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Title: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2012, 06:29:57 PM
Is he correct in his criticisms of why/how 'trickle down' policies don't work?  If not, why is he wrong?


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Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: pedro01 on October 07, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
I don't think it really matters to be honest because Obama doesn't put his money where his mouth is.

If Obama could fix jobs, it would have happened already. He can't, it's time to try something new.

Fact is - Obama creates massive uncertainty. The tax thing is a red-herring. If you take away the uncertainty, people will be more willing to invest and create new business.

Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: avxo on October 07, 2012, 09:32:08 PM
Yes and no. There are some good points, but it's always easy to make good points when you only have to talk the talk and not walk the walk.

I'll give you an example of what I consider to be a good point. The blind, unquestioning insistence of Republicans that tax cuts are a panacea that will solve all our problems is almost bordering on the ridiculous. The only question that "cut taxes!" is an answer to is "how do we cut taxes?" Don't get me wrong, I advocate cutting taxes, and I would be more than happy with more of the money I earn staying in my own pocket. But I don't believe a tax cut at this time would really help revitalize the economy, nor do I think one would be prudent. I would prefer that we, instead, cut spending significantly, pass a moratorium on new taxes and commit to paying down at least one trillion dollars over a period of five years.

Another good example from the ad is the continuous stream of hyperpartisan nonsense that keeps coming out of the talking heads, advocating that the way out is to double down and hope for the best. Of course, the ad restricts that criticism to only Republicans, but it applies equally well to democrats.

At the end of the day, it's just another political ad. It sounds reasonable - especially if you are already leaning left - by using carefully crafted language, graphs and jingles. But it offers no solutions. Indeed, it doesn't even hint that we have a plan to work towards a solution.
Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: 240 is Back on October 07, 2012, 09:42:48 PM
If Obama could fix jobs, it would have happened already. He can't, it's time to try something new.

this is a remarkably simple & very true point!
Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: avxo on October 07, 2012, 09:51:29 PM
I don't think it really matters to be honest because Obama doesn't put his money where his mouth is.

If Obama could fix jobs, it would have happened already. He can't, it's time to try something new.

Do you think that Romney can? What powers of the Presidency can Romney use that Obama hasn't used that could, conceivably, "fix jobs"? I can't think of any. Can you?


Fact is - Obama creates massive uncertainty. The tax thing is a red-herring. If you take away the uncertainty, people will be more willing to invest and create new business.

That's true - but only partially so. The uncertainty is killing us, but it's silly to blame the uncertainty only on Obama. Congress is just as responsible.
Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: sync pulse on October 07, 2012, 11:15:50 PM

If Obama could fix jobs, it would have happened already. He can't, it's time to try something new.


He has been checkmated by opponents in the legislative branch...
Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 08, 2012, 01:09:55 AM
He has been checkmated by opponents in the legislative branch...

And his first two years? 
Title: Re: Simpsons animator makes political video
Post by: 240 is Back on October 08, 2012, 07:44:25 AM
And his first two years? 

he accomplished much of his goals during those years - the stim bill, finreg, obamacare, etc.   They are misguided, but goal-wise, he did get the things done that he wanted.  Used exec priv to push amnesty/DREAM thru too.  Woudln't surprise me to see him issue cap/trade if he's lame duck in december as well.

goal-wise, he's accomplishing what he wants.