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Title: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 16, 2005, 11:02:12 AM
rather dumb when it comes to gear, I was wondering if there are any type of steroids that can be taken in the pill form that would be just as potent?
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: massivemann on November 16, 2005, 12:01:30 PM
yes but if ur not ready to inject your not ready to use roids
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: bald on November 16, 2005, 12:33:32 PM
rather dumb when it comes to gear, I was wondering if there are any type of steroids that can be taken in the pill form that would be just as potent?




No offence, but have you heard of "eyes before mouth"?

You should probably educate yourself just a little bit, before asking questions.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 16, 2005, 01:28:07 PM
well excuse me, the title of this board "steroids INFO and hardcore" led me to believe this would be a place to ask questions.  Sorry if I didn't know the secret handshake.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: bald on November 16, 2005, 01:33:37 PM
well excuse me, the title of this board "steroids INFO and hardcore" led me to believe this would be a place to ask questions.  Sorry if I didn't know the secret handshake.


calm down big shooter.  Just helping you out.  Not many of these guys will help you if you don't try and help yourself first.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 16, 2005, 01:44:51 PM
well I can't knock a guy that has a Hulk avatar, he was my hero.  So seriously, if I am to educate myself, what would be some good websites to start with?
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: bald on November 16, 2005, 01:49:06 PM
The very first sticky on this board is called links and studies.  You will find ALOT of good stuff there.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 16, 2005, 09:04:02 PM
rather dumb when it comes to gear, I was wondering if there are any type of steroids that can be taken in the pill form that would be just as potent?

No, Condor...... ::)

If you aren't ready to inject then don't do it at all.

17AA orals alone will not give you permanent gains, you'd only be wasting them.

Get over your fear of needles or forget it.



DIV
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 17, 2005, 08:00:50 AM
thanks man
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 08:26:47 AM
No, Condor...... ::)

If you aren't ready to inject then don't do it at all.

17AA orals alone will not give you permanent gains, you'd only be wasting them.

Get over your fear of needles or forget it.



DIV

Div, many guys have used Dbol only cycles to good effect

A simple Dbol cycle, will bring great gains, of which, will not just evaportate, thats just nonesense

The wider point here is that, without injectables the guy is severely reducing his options, without injectables there is no way to maximise your steroid gains

However - and to repeat - to say that using orals alone is not worth it, is a huge mistake

Get them down your neck
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Beyond Genetics on November 17, 2005, 09:04:01 AM
thanks man

Your first lesson is to not listen to anything Sir Duchaine has to say, he's a racist moron who could give a shit if he led you to your own grave..

Your second is that Orals can be very dangerous if you don't know what you are doing, you should really focus on injectables, mainly Test...  Try 500mg for 8-12 weeks and read up on PCT before you start.

Once you get used to the needles the fear will go away...
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 09:30:43 AM
Your first lesson is to not listen to anything Sir Duchaine has to say, he's a racist moron who could give a shit if he led you to your own grave..

Your second is that Orals can be very dangerous if you don't know what you are doing, you should really focus on injectables, mainly Test...  Try 500mg for 8-12 weeks and read up on PCT before you start.

Once you get used to the needles the fear will go away...

LOL, so you are now trying to score points by claiming a dbol only cycle is neither effective by itself nor is a mainstay of MANY users?

Well, done you, please, keep it up

idiot

Condor, give me a few mins, I will upload the PDF of 'steroid guru' Mick Harts Laymans guide for you to peruse

All the details of an oral only cycle are in there, and if you are able, you could do a lot worse than contact Mick himself, a truly great guy
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 09:43:18 AM
Here you go mate:

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=31OPW2844806P0U4R4PMV1OZQG

(http://www.bodybuildingandsteroids.com/anabolic-steroids-guides-3.gif)

If you want any information, give us a shout

 ;)
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Beyond Genetics on November 17, 2005, 09:58:45 AM
Here you go mate:

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=31OPW2844806P0U4R4PMV1OZQG

(http://www.bodybuildingandsteroids.com/anabolic-steroids-guides-3.gif)

If you want any information, give us a shout

 ;)

Yeah, fuck it,,  go for it kid...  50mg of D-Bol a week is way better for you and more effective than 500mg of test.....  ::)

Have Fun...
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 17, 2005, 10:09:46 AM

i uploaded laymans and chemical muscle enhancement on rapideshare a few months ago!

really... i did!

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 10:19:39 AM
i uploaded laymans and chemical muscle enhancement on rapideshare a few months ago!

really... i did!



Same here, fucking link dies though

I wonder how much money Mick made back in the 90s from ALL of his endeavours?

Great guy though

...and free, yes I did piss myself at that post of yours re: purple face and ticker lol
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 17, 2005, 11:42:08 AM
Same here, fucking link dies though

I wonder how much money Mick made back in the 90s from ALL of his endeavours?

Great guy though

...and free, yes I did piss myself at that post of yours re: purple face and ticker lol

huh? refresh my memory!!

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 17, 2005, 11:42:53 AM
thanks guys for all the advice....it seems as though my best bet is to educate myself as much as possible before trying anything.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 17, 2005, 11:46:20 AM

aaahh go and bollocks with your 'education' ...

... do you study medical books before takin an aspirin??

all this research stuff is just absolute piss n wind .... just cram ye down some more and eat like crazy.

the oracle has spaketh , me old fruity!  8)

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 11:48:59 AM
huh? refresh my memory!!



Micks little 'health episode' a few months ago, lol, you said something along the lines of 'Mick clutching his chest, with his purple face and knackered ticker' lol

I will have a dig around to see if I can find the post
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 11:51:21 AM
thanks guys for all the advice....it seems as though my best bet is to educate myself as much as possible before trying anything.  I appreciate it.

Mate, if you just want to use an oral stack, then use 6 Dianabol per day for 6-8 weeks, if it is your first cycle, then use the d'bol stack as outlined in Micks book

As freeagain said, this isnt rocket science
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 17, 2005, 12:06:29 PM
I'm seeing Dianobol on ebay--100 tabs for $75----how much should it cost?
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 12:15:04 PM
I'm seeing Dianobol on ebay--100 tabs for $75----how much should it cost?

Depends on which country etc

TBH, I wouldnt buy from Ebay anyway mate, lol, use your brain, its probably a scammer

If you train in a gym with gear users, then simply get cosy with them

What country are you in?
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: massivemann on November 17, 2005, 12:15:22 PM
I'm seeing Dianobol on ebay--100 tabs for $75----how much should it cost?
umm ebay= no no
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 17, 2005, 12:16:15 PM
umm ebay= no no

Exactly, oh and, ignore any of the DOZENS of PMs you will now get from scammers trying to con you etc
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Overload on November 17, 2005, 12:25:58 PM
my brother took 40mg a day of dbol for 10 weeks and went to the doctor before and after cycle. everything was perfectly fine. he gained 24 pounds and kept 15 of those and he was lean when he started. he lost some reps when he came off but his strength was 95% of when he was on. not bad for a under 200 dollar cycle. it was his first cycle BTW about 5 years ago. deca/dbol also worked great for him and tons of other people i know.

do some research, there are better options but you will pay for it.

 8)
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 17, 2005, 12:28:55 PM

oh i remember ... 'clutchin his chest with a face like a rotten strawberry'... summat like that!  :D

i get dbols for £120 for a thousand thai pinks ... i think the arseholes at the gym sell em for £20 to £25 quid per 100.

gimme your address .. ll send ya some!  ;)

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freakfestMD on November 17, 2005, 02:30:14 PM
Uh, guys, I think this one got away from us a bit.

How about a simple question to Condor:  How old are you? 

Also, how long have you been training?  What are your goals?  How is your diet?

For all you all know, you,ve been arguing over whether or not a 13 year old should be taking dbol or test :-[
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 17, 2005, 09:04:52 PM
Yeah, f**k it,,  go for it kid...  50mg of D-Bol a week is way better for you and more effective than 500mg of test.....  ::)

Have Fun...

I agree, BG.........In my experience people I've seen on D-bol only cycle lose their gains after coming off because most of it was water weight.  They keep strength, but not the size.  I would not recommend a D-bol only cycle....waste of time, IMO.

thanks guys for all the advice....it seems as though my best bet is to educate myself as much as possible before trying anything.  I appreciate it.

^YES.  wait.......



DIV
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: brianX on November 18, 2005, 02:08:34 AM
Your first lesson is to not listen to anything Sir Duchaine has to say, he's a racist moron who could give a shit if he led you to your own grave..

Your second is that Orals can be very dangerous if you don't know what you are doing, you should really focus on injectables, mainly Test...  Try 500mg for 8-12 weeks and read up on PCT before you start.

Once you get used to the needles the fear will go away...

Yeah, it's a lot safer to inject yourself with something which was probably synthesized in an Iranian bathtub. Think abscesses, systemic infection, and anaphylactic shock, you cunt.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 18, 2005, 04:35:29 AM

i know... i'v always questioned the 'pins are safer' statement.

i mean you swallow a few pill and you may have elevated liver enzymes for a while which return to normal... but the side effects of a bad jab are abscesses , blood poisonin and death .

call me irrational but i feel far safer gobblin dbol than pinnin test enanthate!

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 18, 2005, 07:52:16 AM
Uh, guys, I think this one got away from us a bit.

How about a simple question to Condor:  How old are you? 

Also, how long have you been training?  What are your goals?  How is your diet?

For all you all know, you,ve been arguing over whether or not a 13 year old should be taking dbol or test :-[

I'm 27, been training for about 4.5 years, went from near anorexic-state of 135 to about 180 now (160 during diet).  I'd like to get big but keep a V-shape.  Diet is decently clean.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 18, 2005, 09:19:27 AM
I agree, BG.........In my experience people I've seen on D-bol only cycle lose their gains after coming off because most of it was water weight.  They keep strength, but not the size.  I would not recommend a D-bol only cycle....waste of time, IMO.




DIV

Thats because D'bol gives rise to a lot of waterweight, comparitive to say, Anavar, you fucking idiot!

To wit, are you suggesting that a cycle of test -  that would blow some folks up with water - will result in 'all the size gains being kept'? equally so, are you suggesting an oral only cycle of winstrol and/or Anavar would result in a massive loss of gains post cycle? fuck off, you clown

To further piss over your asinine point, tell me, what were Zieglers original - and well documented, highly successfull stacks - composed of?

Assholes
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 18, 2005, 09:57:19 AM
Thats because D'bol gives rise to a lot of waterweight, comparitive to say, Anavar, you fucking idiot!

To wit, are you suggesting that a cycle of test -  that would blow some folks up with water - will result in 'all the size gains being kept'? equally so, are you suggesting an oral only cycle of winstrol and/or Anavar would result in a massive loss of gains post cycle? fuck off, you clown

To further piss over your asinine point, tell me, what were Zieglers original - and well documented, highly successfull stacks - composed of?

Assholes

I'm not suggesting shit, Duchaine.

I KNOW. 

I've written cycles for people......amateurs, people I know, people on HERE. 

Been studying AAS and ancillaries for years.

If you'd read Duchaine you'd know that a D-bol only cycle is a waste of time......




DIV
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 18, 2005, 01:29:49 PM
I'm not suggesting shit, Duchaine.

I KNOW. 

I've written cycles for people......amateurs, people I know, people on HERE. 

Been studying AAS and ancillaries for years.

If you'd read Duchaine you'd know that a D-bol only cycle is a waste of time......




DIV

Shit DIV, thats a great way of sidestepping the Ziegler question, not to mention the Anavar and Winstrol question

But no bother, I mean... you have written cycles, and studied ancillaries

 ::)
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: deviant on November 18, 2005, 02:30:14 PM
I'm not suggesting shit, Duchaine.

I KNOW. 

I've written cycles for people......amateurs, people I know, people on HERE. 

Been studying AAS and ancillaries for years.

If you'd read Duchaine you'd know that a D-bol only cycle is a waste of time......




DIV

The 'test is best' mantra is not for everybody......some people get horrendous sides and fill up like a water balloon, losing virtually everything once stopping the cycle....the reason?....they'd gained virtually fuck all anyway, wake up people.....carrying around 20lbs of water weight does not constitute a 'great' cycle.

My first few cycles were test based..... test/d-bol.....test/deca.....the usual, and i made good gains on the scales.....except that i looked puffy, had moon face, greasy skin etc and pissed away all my 'gains' once the water left my system...... and this was using all the advice about ancillaries trotted out on this site and many others.... nolva, HCG, clomid etc.....

Test cycles just werent doing it for me, i felt great and got strong in the gym but it was like taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back.....

I'm currently on a cycle of Primo as my injectable and Winstrol as my oral.....theres no test and i dont give a fuck....i look better than on any test based cycles i've done.....i'm not full of water, weight is up and while the growth isnt as 'amazing' as when on test i know i wont piss 10lbs of it away as water weight when the cycle ends.....also because its a mild cycle of what are considered 'safe' anabolics i havent needed to bother with all the nolva crap.

I already have the gear for my next cycle.....Boldenone as my injectable and Anavar as the oral.....no test again..... as Freeagain once said on here, muscle gained is muscle gained......damn right, 20lb of bloat is not and never will be muscle. I'd sooner gain it slowly with milder anabolics and not get all watery and have to worry about side effects.....if i only gain 5-7lbs on the next cycle i know it wil be 5-7lbs of muscle and not water.

(p.s my cycle advice comes from an IFBB pro and former MrUniverse....he's not against test but he is open minded enough to realise that its not the only way.....ask MaxRep what gear the the guys in the 60s and 70s took.....test was considered 'dirty'....there are other ways)
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Beyond Genetics on November 18, 2005, 06:37:27 PM
The 'test is best' mantra is not for everybody......some people get horrendous sides and fill up like a water balloon, losing virtually everything once stopping the cycle....the reason?....they'd gained virtually f**k all anyway, wake up people.....carrying around 20lbs of water weight does not constitute a 'great' cycle.

My first few cycles were test based..... test/d-bol.....test/deca.....the usual, and i made good gains on the scales.....except that i looked puffy, had moon face, greasy skin etc and pissed away all my 'gains' once the water left my system...... and this was using all the advice about ancillaries trotted out on this site and many others.... nolva, HCG, clomid etc.....

Test cycles just werent doing it for me, i felt great and got strong in the gym but it was like taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back.....

I'm currently on a cycle of Primo as my injectable and Winstrol as my oral.....theres no test and i dont give a f**k....i look better than on any test based cycles i've done.....i'm not full of water, weight is up and while the growth isnt as 'amazing' as when on test i know i wont piss 10lbs of it away as water weight when the cycle ends.....also because its a mild cycle of what are considered 'safe' anabolics i havent needed to bother with all the nolva crap.

I already have the gear for my next cycle.....Boldenone as my injectable and Anavar as the oral.....no test again..... as Freeagain once said on here, muscle gained is muscle gained......damn right, 20lb of bloat is not and never will be muscle. I'd sooner gain it slowly with milder anabolics and not get all watery and have to worry about side effects.....if i only gain 5-7lbs on the next cycle i know it wil be 5-7lbs of muscle and not water.

(p.s my cycle advice comes from an IFBB pro and former MrUniverse....he's not against test but he is open minded enough to realise that its not the only way.....ask MaxRep what gear the the guys in the 60s and 70s took.....test was considered 'dirty'....there are other ways)

Cycling is overrated, I quit that shit a long time ago.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Sir Duchaine on November 18, 2005, 06:53:47 PM
Cycling is overrated, I quit that shit a long time ago.

Yeah, because you are obviously the fucking font of gear knowledge, you - as with all of other areas of lifes bounty, know fuck all about it

clown
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 18, 2005, 10:01:56 PM
(p.s my cycle advice comes from an IFBB pro and former MrUniverse....he's not against test but he is open minded enough to realise that its not the only way.....ask MaxRep what gear the the guys in the 60s and 70s took.....test was considered 'dirty'....there are other ways)

I realize that different things work for different people.

Just saying that in my experience, a D-bol only cycle doesn't lead to any significant gains once the water gain is flushed out.  Of course it's possible that some people can gain from it, usually novice AAS users with virgin receptors. 

I just don't recommend it to people who ask me.

For me, Test is the key to all stacks.........even alone if need be.

I learned through alot of reading, several "guru" books, a couple consultations with Author L. Rea and trial & error on my part.

Cycling is overrated, I quit that shit a long time ago.

I believe you said you never come off, right?

Sounds nice.





DIV
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Condor on November 21, 2005, 07:31:40 PM
I'm actually more worried about the size and strength loss when coming off a cycle.  From what I've read, you get so used to the gains that when you come off you suffer not only physically but psycologically, and that this is the catalyst for an addiction. 
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: gibberj2 on November 21, 2005, 08:20:34 PM
http://www.steroid-encyclopaedia.com/ 
is this site real or does anyone use it... just out of curiosity i dont wanna start.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 21, 2005, 09:42:32 PM
I'm actually more worried about the size and strength loss when coming off a cycle.  From what I've read, you get so used to the gains that when you come off you suffer not only physically but psycologically, and that this is the catalyst for an addiction. 

Exactly.

Physical depression (of hormones) can lead to Psychological depression....

It happens.





DIV
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Beyond Genetics on November 22, 2005, 03:53:41 AM
I believe you said you never come off, right?

Sounds nice.


It is, I just came off my diet a couple months ago and currently weigh 250 lean,,  you never get fat when you stay on.  That cycling shit is for the birds. I just come off everything except about 200mg of test every once in a while. Hoping to hit 265 by spring. We'll see how the slin works out. It's nice living next to Mexico.
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 22, 2005, 06:06:45 AM
It is, I just came off my diet a couple months ago and currently weigh 250 lean,,  you never get fat when you stay on.  That cycling shit is for the birds. I just come off everything except about 200mg of test every once in a while. Hoping to hit 265 by spring. We'll see how the slin works out. It's nice living next to Mexico.

I've been on maintenance does of 250MG Sustanon ew for about 4 months now......haven't run any cycles for awhile.......I'm contemplating just doing what you are doing and running cycles followed by maintenance in-between.

Is it really worth it to stay on?  Are you the one who said he didn't want kids?




DIV

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 22, 2005, 06:16:01 AM
I've been on maintenance does of 250MG Sustanon ew for about 4 months now......haven't run any cycles for awhile.......I'm contemplating just doing what you are doing and running cycles followed by maintenance in-between.

Is it really worth it to stay on?  Are you the one who said he didn't want kids?




DIV




do you have any testicles left ??

im sorry but havin an empty ball bag would traumatise me too much.

iv always advocated dbol only cycles for newbys. as mentioned above... the first use of roids produces amazin results... ones which can never be replicated .

if i was a newby id be smashin handfulls of dbol into my greedy gob for 6 to 10 weeks ... and lovin the results.

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 22, 2005, 06:25:56 AM

do you have any testicles left ??

im sorry but havin an empty ball bag would traumatise me too much.

What the fu.ck are you talking about?

I'm on maintenance doses, not megadoses.........plus Dostinex, HCG make sure I have no problems.

I'm not advocating staying on, but 250MG ew is nothing........

Read the thread before you jump to conclusions.




DIV

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: freeagain on November 22, 2005, 06:44:03 AM
What the fu.ck are you talking about?

I'm on maintenance doses, not megadoses.........plus Dostinex, HCG make sure I have no problems.

I'm not advocating staying on, but 250MG ew is nothing........

Read the thread before you jump to conclusions.




DIV



'maintenance dose' lmfao... you mean you are takin exogenous test at supra physiological quantitys that will shut down your potatoes  .... and you think you aint actually 'on'!!

bwhahahahaha ... i love the mental games people play with themselves... no such thing as maintenance or 'bridges' ... you cyclin whether you like it or not.

oh and there is no problem im sure ... you usin other meds to kepp your balls resmblin normal size,lol

oh everythin is okay then... silly me.

sorry for 'cuttin your balls off' intellectually by posin a question ... men get very touchy about their 'masculinity'!

Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 22, 2005, 07:31:19 AM
'maintenance dose' lmfao... you mean you are takin exogenous test at supra physiological quantitys that will shut down your potatoes  .... and you think you aint actually 'on'!!

bwhahahahaha ... i love the mental games people play with themselves... no such thing as maintenance or 'bridges' ... you cyclin whether you like it or not.

oh and there is no problem im sure ... you usin other meds to kepp your balls resmblin normal size,lol

oh everythin is okay then... silly me.

sorry for 'cuttin your balls off' intellectually by posin a question ... men get very touchy about their 'masculinity'!

Nah......I feel you, but it's not like I can't function.

250MG Sustanon ew can shut you down, but it's not nearly as bad as megadosing.....

I'm just considering doing what BG is doing..........staying on indefinitely.




DIV
Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: Beyond Genetics on November 22, 2005, 09:22:27 AM
Nah......I feel you, but it's not like I can't function.

250MG Sustanon ew can shut you down, but it's not nearly as bad as megadosing.....

I'm just considering doing what BG is doing..........staying on indefinitely.




DIV

250 will shut you down,,, and is more than you produce normally...
I gained 30lbs my first cycle and I only took 250mg sust and 50mg deca...
but it's not dangerous to my knowledge. 250mg is pretty easy on the body, probably easier than coming off all together which is quite a strain on the body and mind.

Cycling made me feel all fucked up, now I always feel good...



Title: Re: steroid pills?
Post by: DIVISION on November 22, 2005, 09:37:50 AM
250 will shut you down,,, and is more than you produce normally...
I gained 30lbs my first cycle and I only took 250mg sust and 50mg deca...
but it's not dangerous to my knowledge. 250mg is pretty easy on the body, probably easier than coming off all together which is quite a strain on the body and mind.

^That's why I'm only using 250MG Sustanon........until I decide whether I want to run a real cycle or stay on permanent.



DIV