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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: cephissus on October 21, 2012, 02:34:47 PM
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I suppose this goes for other people too: fitness freaks, soccer moms, etc.
What's really the reason? Out of the three macronutrients, protein is the only one with a good reputation. Fats have recovered a little, and these days carbs are the bogeyman. It's like people believe you can eat as much protein as you want, and only good things will happen. You'll never be fat, and the muscle will just pile on.
But doesn't this strike anyone else as just complete BULLSHIT? Tren + sickening cow genes =
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C1R6Yqo9moQ/SjEAoy_ZKxI/AAAAAAAABQw/qEjT5YkqzEU/s400/Belgian+Blue+cow.jpeg)
does this cow eat lots of steak? chicken?
Look at the trap development on this guy:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EQcm7vz9elA/TcWNTYcSVKI/AAAAAAAAAEU/4-_9Q80bJTY/s1600/Gorillas-fight.jpg)
What does his dinner look like? A slightly less salty version of RAtard's, perhaps?
"But like, muscle is made out of protein, you have to eat lots of it so ur body can build new ones!"
So you're confident this guy gets in a strict 500g daily?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2VCz7wAGtS4/UBqgl7BpLHI/AAAAAAAAAHI/8jB4Zq15soE/s1600/hannibal+for+king.jpg)
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My opinion:
People think muscles are made out of protein, and lifting weights tears down the muscle, so you gotta eat a lotta dem proteins to rebuild da muscles. It sounds reasonable, so basically everyone believes and preaches it.
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Well I guess every bodybuilding champion since the mid 60's was wrong. I'll call them all and let them know.
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Good post. Nice animal pictures.
Would probably read again.
8/10
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hahah hannibal is so fucking bald and clueless about heme-iron when they asked him
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Well I guess every bodybuilding champion since the mid 60's was wrong. I'll call them all and let them know.
wtf are you talking about bro, you think phil heath eats 900 grams of protein a day? you think big zkk is lying about his chicken stir fry 4500 kcals daily? are you calling superstar trainer and best e-book selling author jason ferrugia a man of questionable integrity? you think dante truly rinses his beef?
we aren't talkin about bodybuilding prep here, we're talking about questionable beliefs!
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hahah hannibal is so fucking bald and clueless about heme-iron when they asked him
About as clueless as you are about the HBP and Type 2 diabetes you are shooting for.
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Easy one - protein is the alpha and omega to muscle...
"It's to harness the power of the flaccid tap" - Weider 18:20, schmoe transcript 7.
"Once bodybuilders have tap'eth into the divine source they simply can't recover from those woes of thy spirit without the gentle stroke of mans eternal fountain." Random Bodybuilder 20:20, survival verse 6.
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About as clueless as you are about the HBP and Type 2 diabetes you are shooting for.
wont happen . people get diabetes from people that replace sugar with meat
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ok, well, humans are not gorillas, you know.and neither are humans cows, when someone says shes a cow, its metaphoric,
No shit, brother. The point is: doesn't this make you wonder whether the consumption of "protein" is truly necessary for "protein synthesis" or "hypertrophy"? Of course my animal examples are no "proof," but they've given many, including myself, pause for thought.
secondly, have you ever trained?
if yes, have you ever trained for extended periods and only eaten stirfry and chicken?
how was the results?
now, if you did that, did you ever train for extended periods of time and eaten nothing but junk food,or a diet very low on protein?how was the results
I've never been in "contest condition," but my diet has varied widely. I never gone low carb, but I have gone low protein. Never noticed a difference. Of course trying to isolate these variables in a personal experiment is a joke.
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Maybe I'm not being clear. Please post why YOU, PERSONALLY, BELIEVE you need to eat lots of protein as a bodybuilder! If someone asked you, "why do I need to eat a lot of protein?" what would you tell them?
and props to bruce for a solid answer.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C1R6Yqo9moQ/SjEAoy_ZKxI/AAAAAAAABQw/qEjT5YkqzEU/s400/Belgian+Blue+cow.jpeg)
What is the exact location of this woman
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The bull ,the gorilla and the black dude , they all have shitty legs ,
So I came to the conclusion that in order to have a complete physique you need to be obsess with protein.
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The bull ,the gorilla and the black dude , they all have shitty legs ,
So I came to the conclusion that in order to have a complete physique you need to be obsess with protein.
:D
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Good post. Nice animal pictures.
Would probably read again.
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^LOL
Eh.. protein is necessary for genetic expression.
Pretty much genes + protein + hormones = build/rebuild stuff
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Apparently, those leaves they eat contain quite a lot of protein. I assume it's the same with cows and grass.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/science/07obgorilla.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/science/07obgorilla.html?_r=0)
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Eating 300 grams of protein per day when 50 would probably be enough = oh brother ::)
Let's say a bodybuilder megadosing builds 3 kg of muscle in a year. That is about 8 grams a day. Yep, definately need to consume 300 grams of protein for that.
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Apparently, those leaves they eat contain quite a lot of protein. I assume it's the same with cows and grass.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/science/07obgorilla.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/science/07obgorilla.html?_r=0)
Protein makes up about 17 percent of their total energy intake, close to the 15 percent protein intake the heart association recommends for people.
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I didn't expect those leaves to contain protein at all to be honest.
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Plenty of Bodybuiders in the last 40 years didn't eat super amounts of protein- Hilligan, Pearl and Cahling all won their last big competitions as vegetarians. Even Reeves ate mostly salads, etc. The Mentzer brothers mostly ate carbohydrates and some chicken later in their last competitions. Nassar apparently only went high protein when cutting up~ off season he was pretty low. George Farah said he ate low protein due to damaged kidneys. Some pretty heavy hitters in that group.
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Plenty of Bodybuiders in the last 40 years didn't eat super amounts of protein- Hilligan, Pearl and Cahling all won their last big competitions as vegetarians. Even Reeves ate mostly salads, etc. The Mentzer brothers mostly ate carbohydrates and some chicken later in their last competitions. Nassar apparently only went high protein when cutting up~ off season he was pretty low. George Farah said he ate low protein due to damaged kidneys. Some pretty heavy hitters in that group.
How much stock do you put into what Mentzer says...first off. Secondly, at what point do you start factoring in what some of those guys were taking to look the way they do. Not a drug user bash...just seeing what the opinion/consensus is.
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How much stock do you put into what Mentzer says...first off. Secondly, at what point do you start factoring in what some of those guys were taking to look the way they do. Not a drug user bash...just seeing what the opinion/consensus is.
I totally believe him. Having known him for 10 years, he was never one to lie. Quite the opposite. Told me some stuff that didn't make him look good, but it was honest. Had lunch with him and dinner once or twice when he was just a trainer. Turkey ( no cheese) sub sandwich, no chips, Chinese, that kind of thing. Nothing extreme.
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Reminds me of a scene in Revenge of the Nerds II when Ogre is lying on the beach smoking weed and prothesis's if Dog really mean Cat.
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Pearl looked fantastic not eating any type of meat. Just think of how much money they make selling whey protein. That use to be the waste product of making cheese. Now it's an ultra expensive supplement.
When I reached a point in my early 20's where I could afford any supplement out there and I used everything. Now in my 50's I stopped using all supplements.
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because i want an excess of amino acids to be available at all times in every single cell in my body so if there is ever an excess of calories then growth will occur and if there is ever insufficient calories then muscle loss wont occur. period.
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Well apes can still produce their own amino acid profile which we as humans have lost.. Same with cattle and numerous other mammals..
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because i want an excess of amino acids to be available at all times in every single cell in my body so if there is ever an excess of calories then growth will occur and if there is ever insufficient calories then muscle loss wont occur. period.
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Well apes can still produce their own amino acid profile which we as humans have lost.. Same with cattle and numerous other mammals..
interesting, where did you learn about this?
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Protein work; in my case:
-Same protocol (training/steroids)+ 200gr protein a day= Average results.
-Same protocol + 400gr protein a day= Incredible results.
Protein works for me.
I know some geneticaly gifted guys that get huge on a crapy diet, but that is rare.
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I like protein but at times I don't feel like it. I force myself to eat it half the time.
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Protein work; in my case:
-Same protocol (training/steroids)+ 200gr protein a day= Average results.
-Same protocol + 400gr protein a day= Incredible results.
Protein works for me.
I know some geneticaly gifted guys that get huge on a crapy diet, but that is rare.
An extra 200 grams of protein is 800 calories. Maybe it is the extra calories that is responsible.
I stopped using protein powder and still was able to gain strength and muscle at a similar rate. Maybe steroids are needed to make use of the extra protein.
If only I could get back all the money I spent on protein powder over the years. Thousands of dollars down the shitter,
Many of the protein powders don't have the amount of protein as what is claimed on the packaging. At least you know what you get with food.
http://www.allthingsgym.com/2012/06/protein-powder-analysis/ (http://www.allthingsgym.com/2012/06/protein-powder-analysis/)
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Well apes can still produce their own amino acid profile which we as humans have lost.. Same with cattle and numerous other mammals..
I have never heard that before. An ape can make protein out of plants and humans can't? Never heard that before. Plenty of really healthy people in the world that don't consume a high protein diet.
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I have never heard that before. An ape can make protein out of plants and humans can't? Never heard that before. Plenty of really healthy people in the world that don't consume a high protein diet.
To be fair, humans can synythesise most amino acids de novo, just not the so-called "essential amino acids." I'm no SMM, but I believe the other poster was right wrt apes (meaning they can synthesize all necessary amino acids).
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High protein diets is a bunch of bullshit invented by supplement companies to sell more protein powder.
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High protein diets is a bunch of bullshit invented by supplement companies to sell more protein powder.
bingo
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which one youre interested in, left or right?
That's a bull not a cow.
And said breed of cattle, the Belgsn blue, is a result of a genetic mutation of the myostatin protein.
The quanity of protein is over-rated, not protein itself.
I've seen dudes who were locked up, and have a limited suppy of protein, but yet make great gains. The supps industry pushes the 1gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. You usually piss/fart/shit most of all that away.
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I eat about 75g of protein a day.
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Cutler claims 600+grams daily
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I don't eat as much protein as most bodybuilders my size. Most guys eat 8 ounces of cooked meat per meal as I only eat 4 ounces per 6 meals. I tend to eat higher carbs and carbs are protein sparring.
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Pearl looked fantastic not eating any type of meat. Just think of how much money they make selling whey protein. That use to be the waste product of making cheese. Now it's an ultra expensive supplement.
When I reached a point in my early 20's where I could afford any supplement out there and I used everything. Now in my 50's I stopped using all supplements.
It's not ultra-expensive, anymore (at least, not if you stick primarily with whey protein concentrate...or wait until clearance sales hit ;D ).
Best deal I ever got was the now defunct HDT's 5+1 whey protein for $10 (that a six-pound jug, hence the name).
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High protein diets is a bunch of bullshit invented by supplement companies to sell more protein powder.
Hardly!! The old-school bodybuilder swore by high-protein diets. Most of them just either ate a lot of meat (Serge Nubret claimed to eat 8 lb. of beef a way, during a time where (he claimed) beef cost a fortune in France).
There were tales of guys, downing a gallon of milk a day (130 grams of protein, BTW), or carrying bags of boiled eggs so they could eat some every couple hours.
Old-school protein shakes were mainly just milk and eggs, blended together (which would tear you up if you're lactose-intolerant).
But claiming that high-proteins diets are BS, just to sell protein power, is well.......BS!!
Protein powders help, because they're portable, easy to consume (especially at work or school), and can help you ingest more protein than you can normally chew and swallow.
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OK, I just got off a conference call with 73,216 winning bodybuilders from the past 47 years. I told them they were all wrong. They must return their trophies and delete their pictures from history. Only Bill Pearl gets to keep his trophies and pictures.
Good luck with your bodybuilding while consuming 27 grams of protein daily, runts.
PS. I am available for fisticuffs at noon.
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Cutler claims 600+grams daily
;D ;D ;D
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PS. I am available for fisticuffs at noon.
;D
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http://www.allthingsgym.com/2012/06/protein-powder-analysis/
This report analysis show one more time what kind of deceiving piece of shit is Rich Gaspari!
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;D ;D ;D
A guy who competes between 250 and 270 can't consume that much protein? Why is that?
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Protein powder is a life saver for me. I get it at Sam's Club and it's worth every penny.
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Half a chicken a day and some milk has all the protein you'll mostly likely need to grow- unless your mega dosing anabolics.
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High protein diets is a bunch of bullshit invented by supplement companies to sell more protein powder.
YEAH
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In the old days lifters would consume complete whole food products like milk and eggs and high protein was something you did temporarily as part of a high calorie lifting program like 20 rep breathing squats. The high calorie component of whole food eating was a limiting factor that prevented protein from being the dominant nutrient. People were consuming like 200-300 grams a day for a few months or so. Nowadays people are sucking down denatured cross flow whey protein mixed with lo-cal juice, and they are pulling in 300+ grams a day every day for the rest of their lives.
THIS. IS. WRONG.
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I'll save OP some time, simple they got Assburgers burgers are high protein it'd only be logical that an injesting of high amount of proteen's would be needed.
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Well I guess every bodybuilding champion since the mid 60's was wrong. I'll call them all and let them know.
OK, I just got off a conference call with 73,216 winning bodybuilders from the past 47 years. I told them they were all wrong. They must return their trophies and delete their pictures from history. Only Bill Pearl gets to keep his trophies and pictures.
Good luck with your bodybuilding while consuming 27 grams of protein daily, runts.
PS. I am available for fisticuffs at noon.
;D
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I just love it when ppl refute the basics of bodybuilding.
"that doesn't work, you're doing it wrong" :D
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Why change the system?
There is no alternative to protein, everyone knows this. If one thing we have learned over the years is that bodybuilders will do absolutely anything to get big. They will also try anything, if a bodybuilder thought eating elephant poo would get them big they would, if a bodybuilder thought drinking sewage water would get you big they would drink it.
Bodybuilders have tried every combination of everything known to man and at the end it always ends up being exactly what has worked since day one and that is a lot of protein, plain and simple.
My body grows best at 300 grams a day and even more when I am dieting and I can not take 150 grams of protein and grow, sorry but it won't work.
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I like protein but at times I don't feel like it. I force myself to eat it half the time.
Yes, but as you've admitted elsewhere you aren't supplementing your diet with 'straight from the tap' infusions, thus making it more difficult to meet your daily protein needs.
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the thing is, he looks better on the before pics,lmfao
errr... yeah
thanks captain obvious :)
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errr... yeah
thanks captain obvious :)
my head is 30 percent larger in the first pic cause im closer to the camera
just like your lord god jay is closer making him appear larger
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/577126_4537480833539_1149893142_n.jpg)
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but i will say that letting the heme-iron out of yoursystem is a a good thing though. im a little bit weaker but not by a whole lot im just fatter
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(http://www.gratisimage.dk/graphic/images/2012/August/14/5332_502A21D5.jpg)
Have you seen recent photos? That after is inside a 400 pound man.
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Why change the system?
There is no alternative to protein, everyone knows this. If one thing we have learned over the years is that bodybuilders will do absolutely anything to get big. They will also try anything, if a bodybuilder thought eating elephant poo would get them big they would, if a bodybuilder thought drinking sewage water would get you big they would drink it.
Bodybuilders have tried every combination of everything known to man and at the end it always ends up being exactly what has worked since day one and that is a lot of protein, plain and simple.
My body grows best at 300 grams a day and even more when I am dieting and I can not take 150 grams of protein and grow, sorry but it won't work.
i thought serge nubret ate 5lbs horse meat and 5lbs beans once per day?
i saw arnold and franco eating plates of burgers and fries in pumping iron?
btw, what do you mean "grows"? have you really grown at all in the last decade or so?
why are you trying to grow while dieting? i thought you needed caloric surplus?
honest questions ???
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I suppose this goes for other people too: fitness freaks, soccer moms, etc.
What's really the reason? Out of the three macronutrients, protein is the only one with a good reputation. Fats have recovered a little, and these days carbs are the bogeyman. It's like people believe you can eat as much protein as you want, and only good things will happen. You'll never be fat, and the muscle will just pile on.
But doesn't this strike anyone else as just complete BULLSHIT? Tren + sickening cow genes =
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C1R6Yqo9moQ/SjEAoy_ZKxI/AAAAAAAABQw/qEjT5YkqzEU/s400/Belgian+Blue+cow.jpeg)
does this cow eat lots of steak? chicken?
no, but that bull is roided to fuckery
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i thought serge nubret ate 5lbs horse meat and 5lbs beans once per day?
i saw arnold and franco eating plates of burgers and fries in pumping iron?
btw, what do you mean "grows"? have you really grown at all in the last decade or so?
why are you trying to grow while dieting? i thought you needed caloric surplus?
honest questions ???
Grown? not height wise, I use that word as growing muscle.
Bro I grow cause every 2 years or so I take 6 months off from the gym and off all gear. I end up at 200 lb maybe 12% and that is what I stay at. When I get back into the swing of thing I gain 50 lb in 5-6 months with same bodyfat %, of course this is because I have already been here and of course I am then juice to the gills, but I can honestly say I would plateau at maybe 235 with anything less then 300 grams of protein per day and I know from experience there is no way I could get to 250 at the same bodyfat% without the large amounts of protein.
No I do not grow while dieting, that would be hard at this point, but I do add at least 100 grams of protein to prevent any muscle loss while dieting on no carbs. This year I am planning on growing to new territory (260 lb) before I start my diet for my shows in 2013 (unfortunately I have to start at the bottom levels again). So from 260 down to 215 there is not a day I won`t eat 400 grams of protein and trust me it is a task, I struggle but I do it.
but I actually know what you mean when some claim 800 grams per day, that would be hard to believe and certainly that amount would not yield better results then 400-500, of course we are talking about 300 pounders here, 180 pounder would need 250 grams at the very most and more then likely 200 would be enough. On the flip size the so called experts that claim 100 grams per day is enough are completely out to launch.
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Grown? not height wise, I use that word as growing muscle.
Bro I grow cause every 2 years or so I take 6 months off from the gym and off all gear. I end up at 200 lb maybe 12% and that is what I stay at. When I get back into the swing of thing I gain 50 lb in 5-6 months with same bodyfat %, of course this is because I have already been here and of course I am then juice to the gills, but I can honestly say I would plateau at maybe 235 with anything less then 300 grams of protein per day and I know from experience there is no way I could get to 250 at the same bodyfat% without the large amounts of protein.
No I do not grow while dieting, that would be hard at this point, but I do add at least 100 grams of protein to prevent any muscle loss while dieting on no carbs. This year I am planning on growing to new territory (260 lb) before I start my diet for my shows in 2013 (unfortunately I have to start at the bottom levels again). So from 260 down to 215 there is not a day I won`t eat 400 grams of protein and trust me it is a task, I struggle but I do it.
but I actually know what you mean when some claim 800 grams per day, that would be hard to believe and certainly that amount would not yield better results then 400-500, of course we are talking about 300 pounders here, 180 pounder would need 250 grams at the very most and more then likely 200 would be enough. On the flip size the so called experts that claim 100 grams per day is enough are completely out to launch.
Good post and I agree. I eat maybe 125-150 a day @ 200 lbs and don't notice any difference from when I ate 500 (well, back then I was fat).
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Good post and I agree. I eat maybe 125-150 a day @ 200 lbs and don't notice any difference from when I ate 500 (well, back then I was fat).
Ya 500 at that weight is way to much and I agree it would be a waste of time and money, congrats at losing the fat, always good to hear the ex fat people are now living with a better physique
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Ya 500 at that weight is way to much and I agree it would be a waste of time and money, congrats at losing the fat, always good to hear the ex fat people are now living with a better physique
haha i mean i went from maybe 8%, tried to "bodybuild" without hormones, got up to 260 at maybe 15%, eating 6000+ calories and 500 g protein a day, realized i was retarded, and settled back into 10% ish.
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haha i mean i went from maybe 8%, tried to "bodybuild" without hormones, got up to 260 at maybe 15%, eating 6000+ calories and 500 g protein a day, realized i was retarded, and settled back into 10% ish.
Oh my bad, sorry misunderstood I thought you meant you where fat from before, I see. Well everyone is different but I suspect, and recommend BTW, that if you added 50 grams more per day you would benefit from it.