroids-kingpin-645230/ (http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/olympics/still-plenty-of-angles-for-drug-cheating-at-olympics-says-former-steroids-kingpin-645230/)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198)
While Balco founder says he won't speculate on if Chinese swimmer is doping, he insists cheaters have pool of resources to enhance performance and pass test.
By Teri Thompson / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
August 1, 2012
While the talk in London surrounding the superhuman performances of 16-year-old Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen centered on whether she might be benefitting from futuristic doping methods, one former master of performance enhancement doubts that is the case.
According to BALCO founder Victor Conte, whose Olympic clients included Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and Dwain Chambers, if Ye or anyone else wants to cheat, they don’t have to turn to in vitro genetic manipulation, as U.S. swimming coach John Leonard suggested Ye might have done, or any other form of new-age doping.
RELATED: ANOTHER GOLD - AND WORLD RECORD - FOR SHIWEN IN 200 IM
“You could do all this with old-fashioned blood doping, or EPO,” Conte told the Daily News on Tuesday.
“It’s like taking candy from a baby.”
Conte stresses that he has no idea if Ye is doping but says it would not be difficult for any athlete to pull off an EPO regimen without getting caught.
“If you use EPO by IV injections, like the cyclists do, it clears within about 19 hours,” Conte said of the blood booster that cranks up red blood cell count and increases oxygen transport. “Forget all the new-age doping. This is what they can still do that’s old-school.”
Conte describes a training program in which an athlete uses EPO three times in a week in the “corrective phase” of the first two weeks of a doping cycle.
“Typically, it’s used on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays,” Conte said. “Then during the ‘maintenance phase,’ you use it once a week, typically on Wednesdays. The dosage is about 4,000 IUs per injection. This increases the red blood cell count and enhances oxygen uptake and utilization.”
Conte also described the regimen in a letter to British anti-doping authorities in 2008 when Chambers, his former client, applied for reinstatement following a doping ban for testing positive for banned substances in 2003.
“EPO becomes undetectable within 19 hours after an intravenous injection and 43 hours after a subcutaneous injection,” Conte said. “As you get close to competition, instead of doing a seven-day regimen, you do it every 10 days, or you don’t do it at all during the competition. You would do the corrective phase somewhere in your country before you got to the Olympics and kick up your hematocrit.”
Conte says EPO “delivers more oxygen to muscles and picks up metabolic waste and gets rid of it quicker as well. Every time you take a breath, you’re increasing your oxygen transport.”
What that means, says Conte, is that EPO, which is often associated with endurance events, is equally as effective in training for sprints.
Ye came under suspicion after she swam the last leg of the freestyle in 28.93 seconds, compared with the 29.1 seconds that Ryan Lochte posted in the men’s event minutes earlier, prompting Leonard to call the feat “unbelievable.”
Leonard then compared Ye’s performance to the East German swimmers of the 1970s who were famously exposed as massive dopers.
“It clears so quickly,” Conte says. “It just increases oxygen capacity and gives you a kick at the end.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198#ixzz22H7Ls9fq
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198#ixzz22H7EyUDU
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/olympics-2012/balco-founder-victor-conte-simple-chinese-swimmer-ye-shiwen-doping-kick-article-1.1126198#ixzz22H6wnDTI
What a bunch of Amerikan propagated bull crock.
As if merely being American some how makes one clean by virtue of their holier than thou status preached around the world on a daily basis.
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What a bunch of Amerikan propagated bull crock.
As if merely being American some how makes one clean by virtue of their holier than thou status preached around the world on a daily basis.
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Nobody said that---it doesn't make one clean...I swear some of you guys on here can't read..the man was asked to give his opinion, and the guy is well known in athletic circles for helping Americans cheat, duh.
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Why though? What will the IOC gain from that? The general public won't accept it because they think doping up is cheating. Right now athletes are still able to use PED's and pretend they're clean as long as they don't get caught. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.
As long as the dumb witted public remains blind & stupid, doping is acceptable. That way they can pass their leisure time in sport and cheer on their favorite star athletes. That's the way it has been for 50 years, and will remain that way for the next 100 years.
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Why though? What will the IOC gain from that? The general public won't accept it because they think doping up is cheating. Right now athletes are still able to use PED's and pretend they're clean as long as they don't get caught. Sounds like a win/win situation to me.
Well, the American public needs to realize that it's not cheating if everybody is taking PEDS. The American Media needs to stop with the fairy-tale stories, and let the public in on the reality.
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Yes Victor made good athletes into great athletes. But I'm sorry, I just can't get past the ridiculous, absurd, $10 dye job and the 1930's style idiotic mustache.
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Victor Conte's daughters Alicia and Veronica
http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?39759-Victor-Conte-s-Daughters-Alicia-and-Veronica/page2 (http://forums.rxmuscle.com/showthread.php?39759-Victor-Conte-s-Daughters-Alicia-and-Veronica/page2)