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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Carmello on November 15, 2005, 10:10:53 PM
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Ok kids. I'm going to list the exercises that do nothing for me, or are dangerous. Also what i feel when i do them. I'm a big critic on form, so i know I'm doing everything correctly. Also keep in mind I'm 6'2'' so maybe some exercises just aren't made for taller structures. Add to the list, or articulate on it.
1. DB pullovers: No effect whatsoever! Sometimes my tri's actually get sore as all hell!
2. Close grip bench presses: Excellent way to f**k up your shoulder joints, and wrists.
3. Behind the neck military presses: If I had 10 dollars for everyone i know who blew out a disk, or injured their spinal column...
4. Behind the neck pulldowns: The body is just not meant for certain angles. This B disk blower #2 matey.
5. Upright rows: No matter the grip, I feel this is the single most overrated for nothing exercise ever!
6. sternum pulldowns: Hurts my shoulder joints everytime!
I think that's pretty much it. I'll post whatever else comes to mind, but these make the top list! I'll never do them again. NEVER!!!
ROOOAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!
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Oh yeah i forgot. ALL AB MACHINES!! THEY DO NOTHING!!! Just man, or bitch up, and do oldschool ab excersises! They're the king!
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Ok kids. I'm going to list the excersises that do nothing for me, or are dangerous. Also what i feel when i do them. I'm a big critic on form, so i know i'm doing everything correctly. Also keep in mind I'm 6'2'' so maybe some excersises just aren't made for taller structures. Add to the list, or articulate on it.
1. DB pullovers: No effect whatsoever! Sometimes my tri's actually get sore as all hell!
2. Close grip bench presses: Excelent way to f**k up your shoulder joints, and wrists.
3. Behind the neck millitary presses: If I had 10 dollars for everyone i know who blew out a disk, or injured their spinal column...
4. Behind the neck pulldowns: The body is just not meant for certain angles. This B disk blower #2 matey.
5. Upright rows: No matter the grip, I feel this is the single most overrated for nothing excersise ever!
6. sternum pulldowns: Hurts my shoulder joints everytime!
I think that's pretty much it. I'll post whatever else comes to mind, but these make the top list! I'll never do them again. NEVER!!!
ROOOAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!
Is this for real?
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Yes, I'm dead serious. I don't start joke training topics.
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Squats are the worse exercise for your body as far as undue stress on your spine. Your body is not made to have heavy weight put atop your shoulders and then go down with while bending at all. The even slightest bend is bad. No matter what you will bend at some point at sometime. The weight compresses your discs. Even deads are bad. I'm talking strictly bad for your body and joints. Not the results you get from them
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Squats are the worse exercise for your body as far as undue stress on your spine. Your body is not made to have heavy weight put atop your shoulders and then go down with while bending at all. The even slightest bend is bad. No matter what you will bend at some point at sometime. The weight compresses your discs. Even deads are bad. I'm talking strictly bad for your body and joints. Not the results you get from them
Sure thing but I think the body adapts to that kind of stress. Obviously it's rediculous to start heavy for the biggest of exercises.
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some of those mentioned usually gets into threads like this, havent heard anything bad about close grip benches before though
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I suggest that whatever the hell fucked up my rotator cuff- i suspect it was a slippage of form during my last heavy set of clean and presses.
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some of those mentioned usually gets into threads like this, havent heard anything bad about close grip benches before though
I always hurt my wrists on this exercise, and last time i did cgbp i hurt my shoulder, and couldn't train for 2 weeks. I couldn't raise my left arm up sideways. Thank God it fully healed. I hate CGPB! I never Liked them!
I think the best triceps mass makers are weighted dips, db french presses, and skull crushers. I like to pump 'em up with cable rope push downs, or "V" bar pushdowns. I don't like kick backs, but I'll probably do 'em when i get more mass, for fine tuning.
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the only one I agree with is Upright Rows..This exefcise should never be done, even if u think(or feel) its not doing anything to your RC's.
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Ok kids. I'm going to list the exercises that do nothing for me, or are dangerous. Also what i feel when i do them. I'm a big critic on form, so i know I'm doing everything correctly. Also keep in mind I'm 6'2'' so maybe some exercises just aren't made for taller structures. Add to the list, or articulate on it.
1. DB pullovers: No effect whatsoever! Sometimes my tri's actually get sore as all hell!
2. Close grip bench presses: Excellent way to f**k up your shoulder joints, and wrists.
3. Behind the neck military presses: If I had 10 dollars for everyone i know who blew out a disk, or injured their spinal column...
4. Behind the neck pulldowns: The body is just not meant for certain angles. This B disk blower #2 matey.
5. Upright rows: No matter the grip, I feel this is the single most overrated for nothing exercise ever!
6. sternum pulldowns: Hurts my shoulder joints everytime!
I think that's pretty much it. I'll post whatever else comes to mind, but these make the top list! I'll never do them again. NEVER!!!
ROOOAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!
Close grip bench are one of the best exercises for tris
And upright rows are also one of the best exercises for shoulders, you are missing out on a couple really good movements. IMO.
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Squats are the worse exercise for your body as far as undue stress on your spine. Your body is not made to have heavy weight put atop your shoulders and then go down with while bending at all. The even slightest bend is bad. No matter what you will bend at some point at sometime. The weight compresses your discs. Even deads are bad. I'm talking strictly bad for your body and joints. Not the results you get from them
The body wasn't made for any sort of heavy lifting then.
In my opinion, the benifits are far greater than the risks when it comes to squats and deads. Those are 2 exercises that are a must.
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Ok kids. I'm going to list the exercises that do nothing for me, or are dangerous. Also what i feel when i do them. I'm a big critic on form, so i know I'm doing everything correctly. Also keep in mind I'm 6'2'' so maybe some exercises just aren't made for taller structures. Add to the list, or articulate on it.
1. DB pullovers: No effect whatsoever! Sometimes my tri's actually get sore as all hell!
2. Close grip bench presses: Excellent way to f**k up your shoulder joints, and wrists.
3. Behind the neck military presses: If I had 10 dollars for everyone i know who blew out a disk, or injured their spinal column...
4. Behind the neck pulldowns: The body is just not meant for certain angles. This B disk blower #2 matey.
5. Upright rows: No matter the grip, I feel this is the single most overrated for nothing exercise ever!
6. sternum pulldowns: Hurts my shoulder joints everytime!
I think that's pretty much it. I'll post whatever else comes to mind, but these make the top list! I'll never do them again. NEVER!!!
ROOOAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!
this is true...IF you don't know what you are doing.
blowing disks doing a behind the neck pull down? huh?
i've done every exercise on the list besides the sternum pulldowns and i completely disagree with you.
how long have you been training? do you max out on every exercise or something?
close grip bench can hurt your wrists/shoulders if you use bad form or too much weight too soon, same with upright rows. some exercises need to be performed with more caution than others. the only exercises that have ever hurt my shoulders is BB military press to the front and hammer strength decline machines.
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I suggest that whatever the hell fucked up my rotator cuff- i suspect it was a slippage of form during my last heavy set of clean and presses.
i just noticed, i can say fucked but not fuck on here? hmmm........
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CGBP kills my wrist. i hate'em.... a GOOD alternative for CGBP's in my opinion is simply doing BP's with an inside palm grip.
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if your wrist hurts. then maybe your going to close of a crip
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I don't like close grip benches either. Regular benches are good enough.
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no wonder your tris are small and sore, you never did cgbp
the best tri exercise bar none
you truly are the retard i envisioned you to be
congrats
I have no trouble getting them to grow with the alternative exercises I've listed above asshole. FYI, I'm getting progressively stronger, and larger doing what I'm doing. If you're short, that's not my problem, don't take it out on me. I'm simply making an argument on longer, different structured people like myself. I've never heard someone like Gunter, or Arnold do CGBP, and they're triceps were great. For that matter, I never read them doing a couple of exercises on my list.
Like I said b 4, post something helpful u fukin poser. I know u hate being small, so u gotta pose yourself as someone u wish u were. Bottom line; what's good for the Dragon (me) isn't always good for the penguin (You.Fag bag).
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arnold and gunter both had/has shitty tris
btw, im 6'2
you are an idiot who has no idea about training or nutrition
post not on here again
Your mother had shitty triceps too, but u don't see everyone posting that here now do u? ;D Besides, Arnold didn't need them to win 7 O's, and Gunter's tri's are better than the current Mr.O.
Thank you!
When u start posting knowledgeable comments, or something openly debatable then you're little insults might mean something. You're 6'2'' away from 10 feet penguin.
loler= OWNED!!!
-Goodnight!
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Arnold had ok triceps, but gunther?
come on, man. It is stupid to say they had shitty triceps because they didnt do cgbp though..At the pro level it is pretty much a matter of genetics(for example Markus ruhl).
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Cardio should be banned indefinitely to the Bog of Eternal Stench.
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Use a ezcurl bar for closegrip benches. Db pullovers are an excellent exercise for ribcage expansion and lat , upper pec , serattus developement. Learn proper bio-mechanics and most exercises can be done successfully for years to come.
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you are probably doing DB pull overs wrong or using too much weight.
CGDP go a little wider on your grip, i used to have the same problem as well. you can also use the camered bar. as far as it being the best i don't know. i think weighted dips are better personally.
up right rows are great results wise but they kill my shoulders so i stay away from them, and they are supposed to be hell on yout rotator cuffs
i never do anything behind the back but i think that is also supposed to bad for your rotator cuffs
arnold had good looking tris but they seriously lacked size gunter's sucks, he may have a beterr looking outer head than ronnie but beleive ronnie kills him in overall size.
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you are probably doing DB pull overs wrong or using too much weight.
CGDP go a little wider on your grip, i used to have the same problem as well. you can also use the camered bar. as far as it being the best i don't know. i think weighted dips are better personally.
up right rows are great results wise but they kill my shoulders so i stay away from them, and they are supposed to be hell on yout rotator cuffs
i never do anything behind the back but i think that is also supposed to bad for your rotator cuffs
arnold had good looking tris but they seriously lacked size gunter's sucks, he may have a beterr looking outer head than ronnie but beleive ronnie kills him in overall size.
Very good, very good. You're right on most of your points. I still won't do cgbp. Ronnie had an invisible triceps arguably, but Ronnie will never beat the smile though!
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Arnold had ok triceps, but gunther?
come on, man. It is stupid to say they had shitty triceps because they didnt do cgbp though..At the pro level it is pretty much a matter of genetics(for example Markus ruhl).
Very true.
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CGBP is bad for your shoulder joint if you go all the way down, if not it's the best tris mass builder.
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if you get problems with the wrist you probably use a too narrow grip. the difference between a regular bench and a close grip isnt that big actually.
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Elbow's tucked in by your ribs, or flared outward like a chest bench? I've seen people do both. Personally, my grip was closer than shoulder width, elbows out, and I'd go down almost to chest. Messed up my shoulder pretty bad. Critique.
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Elbow's tucked in by your ribs, or flared outward like a chest bench? I've seen people do both. Personally, my grip was closer than shoulder width, elbows out, and I'd go down almost to chest. Messed up my shoulder pretty bad. Critique.
your form was bad. critique done. it'd be better to do a comfortably wider grip and keep your elbows tucked into your side. the problems with the shoulder arise when you wrench them by putting them at unusual angles and then loading them with a lot of weight and moving in a reasonably unnatural plane of motion. I think CG bench, Dips, Some sort of French Press, and some sort of pressdown complete the perfect triceps routine.
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For many, Close grip BP aren't that effective AND are harsh on the joints, just as benches shouldn't be done at all by some. Definitely use an E-Z curl bar to take the stress off the wrists.
More intense with no shoulder stress for the same areas IMO are bench dips.
Best for tris is one of each:
-2-handed extensions-lying or seated-these are the best size builders.
-Dips/bench dips or close-grip military press partials.
Gunter loves training tris, his fave's incline extensions. Problem is both genetics and chronic elbow probs, but he trains through the pain because he likes extensions the best.
DB pullovers work well for lats if done heavily after warming up.
Squats are the best thigh developer-to avoid injury warm up thoroughly and keep the reps in the 10-15 range; you'll get plenty of size without the joint and back problems that can happen with lower reps. Consider also doing box squats to about the halfway point instead of full squats-i got better results with less problems with these.
Deads i wouldn't recommend but if you have to do them, same thing-very good warmup, maybe do another lower back exercise first to pre-exhaust, then keep the reps in the 10-15 range.
Upright rows are great IF the elbows are always brought up high. Again use an E-Z bar to reduce wrist strain.
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Elbow's tucked in by your ribs, or flared outward like a chest bench? I've seen people do both. Personally, my grip was closer than shoulder width, elbows out, and I'd go down almost to chest. Messed up my shoulder pretty bad. Critique.
about shoulder width
elbows closer to the body (like with dips)
when you come down go lower on the chest, like the nipple area instead of the upper chest
don't go all the way down, go till you feel your tris the most
grips too close are bad for the wrists
elbows too far out is bad for the elbow joints
to far up on the chest puts too much stress on your front delts and roator cuffs
all ways if you don't feel comfortable don't do them because oyur probably doing them wrong. dips are a good mass builder for your tri as well. in most of my friends who work out the ones who do dips in general have thicker tris. take it for what its worth, peace, \m/.
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Ok kids. I'm going to list the exercises that do nothing for me
1. DB pullovers: No effect whatsoever! Sometimes my tri's actually get sore as all hell!
2. Close grip bench presses: Excellent way to f**k up your shoulder joints, and wrists.
3. Behind the neck military presses: If I had 10 dollars for everyone i know who blew out a disk, or injured their spinal column...
4. Behind the neck pulldowns: The body is just not meant for certain angles. This B disk blower #2 matey.
5. Upright rows: No matter the grip, I feel this is the single most overrated for nothing exercise ever!
6. sternum pulldowns: Hurts my shoulder joints everytime!
Funny, I'm with you on all 'em, but let's get 10:
7. Tricep Kickback
8. Decline _______
9. Leg Press
10. Anything "Core"
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... and big ol' Chuck E. Cheese bouncy ball activities, across the board.
Seriously, who started this shit?
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Funny, I'm with you on all 'em, but let's get 10:
7. Tricep Kickback
8. Decline _______
9. Leg Press
10. Anything "Core"
Although I feel the triceps extention working good in the top of the tri's, I feel it's more of a shaping exercise than a mass builder. I see everyone do 'em though. I hate when others see me lift, and they want to do the same weight as me, especially on back day, because for some reason, that's the only body part that looks like i train it hardcore like a bodybuilder, and also is my strongest body part. But getting back to what i was saying, they think, "HOLY SHIT! I can't believe this guy is so thin, and he's pushing this weight with proper form! I gotta do that weight right now!" Then they try it, and their face turns bright red. I don't know if it's the effort, or the frustration, but I just laugh and walk away. I'm gonna start a new post, and in it I want everyone to post the actual weight they use to train with. NOT 1 REP MAX! I'm talkin' weight for reps, and how many.
Btw, I hated leg presses as well, until I moved my feet closer together. I saw a picture in FLEX of Jay Cutler doing them with his feet close, like waist width apart, and since then, i switched to the same footing, instead of shoulder width apart, and have been seeing, and feeling great results!
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YES!!!! I forgot seated one arm triceps db extentions. I hate those joints! I'd rather do seated 2 arm triceps db french presses. I used to do these with a cambered bar, like Ronnie does them, and I loved 'em, but it put way too much stress on my wrists, and I always had a pain. So I switched to just a heavy dumbell.
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I think that an exercise can be productive, it just depends on the person performing it.
With that said, one factor that has not been presented is that most bodybuilders, and people in general, have small bone structures.
From the sounds of it, a good majority of the members posting in this thread experience pain or discomfort from the exercises I find most useful:
heavy squats
heavy deadlifts
close-grip bench presses (or alternatively heavy board presses)
good mornings
etc.
The reason: bone structure/body composition.
My lifting partner from high school (who is still a powerlifter), complains at times of the stresses some of you have. I never do (not because I have a higher tolerance for pain or more machismo), because I have a heavier bone structure [especially in respect to my ankles (which sucks because my calves never look big!)].
A good example is that when I used to compete and use a Westside template, I would routinely do various types of good mornings with anywhere from 315-405 for 1-5 reps @a bodyweight of ~200 lbs, and never had joint problems. Other guys that were 198s would at times complain of the havoc imposed on their joints, and they were always stocky with more muscle and bodyfat than me, eating probably double the amount of calories I did daily (being 198 @6' 2'' is not easy).
So, my 2 cents is that any exercise can work, just depends on your body, and that everyone needs to find what works for them.
I believe the key is to find what works for you own body, and go with that.
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A good example is that when I used to compete and use a Westside template, I would routinely do various types of good mornings with anywhere from 315-405 for 1-5 reps @a bodyweight of ~200 lbs, and never had joint problems.
No way anyone does 405 good mornings haha! There...I have given you the attention your mother never did. ;D
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No way anyone does 405 good mornings haha! There...I have given you the attention your mother never did. ;D
I believe you neglected to read that I was 1-5 reps. I have at times done 405 for 3 reps on various forms of good mornings. If you have a 500+ lbs. deadlift, you should be able to get a couple good reps with 405 doing GM's.
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hahahahahahahaha.
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There are indeed many forms of GM'ings, one being sitting on a bench and coming close to or touching the chest each rep to the bench. A 400lb GM (or a lot more) is not out of the question, though some styles look like a half bent over squat's. The more a heavy weight is used the more the body is forced to extreme positions of balance. I've done in the 320-330 range for 10-15 reps or so but than find that with anymore weight it defeats the purpose of working the lower back truely and becomes a case of keeping balance. Some guy's will put one foot ahead of another slighty to help with the weight load/balance. Personal view is that GM'ing, like no other movement, can help your squat & DL greatly .Also be sure to work the abs as hard as you work on the GM'ings. Good Luck.
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There are indeed many forms of GM'ings, one being sitting on a bench and coming close to or touching the chest each rep to the bench. A 400lb GM (or a lot more) is not out of the question, though some styles look like a half bent over squat's. The more a heavy weight is used the more the body is forced to extreme positions of balance. I've done in the 320-330 range for 10-15 reps or so but than find that with anymore weight it defeats the purpose of working the lower back truely and becomes a case of keeping balance. Some guy's will put one foot ahead of another slighty to help with the weight load/balance. Personal view is that GM'ing, like no other movement, can help your squat & DL greatly .Also be sure to work the abs as hard as you work on the GM'ings. Good Luck.
you must be huge! i'm not being sarcastic, i'm not what you'd call small, and not what you'd call huge.....but i only do 135-150 for my good mornings!
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What in God's name are good mornings? Please explain this exercise as I thought it was extinct. I've heard of old timers doing these in the 70's, but never knew what they were.
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good mornings; position yourself with a barbell as if you were to do squats and then keep your back straight/slightly arched as you bend forward at the hip. like you were to take a bow for Her Majesty!
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Inzer wrist wraps wrapped up tight will prevent any wrist injury while lifting.
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YEAH!!! Hang cleans kill my traps big time!
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I think all sorts of Cardio exercises are bad!! It's just too hard on my lungs, and I cant breath and talk very well when I'm on those devil machines!! ;D LOL
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I think all sorts of Cardio exercises are bad!! It's just too hard on my lungs, and I cant breath and talk very well when I'm on those devil machines!! ;D LOL
U FAG! Waaaa waaaaa! I can't do cardio. I bet u hate squats and deadlifts cause it involves your legs too. Just bury your head in the sand, and die. Better yet, trade in your cock n balls right now u shame of a man!
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U FAG! Waaaa waaaaa! I can't do cardio. I bet u hate squats and deadlifts cause it involves your legs too. Just bury your head in the sand, and die. Better yet, trade in your cock n balls right now u shame of a man!
What are you 8 yrs old like my son? Do you know what sarcasm is? Do you purposely try to degrade people you don't know on line? Good luck in all your endeavours.
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Hey Carmello,
I'm not sure if someone else has mentioned this, but don't go all the way down and lett the bar touch your chest when doing CGBP, stop about 2 inches above your chest... and as mentioned earlier, widen your grip.
My top 2 most hated:
1. Behinf the neck military press
2. Upright rows
R.
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I have no trouble getting them to grow with the alternative exercises I've listed above asshole. FYI, I'm getting progressively stronger, and larger doing what I'm doing. If you're short, that's not my problem, don't take it out on me. I'm simply making an argument on longer, different structured people like myself. I've never heard someone like Gunter, or Arnold do CGBP, and they're triceps were great. For that matter, I never read them doing a couple of exercises on my list.
Carmello, you are way off on Arnold. His early years of training, he basically only did 4 different arm exercises. Barbell cheat curls and incline dumbell curls for biceps. And close grip bench press and seated french press for triceps. I am sure he experimented with some others from time to time, but basically until he came to America, these 4 exercises were all he did for arms. And they enabled him to build over 20" muscular arms. Well those 4 exercises and a lot of d-ball.
But they were a mainstay of Arnold's first 5 or 6 years of training. Like everyone else said, don't go to narrow. I go less than shoulder length, but still have about a foot between my hands. I used to see people do these with about 6 " spacing of the hands back in the 80's, and that with heavy weights, will surely cause wrist pain.
And keep your elbows in to emphasize your tri's, while also lowering the bar to just below the chest. Now I do go all the way down, and let my hands and the bar touch my ribcage, but everyone else said stop a few inches short. Try what they say, and hopefully you won't have pain. I remember you saying in another thread that your bench press is weaker than you would like. Since you haven't been doing close grips lately, if you do them consistently, you should be able to increase the weight. Since it's like a new exercise again, you're not at a plataeu, and hopefully you can make a significant increase in close grip strength. Which will in turn, increase you regular bench press strength, at least a little. good luck!
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Thanks Robbie, and Flex. I think I will try it again this week, and I won't go as heavy as last time, with a tweak in form as you've suggested. I think it's impossible to tuck my elbows in toward my body while doing this exercise. I have to keep them tucked out. Is it still worth doing? Maybe I'm not made for this exercise. :(
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Thanks Robbie, and Flex. I think I will try it again this week, and I won't go as heavy as last time, with a tweak in form as you've suggested. I think it's impossible to tuck my elbows in toward my body while doing this exercise. I have to keep them tucked out. Is it still worth doing? Maybe I'm not made for this exercise. :(
They don't have to be tucked completely in, just not out like a regular bench, which would help emphasixe the chest, and minmize the triceps. the fact that you bring the bar down to below your chest should make it natural to not flair them out.
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They don't have to be tucked completely in, just not out like a regular bench, which would help emphasixe the chest, and minmize the triceps. the fact that you bring the bar down to below your chest should make it natural to not flair them out.
Cool! Got it. I'll do 'em this week.
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Any exercise that hurts your joints is something that you shouldn't do. I have always heard horror stories of press behind the necks on rotator cuff injuries. I have been using them for 30 years without an injury. Are they bad for some guys. Hell yes. I don't have a problem with them. I take them all the way down to where I rest the bar for squats and I press from there.
Any athletic training has the potential for injuries. Machine fanatics will counter that if you use machines using a 4 seconds up and down you won't get injured. I say you won't get muscles either.
Bent over rows will throw my back out in a heart beat. My soulution? I don't do them. Are they good for someone else? Of course they are. Bending over in a isometric position rocking up and down pulling a barbell makes my back hurt thinking about it. I can squat, deadlift, power clean, but I won't do bent over barbell rows.
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1. any behind-the-neck pulldowns/presses
2. leg extensions (f*** your knees in the long run)
ask any physician/massage therapist/chiropractor...
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Upright rows kick ass. >:(
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Getting back to the original Carmello post of exercises that should be banned: That list would include three of my favorite and most result producing movement and minus any injury throughtout the training years. Bent arm Pullovers (DB's) a upper body mass builder which affects the lat's, triceps, pec's and ab's mainly. DB's tend to give a more natural hand position . Adding a bench press off the chest to the movement after each rep of pullovers gives evey more influence on the pec's, delts & triceps. By all means use heavy weights. Even a improvement in the muscle attachments of the chest and the rib box it's self, in younger trainee's, can improve and give a fuller feeling to the chest. Using 160-185 DB's is not out of the question for higher rep pullovers (12-18).
PBN's which get blamed for a lot of shoulder injuries, weither true or not. Problem being that most guy's do not warm up enough and/or have not much flexability in the shoulder girdle area to begin with. Lowering the bar too far down the back (just touch the middle trap 's) and having too wide a hand grip (have just about a 90 degree angle to the elbows/arms when pressing) can give problems. Start the PBN from the bottom(slight pause) rather than the top and not bouncing the bar off the shoulder area on the way down. PBN's are a great delt width builder when done right and can even help with your BP'ing. (260-280lbs 6-9 reps, so far)
UP-right rows are a prime muscle builder for the laterial (and lesser degree, the posterior delts) & traps. Also affect the biceps/forearms. I favor a Olympic E-Z bar for less stress on the wrist. For some, the problem may be holding the grip too wide and raising the bar too far away from the body during the lift.Can affects the shoulder in a negative manner for some. Pull to a little above the upper chest. Either way the up-right row and the PBN can give extra thick delts and broad shoulder improvement. When you have to buy larger shirts at the fat man's shop (even though your not fat) and a normal doorway makes you turn a little sideways to get through than you know that these exercises work well for you. (220-245 for 6-9 rep still go well for me)
I'm 33 and have been training with serious intent for 17 years now with out any major problems with the above favorite lift's. Being 6'2 at 235 with a large, wide frame, the joint's are still holding up well. Good Luck.
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i read somewhere in this thread .. someone said gunter has better tris than ronnie!???
... uh...
huh bro
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not even close
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I was talking about this year. Did u see Ronnies' triceps this year? Cause I didn't. That shit looked like it dissapeared, or faded out alot. Just a mass blob, where as Gunters' actually had definition, and not to mention big.
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THAT'S IT!!!! Never again will I ever do close grip bench presses!!!! NEVER!!!! I took your guys advice, and almost fucked my shoulder again for all time! NO MORE! SORRY! I'm versatile enough to get them to grow many other ways. Just an update!
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Ok kids. I'm going to list the exercises that do nothing for me, or are dangerous. Also what i feel when i do them. I'm a big critic on form, so i know I'm doing everything correctly. Also keep in mind I'm 6'2'' so maybe some exercises just aren't made for taller structures. Add to the list, or articulate on it.
1. DB pullovers: No effect whatsoever! Sometimes my tri's actually get sore as all hell!
2. Close grip bench presses: Excellent way to f**k up your shoulder joints, and wrists.
3. Behind the neck military presses: If I had 10 dollars for everyone i know who blew out a disk, or injured their spinal column...
4. Behind the neck pulldowns: The body is just not meant for certain angles. This B disk blower #2 matey.
5. Upright rows: No matter the grip, I feel this is the single most overrated for nothing exercise ever!
6. sternum pulldowns: Hurts my shoulder joints everytime!
I think that's pretty much it. I'll post whatever else comes to mind, but these make the top list! I'll never do them again. NEVER!!!
ROOOAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!
I agree with #4 but other than that you sound like a little pussy......
you basicaly sound like a newby who has'nt figure things out yet and is just plain frustrated
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No way anyone does 405 good mornings haha!
Retard.
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Retard.
whoa, dude. it looks like he's about to slip 5 or 6 discs there.
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(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:J732syABs6AJ:www.zyworld.com/powerlifting/cpc/shut_up_and_squat_black.JPG) >:(
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I agree with #4 but other than that you sound like a little pussy......
you basicaly sound like a newby who has'nt figure things out yet and is just plain frustrated
Listen here, my ancestors weren't slaves, so my genetics don't entail me with abilities to abuse my body in unnatural exercise settings. It's easier for certain people to grow no matter what they do weight training wise because of their genetics. Alot of people agree with the exercises I have posted to say they should be banned. I'm looking out for my mobility in the future. From the exercises I listed, not one is mandatory in order to grow a certain muscle to it's greatest capacity. U don't care bout your future? Good! Fuk your future then! Btw, I've been training for 4 years, and these exercises have done nothing but waste my time, when I could've adhered to my current training protocol with greater than now results dipship.
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Listen here, my ancestors weren't slaves, so my genetics don't entail me with abilities to abuse my body in unnatural exercise settings. It's easier for certain people to grow no matter what they do weight training wise because of their genetics. Alot of people agree with the exercises I have posted to say they should be banned. I'm looking out for my mobility in the future. From the exercises I listed, not one is mandatory in order to grow a certain muscle to it's greatest capacity. U don't care bout your future? Good! f**k your future then! Btw, I've been training for 4 years, and these exercises have done nothing but waste my time, when I could've adhered to my current training protocol with greater than now results dipship.
um.....he SAID you sound like a pussy who's frustrated. That's exactly what you affirmed in that post.
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um.....he SAID you sound like a pussy who's frustrated. That's exactly what you affirmed in that post.
What the HELL!? Why r u complying with him? I never did nothin to u. This is what isn't good for me. It's not good for anyone, and u know it. That's why I started this thread! ROAR!!!!!
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What the HELL!? Why r u complying with him? I never did nothin to u. This is what isn't good for me. It's not good for anyone, and u know it. That's why I started this thread! ROAR!!!!!
shut up bitcch.
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shut up bitcch.
U shut up. U stink. You reek of unmanly odors, u perfume wearing whore! :-X