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Title: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 07:04:02 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/multiple-people-hit-shooting-near-empire-state-building-133611266.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/multiple-people-hit-shooting-near-empire-state-building-133611266.html)



A gunman has shot multiple people near the Empire State Building in the Midtown area of Manhattan, according to several news reports.

New York City's ABC 7 says happened at Fifth Avenue and West 34th Street around 9 a.m. ET. Ten people were hit by gunfire, the New York Post is reporting.

The Associated Press and others say police shot and killed the gunman near the tourist entrance of the Empire State Building. Reuters reports that two people have died. The Post said the fatalities include the gunman and an innocent bystander.

Word of the shooting spread fast on social media networks.

"Woah. My friend just witnessed a shooting in NYC in front of the Empire State Building," one woman said on Twitter.  "4 dead. And Americans say the world is dangerous!"

The number of fatalities has not been made official.

Eye witnesses told CNN that the gunman was using a rifle or shotgun.

Traffic was diverted around the Empire State Building as investigators responded to the scene.

We'll update this story as more details are known.



 :-\
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: TrueGrit on August 24, 2012, 07:14:18 AM
Gunman of peace.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 24, 2012, 07:21:40 AM
I live in NYC - we have a total ban on handgun ownership. 

How long before bloomberg is screaming about more gun laws?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: hrspwr on August 24, 2012, 07:22:12 AM
impossible. They don`t allow guns in NYC, its the law.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Mitch on August 24, 2012, 07:24:21 AM
In before Wiggs saying "Guess the race"  :D
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on August 24, 2012, 07:29:43 AM
Why are these shooters going after innocent people?  Why not go after the fuckers that caused them distress in the first place like the wall street bankers?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2012, 07:30:57 AM
Mayor Bloomberg to capitalize upon the crisis with 11 am news connference.

Will he talk about the FACTS, or will he use it to push his anti-gun agenda?

Already, the man broke the law by even having a gun in NYC, so more laws woudln't have helped...
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Irongrip400 on August 24, 2012, 07:31:10 AM
Gunman of peace.

Too soon.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on August 24, 2012, 07:32:17 AM
Mayor Bloomberg to capitalize upon the crisis with 11 am news connference.

Will he talk about the FACTS, or will he use it to push his anti-gun agenda?

Already, the man broke the law by even having a gun in NYC, so more laws woudln't have helped...

Ban guns and Big Gulps.  Go Bloomberg
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: TrueGrit on August 24, 2012, 07:32:39 AM
Why are these shooters going after innocent people?  Why not go after the fuckers that caused them distress in the first place like the wall street bankers?

This.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 24, 2012, 07:32:55 AM
Ban guns and Big Gulps.  Go Bloomberg

We already have a ban on guns in NYC 
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: TrueGrit on August 24, 2012, 07:33:33 AM
http://rt.com/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/


Pretty graphic stuff..
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on August 24, 2012, 07:42:37 AM
Was the evil gun captured??
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: mass243 on August 24, 2012, 08:06:56 AM


Maybe he thought that little spread of sum' democracy never hurts !!

Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 24, 2012, 08:08:22 AM
Work place dispute
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 08:08:44 AM
Empire State Of Peaceful Mind    ::) ::)


Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: mass243 on August 24, 2012, 08:16:51 AM
http://rt.com/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/



RT there again as the first to report events to the world  8)
Epic show of talent that channel is - and a gift for freedom of people. who would have thought.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-288.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-764.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/body-sidewalk-empire-building.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-565.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/shooting-covered-shooter-opened.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-18.jpg)


Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 24, 2012, 08:20:20 AM
(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-288.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-764.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/body-sidewalk-empire-building.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-565.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/shooting-covered-shooter-opened.jpg)

(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-18.jpg)





Guy was fired from his job yesterday. 

Another casuality of Obama's economy.   :P 
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: abijahmaniaco on August 24, 2012, 08:22:23 AM
Was the evil gun captured??

lol
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 08:25:39 AM
Flannel shirt wearer of peace  ::)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 24, 2012, 08:29:11 AM
in ALL these american shooting headlines, you very seldomly here how an armed vigilante stopped the shooter.



Police hit a few of the victims w gun fire
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 08:35:57 AM
Police hit a few of the victims w gun fire

typical NYPD protocol , shoot first, chalk later
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: bighead on August 24, 2012, 08:47:00 AM
manchurian candidate  
 One who has been brainwashed into preforming actions (such as assassination) upon recieving a special code word or phrase. The candidate acts and behaves normally before recieving the trigger, with no knowledge of what he will do, or what he has done while under the influence of mind control.

 
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: bighead on August 24, 2012, 09:05:03 AM
I live in NYC - we have a total ban on handgun ownership.  

How long before bloomberg is screaming about more gun laws?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: manuelsonn on August 24, 2012, 10:56:31 AM
aa, this is the 5 or 6 shooting in what  less than a week or so? Fine place to live is americana, RIP
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on August 24, 2012, 10:57:48 AM
aa, this is the 5 or 6 shooting in what  less than a week or so? Fine place to live is americana, RIP

It wouldn't be so bad if they targeted the right people.  Leave the innocent people allow and go after the shady bankers and politicians that truly fucked this country over.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2012, 11:00:10 AM

Guy was fired from his job yesterday. 

Another casuality of Obama's economy.   :P 

what a fcked up thing to say man.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 11:04:53 AM
If the shooter didnt die and was rushed to the hospital, would Obama Care take care of his medical Bills? 
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Wiggs on August 24, 2012, 11:20:24 AM
In before Wiggs saying "Guess the race"  :D


Hey everybody, let's play, GUESS THE RACE!!!!! :D
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 11:23:04 AM
Obama will declare are on terrorist white people soon
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: YngiweRhoads on August 24, 2012, 11:25:21 AM
I'll call up Dave Mustaine and see what he thinks about all this.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: manuelsonn on August 24, 2012, 11:29:48 AM

Hey everybody, let's play, GUESS THE RACE!!!!! :D
:) to easy :)  angry caucasian madman
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: hrspwr on August 24, 2012, 11:38:06 AM
I`m going with militant homo.

 53yo Jeff Johnson fired from womans clothing store last year.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on August 24, 2012, 11:43:50 AM
It wouldn't be so bad if they targeted the right people.  Leave the innocent people allow and go after the shady bankers and politicians that truly fucked this country over.

Exactly, the worse things get here the more of these incidents theres gonna be, so hopefully those that crack will start aiming at those who deserve it( bankers and politicians) instead of other civilians
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Hulkotron on August 24, 2012, 11:46:34 AM
(http://rt.com/files/usa/news/shooting-empire-state-newyork-494/image-565.jpg)

I'd hump that cop ^^^

(the chick, not the dark one, not gay)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: TrueGrit on August 24, 2012, 11:50:21 AM
Can't believe there are no pics of this clothes-designing gunman up yet.

Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 11:55:45 AM
Can't believe there are no pics of this clothes-designing gunman up yet.




Wouldnt it be great if it was a Chick-Fil A hater  ;D
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: BB on August 24, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
Can't believe there are no pics of this clothes-designing gunman up yet.



(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=438756.0;attach=481894;image).

Probably this guy. Accounts have him dressed as a business man hiding gun in briefcase, he shoots man, then is chased by good samaritan, and cops that open fire.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb1_1345826950 .
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: TrueGrit on August 24, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Looks pretty chic.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: crownshep on August 24, 2012, 12:19:14 PM
Can't believe there are no pics of this clothes-designing gunman up yet.



Pics here,and the woman he is with looks like Gasparis wife.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193065/Empire-State-Building-shooting-Two-people-shot-dead-multiple-injured.html
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: crownshep on August 24, 2012, 12:26:17 PM
The guy shot dead .
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: crownshep on August 24, 2012, 12:29:39 PM
Rich and his wife
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2012, 12:45:47 PM
WTF?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Radical Plato on August 24, 2012, 12:50:16 PM
Pretty Sure Cops shot pretty much everyone, the original shooter just wanted to murder an ex colleague, which he did, and then the cops show up and start shooting, killing the suspect and a bystander and injuring quite a few more in the process.  Shooter only had a 45 caliber gun which can only make eight shots without being reloaded. Police have also found Johnson had been carrying another magazine with eight bullets and a knife
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: The True Adonis on August 24, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
What will happen to fool the public-

Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Radical Plato on August 24, 2012, 01:00:55 PM
The guy shot dead .
Which one is it - the dude on the right or the left
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Archer77 on August 24, 2012, 01:06:50 PM
Apparently he killed his former boss who had recently fired him which is a better indicator than the type of crime itself that the perpetrator wasn't black.   
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 01:12:09 PM
Damn Mrs Gaspari gets around
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Wiggs on August 24, 2012, 01:14:06 PM
The white menace must be stopped.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Archer77 on August 24, 2012, 01:18:42 PM
The white menace must be stopped.

Put them all on a boat back to where they came from is what I say. The English hate Pakis but wait until they get a boatload of rednecks.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 01:19:37 PM
So this guy with the Tranny is the fashion designer's BOSS ...Steve Ercolino


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=438382.0;attach=481908;image)






The Fired Dead Shooter / Chick-Fil A hater is Jeffrey Johnson




(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1143696.1345828426!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/shooter-facedown.jpg)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Wiggs on August 24, 2012, 01:20:00 PM
Put them all on a boat back to where they came from is what I say. The English hate Pakis but wait until they get a boatload of rednecks.

Hahahahahahahhaha.....Ma ss genocide Get'r'dun' style.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: D_1000 on August 24, 2012, 01:21:16 PM
The white menace must be stopped.

I know. Some of them are almost as bad as the black ones.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 01:22:20 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Hulkotron on August 24, 2012, 01:29:15 PM
Rich and his wife

Which one is the wife ???
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: calfzilla on August 24, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
Is that black shooting victim wiggs?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Wiggs on August 24, 2012, 01:35:27 PM
Is that black shooting victim wiggs?


No, but you would like it to be my little white menace.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: wes on August 24, 2012, 01:35:47 PM
manchurian candidate 
 One who has been brainwashed into preforming actions (such as assassination) upon recieving a special code word or phrase. The candidate acts and behaves normally before recieving the trigger, with no knowledge of what he will do, or what he has done while under the influence of mind control.

 

::)

(http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tinfoil-hat.jpg)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
FagGott coppers , is there really a need to measure his dick size on the side walk



(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17wyt4w3m8egpjpg/xlarge.jpg)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 24, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
Oh Snap it looks like the cops shot most of the innocents  :-X
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 01:40:49 PM
Oh Snap it looks like the cops shot most ALL of the innocent by standards  :-X
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: doison on August 24, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
Mayor Bloomberg to capitalize upon the crisis with 11 am news connference.

Will he talk about the FACTS, or will he use it to push his anti-gun agenda?

Already, the man broke the law by even having a gun in NYC, so more laws woudln't have helped...

Handguns aren't allowed in NYC.  I'm pretty sure this was archery.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on August 24, 2012, 02:29:30 PM
The white menace must be stopped.

Hahah
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Radical Plato on August 24, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
Oh Snap it looks like the cops shot most of the innocents  :-X
Cops killing citizens, nothing to see here folks, move along!
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: calfzilla on August 24, 2012, 03:07:23 PM
No, but you would like it to be my little white menace.

No of course not, just resemblance was uncanny. I was concerned for you mr. Wiggs.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: arce1988 on August 24, 2012, 04:00:28 PM
was the fat black guy writing parking tickets?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: irishdave on August 24, 2012, 04:08:38 PM
Apparently he killed his former boss who had recently fired him which is a better indicator than the type of crime itself that the perpetrator wasn't black.   

rofl
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Stark on August 24, 2012, 04:10:18 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Stark on August 24, 2012, 04:11:20 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Nails on August 24, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
I bet the fucking pigs shot Wiggs first thinking surely the negro is the shooter and not the white man with a tie and suit.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: arce1988 on August 24, 2012, 04:30:41 PM
again... was the fat black guy writing parking tickets?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: booty on August 24, 2012, 04:44:22 PM
The bloody pics are more graphic than I expected to see. 
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Tapeworm on August 24, 2012, 06:07:03 PM
He just wanted to be fashionable.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Parker on August 24, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
It wouldn't be so bad if they targeted the right people.  Leave the innocent people allow and go after the shady bankers and politicians that truly fucked this country over.
We aren't taught common sense anymore. Besides, if anymore Gabby G's happen anymore that's a guaranteed marshal law and 8pm curfew.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Megalodon on August 25, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
This shooting may have been initially misreported. It sounds like they are now reporting that the gunman only shot 1 person and the rest were injured by ricochet or fragmented objects due to police fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

"Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the bystanders were not hit directly by police, but rather the officers' struck "flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that's what caused the wounds."

Earlier Friday, Bloomberg told reporters that some of the wounded may have been inadvertently hit in the crossfire or by ricocheting bullets."
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: mass243 on August 25, 2012, 10:30:48 AM


Yes, police apparently shot most of the people   :-\


US police strong !!!!11
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: BB on August 25, 2012, 12:41:58 PM
Anyone think the shooter looks a bit like Suck My Muscle -

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1144270.1345889143!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/large-jeffrey-johnson.jpg).
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Schnauzer on August 25, 2012, 12:44:10 PM
I wish the cops would have shot that Naked Cowboy guy
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: 240 is Back on August 25, 2012, 12:51:55 PM
wait - so there was ONE or TWO dead on the sidewalk?   Did the police KILL anyone beside the bad guy?
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: BB on August 25, 2012, 01:02:24 PM
wait - so there was ONE or TWO dead on the sidewalk?   Did the police KILL anyone beside the bad guy?

The grey suit guy is the bad guy. The guy with the huge head wound is the original victim of the grey suit. Both died on the sidewalks about a block away from each other.

All shot by the police besides the killer, were hit in non vital areas - Feet, legs, arms, etc...... A lot were hit from fragments or ricochets.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: hrspwr on August 25, 2012, 01:13:00 PM
Bad guy 1

Cops 10  - makes me really want to visit the big hassle.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: dj181 on August 25, 2012, 01:15:21 PM
Why are these shooters going after innocent people?  Why not go after the fuckers that caused them distress in the first place like the wall street bankers?

outstanding post 8)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: Jaime on August 25, 2012, 02:23:42 PM

Hey everybody, let's play, GUESS THE RACE!!!!! :D


Hahaha this game kills me.  :D
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: deadz on August 25, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
Just Another Day In America




Hardly surprising news.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: mass243 on August 25, 2012, 02:54:48 PM


(http://i45.tinypic.com/345xyio.jpg)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: bighead on August 25, 2012, 03:02:29 PM
::)

(http://nathan-lee.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/tinfoil-hat.jpg)

3 this summer in the U.S.A?? you dont find that peculiar? They want your guns my friend. Lets play guess his psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: bighead on August 25, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
(http://realestatedecline.com/ExpertsAgreeGunControl.jpg)
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: booty on August 25, 2012, 05:25:51 PM
Just Another Day In America




Hardly surprising news.
Sadly, the truth!
Title: Re: Multiple people hit in a shooting near the Empire State building
Post by: mass243 on August 26, 2012, 02:15:37 AM
Sadly, the truth!



IMO it's better they are killing each other than innocent civilians on the other side of the earth.


Of course it would be best if no one was killed but that's out of question with yankee-bros.  They need blood.