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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Your Average GymRat on September 03, 2012, 02:05:48 PM
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Let's face it. Phil Heath's reign as Mr. Olympia has been a non inspiring 50 or so weeks of relative anonymity. Aside from a few derisive comments about his unnatural appearance, nobody discusses the guy. Not like Arnold, Lee, Dorian, Ronnie, etc. Phil Heath is a nobody who has failed to bring any charisma or excitement to the title. Worse than Dexter, which I didn't think could be possible. Why is Heath so insignificant? Why do the fans not connect with Heath in a meaningful way?
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i imagine with you its likely his skin colour :-\
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Dexter Jackson is easily the shittiest O of them all. Did he even lift a finger during that year?
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Let's face it. Phil Heath's reign as Mr. Olympia has been a non inspiring 50 or so weeks of relative anonymity. Aside from a few derisive comments about his unnatural appearance, nobody discusses the guy. Not like Arnold, Lee, Dorian, Ronnie, etc. Phil Heath is a nobody who has failed to bring any charisma or excitement to the title. Worse than Dexter, which I didn't think could be possible. Why is Heath so insignificant? Why do the fans not connect with Heath in a meaningful way?
Some Mr Olympias never had the charisma and image with the fans to create a buzz and devoted fan base.
Yates didn't have the most friendly , open , talkative personality BUT many fans loved the guy.
He was able to tap into some hardcore aspect that fans loved and could identify with.
Plus, the IFBB/NPC is promoting a lot of NON bodybuilding stuff right now ( MPD boardshorts, bikini, etc).
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People don't like him because they are fucking sheep and their sheephearder gh15 said so , Heath is in a league of his own right now and if he continues to come in on point he will continue to win
Any comments about him being narrow or having a weak chest is redundant it doesn't matter overall he's the best guy competing right now
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People don't like him because they are fucking sheep and their sheephearder gh15 said so , Heath is in a league of his own right now and if he continues to come in on point he will continue to win
Any comments about him being narrow or having a weak chest is redundant it doesn't matter overall he's the best guy competing right now
What would he need to do to surpass Ronnie or Dorian?
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What would he need to do to surpass Ronnie or Dorian?
He can't , might beat Dorian on Olympia wins doubt he'll touch Ronnie
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He can't , might beat Dorian on Olympia wins doubt he'll touch Ronnie
I just wondered what he lacked physique wise in comparison to those two. Is it possible he can fulfill the criteria more than either did?
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He can't , might beat Dorian on Olympia wins doubt he'll touch Ronnie
So, Hulkster wins?
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I just wondered what he lacked physique wise in comparison to those two. Is it possible he can fulfill the criteria more than either did?
he meets it great compared to the guys he's competing with. Where Ronnie & Dorian murder him is width , clavicle with and lat width. Dorian and Ronnie kill him in the latspreads , standing relaxed , and the ab-thigh
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People don't like him because they are fucking sheep and their sheephearder gh15 said so , Heath is in a league of his own right now and if he continues to come in on point he will continue to win
Any comments about him being narrow or having a weak chest is redundant it doesn't matter overall he's the best guy competing right now
Pretty much this.
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he meets it great compared to the guys he's competing with. Where Ronnie & Dorian murder him is width , clavicle with and lat width. Dorian and Ronnie kill him in the latspreads , standing relaxed , and the ab-thigh
I don't understand why you post utter tripe (the first sentence in your first comment in this thread) and then proceed to point out exactly why people don't necessarily like him. I'm not around enough to witness what you're reacting to so perhaps there are some idiots saying he shouldn't be champion. That's irrelevant to me. I just don't like how he compares, structurally to the two great bodybuilders in recent memory.
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The short answer? He's gay. And not like secret schmoe gay, openly gay. That's not good for the session craving queens, I'm sure part of it is the chase.
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he meets it great compared to the guys he's competing with. Where Ronnie & Dorian murder him is width , clavicle with and lat width. Dorian and Ronnie kill him in the latspreads , standing relaxed , and the ab-thigh
So does Dennis Wolf.
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Honestly, I don't think he's very interesting. Great physique- but nothing to say about training that's interesting or relevant. Isn't a philosophical rambler ala Kai or Mentzer, isnt particularly intelllectual, or controversial. His win was great - for him.
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Because he makes it look easy
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I think its less about his physique and more to do with the fact that what competes today is not very good. You look at Ronnie than you look at Phil and there is no comparison. Phil will never be a ronnie and probably never a dorian or haney. Sure, he is the best NOW competing among todays pros. But people will often look to the past to compare and he is not in the same league as other mr. O's. Like I said, I think it has more to do with the dwindling competition. If heath competed in the early 90s, he would definitely not be Mr. O. He might not even crack top 6.
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The short answer? He's gay. And not like secret schmoe gay, openly gay. That's not good for the session craving queens, I'm sure part of it is the chase.
I think he's married to a slightly-above-average-looking white woman.
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To me he just comes off as rather full of himself, which has a way of diatancing you from the common fan.
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no one cares about bodybuilding anymore, it's not just phil. the sport has been completely exposed (within getbig) as a necessarily fraudulent activity.
people are tired of these meat mountains, who only serve to dilute their fond memories of the 90s.
but speaking on phil specifically: he's ugly, probably gay, and has the bone structure of a woman. not hard to see why he hasn't made much of a splash...
no one will have any real interest in an O until the invention of some crazy technology that allows people to pack on another 50 lbs of lean mass, mark my words. and then, things will have passed so far beyond the point-of-no-justification that even the schmoes might start to recoil a bit.
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People are jealous of his physique so they endlessly nick pick to find something wrong. People who are perceived to have it easy like Heath are always going to attract negative attention. All he ever had to do is stick a needle in his ass and grow. Nature already did the rest for him.
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If the posts I read on this website are to be believed, everyone and everything is wider than Phil Heath.
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People are jealous of his physique so they endlessly nick pick to find something wrong. People who are perceived to have it easy like Heath are always going to attract negative attention. All he ever had to do is stick a needle in his ass and grow. Nature already did the rest for him.
People have their favorites and are more than willing to overlook their flaws and concentrate on their strengths and when Phil wins they harp on his flaws and proof of their hero's superiority and how their hero was victimized
Phil is the complete package even with his flaws and people are gonna have a fuck of a time beating him , Phil is not unbeatable though but he's on point and really starting to come into his own
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Phil doesnt
train himself
do his own
nutrition or
drug stacks
he can only
be the face
of bodybuilding
not the
voice
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Phil doesnt
train himself
do his own
nutrition or
drug stacks
he can only
be the face
of bodybuilding
not the
voice
People don't
open threads
expecting to
have to read
stupid broken
responses like
yours. Clearly
you have the
penis always
on your mind
so much that
you compose
phalic replies
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I think he's married to a slightly-above-average-looking white woman.
Dont mean a thing. That fool carrys purses and gets his nails done. We need Onemore to comment on this.
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People in general who resort to steroids are boring, dull and not interesting and use their body to garner attention and express their individualism. That's why. All a bodybuilder thinks about is drugs, food, sex and more drugs, what can a guy like this talk about ?
From mr O to the avarage gym rat, they share it in common and they are a chore to talk to, always talking about what they ate and what they will train which no one cares about, high light of the day is training ect, they upload shirtless pictures on facebook because they have zero persona and see this as a way of getting laid, however it rarely works and they get with some shallow slut as best, and always wonder why they cannot find a girl friend, which has to do with the fact that girls don't go for boring and uneducated guys who work some pathetic, plebeian job.
Go to any good university and you will notice there is no gym rats there ( or at least the ones who use steroids).
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People don't
open threads
expecting to
have to read
stupid broken
responses like
yours. Clearly
you have the
penis always
on your mind
so much that
you compose
phalic replies
Hahaha! ;D
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Because hes the current champ. Look back on here from years ago when Coleman was 'pregnant,no calves,talks like an uneducated hick''. He received just as much bashing, but now hes just remembered as the greatest ever. Thats just how it works.
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To think he's only been seriously bbing for less than 10 years!
Team Heath 8)
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Let's face it. Phil Heath's reign as Mr. Olympia has been a non inspiring 50 or so weeks of relative anonymity. Aside from a few derisive comments about his unnatural appearance, nobody discusses the guy. Not like Arnold, Lee, Dorian, Ronnie, etc. Phil Heath is a nobody who has failed to bring any charisma or excitement to the title. Worse than Dexter, which I didn't think could be possible. Why is Heath so insignificant? Why do the fans not connect with Heath in a meaningful way?
What kind of inspiration do you need? That man is travelling the world making appearances. Actually, MORE people dicuss Phil thanks to the internet.
He DOMINATED the O last year and will do so again.
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So how come nobody talks about Dexter favorably? According to your argument, he should be a legend now.
Because he's only won it once and he's still competing.
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To me he just comes off as rather full of himself, which has a way of diatancing you from the common fan.
To me, he's actually quite humble, compared to an early Flex Wheeler. The vids that let you see his life are good, but some might mistake for being full of himself (the Bentley, the LV luggage, the manicures, pedicures, sneaker collection). It's different, who wants to see the same old "talk about weights".
And this dude is always out there with the fans, talking to people, and seems like he is very down to earth.
He said in his first vid, that when he'd train he'd download Ronne or Dorian vids and watch them, like when he doing cardio or for motivation.
He seems like he watches a ton of SportsCenter.
As one person said, he makes it all seem "easy" vs Ronnie. Now if you look at Ronnie and Dorian now, especially Ronnie, they are all broke down, Phil wants longevity, the hardcore way means you tear and break your body down.
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So how come nobody talks about Dexter favorably? According to your argument, he should be a legend now.
What I'm saying is the current champ always has and always will get criticized. Thats just the nature of bodybuilding and bodybuilding fans. Do you honestly think there will be a day all getbigger's give praise to a Mr O? LOL never going to happen. Thats just what happens when your #1 in this 'sport'
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Honestly, I don't think he's very interesting. Great physique- but nothing to say about training that's interesting or relevant. Isn't a philosophical rambler ala Kai or Mentzer, isnt particularly intelllectual, or controversial. His win was great - for him.
So, a chess master isn't worth following if he doesn't have a stage-worthy physique!?
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"Nose", head(inetrchangeable), "man" purse
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People don't
open threads
expecting to
have to read
stupid broken
responses like
yours. Clearly
you have the
penis always
on your mind
so much that
you compose
phalic replies
Maybe he's posting from a "smart" phone with a 1-inch screen Big Cyp.
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He can't , might beat Dorian on Olympia wins doubt he'll touch Ronnie
??? so if he beats Dorian that means 7 wins so he can't win 8?
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People are jealous of his physique so they endlessly nick pick to find something wrong. People who are perceived to have it easy like Heath are always going to attract negative attention. All he ever had to do is stick a needle in his ass and grow. Nature already did the rest for him.
Good points and may account for some of Heath's lack of enthusiastic fans?
Heath is known as "the gift". That implies his bodybuilding success is due largely due his genetic talent for bodybuilding.
Phil Heath didn't struggle for years in the NPC ranks trying to go pro. He won pro shows shortly after entering the pro ranks.
When it was his shot to win, he did, after Jay stumbled with an upper arm injury.
People want to root for someone who either struggled or is a unique character.
It is like a very pretty girl going to the prom and being crowned queen. The other girls might admire her, but nobody gets too excited when she wins. It seemed obvious and was too easy.
Here is my breakdown of the unique appeal of various Olympians:
1.Dorian Yates was one of the most popular Mr Olympias and he was NOT a very talkative , warm guy with fans.
His whole image was based on the idea of being an iron warrior traning in a dungeon.
He was known as "the shadow" and that image of emerging from his dungeon as a complete freak each yr appealed to fans.
Yates personified the ultra , hardcore ideals of winning via intense training, grainy conditioning and drug use.
2. Arnold was the man and just had that size andcharisma that demanded attention and respect. Plus Arnold was a funny guy who could win support from any group.
3. Frank Zane won his three Olypias by having incredible shape , blance and being ripped to shreds. He wasn't the biggest guy but won by superior conditioning. Beating the giants made him popular with the masses.
4. Lee Haney was the soft spoken "awwshucks" sincere , decent man. Plus he had the greatest physique of his era and dominated the stage. He took the Olympia stage with a sense of class and dignity.
5. Ronnie Coleman is a larger then life persona in person. Ronnie was beyond belief in his prime. He was a cop, Div I linebacker and earned his way up the pro ranks to be Mr Olympia. Ronnie was a big, fun, friendly man that always seemed to enjoy being a bodybuilder , in and out of the gym. I can sum his appeal for me as Mr Olym;pia with ease.
Hardcore bodybuilders could show NON bodybuilders pics ofr videos of Ronnie or see him in person at an expo.
You could sit back, point at big Ronnie and say ; " That's Mr Olympia!" Then sit back and look at the awe and OMG look from the other person.
6. Jay Cutler is popular because Jay has incredible people skills. Plus, he is a big guy that represents what hardcore bodybuilding is all about. Being big, wide and massive with incredible legs.
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To me, he's actually quite humble, compared to an early Flex Wheeler. The vids that let you see his life are good, but some might mistake for being full of himself (the Bentley, the LV luggage, the manicures, pedicures, sneaker collection). It's different, who wants to see the same old "talk about weights".
And this dude is always out there with the fans, talking to people, and seems like he is very down to earth.
He said in his first vid, that when he'd train he'd download Ronne or Dorian vids and watch them, like when he doing cardio or for motivation.
He seems like he watches a ton of SportsCenter.
As one person said, he makes it all seem "easy" vs Ronnie. Now if you look at Ronnie and Dorian now, especially Ronnie, they are all broke down, Phil wants longevity, the hardcore way means you tear and break your body down.
Phil might be too low key and laid back?
When Arnold or big Ronnie walked in , their presence just owned the room.
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Phil might be too low key and laid back?
When Arnold or big Ronnie walked in , their presence just owned the room.
When any Mr. Olympia walks in a room, you notice them. People dont realize what these guys look like in person. Its mind blowing. People say Phil is narrow, but in person, he is wide...maybe not when compared to Wolf or Kai, but Phil is BIG. And he gets very detailed and dry.
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Maybe he's posting from a "smart" phone with a 1-inch screen Big Cyp.
Maybe he's posting from a samsung note and has a 1" penis Hulkotron?
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people don't like him because he is the face of a weak era in bodybuilding, and you could argue there was at least 5 - 7 guys that would've beaten him in the 90's
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Good points and may account for some of Heath's lack of enthusiastic fans?
Heath is known as "the gift". That implies his bodybuilding success is due largely due his genetic talent for bodybuilding.
Phil Heath didn't struggle for years in the NPC ranks trying to go pro. He won pro shows shortly after entering the pro ranks.
When it was his shot to win, he did, after Jay stumbled with an upper arm injury.
People want to root for someone who either struggled or is a unique character.
It is like a very pretty girl going to the prom and being crowned queen. The other girls might admire her, but nobody gets too excited when she wins. It seemed obvious and was too easy.
Here is my breakdown of the unique appeal of various Olympians:
1.Dorian Yates was one of the most popular Mr Olympias and he was NOT a very talkative , warm guy with fans.
His whole image was based on the idea of being an iron warrior traning in a dungeon.
He was known as "the shadow" and that image of emerging from his dungeon as a complete freak each yr appealed to fans.
Yates personified the ultra , hardcore ideals of winning via intense training, grainy conditioning and drug use.
2. Arnold was the man and just had that size andcharisma that demanded attention and respect. Plus Arnold was a funny guy who could win support from any group.
3. Frank Zane won his three Olypias by having incredible shape , blance and being ripped to shreds. He wasn't the biggest guy but won by superior conditioning. Beating the giants made him popular with the masses.
4. Lee Haney was the soft spoken "awwshucks" sincere , decent man. Plus he had the greatest physique of his era and dominated the stage. He took the Olympia stage with a sense of class and dignity.
5. Ronnie Coleman is a larger then life persona in person. Ronnie was beyond belief in his prime. He was a cop, Div I linebacker and earned his way up the pro ranks to be Mr Olympia. Ronnie was a big, fun, friendly man that always seemed to enjoy being a bodybuilder , in and out of the gym. I can sum his appeal for me as Mr Olym;pia with ease.
Hardcore bodybuilders could show NON bodybuilders pics ofr videos of Ronnie or see him in person at an expo.
You could sit back, point at big Ronnie and say ; " That's Mr Olympia!" Then sit back and look at the awe and OMG look from the other person.
6. Jay Cutler is popular because Jay has incredible people skills. Plus, he is a big guy that represents what hardcore bodybuilding is all about. Being big, wide and massive with incredible legs.
good job howie,,
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He's no Ronnie Coleman. Plain and simple. Ronnie will be the measure for all future Mr. O's. If you don't measure up to Ronnie, its just another bodybuilder.
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Phil like Richard Jones didn't have to earn their way up the NPC ranks, because the quality is terrible.
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??? so if he beats Dorian that means 7 wins so he can't win 8?
Touch Ronnie as is 9 or more
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To me he just comes off as rather full of himself, which has a way of diatancing you from the common fan.
From his youtube videos of him flashing benjamins, to his faggy voice, to his subpar physique...what is there to like about the guy?
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phil is good with fans, he is more popular than dexter jackson when he was mr .o
stop hating
start swalloving.
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What would he need to do to surpass Ronnie or Dorian?
Phil will need to win the O more times that Ronnie or Dorian. Example, if bb "X" won it 3 times then bb "Y" would need to win it 4 times to surpass bb "X". It's math.
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They just mad cus Phil is living the Black Man Dream
(http://www.vegasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/Phil_Jennie_Heath.jpg2-570.jpg)
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They just mad cus Phil is living the Black Man Dream
(http://www.vegasnews.com/wp-content/uploads/Phil_Jennie_Heath.jpg2-570.jpg)
exactly, they are all jelly and only repeat again and again
"he is narrow"
LOL!!
Heath will take 5 olympias easy.
his 2 coming soon.
You mad haters?