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http://thesunnews.typepad.com/a_different_world/2012/09/non-taxpayers-are-concentrated-in-red-states-40-percent-of-south-carolina-residents-dont-pay-federal.html
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Romney said the 47% that support obama don't pay taxes. This was incorrect.
47% don't pay taxes.
47% support Obama no matter what.
They're not the same group of people. It's easy to rally the base by saying it it. But it's not. There's a LOT of students, military and elderly (as well as ppl who are just dirt poor) who don't pay taxes who DO vote republican.
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http://thesunnews.typepad.com/a_different_world/2012/09/non-taxpayers-are-concentrated-in-red-states-40-percent-of-south-carolina-residents-dont-pay-federal.html
That's great and all but I think it has more to do with those states being in the southern U.S. than it does with them being "Red States." Remember, those states were Blue about 30 or so years ago.
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That's great and all but I think it has more to do with those states being in the southern U.S. than it does with them being "Red States." Remember, those states were Blue about 30 or so years ago.
All the racists switched to the Repub party after the Dems pushed through various civil rights laws
More importantly they NOW vote for the Republican candidate who has called them all victims and people who think they are entitled to a handout
This is nothing new.
We've known that the Republican leaning states tend to be the places who get more dollars from the govt than they pay in taxes
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/welfare-queen-states/2011/05/17/AFzTK45G_story.html?hpid=z4
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thats great and all, those red states with those racists greedy republicans also give more of their money to charity and donate more of their time then the blue utopia libtards.
whos arguing about ppl not paying their fair share again.
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thats great and all, those red states with those racists greedy republicans also give more of their money to charity and donate more of their time then the blue utopia libtards.
whos arguing about ppl not paying their fair share again.
Yeah im sure the welfare recipients in the red states give huge sums to charity ::)
Try again fuck-face
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Yeah im sure the welfare recipients in the red states give huge sums to charity ::)
Try again fuck-face
how about you address the fact that those greedy red state conservatives give more time and money to charity then the self rightous libtards?
Including yourself, how much to you donate time/money wise whork? well do a getbig microcosim experiment...
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how about you address the fact that those greedy red state conservatives give more time and money to charity then the self rightous libtards?
Including yourself, how much to you donate time/money wise whork? well do a getbig microcosim experiment...
While he's at it, he can also explain why if only a third of low-income folks go GOP, how do you have all these welfare cases in red states?
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-bill-allows-taxpayers-donate-124627442.html
How much are you planning on donating whork? Im betting absolutely nothing you hypocritic fuck!!!
"Feel your taxes are too low? House Republicans have devised a new convenient way for those worried about government red ink to donate more to the Treasury.
The legislation, approved in the House on Wednesday and heading for an uncertain fate in the Senate, creates a checkbox on tax forms allowing taxpayers to make donations above their normal tax liability for debt reduction."
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-bill-allows-taxpayers-donate-124627442.html
How much are you planning on donating whork? Im betting absolutely nothing you hypocritic fuck!!!
"Feel your taxes are too low? House Republicans have devised a new convenient way for those worried about government red ink to donate more to the Treasury.
The legislation, approved in the House on Wednesday and heading for an uncertain fate in the Senate, creates a checkbox on tax forms allowing taxpayers to make donations above their normal tax liability for debt reduction."
Don't hold your breath, looking for Dems to pay Uncle Sam of their own free will. Besides, this isn't about libs, spending THEIR money; it's about them, spending OUR money.
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Don't hold your breath, looking for Dems to pay Uncle Sam of their own free will. Besides, this isn't about libs, spending THEIR money; it's about them, spending OUR money.
exactly when its someone elses money they are all for hiking taxes.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-bill-allows-taxpayers-donate-124627442.html
How much are you planning on donating whork? Im betting absolutely nothing you hypocritic fuck!!!
"Feel your taxes are too low? House Republicans have devised a new convenient way for those worried about government red ink to donate more to the Treasury.
The legislation, approved in the House on Wednesday and heading for an uncertain fate in the Senate, creates a checkbox on tax forms allowing taxpayers to make donations above their normal tax liability for debt reduction."
Bump for the ppl calling for higher taxes on others...
How much are you guys planning on donating to the cause?
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thats great and all, those red states with those racists greedy republicans also give more of their money to charity and donate more of their time then the blue utopia libtards.
whos arguing about ppl not paying their fair share again.
that's not the issue, red herring.
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that's not the issue, red herring.
the issue is morons feel that others arent paying their "fair" share...
well the ppl they are pointing to generally give more of their time and money to charity then they do.
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bump...
straw, blacken, necrosis, prime....
how much are you guys planning on donating?
Im guessing its not any where near what romney donates to charity, even % wise....::)
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the issue is morons feel that others arent paying their "fair" share...
well the ppl they are pointing to generally give more of their time and money to charity then they do.
What is a fair share?
I like the Romney 14% tax rate myself... I want some of that.
I bet most people probably pay about that to be honest... What with all of the deductions people can have.
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What is a fair share?
I like the Romney 14% tax rate myself... I want some of that.
I bet most people probably pay about that to be honest... What with all of the deductions people can have.
the 14% isnt including his charitable donations either...
Im curious for the ppl ranting and raving about higher taxes what amount they believe is fair? both with and without charitable donations?
If someone is paying 2 million a year and taxes and there are still morons out there yelling for more while they pay NONE!!!!
Id say its not a tax problem but a spending problem!!!
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the issue is morons feel that others arent paying their "fair" share...
This is what the "morons" have a problem with:
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This is what the "morons" have a problem with:
LMFAO so 2 million in taxes plus what 2 million in charitable donations isnt enough for you sly?
Ill ask again, since none of you libtards seems to have an answer...
how much is enough, with and without charitable donations?
its a pretty straight forward fucking question sly maybe youll have better luck answering it as opposed to you mentally challenged friends.
Im waiting...
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LMFAO so 2 million in taxes plus what 2 million in charitable donations isnt enough for you sly?
Ill ask again, since none of you libtards seems to have an answer...
how much is enough, with and without charitable donations?
its a pretty straight forward fucking question sly maybe youll have better luck answering it as opposed to you mentally challenged friends.
Im waiting...
No one is going to give you a set number. Some feel that there should be a straight tax across the board. Others feel that the people who make over $250,000 a year should pay a higher percentage of taxes than those that make $60,000 or less (or, more generally, make more - pay more in taxes).
The chances of changing anyone's mind in this thread regarding their tax beliefs, is slim to none. One reason this tax issue is so hot is because over 99% of American's make *SIGNIFICANTLY* less income per year than Romney, yet they have to pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than Romney - due to the loopholes for the rich. Many Americans find this to be terribly unfair and therefore the Romney/Ryan tax plan IS a major economic issue in this election, whether it should be or not and Romney is not gaining popularity from it.
With regard to the charitable donations, it is hard to say negative things against charitable people. However, it is Romney's choice to donate and it should have zero to do with the tax discussion (aside from deduction discussions), as his donations are going to his fellow magic panty wearing friends...not to the government.
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LMFAO so 2 million in taxes plus what 2 million in charitable donations isnt enough for you sly?
Ill ask again, since none of you libtards seems to have an answer...
how much is enough, with and without charitable donations?
its a pretty straight forward fucking question sly maybe youll have better luck answering it as opposed to you mentally challenged friends.
Im waiting...
Stop sucking Romneys cock you brain washed fag.
The man has millions in off-shore accounts and pays only 14% in taxes yet you feel the need to defend the man?
The rest of us including you pay a far higher % yet you need to defend him? You are a pathetic fuck. Go watch some FOX news retard
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LMFAO so 2 million in taxes plus what 2 million in charitable donations isnt enough for you sly?
Ill ask again, since none of you libtards seems to have an answer...
how much is enough, with and without charitable donations?
its a pretty straight forward fucking question sly maybe youll have better luck answering it as opposed to you mentally challenged friends.
Im waiting...
the sum does not matter it is the percentage, what don't you get about that?
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No one is going to give you a set number. Some feel that there should be a straight tax across the board. Others feel that the people who make over $250,000 a year should pay a higher percentage of taxes than those that make $60,000 or less (or, more generally, make more - pay more in taxes).
The chances of changing anyone's mind in this thread regarding their tax beliefs, is slim to none. One reason this tax issue is so hot is because over 99% of American's make *SIGNIFICANTLY* less income per year than Romney, yet they have to pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than Romney - due to the loopholes for the rich. Many Americans find this to be terribly unfair and therefore the Romney/Ryan tax plan IS a major economic issue in this election, whether it should be or not and Romney is not gaining popularity from it.
With regard to the charitable donations, it is hard to say negative things against charitable people. However, it is Romney's choice to donate and it should have zero to do with the tax discussion (aside from deduction discussions), as his donations are going to his fellow magic panty wearing friends...not to the government.
There area loopholes everywhere. That being said, Romney's % is what it is because most, if not all, of it was taken from capital gains which is 15% long term and 20% short term. He also gives away a lot of his income to charity which is another deduction.
What we are seeing in that 14% number is just his income. We don't see property taxes, we don't see, correct me if I'm wrong, is state, local taxes either.
So, until we have those numbers the actual comparisons aren't really valid. That said, he still pays more (14%) in Federal taxes and the average middle-income family does in Federal taxes.
Stop the comparisons until we have apples to apples.
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So, until we have those numbers the actual comparisons aren't really valid. That said, he still pays more (14%) in Federal taxes and the average middle-income family does in Federal taxes.
Stop the comparisons until we have apples to apples.
According to the statistic I posted, he pays less than the average American in taxes. Moreover, if he paid a penny more than 14.1%, you better believe he would have been happy to show all the world...it would only help him in this election.
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According to the statistic I posted, he pays less than the average American in taxes. Moreover, if he paid a penny more than 14.1%, you better believe he would have been happy to show all the world...it would only help him in this election.
Welll duhhhhh - most of his income was already subjected to income taxes once. The 14% is on top of income taxes!
Not that incompetent libs will ever grasp that but it is what it is.
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Welll duhhhhh - most of his income was already subjected to income taxes once. The 14% is on top of income taxes!
Not that incompetent libs will ever grasp that but it is what it is.
I would hope most people are aware of this...I mean, there is a reason why his taxes are only 14%. It doesn't change the fact that his income for the year 2011 was over $13 million dollars. You pay taxes on your income earned whether it comes by way of interest/investments or not. That is the price of living in America. As such, most people don't sympathize with Romney or his tax plan allowing him to pay much less in taxes...if elected.
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I would hope most people are aware of this...I mean, there is a reason why his taxes are only 14%. It doesn't change the fact that his income for the year 2011 was over $13 million dollars. You pay taxes on your income earned whether it comes by way of interest/investments or not. That is the price of living in America. As such, most people don't sympathize with Romney or his tax plan allowing him to pay much less in taxes...if elected.
Cap Gains / investment income is not treated the same as earned income under the code.
Hate the code not the taxpayer
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Cap Gains / investment income is not treated the same as earned income under the code.
Hate the code not the taxpayer
Hence, the 14% rate, no one is arguing that. I don't hate either, I am merely stating why this tax issue isn't going well for Romney - well that and his off shore accounts, of course.
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Hence, the 14% rate, no one is arguing that. I don't hate either, I am merely stating why this tax issue isn't going well for Romney - well that and his off shore accounts, of course.
Personally I am in favor a very low flat rate across the board or do away with all taxes and have a flat national sales tax and thats' it.
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According to the statistic I posted, he pays less than the average American in taxes. Moreover, if he paid a penny more than 14.1%, you better believe he would have been happy to show all the world...it would only help him in this election.
What taxes are being compared in that statistic?
Federal?
State?
Local?
Capital Gains?
Income?
Corporate?
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What taxes are being compared in that statistic?
Federal?
State?
Local?
Capital Gains?
Income?
Corporate?
Federal income taxes as well as federal payroll taxes. The statistics from 2010-2011 seem to be very similar with regard to the graphic. I mention this because Romney did not share his federal payroll taxes with us on his 2011 tax return. Regardless, it would make a nominal, if any difference at all in the 2011 statistics. I base this on Romney's 2010 13.9% federal income tax rate where he did include his payroll taxes. In 2010, Romney paid one-tenth of 1 percent of his income in payroll taxes.
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That's great and all but I think it has more to do with those states being in the southern U.S. than it does with them being "Red States." Remember, those states were Blue about 30 or so years ago.
Do you mean about fifty years ago?
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Do you mean about fifty years ago?
Yes, sorry.Federal income taxes as well as federal payroll taxes. The statistics from 2010-2011 seem to be very similar with regard to the graphic. I mention this because Romney did not share his federal payroll taxes with us on his 2011 tax return. Regardless, it would make a nominal, if any difference at all in the 2011 statistics. I base this on Romney's 2010 13.9% federal income tax rate where he did include his payroll taxes. In 2010, Romney paid one-tenth of 1 percent of his income in payroll taxes.
Ok. But I still fail to see the big deal in all of this, and that is to say I don't think your making a stink, either. This stuff gets brought up every election cycle. And it goes exactly like it's going:
1.) The Republican is rich, evil and rich...and therefore cheating/stealing in some way. The Republican makes a lot of money which means that he is stealing from hardworking middle-class Americans and is, in some way, responsible for all their suffering. He is an unfeeling, uncaring monster who eats the very souls of children and uses living human beings as foot rests.
2.)The Democratic incumbent/challenger makes a shit load of money in roughly the same way as the Republican, pays the same amount in taxes, will be working in the same finance/lobbying sector after he/she retires from public service etc but it isn't ever really brought up in the media thus the Democrat is portrayed as an "in touch", middle-class person who doesn't make much and can totally relate to those that the evil Republican rich, white devil is feasting upon. This Democrat is a real working class hero.
Did I get all of that?
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Yes, sorry.
Ok. But I still fail to see the big deal in all of this, and that is to say I don't think your making a stink, either. This stuff gets brought up every election cycle. And it goes exactly like it's going:
1.) The Republican is rich, evil and rich...and therefore cheating/stealing in some way. The Republican makes a lot of money which means that he is stealing from hardworking middle-class Americans and is, in some way, responsible for all their suffering. He is an unfeeling, uncaring monster who eats the very souls of children and uses living human beings as foot rests.
2.)The Democratic incumbent/challenger makes a shit load of money in roughly the same way as the Republican, pays the same amount in taxes, will be working in the same finance/lobbying sector after he/she retires from public service etc but it isn't ever really brought up in the media thus the Democrat is portrayed as an "in touch", middle-class person who doesn't make much and can totally relate to those that the evil Republican rich, white devil is feasting upon. This Democrat is a real working class hero.
Did I get all of that?
I'm sure that you know about the Civil Rights Act of '64, as well as the political re-alignment that followed, but I'm not sure where you were going with your original post on the subject.
That said, you DO have a valid point in your analysis.
However, the difference is a POLICY difference. Sure, they can all get up on stage and preach to the middle class, but the Republican Party is not walking the walk in any policy sense.
Extension of tax cuts for the richest is indefensible at any time, but doubly so if middle-income earners are struggling in hard times and their cut is secondary.
You can lay the tired line of trickle-down economics if you wish, but please don't. It has never worked in the past and won't work in the future.
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Its like this:
Fact 1:
The republican party wants tax breaks for the rich while raising them on the middle class (Ryans Healthcare program etc...)
Fact 2:
The GOP have the highest number of voters on welfare.
The result:
The rich get richer
More people on welfare
= huge Deficits and the destuction of the middle classs.
Only braindead Neocon who lets FOX do their thinking can support the GOP.
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Its like this:
Fact 1:
The republican party wants tax breaks for the rich while raising them on the middle class (Ryans Healthcare program etc...)
Fact 2:
The GOP have the highest number of voters on welfare.
The result:
The rich get richer
More people on welfare
= huge Deficits and the destuction of the middle classs.
Only braindead Neocon who lets FOX do their thinking can support the GOP.
Oh boy..... :-\
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Oh boy..... :-\
Truth hurts doesnt it?
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Truth hurts doesnt it?
If you say so..... :-\