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Getbig Main Boards => General Topics => Topic started by: The True Adonis on September 15, 2012, 08:14:22 PM
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Dont you get like 48 virgins when you die?
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This was taken in Australia today.
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Dont you get like 48 virgins when you die?
Nobody gets anything when they die. Death is not a gameshow.
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It's called brainwashing. It's the cornerstone of all religion. :D
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Because they're the religion of peace, of course!
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Nobody gets anything when they die. Death is not a gameshow.
Fuck. So are you telling me that my conversion was pointless? :(
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All I know is this: You could make fun of any religion, mock it, whatever. Most religious people will bitch and moan. However, you say something about Allah, and motherfuckers be chopping heads off. Look at all the ruckus they caused about that movie. Talk about really being devoted to your faith.
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This was taken in Australia today.
That is fucking disgusting. Australia needs to man up and torch these savages.
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They don't choose. They are born and raised in that religion, as is the case in most religions.
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Nobody gets anything when they die. Death is not a gameshow.
LMAO. That was beautiful. If that isn't a sig, nothing is.
Also, Heywood's right. Most peeps are just born into a religion and rarely cultivate differing viewpoints. Fundamentalism is the real enemy anyways; it's just that certain religions have way, way more of them.
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They don't choose. They are born and raised in that religion, as is the case in most religions.
Bullshit. As you age, remaining ignorant is a choice, especially when given facts and evidence.
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Bullshit. As you age, remaining ignorant is a choice, especially when given facts and evidence.
Yeah but at what age are you talking about? 12y/o? The older you get, the more difficult it becomes to break old habits. I am not saying it can't be done, but its definitely more difficult.
Plus, remember, many people may have "broken" away from religion, but still stay connected due to fears of persecution.
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Because there is a thing call freedom of choice, the world is not set around your point of view.
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Bullshit. As you age, remaining ignorant is a choice, especially when given facts and evidence.
You are reflecting the your own culture and assuming everyone else is the same.
You are missing the point that in many societies, your religion is who you are. It's not something you change like your underwear.
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Because you might be able to become President of the USA.
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This was taken in Australia today.
Sad Picture imo, while Most boys his age are in the backyard of their homes playing with Tonka toys, this Little Boy has been Given that type of Sign to hold up for the world to see by his Parents witch is Disturbing, the Riots here in Sydney Came on fast yesterday and was Contained more or less reasonably Quickly, Tensions and Resentment with the Muslim Community's and the Rest of the Country are being played out in the Media again and again on the News
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Because it gives you higher testosterone levels for maximum training results. ;D ha ha ha :P
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This was taken in Australia today.
Like to hear the goatfucker known as Sherief Salaby weigh in on the topic....
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Nail on the head. Every other religion seems to tolerate their detractors without resulting to behaving like spoiled brats, but not the Muslims.
Said something we don't like!? Time to destroy shit and cry like bitches!
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Why would I choose to pray 6 times a day, when I need to eat 6 times a day to keep this kind of crazy muscle mass?
Silly rug mechants.
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Like to hear the goatfucker known as Sherief Salaby weigh in on the topic....
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;D ;D Oh no you did not.
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Yeah Sometimes you gotta lift up that left leg to work it from a better angle. Respect.
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I hope these savages are antagonized until they self destruct!
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I'm an atheist so not too keen on any religion, but I have studied the big ones and Islam is actually one of the best IMO. It really is a religion of peace.
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disprove their book and you have converted 1 billion people to atheism
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Apenis,
Despite your best efforts to appear otherwise you are one of the most ignorant getbiggers. You are also one of the countless people who eat with sperm and peanut-butter the propaganda that the powers that be serve you on a warm piece of toast. I however, am well aware that you are allergic to peanuts.
Muslims are portrayed as evil savages and revengeful fanatics EVERYWHERE. They imprint your brain with these kind of lies and you start believing it as your own thoughts and the truth.
Of course, reality is different. There are as many bad apples amongst christians as there are amongst muslims. This is the worst kind of generalization: religion based selective discrimination.
Influencing people's opinion this way, you gladly accept your government's murderous actions when they invade and occupy a muslim country under the disguise of freedom fighting.
The very people who are supposed to protect you are the real terrorists, and the army do their dirty work aka "killing".
You obviously are a very narrow minded individual and are not very familiar with people outside you parents slave plantation.
I will never judge a person based on the religious denomination that they were born under whether they practice religion or not, and I will never generalize. I know, and have met, many great individuals of muslim faith.
You also have no clue about the islamic religion and about religion in general. Like any other aspect of life it has been manipulated to fit the agenda of those who rule.
Like yourself, there are many ignorant people here on getbig, wether americans or from another country. I hope the getbiggers who are of muslim faith do not judge americans based on a few limited individuals.
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You say anyone not following Islam will burn in hell for eternity etc etc. Ok. BUT how about these isolated tribes like in the Amazon, they dont know about Islam, is it fair for them to burn in hell? How are they supposed to follow something they dont know exists?
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They destroyed 6 American fighter jets and damaged two in Afghanistan this Friday.
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in prison, i read the old and new testament and quran, out of sheer boredom.
the quran is quite peacefull book, and like the other 2, up to definition.
not as bad as many ppl think.
however, all religions are pure bullshit anyway.
its the bestselling fairytales book worldwide, nothing more.
Did you do time for public fellatio?
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Bullshit. As you age, remaining ignorant is a choice, especially when given facts and evidence.
Apparently you've never been in a Muslim country, yet you have an opinion about people in those countries and their choice to be Muslim or not. You really are a dumb-ass.
Educate yourself on this before stating an "opinion".
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They destroyed 6 American fighter jets and damaged two in Afghanistan this Friday.
You are confusing Muslims with insurgents.
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in prison, i read the old and new testament and quran, out of sheer boredom.
the quran is quite peacefull book, and like the other 2, up to definition.
not as bad as many ppl think.
however, all religions are pure bullshit anyway.
its the bestselling fairytales book worldwide, nothing more.
??? You were in Prison? What for? Have you told this tale on getbig before and I missed it?
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My opininion is that Islam is one of the most violent religions. Sure the majority are peaceful, but you don't see other religions starting riots and beheading people.
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My opininion is that Islam is one of the most violent religions. Sure the majority are peaceful, but you don't see other religions starting riots and beheading people.
Christians did much worse in the past...
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And what about people who lived before Islam was invented? :D
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nah, you confused me there with your mother, bro
i been in nicks on various occasions, but only the swiss ones offers such religious variety :D
the last time was for a weed garden
Glad you are now a free man cruising getbig and pounding vag!
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You say anyone not following Islam will burn in hell for eternity etc etc. Ok. BUT how about these isolated tribes like in the Amazon, they dont know about Islam, is it fair for them to burn in hell? How are they supposed to follow something they dont know exists?
Actually Muslims do not say this. Maybe some fundamentalist say that but I have read the Koran and it says that your good has to outweigh your bad,like a balance and then you are accepted in heaven. Not a Muslim and do not care for their belief but you should research at least the basics if you are going to ask such question.
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Christians did much worse in the past...
We all did much worse in the past. Most people have evolved to realise that you don't kill people in the name of religion. I guess some Muslims didn't get that memo.
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This was taken in Australia today.
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Actually Muslims do not say this. Maybe some fundamentalist say that but I have read the Koran and it says that your good has to outweigh your bad,like a balance and then you are accepted in heaven. Not a Muslim and do not care for their belief but you should research at least the basics if you are going to ask such question.
Holy shit! Maybe thats why some of these crazy bastards are doing this. They figure lopping off a couple infidel heads, won't outweigh the good that they do ::)
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You say anyone not following Islam will burn in hell for eternity etc etc. Ok. BUT how about these isolated tribes like in the Amazon, they dont know about Islam, is it fair for them to burn in hell? How are they supposed to follow something they dont know exists?
Ignorance is no excuse, and they certainly won't be going to Heaven. ;D
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I think the problem is these ignorant racists don't have any Muslim friends. If they get some then their hate should cease, at least their overt hate. Kind of like how must americans now accept blacks because most of us have black friends we love.
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Are any of these Muslims bodybuilders?
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Holy shit! Maybe thats why some of these crazy bastards are doing this. They figure lopping off a couple infidel heads, won't outweigh the good that they do ::)
No cause they think doing such things adds to the good side of the balance
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I think the problem is these ignorant racists don't have any Muslim friends. If they get some then their hate should cease, at least their overt hate. Kind of like how must americans now accept blacks because most of us have black friends we love.
I would say more toleration in a work place. The majority of white Americans hate blacks and want nothing to do with them.
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And what about people who lived before Islam was invented? :D
Haha good point.
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Haha good point.
Before Religion! Family guy style!
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All I know is this: You could make fun of any religion, mock it, whatever. Most religious people will bitch and moan. However, you say something about Allah, and motherfuckers be chopping heads off. Look at all the ruckus they caused about that movie. Talk about really being devoted to your faith.
They act like animals because they are full of fear. They may be devoted to the faith but their actions tell me their faith is on really shaky ground.
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lmao ;D
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Idiocy, racism and basically ignorants aplenty in this thread.
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You say anyone not following Islam will burn in hell for eternity etc etc. Ok. BUT how about these isolated tribes like in the Amazon, they dont know about Islam, is it fair for them to burn in hell? How are they supposed to follow something they dont know exists?
The older you get the more you understand that the word "Fair" is none existing in any religion.
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Nail on the head. Every other religion seems to tolerate their detractors without resulting to behaving like spoiled brats, but not the Muslims.
Said something we don't like!? Time to destroy shit and cry like bitches!
Christianity didn't tolerate Muslims in the crusades and the romans liked feeding Christians to the lions for sport. I would say that the Jews didn't like Jesus's new teachings but it's debatable if mr. Christ was even a historical figure or made up.
Islam is the newest of the monotheistic religions and I'd going through it's" violent patch".
the quran isnt any more violent than the other religions it just has a fanatic fraction that read it literally and believe beheading another person is acceptable in their gods eyes.
now I don't believe in god being an atheist, but let's pretend for a minute there is a god, I don't believe a god would condone the murder of another person.
just saying
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We should obiterate their world, burn their villages, kill their children, nuke their countries and destroy all traces of their existence back to the begining of time. That'll teach them to reign in their savage behavior.
A am morally superior and it feels great!
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You say anyone not following Islam will burn in hell for eternity etc etc. Ok. BUT how about these isolated tribes like in the Amazon, they dont know about Islam, is it fair for them to burn in hell? How are they supposed to follow something they dont know exists?
my question is at what point were souls dished out. Adam and eve? well we know that's not true, so at what stage of the evolution tree did "god" decide to give out souls?
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what Kind of Prophet would make his followers believe that Violence will get you a spot in paradise and the promise to sleep with so and so Virgins........this Absurdity is overwhelming and these Muslim fanatics are surely Naive.....I'm sure there are Good muslims, but these Extremists are making this a religion of Hell
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The fact is that most religions are based on fear. They were invented to keep the small masses in their place.
Look at Christians. You will burn in hell unless you worship God. He is a great guy who will burn you if you don't like him.
Muslem faith, kill the christians or you will burn in hell. If Salmon Rushtie writes a book which is negative to allah you must kill him or you will burn in hell.
All the peabrained folk in the world are afraid of death and will do anything not to go to hell. Doesnt matter if they are muslems in iran or bible bashin rednecks in southern USA who believe the world is 5000 years old. All terrified little people manipulated by the powers that be. Shame for them.
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I accepted a long time ago i will burn in Hell... ;D
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I accepted a long time ago i will burn in Hell... ;D
Donny remember the quote in Blackadder during the puritan times.
"The cold weather is gods way of telling us to burn more catholics"
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You are confusing Muslims with insurgents.
And the difference would be???
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Donny remember the quote in Blackadder during the puritan times.
"The cold weather is gods way of telling us to burn more catholics"
;D canīt really remember it AL...
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Christians did much worse in the past...
Key words here "in the past" as in a couple centuries ago and longer. Other religions have similar history. Most grew up/evolved.
Muslims are still in the dark ages and will continue to remain there. I don't see an "enlightenment" for them anytime soon unless it is delivered by General Dymanics and guided by Ratheon.
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I give you lol's for that one, fuckface. ;D
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because you get to strong-arm the rest of the civilized world into feeding you, housing you, give you clothes, money and the privilege of living side by side with white people.
case in point: Europe.
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;D canīt really remember it AL...
Check it out, fuckin great... ;D
Pure piss take of christianity and puritainism which is similar to islam today.
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Key words here "in the past" as in a couple centuries ago and longer. Other religions have similar history. Most grew up/evolved.
Muslims are still in the dark ages and will continue to remain there. I don't see an "enlightenment" for them anytime soon unless it is delivered by General Dymanics and guided by Ratheon.
That last line was awesome. ;D
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Agree with the religion not, but you have to agree with the fact muslims stand up for their beliefs and values. Fuck with them and they wont let it go. christians however let every piece of 3rd world shit take over their countries and change their ways. Islam is making more sense lately
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Key words here "in the past" as in a couple centuries ago and longer. Other religions have similar history. Most grew up/evolved.
Muslims are still in the dark ages and will continue to remain there. I don't see an "enlightenment" for them anytime soon unless it is delivered by General Dymanics and guided by Ratheon.
The fact is when Christianity was synonym of terror in Europa, islamic territories appeared to be more "pacifist" or at least, less intolerant.
Today, Christians or their descendants judge a part of the world for acts their ancestors comited on a larger scale whereas at this time, this same part of the world would have the right to blame your ancestors.
It's not a question of dark age, the problem is this generation is influenced by obscure persons like fascism or communism were the dominant ideologies for most europeans only 70 years ago, like racial segregation only started to decrease from the 60's in USA etc...
Everything can change radically again...
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Apenis,
Despite your best efforts to appear otherwise you are one of the most ignorant getbiggers. You are also one of the countless people who eat with sperm and peanut-butter the propaganda that the powers that be serve you on a warm piece of toast. I however, am well aware that you are allergic to peanuts.
Muslims are portrayed as evil savages and revengeful fanatics EVERYWHERE. They imprint your brain with these kind of lies and you start believing it as your own thoughts and the truth.
Of course, reality is different. There are as many bad apples amongst christians as there are amongst muslims. This is the worst kind of generalization: religion based selective discrimination.
Influencing people's opinion this way, you gladly accept your government's murderous actions when they invade and occupy a muslim country under the disguise of freedom fighting.
The very people who are supposed to protect you are the real terrorists, and the army do their dirty work aka "killing".
You obviously are a very narrow minded individual and are not very familiar with people outside you parents slave plantation.
I will never judge a person based on the religious denomination that they were born under whether they practice religion or not, and I will never generalize. I know, and have met, many great individuals of muslim faith.
You also have no clue about the islamic religion and about religion in general. Like any other aspect of life it has been manipulated to fit the agenda of those who rule.
Like yourself, there are many ignorant people here on getbig, wether americans or from another country. I hope the getbiggers who are of muslim faith do not judge americans based on a few limited individuals.
sev failing miserably to be intelligent in this post while maintaining he is a lizard
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Gh15 must be muslim....he wants to kill everyone that disagrees with him. :D
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a religious nutcase is a nutcase, no matter in which god he believes.
Leave pellius out of this!! >:(
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Nobody has answered the question- what is the benefit?
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Nobody has answered the question- what is the benefit?
the benefit in the uk is that you are allowed to preach hate and terrorism without reprisal because of political correctness
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Nobody has answered the question- what is the benefit?
No showers, sex with many wives and you get to destroy the neighborhood you immigrated to by screaming racism every time you are offended and nobody will blame you cause they don't want you to jihad their ass.
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No showers, sex with many wives and you get to destroy the neighborhood you immigrated to by screaming racism every time you are offended and nobody will blame you cause they don't want you to jihad their ass.
Let them try that shit around here.
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Let them try that shit around here.
lol says the biggest coward that puts people in jail for typing words, OK tough guy.
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lol says the biggest coward that puts people in jail for typing words, OK tough guy.
Stow that tongue, unless you want to end up in the pokey. :D
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lol says the biggest coward that puts people in jail for typing words, OK tough guy.
Exactly. They will end up in jail or worse for destroying property, harming innocent citizens and threatening violence. Just like your friend.
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Stow that tongue, unless you want to end up in the pokey. :D
Trust me I have looked over his posts and I don't cross the line, everything I say or call him he has called others. But that is awesome advise and it should go to everyone on getbig...
WHEN DEALING WITH OUR VERY OWN RESIDENT RAT BOY TREAD CARFULLY ;)
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Trust me I have looked over his posts and I don't cross the line, everything I say or call him he has called others. But that is awesome advise and it should go to everyone on getbig...
WHEN DEALING WITH OUR VERY OWN RESIDENT RAT BOY TREAD CARFULLY ;)
do you think anything goes on here or is there a line that shouldnt be crossed?
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Exactly. They will end up in jail or worse for destroying property, harming innocent citizens and threatening violence. Just like your friend.
My friend?..... I don't even know the guy, never have even been in a thread with him, he is not even aware of my existence and to by perfectly honest I don't even give a shit about the guy. And that should tell you how fucked up your calling the cops on him is when some complete stranger like me is telling you all this.
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My friend?..... I don't even know the guy, never have even been in a thread with him, he is not even aware of my existence and to by perfectly honest I don't even give a shit about the guy. And that should tell you how fucked up your calling the cops on him is when some complete stranger like me is telling you all this.
To be fair Josh is a complete fucking piece of shit, threatens women, stalks people, just a general in-valid.
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My friend?..... I don't even know the guy, never have even been in a thread with him, he is not even aware of my existence and to by perfectly honest I don't even give a shit about the guy. And that should tell you how fucked up your calling the cops on him is when some complete stranger like me is telling you all this.
You don`t even know all the details you religious loon.
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do you think anything goes on here or is there a line that shouldnt be crossed?
You reap what you sow. If there is some humble dude here minding his own and some tough guy pulls a stunt on him and he feels threaten then by all means get the authorities involved. But if you are some fucken joker loser who constantly is mocking and humiliating members here and has acted like an ALPHA from day one an pushes and provokes people left right and center and is a big asshole, what right does he have to call the cops, why not just squash the beef or stop instigating, simple.
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You reap what you sow. If there is some humble dude here minding his own and some tough guy pulls a stunt on him and he feels threaten then by all means get the authorities involved. But if you are some fucken joker loser who constantly is mocking and humiliating members here and has acted like an ALPHA from day one an pushes and provokes people left right and center and is a big asshole, what right does he have to call the cops, why not just squash the beef or stop instigating, simple.
I get it now. Your type of mentality is precisely the same as the Radical Muslims. By your rationale, you think the filmmakers and anyone who taunts the religion of Islam should "reap what the sow" and deserves all the violence and threats directed towards them.
You have the EXACT same mentality as the Radical Muslim apologist. What did I expect, you are just another religious moron yourself who advocates vigilante violence over justice and fails to even obey the teachings of the moron you deify and worship.
Little difference between you and a jidhadist.
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You reap what you sow. If there is some humble dude here minding his own and some tough guy pulls a stunt on him and he feels threaten then by all means get the authorities involved. But if you are some fucken joker loser who constantly is mocking and humiliating members here and has acted like an ALPHA from day one an pushes and provokes people left right and center and is a big asshole, what right does he have to call the cops, why not just squash the beef or stop instigating, simple.
im with you to a certain degree but surely this board is so good cause people win arguments with words or by winding people up with insults
once people start taking stuff into real life and harrassing, stalking and bullying people then the normal people will be censured by the bullies and idiots that cant cope with losing an online argument so escalate it off the boards
i personally wouldnt contact the authorities unless my family was in danger but if you take this shit off the boards then surely the person you are harrassing can use real life law and order to protect themselves
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I get it now. Your type of mentality is precisely the same as the Radical Muslims. By your rationale, you think the filmmakers and anyone who taunts the religion of Islam should "reap what the sow" and deserves all the violence and threats directed towards them.
You have the EXACT same mentality as the Radical Muslim apologist. What did I expect, you are just another religious moron yourself who advocates vigilante violence over justice and fails to even obey the teachings of the moron you deify and worship.
Little difference between you and a jidhadist.
Clap clap clap good return loser
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im with you to a certain degree but surely this board is so good cause people win arguments with words or by winding people up with insults
once people start taking stuff into real life and harrassing, stalking and bullying people then the normal people will be censured by the bullies and idiots that cant cope with losing an online argument so escalate it off the boards
i personally wouldnt contact the authorities unless my family was in danger but if you take this shit off the boards then surely the person you are harrassing can use real life law and order to protect themselves
you have more right then anyone to get the authorities involved with what happened to you.
Now if someone is a nut job then stop fucking with them, it's that simple. This guy has to much pride always trying to win debates and never backs down from an internet feud and then ends up calling the authorities. It's like I am going to try to win against you online by mocking you humiliating and pissing you off but if that does not work I will just call the authorities and send you to jail for internet bullying. How fucked up is that
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you have more right then anyone to get the authorities involved with what happened to you.
Now if someone is a nut job then stop fucking with them, it's that simple. This guy has to much pride always trying to win debates and never backs down from an internet feud and then ends up calling the authorities. It's like I am going to try to win against you online by mocking you humiliating and pissing you off but if that does not work I will just call the authorities and send you to jail or internet bullying. How fucked up is that
And this is how the Radical Muslims justify their violence. Looks like you have the same pea-brained reasoning skills as they do.
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im with you to a certain degree but surely this board is so good cause people win arguments with words or by winding people up with insults
once people start taking stuff into real life and harrassing, stalking and bullying people then the normal people will be censured by the bullies and idiots that cant cope with losing an online argument so escalate it off the boards
i personally wouldnt contact the authorities unless my family was in danger but if you take this shit off the boards then surely the person you are harrassing can use real life law and order to protect themselves
Exactly.
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And this is how the Radical Muslims justify their violence. Looks like you have the same pea-brained reasoning skills as they do.
You could have just squashed the feud between you 2 it did not have to come down to you ratting him out and causing 10's of thousand of tax payers money on some stupid feud you lost on the internet. Get real man Muslim fundies fuck shit up in real life don't compare your little pathetic fiasco to a situation in the real world clown.
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Exactly.
TA, you have alluded to the fact that you were the one who filed charges against Avesher. What exactly did Avesher do to you, that caused you to press charges against him?
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TA, you have alluded to the fact that you were the one who filed charges against Avesher. What exactly did Avesher do to you, that caused you to press charges against him?
He ruffled his pride
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TA?
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You say anyone not following Islam will burn in hell for eternity etc etc. Ok. BUT how about these isolated tribes like in the Amazon, they dont know about Islam, is it fair for them to burn in hell? How are they supposed to follow something they dont know exists?
I avoided this thread as there was too much idiocy in it... just an orgy of islamophobes coming together to express their ignorance...
However what Darren Avey posted is a serious question.
No they will not go to hell. But they might. Huh?
God is the most just... and God will judge everyone according to their means. If these people did not hear of Islam and Muhammad, they will be judged upon what they did hear and how they did act upon it.
In Judaism Jews are thought basically Jews go to heaven and everyone else perishes..
In Christianity you have to accept 'Jesus as God' and you are 'saved' and go to heaven and the others go to hell.
In Islam... we are thought that everyone is accountable and responsible for themselves. Our own actions are our own. We are not held accountable for what our ancestors did as Christianity teaches. We are born PURE not with "adam and eve's sin".
We go to heaven by God's mercy first and foremost .. however we have to put the effort into it, by our sincere actions and by correction action. No one's perfect but God, but we have to strive for perfection as God has revealed messengers and Muhammad as the last messenger for all mankind until the day of judgment.
If you however are ignorant, as that tribe, you will be judged according to what you had in front of you. We are thought in islam that everyone is born pure with an inclination towards oneness of God, that we seek out a greater power, but it is our parents that may lead us to idolatry. Everyone will be judged by what they were exposed to. If someone somehow absolutely did not have an exposure to monotheism, God will test them with certain things and see how they respond and chose and they will be judged accordingly.
To add one more thing in the qur'an God states quite clearly that certain jews and christians will go to heaven, but it refers to those who followed their respective messengers and messages at their time. Not those that for example started worshipping Jesus as God as that is contrary to Jesus' own utterances and teachings. These are things that came afterwards... not from Jesus. As God says in the quran Jesus is free of all the conjectures of men.
In essence as a closure to the above. If you have heard of Islam and Muhammad.. it is your responsibility to read and learn about Islam and accept the message. You can decline it but you will be doing yourself disservice when you meet God.
Denying any of the messengers of God is as if denying all of them. Christians accept Jesus, but perverted his message.. but not all christians worship Jesus. I wasn't one of them, but learning more about other religions and christianity led me to islam.
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I avoided this thread as there was too much idiocy in it... just an orgy of islamophobes coming together to express their ignorance...
However what Darren Avey posted is a serious question.
No they will not go to hell. But they might. Huh?
God is the most just... and God will judge everyone according to their means. If these people did not hear of Islam and Muhammad, they will be judged upon what they did hear and how they did act upon it.
In Judaism Jews are thought basically Jews go to heaven and everyone else perishes..
In Christianity you have to accept 'Jesus as God' and you are 'saved' and go to heaven and the others go to hell.
In Islam... we are thought that everyone is accountable and responsible for themselves. Our own actions are our own. We are not held accountable for what our ancestors did as Christianity teaches. We are born PURE not with "adam and eve's sin".
We go to heaven by God's mercy first and foremost .. however we have to put the effort into it, by our sincere actions and by correction action. No one's perfect but God, but we have to strive for perfection as God has revealed messengers and Muhammad as the last messenger for all mankind until the day of judgment.
If you however are ignorant, as that tribe, you will be judged according to what you had in front of you. We are thought in islam that everyone is born pure with an inclination towards oneness of God, that we seek out a greater power, but it is our parents that may lead us to idolatry. Everyone will be judged by what they were exposed to. If someone somehow absolutely did not have an exposure to monotheism, God will test them with certain things and see how they respond and chose and they will be judged accordingly.
To add one more thing in the qur'an God states quite clearly that certain jews and christians will go to heaven, but it refers to those who followed their respective messengers and messages at their time. Not those that for example started worshipping Jesus as God as that is contrary to Jesus' own utterances and teachings. These are things that came afterwards... not from Jesus. As God says in the quran Jesus is free of all the conjectures of men.
In essence as a closure to the above. If you have heard of Islam and Muhammad.. it is your responsibility to read and learn about Islam and accept the message. You can decline it but you will be doing yourself disservice when you meet God.
Denying any of the messengers of God is as if denying all of them. Christians accept Jesus, but perverted his message.. but not all christians worship Jesus. I wasn't one of them, but learning more about other religions and christianity led me to islam.
you are one fucked up person...give me your Koran and if i run out of toilet paper i will wipe my arse with it...but hey ...maybe i will read it first ::)
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I've spent years both closer to Islam and further, and I've found that life has been better to me (I've been happier, less problems, more income, etc.) during times in which I've been closer to Islam.
I tend to stay away from the debates of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell because it's ultimately God who judges, not us humans.
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Same here.. even after becoming muslim, ive had ups and downs but sticking to islam has led to a better life overall even marriage.
And yeah ultimately God is the one that will judge us all, but he has outlined for us what we must achieve to enter jannah and warned those who tread a certain way of the hellfire.
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sev failing miserably to be intelligent in this post while maintaining he is a lizard
that's just an idiot's opinion ;)
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lol at believing in Heaven or Hell. No fucking proof from anyone that either exists.
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that's just an idiot's opinion ;)
i dont claim to be a genuis or a lizard my gypsy friend :)
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Same here.. even after becoming muslim, ive had ups and downs but sticking to islam has led to a better life overall even marriage.
And yeah ultimately God is the one that will judge us all, but he has outlined for us what we must achieve to enter jannah and warned those who tread a certain way of the hellfire.
Same here.. even after becoming agnostic, ive had ups and downs but sticking to the realisation that the TRUTH for now cannot be known has led to a better life overall even marriage.
And yeah ultimately there is no God that will judge us all, just maintain your physical and mental health and avoid extremes while keeping an open mind in case further information is revealed leading to a saner and more balanced outlook on the reality of life.
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Same here.. even after becoming agnostic, ive had ups and downs but sticking to the realisation that the TRUTH for now cannot be known has led to a better life overall even marriage.
And yeah ultimately there is no God that will judge us all, just maintain your physical and mental health and avoid extremes while keeping an open mind in case further information is revealed leading to a saner and more balanced outlook on the reality of life.
You know there's one joke I'll tell you.
The testimony of faith in islam is "La illaha il Allah"
There is no god but God"
The atheists have already fulfilled half the testimony of faith. They just need to say the last part ;)
Likewise when people say science has proven God as false. Actually. Science has proven false deities as false but not God :)
Worshipping the creation is not God. Abandoning manmade falsehood is but the first step. Whether it be the trinitarianism of christianity or idolatry of some other religions... realizing they are false man made beliefs. Even for hindus, their scriptures speak against idolatry, yet their brahman priests encouraged idolatry because people were 'too stupid' to understand God.
Ultimately whether you are thankful to God or not, he has provided for us all and continues to provide for us all. You did not create this earth, you did not create yourself, nor did you create the process of creation.
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You know there's one joke I'll tell you.
The testimony of faith in islam is "La illaha il Allah"
There is no god but God"
The atheists have already fulfilled half the testimony of faith. They just need to say the last part ;)
Likewise when people say science has proven God as false. Actually. Science has proven false deities as false but not God :)
Worshipping the creation is not God. Abandoning manmade falsehood is but the first step. Whether it be the trinitarianism of christianity or idolatry of some other religions... realizing they are false man made beliefs. Even for hindus, their scriptures speak against idolatry, yet their brahman priests encouraged idolatry because people were 'too stupid' to understand God.
Ultimately whether you are thankful to God or not, he has provided for us all and continues to provide for us all. You did not create this earth, you did not create yourself, nor did you create the process of creation.
I am agnostic, whether or not their is a God or No God, either possibility is equally mind blowing. I don't understand why anybody even cares about the concept of God, it has no bearing on living a good life, one could easily live a good life without ever hearing of the concept of God. A belief in anything isn't going to stop you from having to endure the sufferings that are incumbent on all life. The problem I see with having a conviction that their "Is a GOD" is that it shuts you off from the possibility that "Their is NO GOD" or even alternative paradoxical possibilities. Best to wait until human knowledge has deepened and expanded to the point were we can say things that are certain and not have to rely on blind faith. I could have faith that the "Sun may not rise tomorrow", but Faith in and of itself has no influence on reality.
The idea that "Their is No God but God" is a divisive belief that is complicit in violent clashes of empires, all this because people are too afraid to say "I don't know"
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I am agnostic, whether or not their is a God or No God, either possibility is equally mind blowing. I don't understand why anybody even cares about the concept of God,
Lets take your position of agnosticism and lets say you find out there is God when you die. Do you think your care less care free attitutde would be greatful to God? How should God care about you if you don't care about being greatful to Him?
We can chose to be ignorant and think its bliss... but thinking about where we came from and where we are going is in our inherent being.
it has no bearing on living a good life, one could easily live a good life without ever hearing of the concept of God. A belief in anything isn't going to stop you from having to endure the sufferings that are incumbent on all life. The problem I see with having a conviction that their "Is a GOD" is that it shuts you off from the possibility that "Their is NO GOD" or even alternative paradoxical possibilities.
But there is no other possibility. 'paradoxical' or otherwise. There is either God who created all. Or all of this 'magically' happened... like evolution theory. You put faith in one or the other. That's it. There is also the deist position of pretty much saying God created all but let evolution take over. lol. Then there is the final position of i dont care and im awesome and live my life whatever happens around meh. Which is more or less what you're saying.
Best to wait until human knowledge has deepened and expanded to the point were we can say things that are certain and not have to rely on blind faith. I could have faith that the "Sun may not rise tomorrow", but Faith in and of itself has no influence on reality.
You have faith that someone told you, you have a brain in your head. You put your trust in what someone said, you didnt open your own head.
Maybe christians live by blind faith... but islam is not about 'blind faith'. You can come to ascertain faith through rational.
The idea of creation, is not blind faith. I am not talking about christians tlaking about earth being created 10000 years ago. I am talking about using our knowledge of science and our God given intellect to observe and rationalize and come to conclusions.
What is around us? What is inside us? Look at our bodies. Our organs. Muscular system. Cardiovascular system. Nerve system. Lungs. Liver. Eyes. Brain. Skeletal system. Cells themselves, like little factories. Reproductive system male and female. How it all comes together.
Honestly I am so frickin amazed when I study the human body... every little detail. It's a perfect machine. Unbelivable.
Even the earth.. its like a self managing space ship...
And through all this order, perfection, design.. there is also beauty, creativity, artistry. It all comes down to in an almost magical way.
To call it accidental and coming out of 'chaos' is to me non-sense and irrational. Everything to ME calls rationally towards a creator behind all this. Not silly darwinian drawings of monkies transforming into humans... or sea creatures turning into land creatures and then into air creatures/etc... and that everything happened by chance and accident.
When I look at a piece of source code... I know it has a programmer. I don't say hey windows 'evolved' from windows 3.1 to windows 95 to windows 2000 to windows 7 etc... over millions of years... everything around us calls to this reality. Likewise with our DNA its source code of life. A common creator who created many creatures with similar traits, it does not mean that they all magically came to be from themselves by themselves.
Science is not absolute truth, it is merely a primitive, yes primitive tool. More or less... you use your human five senses... (other creatures have even other senses) and you deduct conclusions. I touch fire, I burn, I won't touch fire again. Euruka!
The scientific method was created by Muslims fyi... so God/religion and science/rational are not in opposites..
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Is this the same as the La Li Lu Le Lo from the Metal Gear series? Looks similar.
That's because you don't know arabic or any semetic language comparing it to video game non-sense
Finally we agree on something, where 'God' denotes the concept in your head. There is only the concept of such an entity, not the real thing. I'm glad we're beginning to see eye to eye!
What?
By the way what is real? Your definition of 'real'?
In arabic language the vocabulary of 'real' is not like the english real necessarily as it usually denotes physical perception... in arabic on the other hand 'real' is something that is TRUE, a very different concept... not something that is necessarily physical or apprehended by your limited 5 senses.
Are numbers or mathematical theorem any less real, if you don't write them down? They remain real whether you are aware of them or not.
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Lets take your position of agnosticism and lets say you find out there is God when you die. Do you think your care less care free attitutde would be greatful to God? How should God care about you if you don't care about being greatful to Him?
Pehaps God should take a good look in the mirror then, since he created me to be that way, how can my creator be upset at me because he created me a certain way, sounds like God should take responsibility for his actions and not project blame onto that which he created. Bill gates rather then blame the code he created when it crashes, he takes responsibility and fixes the code.
We can chose to be ignorant and think its bliss... but thinking about where we came from and where we are going is in our inherent being.
It is ignorant to think that we know when we don't, you can't think about where we came from and where we are going when you claim to already know the answers. You cant fill a cup that is already full
But there is no other possibility. 'paradoxical' or otherwise. There is either God who created all. Or all of this 'magically' happened... like evolution theory. You put faith in one or the other. That's it. There is also the deist position of pretty much saying God created all but let evolution take over. lol. Then there is the final position of i dont care and im awesome and live my life whatever happens around meh. Which is more or less what you're saying.
No. I put faith in that the answer lies somewhere in the future, or that we might never know how Life come into being. I am saying "I don't know" this acknowledgement is the required basis for all learning. I didn't say "I'm awesome", you threw that in for effect, and we all have to live out lives no matter what happens around us, their is no choice in the matter, that's just a FACT. Our ability to affect anything in real terms is very narrow indeed, I can't stop you believing irrational thoughts, even though I would like too.
You have faith that someone told you, you have a brain in your head. You put your trust in what someone said, you didnt open your own head.
No, many human heads have been cut open to validate that human beings have brains, logic dictates because I am a living human, I also have a brain, and even if I had faith that I didn't have a brain, once again, it has no bearing on reality
Honestly I am so frickin amazed when I study the human body... every little detail. It's a perfect machine. Unbelivable.
No, human body breaks down all the time, not to mention those who are born with incredible mutations and deformities. If the human was "PERFECT" their would be no need for medicine, the human body is reasonably efficient for the purpose of living but far from Perfect. Nobody would credit an engineer who built a bridge that performed well for ten years and then collapsed killing the users of that bridge, they would say he was a pretty crap engineer. Either you don't understand the concept of perfection or you don't understand the human body.
And through all this order, perfection, design.. there is also beauty, creativity, artistry. It all comes down to in an almost magical way.
No! Though all this their is war, famine, disease, hatred and evil, if this is your idea of perfection, we are all in trouble. Muslims have a habit of wearing rose tinted glasses and seeing only what they want to see.
When I look at a piece of source code... I know it has a programmer. I don't say hey windows 'evolved' from windows 3.1 to windows 95 to windows 2000 to windows 7 etc... over millions of years... everything around us calls to this reality. Likewise with our DNA its source code of life. A common creator who created many creatures with similar traits, it does not mean that they all magically came to be from themselves by themselves.
Even if the argument from design could prove the existence of a powerful intelligent designer, it would not prove that this designer is "God". The argument from design does not take into consideration future events which may serve to undermine the proof of God's existence, it not only begs the question of the designer's own origin; but an intelligent designer must itself be far more complex and difficult to explain than anything it is capable of designing.
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Pehaps God should take a good look in the mirror then, since he created me to be that way, how can my creator be upset at me because he created me a certain way, sounds like God should take responsibility for his actions and not project blame onto that which he created.
A direct response to your claim in the qur'an:
6.107. Yet if God had so willed (and not enabled their free choice), they would not have associated partners with Him (so do not torment yourself to death with grief because they do not believe). And We have not made you a keeper over them, and you are not charged with care and control of them.
You are given free chosing of what you believe and do, you are also given the test and the test answers, but it is up to you to do what's right.
God's responsibility? God has given you life and given you a way to live this life rightly so. You are the one that choses to do what you want to do.
It is ignorant to think that we know when we don't, you can't think about where we came from and where we are going when you claim to already know the answers. You cant fill a cup that is already full
No. I put faith in that the answer lies somewhere in the future, or that we might never know how Life come into being.
Your future may be your death. Will you wait until then? Maybe you have just not found the answers yet. However some of us have.
I am saying "I don't know" this acknowledgement is the required basis for all learning. I didn't say "I'm awesome", you threw that in for effect, and we all have to live out lives no matter what happens around us, their is no choice in the matter, that's just a FACT. Our ability to affect anything in real terms is very narrow indeed, I can't stop you believing irrational thoughts, even though I would like too.
And therefore who are you to say what is irrational? Because you disagree? So in essence you are basing what you believe, in faith too.
No, many human heads have been cut open to validate that human beings have brains, logic dictates because I am a living human, I also have a brain, and even if I had faith that I didn't have a brain, once again, it has no bearing on reality
? You didn't cut a head open, you didn't cut you rown head either. You were TOLD this.. and you believe it. Therefore it's faith you put a trust in something that you are told. You didn't do it yourself or 'find out' yourself. You maybe read about it.
No, human body breaks down all the time, not to mention those who are born with incredible mutations and deformities. If the human was "PERFECT" their would be no need for medicine, the human body is reasonably efficient for the purpose of living but far from Perfect.
It indeed is perfect. What you talk about such as mutations are merely a test for us in this life. THe limitations imposed on us is to remind us that we are not God, and that we are DEPENDENT. We depend on our creator.
Further to the point. If we don't have perfect reproductive system we seize to exist. God created the process perfectly. However if things go wrong, or we do wrong things, for example today all the xenohormones, plastics, oils, poisons, chemicals, hormones and other crap around us.. cancers caused by nuclear tests, microwaves, etc... affect our fertility and cause us harm... does that change the fact that we have to have a perfectly male and a seperately perfectly female reproductive system to bring new life? No it remains the same.
Nobody would credit an engineer who built a bridge that performed well for ten years and then collapsed killing the users of that bridge, they would say he was a pretty crap engineer. Either you don't understand the concept of perfection or you don't understand the human body.
Or maybe you tend to see evil in everything and pessimism in everything instead of the beauty of life. Negatives as opposed to positives. Quite like I said earlier, you are ungrateful to God. If you were greatful to our creator you would see things differently and understand life differently.
You are calling God a crappy engineer in essence. Yet can you make a human being? Are you going to say in the future we will? Well if in the future we will we are merely imitating and indeed what are we doing our 'best engineers' they are IMITATING what is around us.
No! Though all this their is war, famine, disease, hatred and evil, if this is your idea of perfection, we are all in trouble. Muslims have a habit of wearing rose tinted glasses and seeing only what they want to see.
Again same as what i said above. Your perception of gloom and doom in life.
Even if the argument from design could prove the existence of a powerful intelligent designer, it would not prove that this designer is "God". The argument from design does not take into consideration future events which may serve to undermine the proof of God's existence, it not only begs the question of the designer's own origin; but an intelligent designer must itself be far more complex and difficult to explain than anything it is capable of designing.
Well what would it be? An alien? Our definition of an alien would mean it had to originate from somewhere to?
God on the other hand is eternal. The universe is not eternal. It had a beginning. God has no beginning or end. Is independent. is not created.
Christians usually go uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh when they are asked by atheists. Could God create a rock he himself could not lift. For us muslims this is so simple to answer but for christians they get dumbstruck.
Ascribing limitations of creation to the creator is the failure. God is not male or female. He created pairs, gender. For example.
If you can't grasp the whole universe in your mind, do you think you can grasp the creator?
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Why has this racist thread not been deleted yet?
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A direct response to your claim in the qur'an:
I won't even dignify that evil book with a response.
Your future may be your death. Will you wait until then? Maybe you have just not found the answers yet. However some of us have.
Everyone's future is their own death. And wait for what exactly, nobody has found the answers yet, that's the whole point, and it is this uncertainty that arouses such anxiety within you that leads you to grasp at straws and devise an answer that appeals to you and reduces your anxiety of not knowing. I can't imagine a more arrogant stand point than suggesting that you have found the answers to life, when it is apparent to anyone intellectual that the body of human knowledge is miniscule compared to what their is to know. It is this arrogance that alienates people from you. Your inability to be able to express those answers in an intellectually satisfying way is proof that your answers lack validity and why they are rejected by those who aren't indoctrinated into your faith of "We have the answers"
So in essence you are basing what you believe, in faith too.
To have an Open Mind requires No faith, that's the beauty of it. I base what I believe on imperical evidence, not faith. Belief can be verified and tested, like the belief in Gravity, so far every time i have tested this belief, it has prooved to be correct. As to your other point, Irrationality is believeing that humans don't have brains.
? You didn't cut a head open, you didn't cut you rown head either. You were TOLD this.. and you believe it. Therefore it's faith you put a trust in something that you are told. You didn't do it yourself or 'find out' yourself. You maybe read about it.
No, I have witnessed cadavers having there head cut open, the knowledge wasn't conveyed to me by Chinese whispers. Brain Surgeons also believe that humans have brains, there belief is so strong, they make a great living from prooving themselves correct on a daily basis.
It indeed is perfect. What you talk about such as mutations are merely a test for us in this life. THe limitations imposed on us is to remind us that we are not God, and that we are DEPENDENT. We depend on our creator.
Further to the point. If we don't have perfect reproductive system we seize to exist. God created the process perfectly. However if things go wrong, or we do wrong things, for example today all the xenohormones, plastics, oils, poisons, chemicals, hormones and other crap around us.. cancers caused by nuclear tests, microwaves, etc... affect our fertility and cause us harm... does that change the fact that we have to have a perfectly male and a seperately perfectly female reproductive system to bring new life? No it remains the same.
You argue that we are perfect, but then go onto highlight our imperfections, our dependance, our mutations and the fact that not everyone has the ability to reproduce. The fact we can reproduce is by no means humans are perfect, all living beings can reproduce, even bacterias which infect our bodies. Like I said, you fon't understand the concept of Perfection which is universally accepted as a state of completeness and flawlessness. Our dependance is proof of our incompleteness and the fact we suffer from disease and decay is proof of our flawlessness, if we were flawless there would be no room for improvement and once again no need for disease prevention or medicine.
Or maybe you tend to see evil in everything and pessimism in everything instead of the beauty of life. Negatives as opposed to positives. Quite like I said earlier, you are ungrateful to God. If you were greatful to our creator you would see things differently and understand life differently.
Maybe you tend to only see one side of life, to be aware of the negative in no way reduces your ability to see the positive, indeed without an acceptance of the negative an individual cannot find a balance, they will live in an extreme state of denial. You suggesting that to deny the existence of war, famine and disease is showing gratitude to god is absurd. Without acknowledging such things, it will be impossible to improve on this situation, the fact you deny it is why there is such suffering in the first place, hardly a way to honor a "God" by pretending that there are no such things. Are you grateful to god for flesh eating bacteria? I think not. I can indeed make a human being, it merely requires finding a female of reproductive capability and impregnating her.
Again same as what i said above. Your perception of gloom and doom in life.
You suggest that the reality of war, famine and disease is a "PERCEPTION" when this is a reality, your unwillingness to accept that, much like a lot of your beliefs is quite simply an inability to see reality for what it is. regardless of whether or not I was aware of such atrocities doesn't prevent if from being a reality. One could argue that your perception and defence of Muslims being slaughtered by the Western World is just "your perception" and representing a gloomy outlook on life.
Well what would it be? An alien? Our definition of an alien would mean it had to originate from somewhere to?
God on the other hand is eternal. The universe is not eternal. It had a beginning. God has no beginning or end. Is independent. is not created.
If you can't grasp the whole universe in your mind, do you think you can grasp the creator?
You don't know if the Universe had a beginning or not, but you make sweeping statements as if they are fact. You suggested before that when you study source code it implies a intelligent creator, yet now you claim that something as infinitely powerful as a creator has no creator. You made the statement that if the Intelligent Creator was an alien that would mean it had to originate from somewhere to, but when you argue for the Intelligent creator being GOD you say that "God is not created". You swing back and forth and contradict yourself all the time to suit a set of ideas you hold about life. Either intelligent design implies a creator or it doesn't, you can't claim that a watch implies an intelligent designer, but in the case of God, their is no intelligent designer that created it, but if the Intelligent creator was an alien then the alien must have come from somewhere. You also state that the Creator can't be understood by humans and yet you argue continually that you know what God wants for us, suggesting that you have in fact got the answers and an understanding of God.
Anyway, this will be my last response to you, entering your world of nonsense makes life less enjoyable, although I agree with you on a lot of criticism regarding Americas Foreign policy, I will never understand "The religion of peace/Violence"
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Why has this racist thread not been deleted yet?
Are you serious?
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A direct response to your claim in the qur'an:
I won't even dignify that evil book with a response.
Your future may be your death. Will you wait until then? Maybe you have just not found the answers yet. However some of us have.
Everyone's future is their own death. And wait for what exactly, nobody has found the answers yet, that's thw whole point, and it is this uncertainty that arouses such anxiety within you that leads you to grasp at straws and devise an answer that appeals to you and reduces your anxiety of not knowing. I can't imagine a more arrogant stand point than suggesting that you have found the answers to life, when it is apparent to anyone intellectual that the body of human knowledge is miniscule compared to what their is to know. It is this arrogance that alienates people from you. Your inability to be able to express those answers in an intellectually satisfying way is proof that your answers lack validity and why they are rejected by those who aren't indoctrinated into your faith of "We have the answers"
So in essence you are basing what you believe, in faith too.
To have an Open Mind requires No faith, that's the beauty of it. I base what I believe on imperical evidence, not faith. Belief can be verified and tested, like the belief in Gravity, so far every time i have tested this belief, it has prooved to be correct. As to your other point, Irrationality is believeing that humans don't have brains.
? You didn't cut a head open, you didn't cut you rown head either. You were TOLD this.. and you believe it. Therefore it's faith you put a trust in something that you are told. You didn't do it yourself or 'find out' yourself. You maybe read about it.
No, I have witnessed cadavers having there head cut open, the knowledge wasn't conveyed to me by Chinese whispers. Brain Surgeons also believe that humans have brains, there belief is so strong, they make a great living from prooving themselves correct on a daily basis.
It indeed is perfect. What you talk about such as mutations are merely a test for us in this life. THe limitations imposed on us is to remind us that we are not God, and that we are DEPENDENT. We depend on our creator.
Further to the point. If we don't have perfect reproductive system we seize to exist. God created the process perfectly. However if things go wrong, or we do wrong things, for example today all the xenohormones, plastics, oils, poisons, chemicals, hormones and other crap around us.. cancers caused by nuclear tests, microwaves, etc... affect our fertility and cause us harm... does that change the fact that we have to have a perfectly male and a seperately perfectly female reproductive system to bring new life? No it remains the same.
You argue that we are perfect, but then go onto highlight our imperfections, our dependance, our mutations and the fact that not everyone has the ability to reproduce. The fact we can reproduce is by no means humans are perfect, all living beings can reproduce, even bacterias which infect our bodies. Like I said, you fon't understand the concept of Perfection which is universally accepted as a state of completeness and flawlessness. Our dependance is proof of our incompleteness and the fact we suffer from disease and decay is proof of our flawlessness, if we were flawless there would be no room for improvement and once again no need for disease prevention or medicine.
Or maybe you tend to see evil in everything and pessimism in everything instead of the beauty of life. Negatives as opposed to positives. Quite like I said earlier, you are ungrateful to God. If you were greatful to our creator you would see things differently and understand life differently.
Maybe you tend to only see one side of life, to be aware of the negative in no way reduces your ability to see the positive, indeed without an acceptance of the negative an individual cannot find a balance, they will live in an extreme state of denial. You suggesting that to deny the existence of war, famine and disease is showing gratitude to god is absurd. Without acknowledging such things, it will be impossible to improve on this situation, the fact you deny it is why there is such suffering in the first place, hardly a way to honor a "God" by pretending that there are no such things. Are you grateful to god for flesh eating bacteria? I think not. I can indeed make a human being, it merely requires finding a female of reproductive capability and impregnating her.
Again same as what i said above. Your perception of gloom and doom in life.
You suggest that the reality of war, famine and disease is a "PERCEPTION" when this is a reality, your unwillingness to accept that, much like a lot of your beliefs is quite simply an inability to see reality for what it is. regardless of whether or not I was aware of such atrocities doesn't prevent if from being a reality. One could argue that your perception and defence of Muslims being slaughtered by the Western World is just "your perception" and representing a gloomy outlook on life.
Well what would it be? An alien? Our definition of an alien would mean it had to originate from somewhere to?
God on the other hand is eternal. The universe is not eternal. It had a beginning. God has no beginning or end. Is independent. is not created.
If you can't grasp the whole universe in your mind, do you think you can grasp the creator?
You don't know if the Universe had a beginning or not, but you make sweeping statements as if they are fact. You suggested before that when you study source code it implies a intelligenct creator, yet now you claim than something as infinitely powerful as a creator has no creator. You made the statement that if the Intelligent Creator was an alien that would mean it had to originate from somewhere to, but when you argue for the Intelligent creator being GOD you say that "God is not created". You swing back and forth and contradict yourself all the time to suit a set of ideas you hold about life. Either intelligent design implies a creator or it doesn't, you can't claim that a watch implies an intelligent designer, but in the case of God, their is no intelligent designer that created it, but if the Intelligent creator was an alien then the alien must have come from somewhere. You also state that the Creator can't be understood by humans and yet you argue continually that you know what God wants for us, suggesting that you have in fact got the answers and an understanding of God.
Anyway, this will be my last response to you, entering your world of nonsense makes life less enjoyable, although I agree with you on a lot of criticism regarding Americas Foreign policy, I will never understand "The religion of peace/Violence"
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i dont claim to be a genuis or a lizard my gypsy friend :)
it would be quite ironic for you to clim genius ... don't you think? lol
Lizards have narrow hips so you don't qualify Shakira
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I would say more toleration in a work place. The majority of white Americans hate blacks and want nothing to do with them.
Same in the UK. Pests that are just about tolerated.
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it would be quite ironic for you to clim genius ... don't you think? lol
Lizards have narrow hips so you don't qualify Shakira
irony is spelling like a retard while insulting my intelligence
you should stick to your first love sev
which is of course the cock
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Are you serious?
Yes.