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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on September 26, 2012, 03:48:48 PM
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I have endured some trials and tribulations in my life .
Like most getbiggers, I really don't have any great wisdom or advice.
Just do your best to stay out of prison and avoid getting hit by a train.
That's all I have to say about that.
" Forest"
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Lol I think Im content with my 2 dozen beer and a tippy canoe plan. ;)
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Well said Howard!!
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So is drifting apart mean she was fucking someone else or you were fucking someone else? Drifting apart is code speak for wanting to fuck someone else.
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Why the hell do you keep getting married past 1-2 failed marriages? Religious beliefs, being optimistic, etc. just wondering, not hating on ya.
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You had no kids Howie so basically you had girlfriends. Things don't get real intense until that baby pops out trust me.
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did you "drift apart" basically cause you got tired of fucking her Howard
serious question
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Howard
You didn't talk about the bodybuilding. What was the attraction?
You had some serious problems thrown at you in life. If your dad committed suicide, I bet he wasn't father of the year either. How did that factor in?
You ex wife being a psychologist screams that she had issues growing up too.
There's a lot more to this story that you may not even realized. Just ending up where you are today is extremely misleading even if you have the right intentions.
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Particualarly im not a fan of Howards posting style but he seems like an ok man i guess
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A wise man told me that marriage is just like taking a bath, the water eventually gets cold... Some men/women have a need to belong to someone and can't live alone , obviously you thought that last marriage was "the one" yet it didn't last past 10 years, what's wrong with just dating ???? You have your place and she has hers ,more likely that arrangement will keep the passion going and at some point you gotta ask yourself was it the 3 previous ex'es or was it you that was the weak link, best of luck!
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Particualarly im not a fan of Howards posting style but he seems like an ok man i guess
Pigeon-ness observation
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hang in there howard cut back on the meat eating you dont want any more heme-iron bro , nnothing good about that stuff.
In a few years id like to see you comeback on getbig with a fresh posting style and a cleaned up diet bro
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Why the hell do you keep getting married past 1-2 failed marriages? Religious beliefs, being optimistic, etc. just wondering, not hating on ya.
Nothing to do with religion or morals.
I really enjoy being with one woman in a serious relationship and building a life together.
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Howard you are totally missing the point. The reason why relationships don't last anymore is because of feminism and feminine men. Women have far too much power in our modern society, power which in a healthy society they would be deprived of. There is a logical reason for why black males were allowed to vote before white women in the USA lol.
Marriage usually was permanant back in the first half of the twentieth century and yes people changed then but they learnt to adapt to eachothers changes for the sake of their children and due to peer pressure. If a woman left her husband without a damn good reason back in the early 20th century then she would be scorned by all those around her and left out on her ass.
Today if a woman leaves her husband all her friends/family give her a pat on the back and the mainstream media encourages women to shit all over men. Don't even bother trying to get married unless there is a radical change in society and we revert back to the kind of values system we had 100 years ago.
Howard you are talking like a feminine man, sorry to say it but you are part of the problem if you hadn't already worked out what I posted above.
Marriage back in the old days was a sign that you were going to start a family, it was not just some mandatory thing done by people in a long term relationship. It seems like you have the "modern" view on marriage and are as bad as the air headed women you see on daytime television.
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Howard you are totally missing the point. The reason why relationships don't last anymore is because of feminism and feminine men. Women have far too much power in our modern society, power which in a healthy society they would be deprived of. There is a logical reason for why black males were allowed to vote before white women in the USA lol.
Marriage usually was permanant back in the first half of the twentieth century and yes people changed then but they learnt to adapt to eachothers changes for the sake of their children and due to peer pressure. If a woman left her husband without a damn good reason back in the early 20th century then she would be scorned by all those around her and left out on her ass.
Today if a woman leaves her husband all her friends/family give her a pat on the back and the mainstream media encourages women to shit all over men. Don't even bother trying to get married unless there is a radical change in society and we revert back to the kind of values system we had 100 years ago.
Howard you are talking like a feminine man, sorry to say it but you are part of the problem if you hadn't already worked out what I posted above.
Woman stayed back in the day because they had no viable choices or alternatives .
Maybe guys like you want to own a woman but I don't.
Call me what you will, but I will consider my wife to be my equal partner.
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Howard, your problem ...and I say this cause I have read your post and watched your lil videos for the past decade.... your problem is that your a tool.
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Woman stayed back in the day because they had no viable choices or alternatives .
Maybe guys like you want to own a woman but I don't.
Call me what you will, but I will consider my wife to be my equal partner.
PRIME EXAMPLE OF A "MODERN" "FEMININE" MAN. You will get shit on eventually by this new woman and you DESERVE IT.
This is also why the white race is dying out. I bet you teach your kids not to be racist and if your daughter brought home a black you would just be "Glad she has found a person she likes".
Damn I'm glad the Clinton baby boomer generation is on the way out and the new generation is hardened by having to deal with the filthy society people like Howard have passed onto them.
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My dad was always there as a kid and didn't kill himself until I was 28.
He was a Navy vet of 2 wars and nobody really knows exactly why he did it.
I loved bodybuilding from the first time I got a pec and bicep pump useing my wt set in my basement at age 17.
I am not sure about anyone else, I just know I am quite happy , content and in love right now
You were 28 was it even a real suicide killing yourself past 60 isnt suicide.
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You were 28 was it even a real suicide killing yourself past 60 isnt suicide.
I agree with this. If you off yourself because you are old or sick then more power to you.
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Howard, your problem ...and I say this cause I have read your post and watched your lil videos for the past decade.... your problem is that your a tool.
wrench, hammer or nails?
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I wish it was that simple. I married her when she was still in graduate school. She is a national board certified psychologist and I find smart woman a lot more sexy then dumb ones. We were married for 8 yrs but in the later stages she wanted a more independent lifestyle and to live in her own place. We got divorced on good terms.Without getting too personal, we dated and lived in separate places for a couple years , a yr AFTER we divorced.
We spent most weekends and vactions together along with 1 night during the work week.
That was pretty cool and we both enjoyed it for awhile. I found it too lonely after a couple years and gradually moved on.
She seemed pretty happy in that situation and I gotta admit the sex was awesome LOL.
Outed.
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Semper Fidelis
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PRIME EXAMPLE OF A "MODERN" "FEMININE" MAN. You will get shit on eventually by this new woman and you DESERVE IT.
This is also why the white race is dying out. I bet you teach your kids not to be racist and if your daughter brought home a black you would just be "Glad she has found a person she likes".
Damn I'm glad the Clinton baby boomer generation is on the way out and the new generation is hardened by having to deal with the filthy society people like Howard have passed onto them.
How's life in 1909?
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Outed.
LOL, caught me with my mouth open :o
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Semper Fidelis
Ooha Rah Devil Dog! I was 3rd Btn , PISC bootcamp.
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PRIME EXAMPLE OF A "MODERN" "FEMININE" MAN. You will get shit on eventually by this new woman and you DESERVE IT.
This is also why the white race is dying out. I bet you teach your kids not to be racist and if your daughter brought home a black you would just be "Glad she has found a person she likes".
Damn I'm glad the Clinton baby boomer generation is on the way out and the new generation is hardened by having to deal with the filthy society people like Howard have passed onto them.
Good post 8)
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PRIME EXAMPLE OF A "MODERN" "FEMININE" MAN. You will get shit on eventually by this new woman and you DESERVE IT.
This is also why the white race is dying out. I bet you teach your kids not to be racist and if your daughter brought home a black you would just be "Glad she has found a person she likes".
Damn I'm glad the Clinton baby boomer generation is on the way out and the new generation is hardened by having to deal with the filthy society people like Howard have passed onto them.
Best post I've read on here in a long time. SPOT ON.
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Howard you are totally missing the point. The reason why relationships don't last anymore is because of feminism and feminine men. Women have far too much power in our modern society, power which in a healthy society they would be deprived of. There is a logical reason for why black males were allowed to vote before white women in the USA lol.
Marriage usually was permanant back in the first half of the twentieth century and yes people changed then but they learnt to adapt to eachothers changes for the sake of their children and due to peer pressure. If a woman left her husband without a damn good reason back in the early 20th century then she would be scorned by all those around her and left out on her ass.
Today if a woman leaves her husband all her friends/family give her a pat on the back and the mainstream media encourages women to shit all over men. Don't even bother trying to get married unless there is a radical change in society and we revert back to the kind of values system we had 100 years ago.
Howard you are talking like a feminine man, sorry to say it but you are part of the problem if you hadn't already worked out what I posted above.
Marriage back in the old days was a sign that you were going to start a family, it was not just some mandatory thing done by people in a long term relationship. It seems like you have the "modern" view on marriage and are as bad as the air headed women you see on daytime television.
This guy totally gets it! Great Post!
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I wish it was that simple. I married her when she was still in graduate school. She is a national board certified psychologist and I find smart woman a lot more sexy then dumb ones. We were married for 8 yrs but in the later stages she wanted a more independent lifestyle and to live in her own place. We got divorced on good terms.Without getting too personal, we dated and lived in separate places for a couple years , a yr AFTER we divorced.
We spent most weekends and vactions together along with 1 night during the work week.
That was pretty cool and we both enjoyed it for awhile. I found it too lonely after a couple years and gradually moved on.
She seemed pretty happy in that situation and I gotta admit the sex was awesome LOL.
You had issues in your life and married a psychologist...you needn't go on...
And no Method101, that is not the reason why relationships don't last anymore...try another door.
In societies where women choose men, they have always had the power---many women today haven't been shown by their mothers to require what they want from men---they have been shown to getting an education and doing for one's self.
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The Clinton generation part is hilarious, because it's dead on. I think our generation might be a good one, like our grandparents and great grandparents. 8)
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What are you gaining by chronically marrying women?
It seems like you're set on living the "American Dream", with kids, dog, etc.
In the end, marriage is just a financial agreement. People are sold this from a youngster that this is the "ultimate" in a relationship...everyone knows it's anal...with women, no homo. ;)
You have to love the married guys who tell you, "Don't get married." Then wtf are you married.
2 reasons, scared to be alone...or afraid the girl will leave.
Unless your woman has a ton of cash, you're a fool to get married...sorry.
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LOL, anal the ultimate hahaha. good one ( and true ;).
Well Croatch, for starters ( again) I never had kids nor wanted any.
I have lived alone and enjoyed it for awhile , between marriages.
It is all about getting meaning out of life.
Having a partner beside me , building a life together, gives my life more meaning then being alone.
The reality is , people can change over time and that may change the dymnamic within the relationship.
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wrench, hammer or nails?
r u listing 'men' you want to sleep with ?
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Have you ever had "the one that got away"?
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So ... where is all the wisdom gained? Communicate with your wife? That's it?
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Howard you are totally missing the point. The reason why relationships don't last anymore is because of feminism and feminine men. Women have far too much power in our modern society, power which in a healthy society they would be deprived of. There is a logical reason for why black males were allowed to vote before white women in the USA lol.
Marriage usually was permanant back in the first half of the twentieth century and yes people changed then but they learnt to adapt to eachothers changes for the sake of their children and due to peer pressure. If a woman left her husband without a damn good reason back in the early 20th century then she would be scorned by all those around her and left out on her ass.
Today if a woman leaves her husband all her friends/family give her a pat on the back and the mainstream media encourages women to shit all over men. Don't even bother trying to get married unless there is a radical change in society and we revert back to the kind of values system we had 100 years ago.
Howard you are talking like a feminine man, sorry to say it but you are part of the problem if you hadn't already worked out what I posted above.
Marriage back in the old days was a sign that you were going to start a family, it was not just some mandatory thing done by people in a long term relationship. It seems like you have the "modern" view on marriage and are as bad as the air headed women you see on daytime television.
All kinds of yes to this post...
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so you say you're attracted to "smart" women....but your current fiance is willing to be your 4th wife?????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
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My dad was always there as a kid and didn't kill himself until I was 28.
He was a Navy vet of 2 wars and nobody really knows exactly why he did it.
I loved bodybuilding from the first time I got a pec and bicep pump useing my wt set in my basement at age 17.
I am not sure about anyone else, I just know I am quite happy , content and in love right now
sorry about your Father. You are like a Guy i know. Trouble is women know how to "trap" some guys... but all the best with your new Woman.. ;D
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I often wonder what someone is thinking when they marry for the 3rd or 4th time. Did the first two marriages not count? Is it for real this time? Does a marriage vow really mean anything to this person? This is not a negative judgement nor a criticism; I'm genuinely curious what the bride or groom is thinking. And if you are marrying someone who has been married three or four times previously, are you thinking that your relationship will be the successful one?
Does "...in sickness and in health for as long as you both shall live?" really mean anything? Or is it just a metaphor for "I'll stay for as long as I'm happy... and then I'm outta here because life is short and there are plenty of other fish in the sea."
Liz was from a generation that believed it was not permissible to have sex unless you were married, but very few people think that way today. So why get married 3, 4, or 5 times? By the time you are walking down the aisle for the 3rd or 4th time it is too late to look "respectable" so why do it? ???
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I like this thread, and I feel like you have given me some solid advice. I mean know disrespect by this, but I don't understand marrying 4 times and not wanting children. Assuming my marriage doesn't work out, I can't see having a desire to remarry unless I did want to start s family. Obviously there are differing views on here.
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I often wonder what someone is thinking when they marry for the 3rd or 4th time. Did the first two marriages not count? Is it for real this time? Does a marriage vow really mean anything to this person? This is not a negative judgement nor a criticism; I'm genuinely curious what the bride or groom is thinking. And if you are marrying someone who has been married three or four times previously, are you thinking that your relationship will be the successful one?
Does "...in sickness and in health for as long as you both shall live?" really mean anything? Or is it just a metaphor for "I'll stay for as long as I'm happy... and then I'm outta here because life is short and there are plenty of other fish in the sea."
Liz was from a generation that believed it was not permissible to have sex unless you were married, but very few people think that way today. So why get married 3, 4, or 5 times? By the time you are walking down the aisle for the 3rd or 4th time it is too late to look "respectable" so why do it? ???
thats why you shouldn't take marriage advice from someone who has been divorced. you should take marriage advice from people who have been happily married one time to one person. the people who have been divorced don't have any clue on how to be married. all they know is how to get divorced. and how to rationalize breaking a vow they made before God and their family after the fact in order to feel better about themselves.
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thats why you shouldn't take marriage advice from someone who has been divorced. you should take marriage advice from people who have been happily married one time to one person. the people who have been divorced don't have any clue on how to be married. all they know is how to get divorced. and how to rationalize breaking a vow they made before God and their family after the fact in order to feel better about themselves.
This.
If I'm getting divorced, then I'll listen to Howard.
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I often wonder what someone is thinking when they marry for the 3rd or 4th time. Did the first two marriages not count? Is it for real this time? Does a marriage vow really mean anything to this person? This is not a negative judgement nor a criticism; I'm genuinely curious what the bride or groom is thinking. And if you are marrying someone who has been married three or four times previously, are you thinking that your relationship will be the successful one?
Does "...in sickness and in health for as long as you both shall live?" really mean anything? Or is it just a metaphor for "I'll stay for as long as I'm happy... and then I'm outta here because life is short and there are plenty of other fish in the sea."
Liz was from a generation that believed it was not permissible to have sex unless you were married, but very few people think that way today. So why get married 3, 4, or 5 times? By the time you are walking down the aisle for the 3rd or 4th time it is too late to look "respectable" so why do it? ???
good post!
howard i believe not wanting kids may have something to do with your incessant stream of divorces...
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A person can be an experienced man but still a total idiot so don't play that game with us Howard.
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A person can be an experienced man but still a total idiot so don't play that game with us Howard.
Maybe I have some hard won wisdom on this, or maybe I'm an idiot? Your call .
In the end we all have our own opinions.
Each night after we log off from getbig we reflect on our own day and live with our choices.
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This.
If I'm getting divorced, then I'll listen to Howard.
well played :-*
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Really? So by that logic you would never listen to a coach that ever lost a big game?
Ya know you can make a vow to stay in any crappy situation and stick it out for the sake of the vow.
Or you can be objective and move on .
1. I'm not very religous, so for me the "vow before God" stuff doesn't mean much.
2. I went into each marriage and stayed consistant with what was agreed upon before we got married.
For example, the first two changed a yr or more after we married and decided they now wanted kids.
THAT was a complete deal breaker for me. The 3rd simply wanted to live in her own place and live a more independent lifestyle.
I tried it and after a time realized it didn't work for me. I gotta admit the sex with the 3rd ex was always good and was really intense when we lived in separate places . being a guy that kept me comming back for awhile and I'm not ashamed to admit it :D
All 3 ex wives changed and brought in new desires and situations within the marriage.
I knew what wanted and didn't change from the start...they did. I assume each one was sincere in her new feelings. I was just as sincere in the deire NOT to have kids or even live in separate places.
I'm going to love my woman and cherish her being with me.
>:( BUT, I won't be a doormat and cave in on my core beliefs just because she has a change of heart. >:(
I'm more like a velvet glove , then a hammer, in how I deal with woman.
I smile, talk calmly and treat them with love, dignity and respect.
BUT, if she tries to get me to have a kid or live a lifestyle I don't agree with from the start, then it's adios sweety.
You don't have to be all macho and verbose to be a real man with a woman.
For example, if my woman told me I needed to quit the gym , I would try to explain it to her and just keep going.
If she kept throwing a fit, I would calmly tell her that was not going to fly and we may not be compatible, etc.
Fair enough, but does a vow have to be made before “god” for it to have meaning to you? Isn’t the vow you are making to your spouse and to yourself? When you got married did the promise to “love, honor… for as long as you both shall live” have any meaning to you? I’m not saying divorce is not an option, but by the time one is making that same vow for the third and fourth time it becomes a bit of a mockery doesn’t it?
“I know I promised to ‘love, honor… for as long as we both shall live’ two or three times before with other women, but this time I mean it.” :-\
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My query is not really about having kids, rather it is about making what is ostensibly a lifelong commitment—again and again and again with different women. Why pretend to make that commitment in a very public and legal fashion if one is prepared to bail when the going gets tough and do it again with the next lady who comes along? It seems to make a mockery of marriage when people drop in and out of marriage like a fast food restaurant.
If you don’t believe in sex outside of marriage then there is a case for serial marriages, but that does not appear to be your thesis.
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Howard you are totally missing the point. The reason why relationships don't last anymore is because of feminism and feminine men. Women have far too much power in our modern society, power which in a healthy society they would be deprived of. There is a logical reason for why black males were allowed to vote before white women in the USA lol.
Marriage usually was permanant back in the first half of the twentieth century and yes people changed then but they learnt to adapt to eachothers changes for the sake of their children and due to peer pressure. If a woman left her husband without a damn good reason back in the early 20th century then she would be scorned by all those around her and left out on her ass.
Today if a woman leaves her husband all her friends/family give her a pat on the back and the mainstream media encourages women to shit all over men. Don't even bother trying to get married unless there is a radical change in society and we revert back to the kind of values system we had 100 years ago.
Howard you are talking like a feminine man, sorry to say it but you are part of the problem if you hadn't already worked out what I posted above.
Marriage back in the old days was a sign that you were going to start a family, it was not just some mandatory thing done by people in a long term relationship. It seems like you have the "modern" view on marriage and are as bad as the air headed women you see on daytime television.
Truth, especially the bold. Men are devastated for years after a divorce. Women have a few girls night outs, ride a new dick and move right along. Almost 70% of divorces are initiated by women. The main reasons are that they don't need men financially any more and they have a disposable attitude when it comes to us. Just get another one. :-\
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Truth, especially the bold. Men are devastated for years after a divorce. Women have a few girls night outs, ride a new dick and move right along. Almost 70% of divorces are initiated by women. The main reasons are that they don't need men financially any more and they have a disposable attitude when it comes to us. Just get another one. :-\
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. How many old men dump their wives at midlife for some PYT? ::)
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He knew.
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haven't we alrdy gone over this shit?
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This was the dark haired bat shit crazy looking chick?
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dat be her.
I would call it more of a wild eyes wombat look, but to each his own.
No, seriously, she was a sweet sexy woman who was a fun chick to hang out with.
I hope she is doing well and having fun.
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in theory that would work, but at you found out in practice it failcanned.
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Let me get this straight, you're getting married for the 4th time & giving out relationship advice?
What the fuuuuck is wrong with you?
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:)
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Let me get this straight, you're getting married for the 4th time & giving out relationship advice?
What the fuuuuck is wrong with you?
I dunno, some nice Catholic priests screw alter boys, never get married and couples find their marital counseling helpful?
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:)
Now THAT is what this thread should be all about.
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What's her phone number?
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So was this an 'open' relationship while you lived separately or was it supposed to be monogamous? If monogamous, were either of you getting any on the side?
I couldn't handle that sort of relationship personally but each to their own.
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so youre basically friends with benefits?
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so youre basically friends with benefits?
Yup , I guess so.
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We had both been with other people after the divorce and agreed the sex life would be monogomous from that point on.
I thought it was ideal but I became unhappy with that situation. Not really sure why, but I was ?????
any thoughts on why this idea was doomed from the start?
You are too much of a wimp to spend four nights a week by yourself?
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Ya. There's no commitment there, this is just a players paradise for either one of you. I'm sure when you weren't around she would've screwed other guys or what would be the point of living alone. SHe can wrap it up anyway she likes but if she wants to live separately then she wants to fuck around, you subconciously picked up on this and decided that's not what you wanted. /Ubermann
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Yup , I guess so.
but you can't have sex with any one else? IMO seems unfair. But whatever floats your boat.
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No offense, Howard...but you sound like a person who is exceptionally self-involved...
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It sounds like there was no real committment....more of a friends with benefits kind of thing. I don't think there was enough glue to hold it together...glue being love.
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The excitement of the arrangement faded just like the excitement faded when you first started dating and got married.
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No offense, Howard...but you sound like a person who is exceptionally self-involved...
I would have used "stupid", but "self-involved" kinda works.....
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It sounds like there was no real committment....more of a friends with benefits kind of thing. I don't think there was enough glue to hold it together...glue being love.
What's your excuse for all your failed relationships then?
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It sounds like there was no real committment....more of a friends with benefits kind of thing. I don't think there was enough glue to hold it together...glue being love.
Love is very important. But sometimes there are things needed in addition to love.
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Those situations are an excellent way for one of the two people to get burned in the end.
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I dunno, some nice Catholic priests screw alter boys, never get married and couples find their marital counseling helpful?
Great logic. No go invest in a Ponzi scheme while you're at it.
Guys like you Make me sick. I know a handful of guys that have been married 2-5 times. They all preach about women & relationships.
Bottom line is you're all fucking morons that make horrible decisions in judging people's characters.
You failed at marriage 3 times...now you're going all over the board boasting you're doing it again.
What's your danage ?
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Wise is the man who weds wife number 4 ::)
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Great logic. No go invest in a Ponzi scheme while you're at it.
Guys like you Make me sick. I know a handful of guys that have been married 2-5 times. They all preach about women & relationships.
Bottom line is you're all fucking morons that make horrible decisions in judging people's characters.
You failed at marriage 3 times...now you're going all over the board boasting you're doing it again.
What's your danage ?
Hmmm, I guess this means you don't want me to reserve you 2 tickets for my next "marriage success" seminar 'eh?
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You are too much of a wimp to spend four nights a week by yourself?
I seriously considered that and even questioned my manhood about it.
I spent many a night hugging my dog while I had a good cry :'(
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Wisdom gained from reading the bible for 10 years, and bodybuilding for 10 also:
There are different kinds of love.
The english language only uses one word 'love' to describe many kinds (e.g. the gooey feeling of love, love between friends, love that reaches out to those in need, love that is not deserved and is not self-seeking)
For a marraige to work long term, you need to get past the gooey kind of love as being the 'thermometer' of your relationship, sure - romantic love is essential in terms of longevity but it has it's natural peaks and troughs, so must be worked and fought for in the hard times, as well as enjoyed and coasted through in the good.
The love that hold a marraige together through the rough times is a totally different kind of love, it is a commiting love that stems from a vow and promise to stick together, and to look past shortcomings or pet hates. This kind of love won't abide easily with selfishness, or a partner who alsways gauges the success of their marraige by what they are feeling or 'getting out of it' for want of a better term.
Although feeling happy with how your partner is treating you, respecting you, being intimate with you etc is important, it is not the deciding factor when it comes to commitment or divorce.
This is why traditional weddings include vows to one another, and why the wording of these vows does not make room for circumstantial ethics, or pressures that would release you from that vow.
....Adultery on the other hand throws a whole new spanner in the works though. Even in the Christian and Jewish religions, providence is made for a divorce in that situation....IF....it cannot be resolved.
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I guess I would also add this nugget:
'Being happy' is not a state you can seek after solely by adjusting circumstances, chasing desires etc. But it is rather a by-product of making the right decisions in your life.
Happiness is a by-product, a result of doing the right thing.
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No offense, Howard...but you sound like a person who is exceptionally self-involved...
What was that? Sorry, I was too busy thinking of what I was going to post next, to read what you wrote. ;)