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Was the draw that Sandra "I want free shit" Fluke spoke too. Hahahaha!
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Eight of them were drunks from the casino hoping to hit that whore ass....
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why do Repubs feel the need to pretend that Fluke was advocating for "free stuff"
Are they incapable of challenging her actual argument ?
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Why respond to her argument? She's an idiot or a liar...she claimed her BC would cost her $1000 a year if she paid for it out of pocket when there were pharmacies within walking distance of Georgetown that sold it for $8 a month.
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why do Repubs feel the need to pretend that Fluke was advocating for "free stuff"
Are they incapable of challenging her actual argument ?
what was her argument straw?
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what was her argument straw?
that contraception be included in the health care plan for which the students are her school pay 100% of the premium
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Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover. Like most Universities, Georgetown students must carry health insurance, but they aren't compelled to buy Georgetown's plan. They are permitted to apply for a waiver and submit proof of alternative insurance.
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Where was the venue? Maybe it was just some people standing around outside.
The low numbers sound like it was something either:
1. Thrown together
or
2. She was in the middle of a circle talking to people and was moving from one circle to the next and some nut job decided "Oh... it was 10 people".
I find the numbers highly suspect.
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Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover. Like most Universities, Georgetown students must carry health insurance, but they aren't compelled to buy Georgetown's plan. They are permitted to apply for a waiver and submit proof of alternative insurance.
the insurance company providing the plan wanted to include it (they have some dumb idea that preventing pregnancy and ovarian cancer will somehow be cheaper than having to pay for them later) and the students wanted it and, of course the full freight is paid by the students
and here's the rub. Georgetown employees have the coverage in their plan which presumably is paid, at least in part, by the University.
So what exactly is the argument against allowing the same coverage in a plan that is paid fully by the students (or their parents)?
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/?mobile=nc
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She was at a scheduled event it the parking lot of something called a "Sak n' Save".....
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The argument is that Georgetown doesn't want to cover it....they don't require students to buy a policy that excludes it. What's the problem?
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The argument is that Georgetown doesn't want to cover it....they don't require students to buy a policy that excludes it. What's the problem?
sure they do - they gladly cover it for employees and most likely pay for it so what's the argument for not allowing it in the student plan that is paid for by the students?
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Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover. Like most Universities, Georgetown students must carry health insurance, but they aren't compelled to buy Georgetown's plan. They are permitted to apply for a waiver and submit proof of alternative insurance.
no I believe her argument was that all insurance should have to cover it....
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no I believe her argument was that all insurance should have to cover it....
her argument was in fact testimony in favor of the provision in the healthcare legislation that required contraception to be included in the health care plan
That's it
She never asked that it be free or asked for free condoms or any of the bullshit straw man arguments that the right wing put up in place of the actual thing that she was advocating for
Georgetown includes it in the employee plan so they have no moral leg to stand on when objecting to having it included in the student plan
We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we're so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.
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sure they do - they gladly cover it for employees and most likely pay for it so what's the argument for not allowing it in the student plan that is paid for by the students?
Despite what you're arguing...There's essentially no difference here between the students and the employees. Employees are allowed to pick from a number of policies as part of their employment. Some offer birth control....some don't. Students can either purchse the University insurance that does not cover it...or find a policy that does.
You have failed to explain why the University should be compelled to provide coverage for somehting they do not wish to when they allow students to find an alternative...
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her argument was in fact testimony in favor of the provision in the healthcare legislation that required contraception to be included in the health care plan
That's it
She never asked that it be free or asked for free condoms or any of the bullshit straw man arguments that the right wing put up in place of the actual thing that she was advocating for
Georgetown includes it in the employee plan so they have no moral leg to stand on when objecting to having it included in the student plan
her argument was not soley in the context of georgetowns insurance plans in was in the context of ALL insurance plans...
dont be ignorant
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her argument was not soley in the context of georgetowns insurance plans in was in the context of ALL insurance plans...
dont be ignorant
spare me the nonsense
you somehow didn't even know what her testimony was about until I told you
here is the full text: http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf
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spare me the nonsense
you somehow didn't even know what her testimony was about until I told you
here is the full text: http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/statement-Congress-letterhead-2nd%20hearing.pdf
hahah I knew what it was just like I knew the definition of hypocrisey when I asked you to define it.
I also knew you would come up with some off the wall shit as always.
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hahah I knew what it was just like I knew the definition of hypocrisey when I asked you to define it.
I also knew you would come up with some off the wall shit as always.
that is your only response after reading Flukes entire testimony
let's review
Fluke testified in favor of the provision that requires her school to include contraception in their health care plan
The students pay the full premium on the plan
The insurance company providing the plan would prefer to include contraception
Georgetown already provides contraception in their employee plan and likely pays some or all of the cost and has stated they will continue to do so
Let's put most of that aside and let me ask you why you think the university has a right to restrict the free trade of the insurance company who wants to provide contraception and the students who also want it and who pay the entire premium
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Restrict free trade? WTF? They have a right to set the parameters for the insurer they contract with. When are you going to explain why they shouldn't be able to do that....
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that is your only response after reading Flukes entire testimony
let's review
Fluke testified in favor of the provision that requires her school to include contraception in their health care plan
The students pay the full premium on the plan
The insurance company providing the plan would prefer to include contraception
Georgetown already provides contraception in their employee plan and likely pays some or all of the cost and has stated they will continue to do so
Let's put most of that aside and let me ask you why you think the university has a right to restrict the free trade of the insurance company who wants to provide contraception and the students who also want it and who pay the entire premium
and that has been her whole argument right straw?
she hasnt made any statements outside of that one specific statement?
her argument is for all insurance coverage of contraception...I dont see why it is so hard for you to just admit it.
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Restrict free trade? WTF? They have a right to set the parameters for the insurer they contract with. When are you going to explain why they shouldn't be able to do that....
why should they, especially when they allow the very same coverage to employees
what is their argument other why one group (their employees) should have access (and even have it paid for) and another should not
btw - the argument from the right is for less regulation yet we already have 26 states with similar regulation and we regulate all kinds of other industries when we see it as part of the collective good and especially so for an industry that provides a basic standard service which is eventually needed by all people
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and that has been her whole argument right straw?
she hasnt made any statements outside of that one specific statement?
her argument is for all insurance coverage of contraception...I dont see why it is so hard for you to just admit it.
feel free to show me the quote and I'll be glad to admit it
btw - I have no doubt that virtually all insurance plans do offer it unless restricted against offering it. Insurance companies would rather offer a few pennies of prevention rather than tens of thousands of dollars of cure
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feel free to show me the quote and I'll be glad to admit it
btw - I have no doubt that virtually all insurance plans do offer it unless restricted against offering it. Insurance companies would rather offer a few pennies of prevention rather than tens of thousands of dollars of cure
"contraception needs to be treated as a basic health care service"
she may have spoke incidentally about her experience with georgetown but you missed her the premise of her argument b/c it was in regards to all insurance plans straw.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/lib-hero-sandra-fluke-free-birth-control-is-a-natural-human-right-i-wont-be-silenced/
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"contraception needs to be treated as a basic health care service"
she may have spoke incidentally about her experience with georgetown but you missed her the premise of her argument b/c it was in regards to all insurance plans straw.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/03/lib-hero-sandra-fluke-free-birth-control-is-a-natural-human-right-i-wont-be-silenced/
I'm ready to agree with you but I don't see the quote
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I'm ready to agree with you but I don't see the quote
doesnt suprise me you dont see alot of shit thats right in front of you, keep looking straw its there.
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doesnt suprise me you dont see alot of shit thats right in front of you, keep looking straw its there.
I'm wondering when you're going to realize that the link you posted does not support your claim
I see no quote that remotely resembles your claim much less the claim in the title of the article you posted
even the CNN editorial which is speaking about (written by Fluke) does not include a quote where she say she wants "free birth control" or that it's a "natural human right"
It does include this statement:
But, despite the misinformation being spread, the regulation under discussion has absolutely nothing to do with government funding: It is all about the insurance policies provided by private employers and universities that are financed by individual workers, students and their families -- not taxpayers.
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I'm wondering when you're going to realize that the link you posted does not support your claim
I see no quote that remotely resembles your claim much less the claim in the title of the article you posted
even the CNN editorial which is speaking about (written by Fluke) does not include a quote where she say she wants "free birth control" or that it's a "natural human right"
It does include this statement
but but but youre original argument was that she was talking solely about georgetown?
so youre saying youre wrong then?
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If that nasty leftist skank wants to bang so many dudes - the least she can ask for is them to pay for a rubber for fucks'sake.
Damn you libs are cheap!
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but but but youre original argument was that she was talking solely about georgetown?
so youre saying youre wrong then?
my first post on this thread is below
that was my original argument
Also, her testimony before congress WAS specifically about the student health plan at Georgetown
why do Repubs feel the need to pretend that Fluke was advocating for "free stuff"
Are they incapable of challenging her actual argument ?
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If that nasty leftist skank wants to bang so many dudes - the least she can ask for is them to pay for a rubber for fucks'sake.
Damn you libs are cheap!
less cheap then you are stupid
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less cheap then you are stupid
She can afford 50k a year for school but not $10 a month for birth control or condoms.
I'm sure liberal dolts can somehow reconcile that.
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She can afford 50k a year for school but not $10 a month for birth control or condoms.
I'm sure liberal dolts can somehow reconcile that.
she never mentioned condoms you moron and perhaps you're not aware that condoms don't prevent ovarain cysts
maybe if you read her testimony you wouldn't be so fucking stupid (scratch that - you'd probably be just a stupid)
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she never mentioned condoms you moron and perhaps you're not aware that condoms don't prevent ovarain cysts
maybe if you read her testimony you wouldn't be so fucking stupid (scratch that - you'd probably be just a stupid)
If she wants me to pay for her rubbers and pills - i should at least get a complimentary bj from her a few times a year.
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If she wants me to pay for her rubbers and pills - i should at least get a complimentary bj from her a few times a year.
well you'll be glad to know she doesn't want you to pay for either one
how are you able to function as a lawyer with such horrendous reading comprehension
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well you'll be glad to know she doesn't want you to pay for either one
how are you able to function as a lawyer with such horrendous reading comprehension
Looking at fluke - she is a few notches below my standards
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Georgetown has a right to set the parameters for what they want to cover. Like most Universities,
AGREED 1000%
let them offer what they want - students wont' attend/people won't work at places if that issue matters to them.
I dont udnerstand everyone giving her a platform. I guess msnbc needs heroes and rush needs villians... but they give a voice/spotlight to WAY too many insignificants idiots with stupid points.
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Looking at fluke - she is a few notches below my standards
somehow I doubt that
you live in a slum and probably haven't had a women in your apartment in years if ever
you'd probably have to drug her just to get her into you car much less your slum apartment
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somehow I doubt that
you live in a slum and probably haven't had a women in your apartment in years if ever
you'd probably have to drug her just to get her into you car much less your slum apartment
LOL - like i said tommorow is my first day at the new office in WHITE Plains. Merging my office with another law firm.
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AGREED 1000%
so they can just arbitrarily say it's ok for our employees and we'll even pay for it but it's not ok for our students even when they are paying the full freight for themselves?
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LOL - like i said tommorow is my first day at the new office in WHITE Plains. Merging my office with another law firm.
How soon before they notice you posting on GB.com all day long and ask you when you're actually going to do some work
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How soon before they notice you posting on GB.com all day long and ask you when you're actually going to do some work
I'm done at 99,999 everything coming together as planned.
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I'm done at 99,999 everything coming together as planned.
yeah, except that in a week or two they realize you're a lunatic and a loser and the deal will be off and you'll be back to your shitty solo practice scrounging for the dregs that no other lawyer will touch
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yeah, except that in a week or two they realize you're a lunatic and a loser and the deal will be off and you'll be back to your shitty solo practice scrounging for the dregs that no other lawyer will touch
LOL!!! Almost all of my business is repeat business from existing clients
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LOL!!! Almost all of my business is repeat business from existing clients
I'm sure it is
do they still pay you in bullets and canned soup and what not because they are more fucking broke than you ?
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I'm sure it is
do they still pay you in bullets and canned soup and what not because they are more fucking broke than you ?
That was a real score from that guy!
My gun safe and ammo safe is STOCKED from that dude.
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That was a real score from that guy!
My gun safe and ammo safe is STOCKED from that dude.
sure thing and I'm sure you reported that to the IRS as income...right?
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sure thing and I'm sure you reported that to the IRS as income...right?
LOL. Would you? It was an in kind exchange for value.
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so they can just arbitrarily say it's ok for our employees and we'll even pay for it but it's not ok for our students even when they are paying the full freight for themselves?
Yes - because thanks to the social media out there, ,women can share their disgust, and we'll watch their enrollment drop, and that of their competitors skyrocket as a result.
Georgetown might say this, so the Univ of Maryland will advertise their compassion for the needs of this patron class, and UofMaryland will make more $ from it.
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Yes - because thanks to the social media out there, ,women can share their disgust, and we'll watch their enrollment drop, and that of their competitors skyrocket as a result.
Georgetown might say this, so the Univ of Maryland will advertise their compassion for the needs of this patron class, and UofMaryland will make more $ from it.
since 26 states already have the same or similar requirements and this requirement is part of the recent healthcare legislation aren't we really talking about whether the federal government has the authority to regulate businesses in a certain way, especially if they believe it enhances the health of their citizens
I'm sure it would be cheaper to make a car without seatbelts or airbags.
Why bother with having such standard when people are free to make their own choices and if the only care you can afford comes without either then so be it
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does Georgetown receive any government funding or subsidies ?
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I'm sure it is
do they still pay you in bullets and canned soup and what not because they are more fucking broke than you ?
You got paid in ammo? That is fucking awesome.
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You got paid in ammo? That is fucking awesome.
I had a client who owed me 4 thou who didn't have the $$$$ and he paid me in rifles, ammo, shotguns.
Crates and crates worth.
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I had a client who owed me 4 thou who didn't have the $$$$ and he paid me in rifles, ammo, shotguns.
Crates and crates worth.
Of course you did.
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I had a client who owed me 4 thou who didn't have the $$$$ and he paid me in rifles, ammo, shotguns.
Crates and crates worth.
???
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LOL - like i said tommorow is my first day at the new office in WHITE Plains. Merging my office with another law firm.
strange how you still have time to post on your first day at the new office