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Romney is telling america he can balance the budget - but he hasn't even run the number yet. WTF? ???????????
"We Haven't Run The Numbers:" A Startling Ryan Admission That's Getting Little Attention
(Media Matters) Last night, newly ensconced Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan sat down for his first solo interview with Fox News' Brit Hume and let slip an admission about Mitt Romney's budget plan -- an admission that's receiving surprisingly little press attention. Asked by Hume when the Romney plan would balance the budget, Ryan said he didn't know because "we haven't run the numbers on that specific plan."
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08/15/we-havent-run-the-numbers-a-startling-ryan-admi/189369
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Romney is telling america he can balance the budget - but he hasn't even run the number yet. WTF? ???????????
"We Haven't Run The Numbers:" A Startling Ryan Admission That's Getting Little Attention
(Media Matters) Last night, newly ensconced Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan sat down for his first solo interview with Fox News' Brit Hume and let slip an admission about Mitt Romney's budget plan -- an admission that's receiving surprisingly little press attention. Asked by Hume when the Romney plan would balance the budget, Ryan said he didn't know because "we haven't run the numbers on that specific plan."http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08/15/we-havent-run-the-numbers-a-startling-ryan-admi/189369
maybe Romney and Ryan should spend the weekend crunching some number because neither of them seems to know what's in the other persons plan and neither of them have much details in their own plans
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maybe Romney and Ryan should spend the weekend crunching some number because neither of them seems to know what's in the other persons plan and neither of them have much details in their own plans
oh, that's right - Romney did say he didn't know the difference earlier this week. now Ryan can't even vouch for the romney plan.
Seems unusual he would be giving speeches and trying to sell a plan he can't even vouch for.
Watch - his next speech will START with "this romney plan will balance the budget!" and it'll be all the evidence that repubs need to believe in it. He was honest in his initial assessment of the bill, he knows the numbers better than most in congress. - that honesty won't happen again ;)
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oh, that's right - Romney did say he didn't know the difference earlier this week. now Ryan can't even vouch for the romney plan.
Seems unusual he would be giving speeches and trying to sell a plan he can't even vouch for.
Watch - his next speech will START with "this romney plan will balance the budget!" and it'll be all the evidence that repubs need to believe in it. He was honest in his initial assessment of the bill, he knows the numbers better than most in congress. - that honesty won't happen again ;)
don't forget - both Romney and Ryan are supposed to be the "#'s guys"
I wonder if Ryan even know how long it will take for his own crazy plan to balance the budget ?
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don't forget - both Romney and Ryan are supposed to be the "#'s guys"
I wonder if Ryan even know how long it will take for his own crazy plan to balance the budget ?
They use their economic prowess to make up for their lack of military/foreign experience.
Methinks they all know the truth - budget will never be balanced. This is all about which portion of american population gets more of the money while we just sustain debt. Ryan/Romney want to give it to rich. Obama wants to give it to poor. Period.
I admit this does look bad - neither of these "numbers guys" knows the numbers. But today they'll reassure voters who will forgive these honest statments.
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They use their economic prowess to make up for their lack of military/foreign experience.
Methinks they all know the truth - budget will never be balanced. This is all about which portion of american population gets more of the money while we just sustain debt. Ryan/Romney want to give it to rich. Obama wants to give it to poor. Period.
I admit this does look bad - neither of these "numbers guys" knows the numbers. But today they'll reassure voters who will forgive these honest statments.
Thank you.
Funny how the debt was never brought up during Bush when he started 2 wars and gave tax breaks for the rich. Then Obama becomes POTUS and all of a sudden the GOP cant stop whining about the debt ::)
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They use their economic prowess to make up for their lack of military/foreign experience.
Methinks they all know the truth - budget will never be balanced. This is all about which portion of american population gets more of the money while we just sustain debt. Ryan/Romney want to give it to rich. Obama wants to give it to poor. Period.
I admit this does look bad - neither of these "numbers guys" knows the numbers. But today they'll reassure voters who will forgive these honest statments.
Dude fuck off, its not now or has it ever been the governments job to re-distribute wealth. In the mean time you just ignore the fact that the current POTUS hasn't had an actual budget in forever. He has no plan to balance the budget only promise "free" shit to people. Increase the size of government and take away the burden of you having to actually think for yourself.
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Dude fuck off, its not now or has it ever been the governments job to re-distribute wealth. In the mean time you just ignore the fact that the current POTUS hasn't had an actual budget in forever. He has no plan to balance the budget only promise "free" shit to people. Increase the size of government and take away the burden of you having to actually think for yourself.
You could argue that taxes is an re-distribution of wealth.
You are talking about the middleages not a modern society
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You could argue that taxes is an re-distribution of wealth.
You are talking about the middleages not a modern society
No taxes are supposed to pay for the things the government is constitutionally mandated to do. Military ......
Middle ages my ass ::)
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No taxes are supposed to pay for the things the government is constitutionally mandated to do. Military ......
Middle ages my ass ::)
Military for protection that is not the army we have now.
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Military for protection that is not the army we have now.
Do you have a point with all this? It's apparent you have never actually read the constitution.
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Do you have a point with all this? It's apparent you have never actually read the constitution.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Doesnt that include health care?:)
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Doesnt that include health care?:)
Why would it include healthcare? "The General Welfare of the United States" as in the country not the individual, there is a reason the 10th Amendment exists
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Why would it include healthcare? "The General Welfare of the United States" as in the country not the individual, there is a reason the 10th Amendment exists
Isnt the country the sum of it citizens?
If the people of the US are healthy doesnt that make the country healthy?
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Isnt the country the sum of it citizens?
If the people of the US are healthy doesnt that make the country healthy?
I really don't know what is so hard to understand about this, the federal governments job is to ensure the security and stability of the United States. The constitution is written that powers not specifically enumerated to the federal government are decided by the individual states. Health care is not and has never been an enumerated power of the federal government.
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I really don't know what is so hard to understand about this, the federal governments job is to ensure the security and stability of the United States. The constitution is written that powers not specifically enumerated to the federal government are decided by the individual states. Health care is not and has never been an enumerated power of the federal government.
Why not?
Isnt the general welfare of the US directly related to the health conditions and knowledge of it citizens?
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Why not?
Isnt the general welfare of the US directly related to the health conditions and knowledge of it citizens?
No it is about the entity "The United States of America"
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No it is about the entity "The United States of America"
Yes but if the citizens of the US is in crap medical condition doesnt that weaken the country big time?
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Yes but if the citizens of the US is in crap medical condition doesnt that weaken the country big time?
Then the states need to deal with that, providing "free" medical care doesn't mean that it's free or good. And it doesn't mean people are going to be healthy. Look at most people, they are fat and out of shape, getting "free" healthcare isn't going to change people's life style. Most of the fat fuckers I see at the grocery store could use a dose of going hungry for a while
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I really don't know what is so hard to understand about this, the federal governments job is to ensure the security and stability of the United States. The constitution is written that powers not specifically enumerated to the federal government are decided by the individual states. Health care is not and has never been an enumerated power of the federal government.
The federal goverment first got involved in healthcare of private citizens in 1798
These were privately owned vessels with private employees and the goverment required payment each month for the purpose of providing medical care for sick and injured seaman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_for_the_relief_of_sick_and_disabled_seamen
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The federal goverment first got involved in healthcare of private citizens in 1798
These were privately owned vessels with private employees and the goverment required payment each month for the purpose of providing medical care for sick and injured seaman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Act_for_the_relief_of_sick_and_disabled_seamen
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/does-that-1798-act-make-obamacare-constitutional/ (http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/does-that-1798-act-make-obamacare-constitutional/)
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I don't even know how anyone can argue Obamacare's constitutionality... It's already been deemed so.
It's a shit policy... I agree that Single Payer option would have been much better, but it's certainly constitutional... The Judicial branch of our government says so.
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http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/does-that-1798-act-make-obamacare-constitutional/ (http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/does-that-1798-act-make-obamacare-constitutional/)
I wonder what the professor thinks about the SC decision upholding the healthcare legislation
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I wonder what the professor thinks about the SC decision upholding the healthcare legislation
Don't know, but it is only upheld because they defined the mandate a tax. Now if the government can tax inactivity we are truly fucked. Also if I was Romney/Ryan I would be screaming it from the roof tops.
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Presented with letters, Ryan admits requesting stimulus funds
After repeated denials, Paul Ryan has admitted he requested stimulus cash even after sharply criticizing the program.
Ryan had denied doing so as recently as Wednesday, when he spoke to ABC’s Cincinnati affiliate, WCPO, in Ohio.
“I never asked for stimulus,” Ryan said. “I don’t recall… so I really can’t comment on it. I opposed the stimulus because it doesn’t work, it didn’t work.”
Two years ago, during an interview on WBZ’s NewsRadio he was asked by a caller if he “accepted any money” into his district. Ryan said he did not.
“I’m not one people who votes for something then writes to the government to ask them to send us money. I did not request any stimulus money,” the congressman answered.
But as we’ve now learned, Ryan did write letters. He did request stimulus funds.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/presented-with-letters-ryan-admits-requesting-stimulus-cash/
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Article links to pdf with four letters from Paul Ryan to Steven Chu begging for government money
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LOL so he was supposed to refuse stimulus funds and then require his constituents to pay for the funds they refused?
weve been over this cracker jack, the fed govt would still require that the constituents still repay the stimulus money refused.
Also just b/c they havent run the numbers doesnt mean they wont balance the budget.
Balancing the budget is a goal, if their current plan doesnt meet that goal they should change it.
I dont really see the issue there, as long as they continue to try to work towards that end that is.
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LOL so he was supposed to refuse stimulus funds and then require his constituents to pay for the funds they refused?
weve been over this cracker jack, the fed govt would still require that the constituents still repay the stimulus money refused.
Also just b/c they havent run the numbers doesnt mean they wont balance the budget.
Balancing the budget is a goal, if their current plan doesnt meet that goal they should change it.
I dont really see the issue there, as long as they continue to try to work towards that end that is.
Did Paul ryan REQUEST stim funds, tony?
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Did Paul ryan REQUEST stim funds, tony?
didn't you see those letters where Obama begged Ryan to take the money
where he actually said it would stimulate the econony and create jobs
I think he even said "green jobs"
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WOW - maddow showing Ryan telling cameras this still WILL NOT WORK.
A year later, he goes on the radio in Mass... Ryan says I did not request any stimulus money", word for word. This was a lie
WSJ revealed his hypocrisy at the time. it blew over because he was just another congressman from Wisc.
NOW, AP and boston globe have revealed Ryan requested stim $ while denying it. Not a huge deal, he's playing politics, and that kind of hypocrisy is undertandable.
However, lying about it to the entire country TODAY about it - I dont like that. Ryan denied it TODAY. "I dont recall...."
Ryan is one of the smartest guys on the Hill.
They showed all the letters Ryan had written to dept of labor, dept of energy twice, asking them for stimulus money. He signed them. Doesn't remember - I dont think he's being honest there.
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Late tonight - new paul ryan Press release.
"After having the letters brought to my request....I checked into them. I didn't recall them earlier."
PROPS to Paul Ryan for telling the truth on this finally!!!! Good man.
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Late tonight - new paul ryan Press release.
"After having the letters brought to my request....I checked into them. I didn't recall them earlier."
PROPS to Paul Ryan for telling the truth on this finally!!!! Good man.
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Do you believe Paul Ryan that he "forgot"? He didn't recall them?
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33,
Do you believe Paul Ryan that he "forgot"? He didn't recall them?
Ryan is a rich kid who has absolutely no problem lying when it serves his purpose
do you believe he worshiped Ayn Rand for most of his teenage years and adult life only to discover this year that she's an atheist and go on record with the following statement: "It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview.”
How could he worshp her all these years and yet be unaware of the basic tenets of her belief system?
I'm sure he loves Any Rand just as much today as he did last year and 10 years ago. What he discovered is that her philosophy of greed is repulsive to the majority of Americans so he had to publicy reject her. It's purely in his rational self interest to do so and I'm sure Any Rand would approve of that motivation
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LOL - funny you want to hold Ryan to a different standard than the ghetto communist marxist street agitator in the WH
Ryan is a rich kid who has absolutely no problem lying when it serves his purpose
do you believe he worshiped Ayn Rand for most of his teenage years and adult life only to discover this year that she's an atheist and go on record with the following statement: "It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview.”
How could he worshp her all these years and yet be unaware of the basic tenets of her belief system?
I'm sure he loves Any Rand just as much today as he did last year and 10 years ago. What he discovered is that her philosophy of greed is repulsive to the majority of Americans so he had to publicy reject her. It's purely in his rational self interest to do so and I'm sure Any Rand would approve of that motivation
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LOL - funny you want to hold Ryan to a different standard than the ghetto communist marxist street agitator in the WH
33,
Do you believe Ryan "didn't recall" the answer to a Q he's been asked for 3 straight days, as the media showed proof of his lie 24/7?
Do you believe he's that out of touch? Or just telling a little lie here?
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Did Paul ryan REQUEST stim funds, tony?
If he had refused, would his constituents still be responsible for paying the money back?
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If he had refused, would his constituents still be responsible for paying the money back?
I don't see what the 2 have to do with each other... Either you have the principal that the stimulus is wrong, or you do not.
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I don't see what the 2 have to do with each other... Either you have the principal that the stimulus is wrong, or you do not.
The stimulus was a trap, if you voted for it your an ass, if you vote against it but take the money your an ass. The American people are footing the bill, they may as well get some of it
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The stimulus was a trap, if you voted for it your an ass, if you vote against it but take the money your an ass. The American people are footing the bill, they may as well get some of it
Maybe so, but I dislike shit all of the time and I don't go "take it" just because I have to pay for it.
I have NEVER used unemployment and I pay for that shit in my paycheck every week don't I?
I would work a drive though burger place before I did that... Because I have pride.
So I just don't see what that has to do with anything. You have values or you don't.
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Maybe so, but I dislike shit all of the time and I don't go "take it" just because I have to pay for it.
I have NEVER used unemployment and I pay for that shit in my paycheck every week don't I?
I would work a drive though burger place before I did that... Because I have pride.
So I just don't see what that has to do with anything. You have values or you don't.
Agreed
But he does have to answer to those that elected him, if they want it then he has to take it. I have no proof one way or the other, but like most politicians my guess would be take the money to buy votes
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Maybe so, but I dislike shit all of the time and I don't go "take it" just because I have to pay for it.
I have NEVER used unemployment and I pay for that shit in my paycheck every week don't I?
I would work a drive though burger place before I did that... Because I have pride.
So I just don't see what that has to do with anything. You have values or you don't.
Its a little different when your talking other ppls money Tu.
I agree with you on individual principles, I dont see how anybody with your ethics could have ever voted for obama but thats neither here nor there.
Ryan was supposed to deny his constituents funds that they would still have to pay back?
how do you think that would go over in a re-election campaign?
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If he had refused, would his constituents still be responsible for paying the money back?
I wouldnt have cared if he had said "I requested the $ - it belonged to these damn people already. obama took it. I had to return some of it to the people".
Once the toothpaste is out of the tube (which obama did), you make the best of it.
LYING about it - that's just a punk move. Dont do that paul ryan - youre better than that. People like you because you are viewed as different from obama and romney. dont act like them and make these easily provable lies.
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I wouldnt have cared if he had said "I requested the $ - it belonged to these damn people already. obama took it. I had to return some of it to the people".
Once the toothpaste is out of the tube (which obama did), you make the best of it.
LYING about it - that's just a punk move. Dont do that paul ryan - youre better than that. People like you because you are viewed as different from obama and romney. dont act like them and make these easily provable lies.
No. He's not any better than that
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Its a little different when your talking other ppls money Tu.
I agree with you on individual principles, I dont see how anybody with your ethics could have ever voted for obama but thats neither here nor there.
Ryan was supposed to deny his constituents funds that they would still have to pay back?
how do you think that would go over in a re-election campaign?
I didn't vote "for Obama"... I vote "against" McCain and the Bush policies he would have continued.... Little did I know that Obama would do the exact same thing. Fooled me once...
This is also why I warn 333332384723746287364 against voting anyone BUT Obama, because you never know how that shit is going to turn out.
Also, I am for a hand UP, NOT a hand OUT... I am all for helping people better themselves and society SHOULD assist in that... BUT, I do not believe in giving people FREE anything... You should earn it. Whether it's education, so you can return the favor and get a better career/business and in turn repay that into the society through taxes/charities/what have you, or if it's something like WIC where society keeps kids from starving and the premise that the parents will make THEM productive members of society who will then contribute positively.
The welfare LEECHES and the people who have no desire to BETTER themselves or their families and instead are more than content to have someone pay for their lives forever... Those are the people I do not respect and dislike.
As I said, a hand UP, not a HAND OUT.
None the less... back to the topic at hand.
Yes... Ryan should have, on an individual basis, sat down with his constituency and said... look... I get that this money is going to have to be "paid back" and right now, you're on the hook for it like every other US citizen, but let's keep OUR integrity. Let's us, as a group, tell Obama that we do not NEED his help.
Also, he could have gone back later and said, you know what... We didn't take that stimulus money and we DO NOT have to pay for it... Would it work? Maybe not... BUT he would have that argument and it would have been valid.
Now he can't say anything and it makes him look bad and even if he really didn't want the money, he can't say he didn't support it in some way with any form of integrity.
That's just my opinion though.
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Agreed
But he does have to answer to those that elected him, if they want it then he has to take it. I have no proof one way or the other, but like most politicians my guess would be take the money to buy votes
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