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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: the trainer on October 08, 2012, 10:24:42 AM
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I have being reading all the thread on Phil Heath with you guys whining about his physique, so let me set you straight phil is the only mr olympia with no weakness, the only thing you can complain about is that he is not wide enough, Kai looks good but compared to phil he looks like a bunch of bodyparts thrown together and if it was about the biggest guy on stage then greg kovas would be mr olympia. Now lets look at some of the other mr o, jay cutler blocky with no shape, ronnie coleman no calves, dorian yates no biceps, lee haney no legs, so you see phil is as close to perfection as possible, I rest my case.
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People would point out Coleman's abs
and Phil would fall in that same boat or worse.
His abs are funky and were kinda blurry at some
points during the Olympia.
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omg. ::)
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Ronnie Coleman had huge calves. Arnold's legs were fine for the time. Haney dominated for years. There have been plenty of mr o's with no weaknesses... Phil's not one.
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People would point out Coleman's abs
and Phil would fall in that same boat or worse.
His abs are funky and were kinda blurry at some
points during the Olympia.
He's actually flexed here :-\
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I have being reading all the thread on Phil Heath with you guys whining about his physique, so let me set you straight phil is the only mr olympia with no weakness, the only thing you can complain about is that he is not wide enough, Kai looks good but compared to phil he looks like a bunch of bodyparts thrown together and if it was about the biggest guy on stage then greg kovas would be mr olympia. Now lets look at some of the other mr o, jay cutler blocky with no shape, ronnie coleman no calves, dorian yates no biceps, lee haney no legs, so you see phil is as close to perfection as possible, I rest my case.
dorian in 92 and 93 had no real weakness.. haney's legs at his best were not weak.. being weaker than some of his competitors doesnt mean they were a weak point.. samir in 83 didnt have any weak part.. zane imo too had no real weak points when he was winning... arnold at his best too.. most of these guys were more dominant in their times than phil..
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I agree Phil's the most complete and needs better abs
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Dorian pre-tear hands down.
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dorian in 92 and 93 had no real weakness.. haney's legs at his best were not weak.. being weaker than some of his competitors doesnt mean they were a weak point.. samir in 83 didnt have any weak part.. zane imo too had no real weak points when he was winning... arnold at his best too.. most of these guys were more dominant in their times than phil..
Samir had no hams but he was pretty complete sans that. we can knitpick but for all intents & purposes Phil has no weaknesses same with Yates pre-tear
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No weakness?
His abs suck, his chest sucks and is not symmetrical. Plus he has the width of a 200 lber despite being 230 lbs on stage
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Samir had no hams but he was pretty complete sans that. we can knitpick but for all intents & purposes Phil has no weaknesses same with Yates pre-tear
i didnt say phil has weak points,.. i was saying that others too had no weak points and in a better way than phil..
phil has no weak "parts" but his parts are not proportioned perfectly.. for example like levrone and flex his arms and shoulders are kinda big for his chest.. still he deserved his 2 sandows imo and may be deserved to win in 2010 too!!..
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I hope Mr. Olympia and Mrs. Olympia have a child together, a child that will save mankind.
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I have being reading all the thread on Phil Heath with you guys whining about his physique, so let me set you straight phil is the only mr olympia with no weakness, the only thing you can complain about is that he is not wide enough, Kai looks good but compared to phil he looks like a bunch of bodyparts thrown together and if it was about the biggest guy on stage then greg kovas would be mr olympia. Now lets look at some of the other mr o, jay cutler blocky with no shape, ronnie coleman no calves, dorian yates no biceps, lee haney no legs, so you see phil is as close to perfection as possible, I rest my case.
You can't argue that jay is too wide-waisted while overlooking Phil being too narrow-clavicle'd. Both are structural flaws.
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No weakness?
His abs suck, his chest sucks and is not symmetrical. Plus he has the width of a 200 lber despite being 230 lbs on stage
big arms do the trick... people are so bamboozled by them
phil is the worst mr o....IMO.... bar dickerson franco
ronnie dorian haney prime dexter far superior....
you cant be the narrowest man on stage nd be mr o
weak chest and abs...... not so narrow waiste
if phil didnt have outrageous arms against his torso.... he wouldnt make top 6
but it seems no one cant look past the arms....
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Coleman, Yates, Haney, Arnold, Sergio and Bannout would make Phil look bad.
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phil is the only mr olympia with no weakness, the only thing you can complain about is that he is not wide enough,
Brutal logic fail.
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Dorian pre-tear hands down.
no, even in 1993 his quads and arms were pretty bad as you can see in this classic most muscular -a pose dorian never should have hit because it highlighted his flawed areas.
every Mr. O. had flaws.
the closest I would say to being flaw free was probably samir bannout in 1983
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I have being reading all the thread on Phil Heath with you guys whining about his physique, so let me set you straight phil is the only mr olympia with no weakness, the only thing you can complain about is that he is not wide enough, Kai looks good but compared to phil he looks like a bunch of bodyparts thrown together and if it was about the biggest guy on stage then greg kovas would be mr olympia. Now lets look at some of the other mr o, jay cutler blocky with no shape, ronnie coleman no calves, dorian yates no biceps, lee haney no legs, so you see phil is as close to perfection as possible, I rest my case.
outed
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No weaknesses would be Chris Cormier but he never won the O!
CC= size, structure, height, symmetry/shape, conditioning all in one
"The Real Deal"
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no, even in 1993 his quads and arms were pretty bad as you can see in this classic most muscular -a pose dorian never should have hit because it highlighted his flawed areas.
every Mr. O. had flaws.
the closest I would say to being flaw free was probably samir bannout in 1983
Samir is short that's a flaw there
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Heath doesnt have grotesque flaws, thats true, but he is far from perfect.
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no, even in 1993 his quads and arms were pretty bad as you can see in this classic most muscular -a pose dorian never should have hit because it highlighted his flawed areas.
every Mr. O. had flaws.
the closest I would say to being flaw free was probably samir bannout in 1983
I agree with you on most of your Coleman posts. I think he was the goat but
Dorian's legs at prejudging in 1993 were big and separated. The problem Doz
had was the drier he got the more his legs would thin out. I've seen the prejudging vid
and the pics and his arms and legs were the best they ever were in contest mode
at the 93 prejudging.
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No weaknesses would be Chris Cormier but he never won the O!
CC= size, structure, height, symmetry/shape, conditioning all in one
"The Real Deal"
This is true but Chris lacked that WOW factor. I've seen the 1999 pre-judging
which is probably his best showing or at least top 2. Standing next to Coleman
he does good from the front but when they turn to the side and back Coleman
is WAY thicker and rounder.
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This is true but Chris lacked that WOW factor. I've seen the 1999 pre-judging
which is probably his best showing or at least top 2. Standing next to Coleman
he does good from the front but when they turn to the side and back Coleman
is WAY thicker and rounder.
IMO Coleman was good but later on the wow factor was just mass mass mass!! Many will disagree but even Coleman couldn't carry Coleman mass without sacrificing condition and the bloated gut, but I will admit he was the best at doing it in 03, 04.
Cormier is what bbing should be about balance and mass with conditioning
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Yes, Colemans frame was not intended to carry 285 pounds.
It was a sight to behold but the thighs got too big, the gut grew out
and the waist grew wider. He was very freaky but sacrificed some detail
but more important sacrificed shape.
This screencap from 99 looks awesome... small waist, wide shoulders,
big but not overpowering thighs...good balance.
2nd one is just for fun...
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Stomach
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His lack of width is a weakness.
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When I read thread title I immediately thought Bannout in 82, 83 shape
No flaws, his height was/is perfect average pro bber height. Not a dwarf
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Virtually every bodybuilder over a certain bodyweight has one flaw or another. It comes with trying to maintain perfect balance with huge muscles. Hard to find a bodybuilder with no flaws in any pose.
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big arms do the trick... people are so bamboozled by them
phil is the worst mr o....IMO.... bar dickerson franco
ronnie dorian haney prime dexter far superior....
you cant be the narrowest man on stage nd be mr o
weak chest and abs...... not so narrow waiste
if phil didnt have outrageous arms against his torso.... he wouldnt make top 6
but it seems no one cant look past the arms....
Im sure Frank Zane was hardly the widest when he won, nor Dexter Jackson ::)
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I know dont how many of you guys have stood next to phil but he is not a narrow guy, he is not super wide like some of the bodybuilding freaks out there but compared to the average bodybuilder he is wide.
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I have seen Phil and stood next to Phil
Big arms
But for a pro narrow you could fit 2 of him in Kai
Kai is wide as hell in person
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I know dont how many of you guys have stood next to phil but he is not a narrow guy, he is not super wide like some of the bodybuilding freaks out there but compared to the average bodybuilder he is wide.
He's not narrow , narrow.. But his shoulder girdle is narrow for his own structure
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He's not narrow , narrow.. But his shoulder girdle is narrow for his own structure
Exactly. If he was 6" shorter, then his shoulder width would probably fit his structure, but it looks odd to be so narrow at his height.
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Yates has zero flaws from the front here.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443391.0;attach=487436;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443391.0;attach=487437;image)
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Yates has zero flaws from the front here.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443391.0;attach=487436;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=443391.0;attach=487437;image)
Call it nostalgia if you will, but what great line-ups we had back then
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When I read thread title I immediately thought Bannout in 82, 83 shape
No flaws, his height was/is perfect average pro bber height. Not a dwarf
I thought the same.
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Imagine Shawn Ray in the 212 division today. He could do the open and take out everyone there too.
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Imagine Shawn Ray in the 212 division today. He could do the open and take out everyone there too.
Shawn was too fucking good, but he got lost amongst the big guys back in the day already
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4 pack abs, narrow shoulders, narrow lats, bad chest instertions? Phil...
Oliva only lacked conditioning, structurally zero problems, detail everywhere, tiny waist, great flow.
Reeves the same.
Bannout had a really short torso and limbs.
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Imagine Shawn Ray in the 212 division today. He could do the open and take out everyone there too.
And Richard Jones as well...too bad Richard 's last contest, he came in out of shape.
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Bannout had a really short torso and limbs.
Yes, and his elbows were too pointy...
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Yes, and his elbows were too pointy...
Moustache too bushy...
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Moustache too bushy...
Skin to arab-y.
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Skin to arab-y.
;D Yes head too ragged.