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Post your opinion.
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Kai outclassed Phil throughout and looked TONS more confident
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because Kai is a bunch of body parts thrown together, and his bis look full of oil
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Because if it's close, it goes to the reigning Mr Olympia
Kai was the peoples champion.
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because Kai is a bunch of body parts thrown together, and his bis look full of oil
I agree with the bunch of body parts thrown together - his Bi's in FDB are to short which is why Phil dominates this pose.. I think the guys commentating were spot on all the way through in how they were describing the two.. GB's straight away rubbish them and call them names and chuck around the favoritism line but they were spot on and I'm no fan of either Phil or Kai but the two best BBs on that stage finished in the correct positions.
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His hair . . . no one wants a Mr. Olympia with that fucked up hair, wearing a hoodie in the streets. THE BEEF wanted Kai to win.
THE BEEF
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Because Phil was fighting world war 3 by himself or something like that. wasnt really listening to his speech.
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His hair . . . no one wants a Mr. Olympia with that fucked up hair, wearing a hoodie in the streets. THE BEEF wanted Kai to win.
THE BEEF
Yes, because we all know, that if Kai were bald, he'd win for sure. ::)
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Post your opinion.
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Kai was in Great Condition and if anything Tightened up slightly bye the Finals, bye HIMSELF (in the finals) he looked Potentially the Winner...Depending on wether Phil had faded from the pre-judging....as it turned it Phil was more or less the same, HOWEVER when the 2 stood side bye side in that final Comparison with just the 2 OF THEM.....it was clear Kai from the FRONT looked Somewhat FLAT in comparison next to Phil....IMO that was the Difference, bye HIMSELF Kai looked the Winner @ the Finals next to Heath Not so.
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this was really hard to judge between the two pose to pose but Phil has the edge overall imo. Very close.
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His hair . . . no one wants a Mr. Olympia with that fucked up hair, wearing a hoodie in the streets. THE BEEF wanted Kai to win.
THE BEEF
I tried not to focus on it but it is a serious distraction. If he is serious about the Olympia, he should probably cut that bullshit off.
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I tried not to focus on it but it is a serious distraction. If he is serious about the Olympia, he should probably cut that bullshit off.
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Just watched the post-show interview with Phil on Flex...dude seems PISSED!
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One simple word that's will sum up this win and all future Olympias...marketing. we live in a capitalistic world where we sacrifice quality for quantitative results. Make no mistake, this was purely a financial decision that won him the title.
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I always said Kai should shave his head. A shaven head for some reason makes one look more muscular. In example Ronnie and phil. Both had shaved heads and made them look a tad bigger-IMO. In fact when I shave my head I think I look bigger gives me a illusion of more muscle.
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If you only go by the 8 mendatory poses it's like 50/50, but if you add how they look relaxed, how they look when they move, you clearly see the difference in term of muscle bellie bteween Kai and Phil and that's why Phil took the advantage IMO.
+ The fact he was the current champ to beat, which mean you must be 1% better than him to take the trophy otherwise he keeps it.
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I agree with the bunch of body parts thrown together - his Bi's in FDB are to short which is why Phil dominates this pose.. I think the guys commentating were spot on all the way through in how they were describing the two.. GB's straight away rubbish them and call them names and chuck around the favoritism line but they were spot on and I'm no fan of either Phil or Kai but the two best BBs on that stage finished in the correct positions.
Phil has no width, less lat width. Kai has bigger arms, bigger legs, squarer chest and better conditioning. Explain how Phil dominates the pose ???
I can't think of any pose that Phil took, he got dominated.
And lets forget the pretty argument, because Rhoden, Beyeke et cetera destroy phil in terms of aesthetics. That's not judging criteria apparently.
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I tried not to focus on it but it is a serious distraction. If he is serious about the Olympia, he should probably cut that bullshit off.
Well, I believe that if he keeps it due to some spiritual reasoning, then i can agree with him---but, if feedback says that "hey, we want to present a certain image", then it is up to him what he wants to do with it, shave it and "conform", but with no promise that he'll do better, or keep it, and not be "rewarded" .
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Kai had the show and he would have won, but when he came out at the night show, he looked flat, that's what cost him the win.
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overall it does go to Phil IMO but there are shot where it looks all Kai. He needs to drop the hair statement. Even if you're trying to focus only on physique the hair is still a distraction. He needs to decide what he wants: a fancy pony tail or the Olympia title. This was close, it's sad to think hair got in the way.
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Hahahahahahaha!!!! Dont find the reason.
Just Kai had bad attitude(According to IFBB official) toward IFBB.
And they fvcked him. SIMPLE.
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Hahahahahahaha!!!! Dont find the reason.
Just Kai had bad attitude(According to IFBB official) toward IFBB.
And they fvcked him. SIMPLE.
Care to explain?
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Hahahahahahaha!!!! Dont find the reason.
Just Kai had bad attitude(According to IFBB official) toward IFBB.
And they fvcked him. SIMPLE.
please, they are lying, and making up reasons...Kai having a bad attitude is like saying that Branch should have won---it's false...
take a look at this vid
http://bcove.me/96zqe56m (http://bcove.me/96zqe56m)
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Well, I believe that if he keeps it due to some spiritual reasoning, then i can agree with him---but, if feedback says that "hey, we want to present a certain image", then it is up to him what he wants to do with it, shave it and "conform", but with no promise that he'll do better, or keep it, and not be "rewarded" .
it's simple, we're judging physique, condition, and proportion. If you show up on stage waving a 2.75 foot pony tail waiving all about, there is a realistic chance you're going to end up distracting from the very thing you're trying to present. If he's that fucking stupid, maybe he doesn't deserve the title.
Show up on stage presenting what you have worked so fucking hard for and don't wave an idiot flag to distract from it IMO.
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it's simple, we're judging physique, condition, and proportion. If you show up on stage waving a 2.75 foot pony tail waiving all about, there is a realistic chance you're going to end up distracting from the very thing you're trying to present. If he's that fucking stupid, maybe he doesn't deserve the title.
Show up on stage presenting what you have worked so fucking hard for and don't wave an idiot flag to distract from it IMO.
^^^^ This is a bunch of horseshit, sorry bro, no one cares about his pony tail but you.
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it's simple, we're judging physique, condition, and proportion. If you show up on stage waving a 2.75 foot pony tail waiving all about, there is a realistic chance you're going to end up distracting from the very thing you're trying to present. If he's that fucking stupid, maybe he doesn't deserve the title.
Show up on stage presenting what you have worked so fucking hard for and don't wave an idiot flag to distract from it IMO.
"Look for the biggest gorilla in your life, and take it's head off"
---Kai Green
maybe you're right, but what is Kai Green without his braids? there is no guarantee that he would have won, or that he will win, if he shaved them off...
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from Kevin Levrone
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Feel very bad for Kai, Robbed.
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^^^^ This is a bunch of horseshit, sorry bro, no one cares about his pony tail but you.
I don't personally care about his hair but that's my personal opinion. I'm sure others see it different. Why present a distraction is what I'm saying? If he cares about the title...
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Feel very bad for Kai, Robbed.
(http://www.muscle-insider.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Watermark/8SL_7763.jpg)(http://www.muscle-insider.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Watermark/8SL_7664.jpg)
He'll be back. He'll beat Phil next year. Mark my words.
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"Look for the biggest gorilla in your life, and take it's head off"
---Kai Green
maybe you're right, but what is Kai Green without his braids? there is no guarantee that he would have won, or that he will win, if he shaved them off...
I'm ok with the braids, I'm commenting because I'm not the one that makes choices for others and I can easily see where that can get in the way of judges or anyone else. If you don't need it on the stage, don't have it. And I don't think he would have won without the braids. It's close, but overall I say Phil got it.
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I don't personally care about his hair but that's my personal opinion. I'm sure others see it different. Why present a distraction is what I'm saying? If he cares about the title...
I suppose you have a point to an extent cause I think it's stupid to be covered in tatoos as a bodybuilder, of course that would be even worse.
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they say that every year
meanwhile kai isnt getting any younger
Doesn't matter, you've got several plus 40 Mr Olympias
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I suppose you have a point to an extent cause I think it's stupid to be covered in tatoos as a bodybuilder, of course that would be even worse.
tattoos do make it harder to judge imo. They can add visual weight tossing off symmetry in judging.
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kai was better, i am now a kai fan.
we even have the same kinda shity genetics for traps.
the guy dwarfed and outleaned the rigning olympia, he beat him, he just wasnt given the title
whats most important, have you ppl seen his midsection, it was fine, almost astethical, how is noone asking how hes done that?
he used to have the worst guts in the olympia line up.
that is now gone.he is the net mr olympia.
i hope he can come as shredded as this year again, i hope this wasnt a once in a lifetime conditioning for him.
everyone who has dieted knows the perfect conditioning is just when your strongest bodypart starts to go bit flat.his back was just like that.
much respect for kai
He was in EXCELLENT condition at both of the Arnold's and his NY Pro wins. It can be done again.
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He was in EXCELLENT condition at both of the Arnold's and his NY Pro wins. It can be done again.
Yes you are right about his conditioning being equal in other shows but his waist has never been this small, at least not sense his jump in size, this was/is the best Kai to date.
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FINAL TWO COMPARISONS. they gave kai his chance. end of story!
should be a grand mr o in 2013, if rhoden brings it along with kai again.
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If you only go by the 8 mendatory poses it's like 50/50, but if you add how they look relaxed, how they look when they move, you clearly see the difference in term of muscle bellie bteween Kai and Phil and that's why Phil took the advantage IMO.
+ The fact he was the current champ to beat, which mean you must be 1% better than him to take the trophy otherwise he keeps it.
Jay 2007. Clearly off but still takes it.
Credit to Phil, he raises the question against Kai. Credit to Kai, he answers it. There was a clear bias towards Phil in the commentary... the fix was in, folks.
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whats most important, have you ppl seen his midsection, it was fine, almost astethical, how is noone asking how hes done that?
he used to have the worst guts in the olympia line up.
Exactly this. I was never a fan of his physique but I'm very impressed with the changes he showed since last year - especially his midsection. He looked very very good and I would have had no argument with him as the new Mr O.
I haven't had a good look at the photos yet - but how did Branch beat Wolf?
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Exactly this. I was never a fan of his physique but I'm very impressed with the changes he showed since last year - especially his midsection. He looked very very good and I would have had no argument with him as the new Mr O.
I haven't had a good look at the photos yet - but how did Branch beat Wolf?
I like Phil Heath, but on this Olympia stage Kai was the clear winner.
Kai was bigger, wider , more ripped and beat the champ in most of the comparison shots.
Kai was a much better poser as well. As a judge with 20 yrs experience I felt Kai was the clear winner.
Despite being a huge Branch fan, I don't understand how he beat Dennis Wolf.
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Kai had a great shot of winning, but he flattened out a little on Saturday. Also, he let Phil be the aggressor, which made it look like Kai was okay with second.
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after seeing kai this good,i wonder if jay will still comeback next year,plus add in rhoden,and next year could be best o. ever.
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I like Phil Heath, but on this Olympia stage Kai was the clear winner.
Kai was bigger, wider , more ripped and beat the champ in most of the comparison shots.
Kai was a much better poser as well. As a judge with 20 yrs experience I felt Kai was the clear winner.
Despite being a huge Branch fan, I don't understand how he beat Dennis Wolf.
Howard - I'm not taking the piss - I'm genuinely curious. As a judge with 20 years experience, what is it about Branch's physique that makes you a fan?
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If it is within 2%, the champ wins. You have to knock out the champ still.
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cause hes got that nasty shit on his head
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First reason...... "grapefruit"
Second reason.... "too much synthol"
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Howard - I'm not taking the piss - I'm genuinely curious. As a judge with 20 years experience, what is it about Branch's physique that makes you a fan?
I was about to ask that same question.
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This is freaky shit. This is a bodybuilder form another planet. This is like Coleman class in a new dimension!
I have only seen the video witch had shit resultion. Pictures show the real deal ubviosly!
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Kai had a great shot of winning, but he flattened out a little on Saturday. Also, he let Phil be the aggressor, which made it look like Kai was okay with second.
This. He just gave the 1st call-out away to Phil. If I was a judge and they were neck and neck, Phil would have received my point. On top of that, they gave him a 2nd call-out vs Phil, and he still took the passive roll. Good show, but Kai needs to step up next year, if he can get in shape again.
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As many have said- this is great marketing. This whole scenario reminds me of 2001 when everyone thought Cutler beat Coleman. I believe all this talk will push Heath to another level of training like it did to big Ron. For Kai to win however, is going to really take two things: Now that Heath has seen Kai's best, will we see a new improved freakier Heath? If he keeps quiet and does a "Cost of Redemption" mindset like Coleman did and puts the effort in the trenches, there's no way Kai will beat a younger, motivated Heath. 2nd, the powers that be will have to find a way, to forgive Kai for his past history of behavior outside of bodybuilding. I don't see the families of the general public wanting to shake hands or taking photos with Kai beacuse of his past behavior, but Kai won the Arnold so who knows?
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the grapefruit and maybe the hair. The judges sucked, that is why people don't take this "sport" seriously.
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As many have said- this is great marketing. This whole scenario reminds me of 2001 when everyone thought Cutler beat Coleman. I believe all this talk will push Heath to another level of training like it did to big Ron. For Kai to win however, is going to really take two things: Now that Heath has seen Kai's best, will we see a new improved freakier Heath? If he keeps quiet and does a "Cost of Redemption" mindset like Coleman did and puts the effort in the trenches, there's no way Kai will beat a younger, motivated Heath. 2nd, the powers that be will have to find a way, to forgive Kai for his past history of behavior outside of bodybuilding. I don't see the families of the general public wanting to shake hands or taking photos with Kai beacuse of his past behavior, but Kai won the Arnold so who knows?
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Phil takes it no doubt. Look at the rear lat spread detail compared to Kai! Very good pics!
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Kai was in Great Condition and if anything Tightened up slightly bye the Finals, bye HIMSELF (in the finals) he looked Potentially the Winner...Depending on wether Phil had faded from the pre-judging....as it turned it Phil was more or less the same, HOWEVER when the 2 stood side bye side in that final Comparison with just the 2 OF THEM.....it was clear Kai from the FRONT looked Somewhat FLAT in comparison next to Phil....IMO that was the Difference, bye HIMSELF Kai looked the Winner @ the Finals next to Heath Not so.
I agree ^^^^^^^^^^^. Phil looked better in the final showdown between the two.
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I think Kai should fuck the Olympia off for a bit, get a string of Arnold Classic wins and beat Flex Wheeler's record and then go for the Olympia.
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please, they are lying, and making up reasons...Kai having a bad attitude is like saying that Branch should have won---it's false...
take a look at this vid
http://bcove.me/96zqe56m (http://bcove.me/96zqe56m)
Amigo. I am just being sarcastic. Of course, he didnt do anything bad. Just All the organization of humanbeing are FVCK UP.
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Phil won because he did it for the victims of the Colorado shooting. And that self-absorbed Kai did it for himself. ::)
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If Kai does the Arnold $130k and wins best poser $10k = $140k
Wins second place at Olympia $100k
He would almost make as much as Phil in prise money in a year, more work but fuck it,
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If my Daughter brought home a goofy looking black guy with a stupid hairdoo like Kai, I'd take take her around the back of the house, dress here in black, put a ski mask on her face, put a knife in her hand, and shoot her dead and tell the Cops I was defending myself from what I thought was a burglar.
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Phil won because he did it for the victims of the Colorado shooting. And that self-absorbed Kai did it for himself. ::)
Don't forget about the forrest fires, Phil was battling for them as well.
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Kai beat Phil
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Yes, because we all know, that if Kai were bald, he'd win for sure. ::)
HEY ASSHOLE, ITS CALLED A PROFESSIONAL APPEARANCE, IN SHORT . . . PROFESSIONALISM. LIKE YOUR BLUE UNIFORM WITH THE GOLDEN ARCHES ON THE CAP.
THE BEEF
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HEY ASSHOLE, ITS CALLED A PROFESSIONAL APPEARANCE, IN SHORT . . . PROFESSIONALISM. LIKE YOUR BLUE UNIFORM WITH THE GOLDEN ARCHES ON THE CAP.
THE BEEF
I believe Robby Robinson won the NOC with a huge unpicked Afro...
And I believe that Fred Bigot won his pro card with a picture shaved into his hair.
Kai's braids are neatly kept, his attitude is professional.
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:( i predicted them both between 5th to 7th place....
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Daniel hill bitch slapped his whore and was still allowed on stage
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Don't forget about the forrest fires, Phil was battling for them as well.
I hear he also did it as a "fuck you" to the rising gas prices in Colorado. Phil is a hero.
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as much as i was rooting for Kai. Phylis castrates Kai in the most muscular pose, Kai need to balloon them delts..his most muscular is very underwhelming
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I believe Robby Robinson won the NOC with a huge unpicked Afro...
And I believe that Fred Bigot won his pro card with a picture shaved into his hair.
Kai's braids are neatly kept, his attitude is professional.
HE (HIMSELF) SAYS HIS APPEARANCE HELD HIM BACK. SORRY ABOUT THE ASSHOLE COMMENT, THE BEEF IS DRINKING.
THE BEEF
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With the improvements and adjustments Kai made- in response to what a lot of people said he neeeded to improve, I think Kai is unquestionably the best Bodybuilder. Heath has an edge in genetics which is why he wins.
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Phil- Muscletech athlete- major sponsor= winner
ANd Phil brown- noses Manion, weinberg etc- buddy with the IFBB powers= winner
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This is like Coleman class in a new dimension!
agreed x 10.
Kai is going to be the one to take it to a level of freaky past Ronnie.
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from Kevin Levrone
What's wrong with levrone??? Has he been knocking back a few bottles of jack Daniels in his hotel room?
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Phil has Kai beat in the circled area:
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Phil has Kai beat in the circled area:
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He does. But he is also about a foot closer to the judges after watching Phil's antics on video. Also, when you view the video floating around you see the real depth of Kai's back from a slight side angle.
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Didn't beat Kai .. The judges simply awarded him the title ... The people know who truly won
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Phil has Kai beat in the circled area:
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-6442_506950C0.jpg)
Thats a square. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Phil has crazy, round and full muscle bellies and that hurt Kai. Remember, Kai was BIGGER than Phil up until a few years ago. Now, Phil looks BIGGER than Kai. Its all an illusion. Kai came in a little smaller and it helped his shape, but he may have to get that big, gorilla muscle look again
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Phil has crazy, round and full muscle bellies and that hurt Kai. Remember, Kai was BIGGER than Phil up until a few years ago. Now, Phil looks BIGGER than Kai. Its all an illusion. Kai came in a little smaller and it helped his shape, but he may have to get that big, gorilla muscle look again
Not if you see the video taken from a slight angle... Kai is way thicker than Phil.
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Not if you see the video taken from a slight angle... Kai is way thicker than Phil.
The show isnt judged from video. Phil has caught up with Kai in the size dept.
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The show isnt judged from video. Phil has caught up with Kai in the size dept.
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Correct, the show is judged LIVE where you can actually see those kinds of things, not from 2 dimensional pictures.
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Tough choice, slinblownfakemuscle against a fruitophile.... :(
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Phil has Kai beat in the circled area:
(http://www.gratisimage.dk/image-6442_506950C0.jpg)
Totally - not even a contest.
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as much as i was rooting for Kai. Phylis castrates Kai in the most muscular pose, Kai need to balloon them delts..his most muscular is very underwhelming
Exactly. In that most muscular Phil is making Kai his bitch. He is definitely better. Look at the shoulders and arms!
Kai is good but he will never take it past Coleman. He can't match Coleman's size at his peak.
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Exactly. In that most muscular Phil is making Kai his bitch. He is definitely better. Look at the shoulders and arms!
Kai is good but he will never take it past Coleman. He can't match Coleman's size at his peak.
Lol, those are Phils 2 best features, which just happen to be highlighted in the MM.
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Lol, those are Phils 2 best features, which just happen to be highlighted in the MM.
Doesn't change the fact that those 2 features propel him past Kai who becomes his bitch.
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IMO - Phil has a more Aesthetically pleasing physique. Sure Kai is actually bigger, but Heath just seemed to flow better! Also some shots Phil was just more detailed (as was previously posted)
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Doesn't change the fact that those 2 features propel him past Kai who becomes his bitch.
Never said he didn't beat Kai in the MM. I don't know if its Kai's structure, or his posing, but he just doesn't look as good to me.
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those who see kai better are not comparing him to phil.. they are comparing him to his own previous versions!!.. kai presented a very good shape but was not enough to make him win and phil didnt present anything new but still was good enough to win!!..
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1. kais back looks soft and watery in the rear lat spread while heaths is just as wide with a ton of detail.
2. kais stomach and particularly lower abs are wide and protruding while phil is almost pulling off a vacuum in most of his poses.
3. phil looks more muscular in the standing relaxed, side tricep, and front standing relaxed pose
4. phils muscles are more round and inflated than kais which sag and look deflated when he isnt flexing them.