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They won't shut up, 33333.
They will criticize him for not paying 100% of it in taxes.
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He said he wasn't going to do this. I wish he'd stick with a position.
Tell the POS libs to shove their request up their asses.
He's desperate at this point. this eleciton sucks.
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He said he wasn't going to do this. I wish he'd stick with a position.
Tell the POS libs to shove their request up their asses.
He's desperate at this point. this eleciton sucks.
Probably got intel that the debate mods were going to try to ask him a question on it.
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Probably got intel that the debate mods were going to try to ask him a question on it.
Wow, that'd be a huge shocker, huh? lol
he knows senate is probably going dem. He knows he is sinking and the $ is drying up and he's in debt. He's desperate now, I think you can admit that 33.
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333 - you can't really be this stupid....can you?
he's releasing the 2011 returns which he said he would do all along
how about the ones from 1999 thru 2009
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WOW Obama is up to 72.4% chance of winning on Intrade. Up 15 points in the last WEEK dude. That's nuts.
As you know, in the 2008 eleciton, in trade was more accurate than rass, 538, or anyone else.
I'm sick to my stomach thinking obama is going to win, and win by a few dozen electoral votes. Doesn't look to be close in swing states anymore.
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333 - you can't really be this stupid....can you?
he's releasing the 2011 returns which he said he would do all along
how about the ones from 1999 thru 2009
They are releasing summaries from what i heard showing he paid 20% or something.
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They are releasing summaries from what i heard showing he paid 20% or something.
Doesn't mean a thing. Can be revised. Can be anyhting. "Summary" is not the same as the 10 years' he required of Paul Ryan.
It's like when mccain leaked a "summary" of his health being awesome... when he was getting operations frequently and having 'senior moments'.
Anyway, it's irrelevant. He's just throwing long balls now, hoping to get lucky somewhere. Ann ROmney attacking republicans. Many repubs abandoning him. The $ is all going to go to state races now. I'm sick to my stomach. This race sucks now. Sucks. Sucks.
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Doesn't mean a thing. Can be revised. Can be anyhting. "Summary" is not the same as the 10 years' he required of Paul Ryan.
It's like when mccain leaked a "summary" of his health being awesome... when he was getting operations frequently and having 'senior moments'.
Anyway, it's irrelevant. He's just throwing long balls now, hoping to get lucky somewhere. Ann ROmney attacking republicans. Many repubs abandoning him. The $ is all going to go to state races now. I'm sick to my stomach. This race sucks now. Sucks. Sucks.
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The founding fathers of this country fought a war to pay as little in taxes as they could to government scum. Romney is a true American patriot while King Obama is more reminiscent of the scumbag King of England.
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The founding fathers of this country fought a war to pay as little in taxes as they could to government scum. Romney is a true American patriot while King Obama is more reminiscent of the scumbag King of England.
The Lybian mess is really disgraceful.
And no one is even talking about the attack at the base in Afghanistan where 6 jets were destryoed!
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The Lybian mess is really disgraceful.
And no one is even talking about the attack at the base in Afghanistan where 6 jets were destryoed!
Better to distract us with talk about fucking tax returns. It's REALLY important that we know what Romney paid in taxes. Really. ::)
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They are releasing summaries from what i heard showing he paid 20% or something.
try 14.1%
not significantly different from 13.9%
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try 14.1%
not significantly different from 13.9%
Not significantly important, either.
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Not significantly important, either.
true
they are both basically the same # and much less than a wage earner making 250k would pay or a wage earner making 70k who is single and doesn't own a home
Romney is not responsible for the tax laws that favor passive income over wages earned in exchange for work
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try 14.1%
not significantly different from 13.9%
You're assuming that's not on money, already taxed.
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WOW Obama is up to 72.4% chance of winning on Intrade. Up 15 points in the last WEEK dude. That's nuts.
As you know, in the 2008 eleciton, in trade was more accurate than rass, 538, or anyone else.
I'm sick to my stomach thinking obama is going to win, and win by a few dozen electoral votes. Doesn't look to be close in swing states anymore.
Big deal!! All that means is that, if Romney wins, whoever bet on Intrade will go broke.
You really think that the left would be spewing out all these poll, oversampling Dems by 10-15 points, if Obama has a 72% chance of winning?
Take a good look at the country, at the events that have occurred in the last year alone, and at the erratic and pretzel-twisting that has happened in the Obama administration. Those HARDLY tell of someone who has this in the bag, which is what liberals have been trying to spew for a year and a half.
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Big deal!! All that means is that, if Romney wins, whoever bet on Intrade will go broke.
You really think that the left would be spewing out all these poll, oversampling Dems by 10-15 points, if Obama has a 72% chance of winning?
Take a good look at the country, at the events that have occurred in the last year alone, and at the erratic and pretzel-twisting that has happened in the Obama administration. Those HARDLY tell of someone who has this in the bag, which is what liberals have been trying to spew for a year and a half.
its not that people love obama. obama sucks.
it's that romney has recently shown himself to be incompetent. He can't run a campaign. How's he gonna run the country? We don't know what this guy believes in.
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its not that people love obama. obama sucks.
it's that romney has recently shown himself to be incompetent. He can't run a campaign. How's he gonna run the country? We don't know what this guy believes in.
He ran a state and a business competently. Gives me more confidence of taking a chance on him than Obama's disastrous record of decay, deficit, debt, depression, delusion, denial, deceit, and despair.
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its not that people love obama. obama sucks.
it's that romney has recently shown himself to be incompetent. He can't run a campaign. How's he gonna run the country? We don't know what this guy believes in.
He's running neck-and-neck, with an incumbent with the media so latched onto his nuts, that the First Lady may accuse him of adultery.
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He ran a state and a business competently. Gives me more confidence of taking a chance on him than Obama's disastrous record of decay, deficit, debt, depression, delusion, denial, deceit, and despair.
So he is awesome.. As per your statements about him during the Primaries.. Lol
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So he is awesome.. As per your statements about him during the Primaries.. Lol
No - did I say that?
And yes he is a liar. But i will take a chance on him since while he will likely stink - obama is a DISASTER beyond measure
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He released his 2011 returns....not 12 years like his father did....meaningless... ::)
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He released his 2011 returns....not 12 years like his father did....meaningless... ::)
was it the full return? ot just a summary?
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He released his 2011 returns....not 12 years like his father did....meaningless... ::)
Who cares, other than the lefties who'd rather discuss anything but Obama's disasters?
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It's only one year, let's see the last 10 years. What's commical is the amount he donated,I'm sure he only did it cause he knew he was running. Also he didn't take the full deduction for it, I will bet you anything he took the full deductions the previous 10 years...
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Who cares, other than the lefties who'd rather discuss anything but Obama's disasters?
newt and santorum cared.
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It's only one year, let's see the last 10 years. What's commical is the amount he donated,I'm sure he only did it cause he knew he was running. Also he didn't take the full deduction for it, I will bet you anything he took the full deductions the previous 10 years...
And the problem with taking the full deductions would be......
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And the problem with taking the full deductions would be......
Nothing at all, Everyone should. So why do you think he didn't take the full deductions on his donations? That's my point it looks suspicious. Show me 10 years and they look the same as 2011, 1point Romney in my book.
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Yawn. Who cares?
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Nothing at all, Everyone should. So why do you think he didn't take the full deductions on his donations? That's my point it looks suspicious. Show me 10 years and they look the same as 2011, 1point Romney in my book.
There's little suspicious about it, other than an obsession by liberals to focus on that, instead of Obama's futility.
Now, if you saw Coach's thread, the lefties are bellyaching that Romney paid TOO MUCH in taxes and gave TOO MUCH to charity.
How cracked in the skull can they possibly be on this matter?
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There's little suspicious about it, other than an obsession by liberals to focus on that, instead of Obama's futility.
Sort of like Obama's birth certificate fiasco huh?
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Sort of like Obama's birth certificate fiasco huh?
Obama's BC is going to be the 9th wonder of the world w all that shady bs
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really funny how the person who hated Romney in favor of Palin, Cain, etc, now is his biggest defender
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really funny how the person who hated Romney in favor of Palin, Cain, etc, now is his biggest defender
Im ABO moron. Get it? I would vote for son of sam over obama
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You're assuming that's not on money, already taxed.
I'm not assuming that at all
I don't give a rats ass if the income used for dividends is taxed before it's paid out to shareholders
It's still income to the individual receiving the dividend and it's taxed at a lower rate than income received for actually exchanging labor for money (i.e. - wages)
btw - last time I checked GE Corporation paid little or no taxes yet still paid a dividend so I'm sure there are many ways to avoid taxes while still paying out dividends
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Apparently he "paid a little extra" to get to 14%
Or so I read online.
I don't really give a shit... I use every loophole I can too.
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Apparently he "paid a little extra" to get to 14%
Or so I read online.
I don't really give a shit... I use every loophole I can too.
yep, he chose not to take all his legally eligible deductions in order to keep his tax rate above 13%
The funny thing is that he said his earlier in the year:
I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president. I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UFzFtKRSRea
the odd part of this personally confessed "standard" for qualification to be POTUS not only eliminates himself but his father who famously chose to not take all the deductions that he could when the marginal tax rates were much higher (but also when we had many more loopholes)
If we take Romney at his word (yes, I know that is laughable) then he is not qualified to be POTUS
btw - after Romney loses in November there is nothing preventing him from filing an ammended return and getting all his legally eligible deductions so this is not another blatant and pathetic ploy just like the spray tan when talking to hispanic voters earlier this week
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btw - after Romney loses in November there is nothing preventing him from filing an ammended return and getting all his legally eligible deductions so this is not another blatant and pathetic ploy just like the spray tan when talking to hispanic voters earlier this week
Both of them are full of pathetic ploys to pander to their intended audience. Calling one out is hypocritical and stupid.
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Both of them are full of pathetic ploys to pander to their intended audience. Calling one out is hypocritical and stupid.
that's total nonsense and really a pathetic excuse
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The truth is that no one really cares if he paid 10%, 13% or 25%... They care that he paid his taxes as legally required... Which is fine.
If I were him, I would not even have paid one red cent more.
His tax rate is NOT his problem... It's the other shit he does that's fucking him over.
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that's total nonsense and really a pathetic excuse
My point, is that they both do the same type of pathetic ploys, and yet you blame one while totally ignoring the other, which is hypocritical and stupid.
I personally hate both candidates.
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My point, is that they both do the same type of pathetic ploys, and yet you blame one while totally ignoring the other, which is hypocritical and stupid.
I personally hate both candidates.
how am I required to go search out what you believe would be an equivalent thing by Obama in order to comment on Romney
If you've got something stupid, weird, lame that Obama has done then make a thread (and I assume you will apply your own standard and include and equivalent thing by Romney) and I will comment on it
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how am I required to go search out what you believe would be an equivalent thing by Obama in order to comment on Romney
If you've got something stupid, weird, lame that Obama has done then make a thread (and I assume you will apply your own standard and include and equivalent thing by Romney) and I will comment on it
*sigh*
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*sigh*
Romney's tax returns were in the news yesterday
why do you think I (as an individual) or even a new agency can't comment on them without also digging up something on Obama to comment about
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Romney's tax returns were in the news yesterday
why do you think I (as an individual) or even a new agency can't comment on them without also digging up something on Obama to comment about
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Thats not what I'm saying. You're missing the whole point, that there is no difference between the two, but you never, ever criticize Obama but you're all over Romney's nuts about the same fucking things that Obama does.
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Harry Reid and Joe Biden must be related...hahahaha
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/21/reid-avoids-prior-claims-blasts-romneys-accounting-wizards/
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Thats not what I'm saying. You're missing the whole point, that there is no difference between the two, but you never, ever criticize Obama but you're all over Romney's nuts about the same fucking things that Obama does.
I have criticized Obama MANY TIMES so when you say I "never ever criticize Obama" you are 100% wrong
if you think I'm criticizing Romney for the "same fucking things that Obama does" then you're 100% wrong too
I criticized Romney for not releasing his tax returns and Obama has released his for many years (I thin the last 10 or more).
I also don't agree for a second that there is no difference between Obama and Romney
I know that's a popular thing to say these days, I don't agree with it at all
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newt and santorum cared.
bingo.
plus, this is yet another 'flip flop' by Mitt.
first wasn't going to release any more.
and now this?
cant he make a decision and stick to it?
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bingo.
plus, this is yet another 'flip flop' by Mitt.
first wasn't going to release any more.
and now this?
cant he make a decision and stick to it?
Mittens flilp flopping is better than oblah blah since mittens has a 50% of getting it right. OThug always gets it wrong on everything, all the time.
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bingo.
plus, this is yet another 'flip flop' by Mitt.
first wasn't going to release any more.
and now this?
cant he make a decision and stick to it?
well, he didnt release them. he released a statement about them. We don't konw if its true. he's claiming he overpaid, right? makes no sense to me to move all that $ offshore so you can pay MORE than required. After he said nobody in their right mind would do that.
Doesn't matter. we all know where this campaign is headed... Desperation :( He's all over the map these days - hunkering down with the right, defending his 47% comment. THEN pandering to the Univision bunch 2 days later... NOW giving out partial tax info on a 4 pm friday news dump so he can say during debates "but but but I did release them".
Desperation. I can't watch politics on tv anymore, i know where this one is headed. 1996 all over again.
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yep, he chose not to take all his legally eligible deductions in order to keep his tax rate above 13%
The funny thing is that he said his earlier in the year:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UFzFtKRSRea
the odd part of this personally confessed "standard" for qualification to be POTUS not only eliminates himself but his father who famously chose to not take all the deductions that he could when the marginal tax rates were much higher (but also when we had many more loopholes)
If we take Romney at his word (yes, I know that is laughable) then he is not qualified to be POTUS
btw - after Romney loses in November there is nothing preventing him from filing an ammended return and getting all his legally eligible deductions so this is not another blatant and pathetic ploy just like the spray tan when talking to hispanic voters earlier this week
great post,there is no way to argue this. If there is I'd like to see someone try.
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well, he didnt release them. he released a statement about them. We don't konw if its true. he's claiming he overpaid, right? makes no sense to me to move all that $ offshore so you can pay MORE than required. After he said nobody in their right mind would do that.
Doesn't matter. we all know where this campaign is headed... Desperation :( He's all over the map these days - hunkering down with the right, defending his 47% comment. THEN pandering to the Univision bunch 2 days later... NOW giving out partial tax info on a 4 pm friday news dump so he can say during debates "but but but I did release them".
Desperation. I can't watch politics on tv anymore, i know where this one is headed. 1996 all over again.
And obama on univision? Most disgaceful presenation by Othug in a long time. lie after lie by that disgusting ghetto maggot.
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And obama on univision? Most disgaceful presenation by Othug in a long time. lie after lie by that disgusting ghetto maggot.
obviously, obama was pandering on obamavision - but really, WTF does this have to do with our discussion? If anything, you remind us that obama has CONSISTENTLY been a weak, left-wing ass kisser.
Romney, on the other hand, woudl have gotten booed off the RNC stage with that piece-of-shit speech he gave on univision, complete with fake tan to pander visually.
So yes, thank you for helping the left, pointing out that however misguided, obama is predictable and constant. Romney is unstable, unpredictable, and really just keeps changing back and forth.
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Interesting read.
http://www.politicususa.com/romney-lawyer-admits-manipuated-taxes-conform-13-claim.html
Romney Lawyer Admits They Manipulated Taxes to Conform to 13% Claim
By: Sarah Jones
September 22nd, 2012
Mitt Romney’s lawyer admitted to the Democratic accusation that the Romneys could have paid a lot less in taxes in 2011, but they manipulated the returns so as to conform to an August Romney claim that he always paid at least 13%.
The AP reported:
But, Brad Malt acknowledged, the couple “limited their deductions of charitable contributions to conform to the governor’s statement in August, based on the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.”
If you were wondering why Romney dumped his tax returns on Friday a week before they were due, we’re told it’s because he didn’t want the issue to muddy the debate waters. However, he has done nothing but hand Democrats a justification for their tax the rich a bit more policies. Mitt Romney’s taxes are becoming the poster child example of all that is wrong with our current tax codes.
One reason Romney pays so little is that most of his income comes from capital gains, rather than “income” and is thus taxed at a much lower rate. He also takes advantage of tax shelters and loopholes that have been the target of the Obama administration. The fact that Romney pays so little seems at odds with his disdain for the “47 percent” of Americans he claims don’t pay any taxes, and further at odds with his expression that he feels more Americans would like to pay taxes. After all, Mitt Romney clearly doesn’t like paying taxes.
Tax experts point out that Romney’s returns are missing a few details:
What’s missing, tax experts say, are the details of Romney’s retirement account from Bain Capital, including investments in offshore accounts in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
Another factor thrown into the mix is the fact that Romney’s 20 year average of his taxes is a “simple one (i.e., the average of the percentage in each year) rather than a weighted one (i.e., where you add up all the tax paid across the 20 years and divide it by all the income).”
It’s a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally — whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.
Romney told us that paying more than he owed would disqualify him from the presidency, but he has now paid more than he owed in order to make his earlier statement about never paying below 13% appear to be true. Not to worry, though, Mitt Romney can merely amend his return after the election in order to get that money back from the government, like any 47%-er would want to do.
Harry Reid points out in a statement from his office, “That raises the question: what else in those returns has Romney manipulated?”
As our former President warned us, “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
Thanks, W. We’ll try to keep that in mind.
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Mitt Romney’s lawyer admitted to the Democratic accusation that the Romneys could have paid a lot less in taxes in 2011, but they manipulated the returns so as to conform to an August Romney claim that he always paid at least 13%.
Watch, he will be "correcting'' his statement in time for the Sunday morning news shows.
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There's little suspicious about it, other than an obsession by liberals to focus on that, instead of Obama's futility.
Now, if you saw Coach's thread, the lefties are bellyaching that Romney paid TOO MUCH in taxes and gave TOO MUCH to charity.
How cracked in the skull can they possibly be on this matter?
You do realize that he did that because he knew he was going to run and thought it would paint him as some sort of saint?
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Interesting read.
http://www.politicususa.com/romney-lawyer-admits-manipuated-taxes-conform-13-claim.html
Romney Lawyer Admits They Manipulated Taxes to Conform to 13% Claim
By: Sarah Jones
September 22nd, 2012
Mitt Romney’s lawyer admitted to the Democratic accusation that the Romneys could have paid a lot less in taxes in 2011, but they manipulated the returns so as to conform to an August Romney claim that he always paid at least 13%.
The AP reported:
But, Brad Malt acknowledged, the couple “limited their deductions of charitable contributions to conform to the governor’s statement in August, based on the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.”
If you were wondering why Romney dumped his tax returns on Friday a week before they were due, we’re told it’s because he didn’t want the issue to muddy the debate waters. However, he has done nothing but hand Democrats a justification for their tax the rich a bit more policies. Mitt Romney’s taxes are becoming the poster child example of all that is wrong with our current tax codes.
One reason Romney pays so little is that most of his income comes from capital gains, rather than “income” and is thus taxed at a much lower rate. He also takes advantage of tax shelters and loopholes that have been the target of the Obama administration. The fact that Romney pays so little seems at odds with his disdain for the “47 percent” of Americans he claims don’t pay any taxes, and further at odds with his expression that he feels more Americans would like to pay taxes. After all, Mitt Romney clearly doesn’t like paying taxes.
Tax experts point out that Romney’s returns are missing a few details:
What’s missing, tax experts say, are the details of Romney’s retirement account from Bain Capital, including investments in offshore accounts in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
Another factor thrown into the mix is the fact that Romney’s 20 year average of his taxes is a “simple one (i.e., the average of the percentage in each year) rather than a weighted one (i.e., where you add up all the tax paid across the 20 years and divide it by all the income).”
It’s a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally — whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.
Romney told us that paying more than he owed would disqualify him from the presidency, but he has now paid more than he owed in order to make his earlier statement about never paying below 13% appear to be true. Not to worry, though, Mitt Romney can merely amend his return after the election in order to get that money back from the government, like any 47%-er would want to do.
Harry Reid points out in a statement from his office, “That raises the question: what else in those returns has Romney manipulated?”
As our former President warned us, “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
Thanks, W. We’ll try to keep that in mind.
hmmmmm
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So romney gets attacked by the left wing pieces of cow dung for both at the same time paying too little and paying too much.
Typical of the leftist communists.