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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Tubbs on November 27, 2005, 04:39:10 AM
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Don't know if it was discussed before, but it looks good. Will come out in december or so on mesormophosis.com.
Steroid Secrets of Pro Bodybuilders Revealed (VHS)
Retail Price: $150.00
Our Price: $69.00
Tom Platz interviews Lee Priest and five other professional bodybuilders to finally blow the lid off the secrets of professional steroid use! Tom has seen it all, done everything there is to be done, won almost all the important titles. And he loves this sport... so much that he wanted to help "blow the lid" off the secrecy around steroids and drugs.
Tom (and each of the pro's you're about to hear from) have friends who have suffered serious "accidents" due to athletic drug use. Everyone knows the top bodybuilders are using various bodybuilding drugs - it has been impossible to compete without drugs in any major contest for nearly thirty years now. (Arnold Schwartzenegger would be blown off the stage today, too "small" to compete with today's athletes... but not because the human race has suddenly gotten bigger. It's because of better drugs, and better medical info among the top guys.) But because of the rumors, misinformation and outright lies about drugs in the sport today, amateurs and young bodybuilders are misinformed about how these drugs are actually used.
Tom knows all the top bodybuilders. He set up the astonishing interviews you are about to see. (Yes, we videotaped the entire interviews, uncut and uncensored.) He went to his Rolodex and called the top six professionals he knew. Only one turned him down. Lee Priest and five others immediately said yes. They would do it because Tom asked them to.
You have to understand what these guys are risking here. They all come from the very TOP of the pro bodybuilding hierarchy. They earn good livings from competing, from getting product endorsements, and from being featured in the magazines. Many of them have families to support, and none of them could ever make this kind of money in any other career.
At the level they compete at, even the most fabulous diet and training and genetics will get you no higher than fourth place... unless you
have your drugs "dialed in" precisely. So they are giving away the most important secrets they have for winning competitions at the highest level... and you can bet their opponents are paying attention. What's more, they could be legally vulnerable for admitting to what is often illegal abuse of controlled drugs. They could be banned from competition. They could lose their endorsement contracts. Even worse, they will be easy targets for the tabloid media, who will brand them "steroid freaks".
Yet, even knowing these risks, six of the top-ranked bodybuilders in the sport today agreed to go on camera with Tom and tell all.
On these videotapes, each guy sits alone with Tom Platz for the most intense interview of their life - so you get the exact story of each separate bodybuilder, without interruption.
Lee Priest courageously insisted on appearing without "cover" - the other five, understandably, requested that their faces and voices be masked slightly. No one wanted to ruin these guys' reputations, so we agreed. You can see their bodies plainly... the most ripped and huge bodies in the sport. Only their identities have been digitally altered. But that doesn't matter - it's what these guys revealed that's important.
There are five (5) hour-long tapes in this package, plus a transcription book of each individual interview (so you will never miss a single word of what's being said).
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no dvd?
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Don't know if it was discussed before, but it looks good. Will come out in december or so on mesormophosis.com.
Steroid Secrets of Pro Bodybuilders Revealed (VHS)
Retail Price: $150.00
Our Price: $69.00
Tom Platz interviews Lee Priest and five other professional bodybuilders to finally blow the lid off the secrets of professional steroid use! Tom has seen it all, done everything there is to be done, won almost all the important titles. And he loves this sport... so much that he wanted to help "blow the lid" off the secrecy around steroids and drugs.
Tom (and each of the pro's you're about to hear from) have friends who have suffered serious "accidents" due to athletic drug use. Everyone knows the top bodybuilders are using various bodybuilding drugs - it has been impossible to compete without drugs in any major contest for nearly thirty years now. (Arnold Schwartzenegger would be blown off the stage today, too "small" to compete with today's athletes... but not because the human race has suddenly gotten bigger. It's because of better drugs, and better medical info among the top guys.) But because of the rumors, misinformation and outright lies about drugs in the sport today, amateurs and young bodybuilders are misinformed about how these drugs are actually used.
Tom knows all the top bodybuilders. He set up the astonishing interviews you are about to see. (Yes, we videotaped the entire interviews, uncut and uncensored.) He went to his Rolodex and called the top six professionals he knew. Only one turned him down. Lee Priest and five others immediately said yes. They would do it because Tom asked them to.
You have to understand what these guys are risking here. They all come from the very TOP of the pro bodybuilding hierarchy. They earn good livings from competing, from getting product endorsements, and from being featured in the magazines. Many of them have families to support, and none of them could ever make this kind of money in any other career.
At the level they compete at, even the most fabulous diet and training and genetics will get you no higher than fourth place... unless you
have your drugs "dialed in" precisely. So they are giving away the most important secrets they have for winning competitions at the highest level... and you can bet their opponents are paying attention. What's more, they could be legally vulnerable for admitting to what is often illegal abuse of controlled drugs. They could be banned from competition. They could lose their endorsement contracts. Even worse, they will be easy targets for the tabloid media, who will brand them "steroid freaks".
Yet, even knowing these risks, six of the top-ranked bodybuilders in the sport today agreed to go on camera with Tom and tell all.
On these videotapes, each guy sits alone with Tom Platz for the most intense interview of their life - so you get the exact story of each separate bodybuilder, without interruption.
Lee Priest courageously insisted on appearing without "cover" - the other five, understandably, requested that their faces and voices be masked slightly. No one wanted to ruin these guys' reputations, so we agreed. You can see their bodies plainly... the most ripped and huge bodies in the sport. Only their identities have been digitally altered. But that doesn't matter - it's what these guys revealed that's important.
There are five (5) hour-long tapes in this package, plus a transcription book of each individual interview (so you will never miss a single word of what's being said).
There are no secrets, you idiot. Just takes tones of it, without cycling, while having a full medical staff checking your health, regularly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Don't waste your time and money. I know these guys aren't gonna give you what you wanna hear. Hell Lee Preist claims he doesn't use Testosterone. It'll just be a similar pile of bullshit.
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I love it how everyone knows what the pros are taking. ::)
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I love it how everyone knows what the pros are taking. ::)
Shutup you hater there are shitloads of psychics on this site.
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Don't waste your time and money. I know these guys aren't gonna give you what you wanna hear. Hell Lee Preist claims he doesn't use Testosterone. It'll just be a similar pile of bullshit.
Haterade.
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Borracho gets his testosterone straight from his boyfriends tap.
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That's a lot of money for one tape.
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cuz they are chargin so much you must/should assume its because they really are 'blowin the lid' off pro steroid cycles and want a retty penny for the info!
we'll see..... lee is practically retired so prolly dont give a shit about any repurcussions.
we'll see ... anyone gona buy it ??
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The Tapes were done about 6 years ago.But you can tell who they are.And evryone on there was very honest in what they used.
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who were they Lee?
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I don't even have a vcr anymore.... I would just like to buy the transcripts,, I wonder if they are available...
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If someone says Dorian used to take 8 g of test per week, everyone's gonna believe it as doubtful as it is...but if a pro tells he only takes minimal doses, nobody's gonna believe him. As far as I can remember I've never seen Lee being small even if he is without a doubt one of those pros who take breaks from AAS. God, did you see his arms when he was 12 years old and hadn't touched a weight so far? I believe some bbers are more gifted than others, like in any other sport by the way. Are all the pros sincere about what they take? Hell no, but I remember pics of Lee at 16 years old doing a contest with his mother (I think this was his first one); he already had a great bod, let alone for a guy this young, and I really can't believe he was already using something back then. Yeah, that's not fair, but some people need less and still get more results in the end.
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By 21 Lee was already enormous...
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Lee,
We all know you're a genetic freak. But at what age did you start juicing?
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Borracho gets his testosterone straight from his boyfriends tap.
good one
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By 21 Lee was already enormous...
lee had a "back" back then............where did it go ;D
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that would definitely be interesting to check out, but the price is super high.
also its funny how they said faces were blurred out on them; most people on this site could recognnize any pro from as little as one square inch of thier arm
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The Tapes were done about 6 years ago.But you can tell who they are.And evryone on there was very honest in what they used.
fancy givin us a taster ... ya wee shitey ??
hey lee ... how much test ya use a week ??
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Lee,
We all know you're a genetic freak. But at what age did you start juicing?
I have answered this a million times at 19 i took deca 200mg a weeks for 8 weeks and put on 20 pounds.
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Ronnie is on there ,Chris ,Dennis newman, i cant remember the others but you can tell by the body ,dillet was another one.And dillet was honest he lived with me for 8 months leading up to the 98 Olympia and i saw what he took.Half of what you all believe that is for sure.He took more clen the steriods most the time
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what did Ronnie say he took, Lee?
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(Arnold Schwartzenegger would be blown off the stage today, too "small" to compete with today's athletes... but not because the human race has suddenly gotten bigger. It's because of better drugs, and better medical info among the top guys.)
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I love reading quotes like this when it pertains to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Granted, in the leg department ANYONE from the 70's would be blown away by anyone else on stage from about 1990 onward. And yes, it's due to drugs such as Insulin, GH, and stronger anabolics.
But to say that he'd be blown off stage is insane. The guy had arms that measured over 21 inches, and Mr. Olympia has 23 inch arms. So in about 30 years Science has only improved biceps by 2 inches!
As for Arnold's chest, I still haven't seen anyone rival his side chest shot, nor anyone else rival his classic side arm pose which shows the detail in all three heads of his tris and separations between both biceps.
And attached is a pic that shows Arnold probably could have matched a certain pro today in the upper body, but obviously is destroyed in the leg department. He also had an incredible back!
And this video tape is worth getting, but not for $70. It's never "retailed" for $130 anywhere on the planet until that figure was put up by the company now distributing it. A friend obtained this tape for about $30 from a shop in NYC a few years back. It's worth it simply for the shock value of everyone except Lee. I believe Lee is the most honest one on the tape, and it's a hard pill to swallow, but he had the balls to do it and he's been consistent in all of these years in terms of what he's taken and not taken.
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That's a lot of money for one tape.
I'd say a pretty good deal for 5 hours worth of video.
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Ronnie is on there ,Chris ,Dennis newman, i cant remember the others but you can tell by the body ,dillet was another one.And dillet was honest he lived with me for 8 months leading up to the 98 Olympia and i saw what he took.Half of what you all believe that is for sure.He took more clen the steriods most the time
Doesn't he have pretty bad asthma? I remember seeing him being interviewed on one of the tapes and he seemed to be having a real hard time breathing. Still makes me uncomfortable to watch.
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I have answered this a million times at 19 i took deca 200mg a weeks for 8 weeks and put on 20 pounds.
lee, doesnt deca alone give you hardcore limp dick and shut you down harder than anything else? or is this not true? in any case thats awesome that you are upfront with people, all this trying to hide it shit is stupid
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This thread is clutch :D
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nobody will be able to read an old crapy "tape", what about a dvd you fucking losers...
Too expanssive to produce?
I guess these morons claims they re only abusin creatine in these "interviews"??
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we need undercover titus on here... he'll give us a typical stack!
i find it hilarious that pros will drop each other in the s'hit by sayin whos doin gay for pay ... but they wont give us an honest indication about the gear goin into the glutes! ::)
i mean roids aint even a big deal anymore ...why so guarded ?
and if you think dillet got that humungous size with some clen tabs ,lol ... and the bastard never even trained with any intensity... then lee can go f'uck right off .... anythin hes got to say aint worth a turd!
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we need undercover titus on here... he'll give us a typical stack!
i find it hilarious that pros will drop each other in the s'hit by sayin whos doin gay for pay ... but they wont give us an honest indication about the gear goin into the glutes! ::)
i mean roids aint even a big deal anymore ...why so guarded ?
and if you think dillet got that humungous size with some clen tabs ,lol ... and the bastard never even trained with any intensity... then lee can go f'uck right off .... anythin hes got to say aint worth a turd!
so true.
Liars, the lot of em.
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FINALLY it will be re-released. 8)
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VHS.. lol they did that so its harder to burn onto the comp...... :-\
Although I really dont think everyone there told the whole truth but I still want to see it im sure there is some truth to it
that can't be it. I can easily copy my vhs tapes to dvd with my dvd player and then play them on my computer or do whatever with them.
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we need undercover titus on here... he'll give us a typical stack!
i find it hilarious that pros will drop each other in the s'hit by sayin whos doin gay for pay ... but they wont give us an honest indication about the gear goin into the glutes! ::)
i mean roids aint even a big deal anymore ...why so guarded ?
and if you think dillet got that humungous size with some clen tabs ,lol ... and the bastard never even trained with any intensity... then lee can go f'uck right off .... anythin hes got to say aint worth a turd!
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where is Titus when ya need him
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hey didnt you guys know? Lee got himself up to something like 280lbs in the off season by eating a few chicken breasts and taking 200mg of deca and 200mg of primo? of course, lee has never copped anywhere to the insane amount of GH and insulin he probably used. lets see, most guys on this board probably use somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000+ mgs per week of gear, most of us probably more. and most of those people actually eat correctly and train with some major intensity. but never reach 280lbs. but lee did it at a height of 5 ft 4 and on minimal drugs. sure. i believe that.
the few pros i have talked to in my life, and it hasnt been many, probably i think only 4 in the last decade. all have told me that GH is a major part of their routine. 8iu's per day was the lowest level i was ever told. a baseline of 2000mgs a week of test was a constant. generally fina of some sort was in there as a favorite. one guy told me he took 4000mgs a week of EQ because it made him eat even more and he loved the vascularity. dbol was another favorite. 100-200mgs per day. and anadrol 50, 2 per day for bursts of a few weeks at a time was also very popular.
i know a national competitor who uses in excess of 8000mgs a week, all put together, or gear. no matter what way you cut it, that is expensive and dangerous as hell if not monitored.
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you douchebags, just because hes huge doesnt mean he needed 2000g of gear a week to get there. some pros probably do, but not all of them.
Lee, like ronnie and dillet and some others, are the absolute pinnacle of human muscularity, they are freaks even among the other pros.
at least Lee will actually discuss this stuff with us, unlike the other pussies in the industry who will deny to the end that they ever did gear.
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Yeah Lee looks like an IGF fiend. I wouldn't be surprised if he blew up off winstol and deca alone. I mean, he was competing at 13 naturally, so I'm sure he doesn't need more than 1500 mg's a week total to get himself in top shape. Dillet on the other hand, I dunno, 340 lbs with a shitty work ethic? It takes a few weekly grams to get like that. I'd love to see Gustavo and Heiko consume on a weekly basis, those two guys have inhuman thickness.
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There are no secrets, you idiot. Just takes tones of it, without cycling, while having a full medical staff checking your health, regularly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This is very accurate....it does not matter what your taking, as long as it is in the 8-15 grams/week area you will grow like a pro.
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This is very accurate....it does not matter what your taking, as long as it is in the 8-15 grams/week area you will grow like a pro.
Are you being serious?
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I have answered this a million times at 19 i took deca 200mg a weeks for 8 weeks and put on 20 pounds.
Now that's what I call good genetics!! :o
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i dont doubt that lee gained 20 lbs on 200mg of deca for 8 weeks.
get this.
back in the day i had a tub of s'hitty old AST 4ad ..... i took two caps per day (500mg) didnt train or increase my dietary intake... and i effortlessly gain 14 pounds and kept the lot! :-*
that was some mad s'hit when i took that stuff out of curiousity and id never never used any anabolics before.
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This is very accurate....it does not matter what your taking, as long as it is in the 8-15 grams/week area you will grow like a pro.
I guess that would do it... lol
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I have it and yes, you can pretty much tell who each person is.
Also with the people Lee mentioned earlier, another one on there is Aaron Baker.
It's an interesting video, listening to what they have take and what they use pre contest. It's an interesting comparison when comparing your own cycles to theirs.
Tom Platz also ask alot of questions we would want to hear. I would recommend this to have in your library of DVD's.
One question Lee, why did they block everyone else's faces but yours?
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I have answered this a million times at 19 i took deca 200mg a weeks for 8 weeks and put on 20 pounds.
Why, why, Lee, you mean to say that you didn't build your "massive physique" with the aid of ONLY the food supplements, whose ads you constantly appear-in (and promote/swear-by!) in the muscle-mags/muscle-"rags"!??
I mean, you and the mag. ads have SWORN for years that all you need do is JUST take those hyped EXPENSIVE mag. food supplements, and workout hard, to obtain a "massive physique" like yours...someday!?
You mean to say that you actually LIED and deliberately DECEIVED legions of gullible, innocent, American youth and, INSTEAD, built your body with the considerable aid of dangerous, deadly, illegal, drugs, rather than the just the expensive food supplements you SWORE in the mags. helped build you "massive physique"?!
If so, may the earth open-up and you, and your evil, lying/deceiving pro. BB ilk, be swallowed into the bowels-of-hell along with the lying, deceiving, food supplement promoters, as well!
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One question Lee, why did they block everyone else's faces but yours?
Because Lee was the only one that wasn't trying to hide his identity. It's a good series. I have it too.
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Because Lee was the only one that wasn't trying to hide his identity. It's a good series. I have it too.
are their 'revelations ' realistic.. or more outright lyin and clandestine hand in glove bulls'hit ?
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I tried to buy the tapes at my local video store, but they were sold out of the XBOX 360 and "Secrets of the Pros". Then I went on ebay but those greedy bastards wanted twice the retail price for the XBOX 360 and ten times the retail for "Secrets of the Pros". Now what am I gonna do?
Maybe someone could burn it to DVD or upload some video. That would be a nice gesture!
Special "The Copy Guy" Ed
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Why, why, Lee, you mean to say that you didn't build your "massive physique" with the aid of ONLY the food supplements, whose ads you constantly appear-in (and promote/swear-by!) in the muscle-mags/muscle-"rags"!??
I mean, you and the mag. ads have SWORN for years that all you need do is JUST take those hyped EXPENSIVE mag. food supplements, and workout hard, to obtain a "massive physique" like yours...someday!?
You mean to say that you actually LIED and deliberately DECEIVED legions of gullible, innocent, American youth and, INSTEAD, built your body with the considerable aid of dangerous, deadly, illegal, drugs, rather than the just the expensive food supplements you SWORE in the mags. helped build you "massive physique"?!
If so, may the earth open-up and you, and your evil, lying/deceiving pro. BB ilk, be swallowed into the bowels-of-hell along with the lying, deceiving, food supplement promoters, as well!
LOL
Hey, if you're dumb enough to buy cell tech cause kamali (the man of your dreams) pimps it than its your own fault.
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Tell us, does Lee claim not to use testosterone? If so then it's not worth buying because anyone that knows anything about the darkside of bodybuilding would laugh at him saying that.
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well sorry to upset you but i dont.
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Tell us, does Lee claim not to use testosterone? If so then it's not worth buying because anyone that knows anything about the darkside of bodybuilding would laugh at him saying that.
LOL! What the f uck is your problem??? Lee has been honest about everything else. He even risks fines and suspension for telling the cold hard truth that no-one else has the balls to say. Why would he lie about using test???
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I don't know Lee but I can tell you guys that it is not totally impossible that he does not take any test. I used to speak with Vic Richards a lot a few years ago and he was very fond of tren and all of the lower androgenic steroids. He basically said that if you go up high enough on the dosages you would get better overall cleaner gains. With tren being the exception. Also, some people like tren way better than test so theoretically there might not ever be any need for test.
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Can't anyone train natural these days? Is it really that hard.
Once you put drugs in the equation, it's just a matter of how much for how long. I don't see the satisfaction in making drug gains? If almost everyone who takes gear gains 20lbs rather easily, then where is the big challenge here? Forget about the health risks, which I believe are overhyped. I always felt bodybuilding should be about pushing "yourself" to the limit. Taking a bunch of shit to get big, there really is no tremendous challenge. Look around any gym and you'll see tons of second rate juicers looking mediocre...it's not very hard. I give credit to anyone who trains hard, diets well, and is consistent for a long period of time. Now a days, nobody seems to be able to accomplish anything natural. To me, it's pretty sad.
Nothing wrong with hitting some gear, but it seems like people use gear as a crutch, rather than something to enhance their training lifestyle. And again, where is the satisfaction of knowing the route of your gains are because of what drug you took? Seems pointless, unless it is your career.
Croatch on...
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...I recall the ads of that tape series years back...I thought it was overpriced, and I recall that it wasn't very honest from what the boards at the time mentioned. Plus, I'm not on anabolics so 5 hours of talk about it doesn't really sound too interesting, but if it were at a cheaper price, perhaps.
I woulnd't be surprised if all the guys were very honest. Why not?....who's gives a shit, really. Lee says he doesn't do test, y'all yell BS. Skip says he doesn't do anabolics y'all yell he's lying. Who cares anymore!
For those of you trying to burn on Lee or any other pro for making ads that are slightly BS, oh well. Buyer beware. I ain't fooled, good enough.
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Can't anyone train natural these days? Is it really that hard.
What is so wrong about someone wanting to give themself an edge when it comes to building muscle or losing fat? Does it truly have any affect on you or any other "natural" lifter if I or someone else chooses to speed up the process of gaining muscle? I sure as hell didn't think I was in a competition against anyone else while working out. But I guess maybe some "natties" have that mindset, so I or other "juicers" are therefore "cheating". ;D
I always felt bodybuilding should be about pushing "yourself" to the limit. Taking a bunch of shit to get big, there really is no tremendous challenge.
Why do people assume that you don't have bust your ass in the gym to continue gaining muscle or diet hard to lose fat, etc. when on steroids? Yep, once you start taking steroids, there's no more work involved! Sit at home, eat shit all day, and you'll eventually wake up looking like a competitive bodybuilder! How many steroid users can say there is no longer any significant challenge to bodybuilding now that they're on steroids? Outside of those with the most insane genetics (and even in that case), I'd say extremely few to none (my opinion of course).
Look around any gym and you'll see tons of second rate juicers looking mediocre...it's not very hard.
Of course, but it's the same as looking around any gym and seeing "mediocre" natural trainers. I guess I don't see why the "natural crusaders" feel the need to bash any steroid using lifter who doesn't happen to be 260 lbs and 6% bodyfat. Steroids are NOT miracle drugs, as you pointed out in the quote above. Also, how are you able to tell (in most cases apparently) who exactly is on drugs in "any gym"?
I give credit to anyone who trains hard, diets well, and is consistent for a long period of time. Now a days, nobody seems to be able to accomplish anything natural. To me, it's pretty sad.
Nothing wrong with hitting some gear, but it seems like people use gear as a crutch, rather than something to enhance their training lifestyle. And again, where is the satisfaction of knowing the route of your gains are because of what drug you took? Seems pointless, unless it is your career.
Croatch on...
Croatch, I'm not sure who you're speaking of when you say "NOBODY seems to be able to accomplish anything natural".
I totally agree with you in saying that people (not every user) use gear as a crutch. I think many get into a mindset (initially) that steroids will solve all of their muscle building problems. The drugs will do everything for them. But we all know it doesn't work like that. Sure, steroids can speed up the process of building muscle, but again it doesn't mean there's no hard work involved. I mean, if steroids were really "all that", then you could sit on your couch for three months, eat Mickey D's 24/7, take high dose 'roids and then walk out the door one day looking like the guy on the cover of Flex, right?. For some reason I doubt that's happening to anyone.
And since when did bodybuilding go from being all about the end result (how you look), to the difficulty and length of the process (of building a lean, muscular body)?
I guess I simply don't agree in making generic statements such as "there's no challenge" or "where's the satisfaction of knowing the route of your gains because of what drug you took" etc., because that's simply not the case. And if you haven't taken steroids and experienced those exact things when "on", I fail to see how one could make such statements. My $.02.
If you enjoy bodybuilding, weightlifting, etc. without steroids and want to see how far you can go naturally, then that's cool too. I completely respect that.
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Tell us, does Lee claim not to use testosterone? If so then it's not worth buying because anyone that knows anything about the darkside of bodybuilding would laugh at him saying that.
Yeah, you know everything right? You must be some kind of steroid guru. lol. I believe Lee Priest. Some people can't stand the idea of someone doing better with lesser amounts of the drugs. It humbles the ego. Lee would be huge without steroids because he is gifted. He genetically gifted and genetically cursed(his height!) lol!
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well sorry to upset you but i dont.
LMFAO.
Priceless.
YIP
Zack
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Can't anyone train natural these days? Is it really that hard.
Once you put drugs in the equation, it's just a matter of how much for how long. I don't see the satisfaction in making drug gains? If almost everyone who takes gear gains 20lbs rather easily, then where is the big challenge here? Forget about the health risks, which I believe are overhyped. I always felt bodybuilding should be about pushing "yourself" to the limit. Taking a bunch of shit to get big, there really is no tremendous challenge. Look around any gym and you'll see tons of second rate juicers looking mediocre...it's not very hard. I give credit to anyone who trains hard, diets well, and is consistent for a long period of time. Now a days, nobody seems to be able to accomplish anything natural. To me, it's pretty sad.
Nothing wrong with hitting some gear, but it seems like people use gear as a crutch, rather than something to enhance their training lifestyle. And again, where is the satisfaction of knowing the route of your gains are because of what drug you took? Seems pointless, unless it is your career.
Croatch on...
Well said that is so true.Nobody want to do the foundation work anymore.
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Lee has been honest about everything else. He even risks fines and suspension for telling the cold hard truth that no-one else has the balls to say.
And that's why I respect the man. 8)
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one person will buy it, compress it into a mpeg file, and everyone will enjoy dling it on peer to peer.
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Can't anyone train natural these days? Is it really that hard.
FWIW,
I came across this article regarding maximal size attainable by natural trainers:
http://www.swt.bz/oldswt/miscellaneous/references/maximum_measurements.htm
Pretty interesting stuff. The general formula is that your maximal attainable lean weight is 100 pounds plus 10 pounds for every inch over 5 feet. I am 5'9" and weigh 195, but I am not bodybuilder lean. I estimate that if I drop to 175-180 as I was when I was a bicycle racer, I would be closer to the model. That would indicate I could gain another 10 -15 pounds of muscle. I would be happy with that!
Also, the author lists the muscle sizes and weights of past champions like Clancy Ross and John Grimek. They weighed in the range of 200-210 pounds. There doesn't appear to be a list of their heights though.
One other note - there is a time line of the introduction of steroids. It looks like the early 1960's is when the usage of these substances became pervasive.
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Sure, steroids can speed up the process of building muscle, but again it doesn't mean there's no hard work involved. I mean, if steroids were really "all that", then you could sit on your couch for three months, eat Mickey D's 24/7, take high dose 'roids and then walk out the door one day looking like the guy on the cover of Flex, right?.
Yes, right : roids, and GH particularly, make everything.
Didn't you see the sample of dogs or oxen on roids completely hypertrophied ?
Do you think dogs lift weights ? ???
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Yes, right : roids, and GH particularly, make everything.
Didn't you see the sample of dogs or oxen on roids completely hypertrophied ?
Do you think dogs lift weights ? ???
If steroids "make everything" as you state, then why doesn't every steroid using lifter look like a pro bodybuilder? Maybe because steroids are only part of the equation?
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are their 'revelations ' realistic.. or more outright lyin and clandestine hand in glove bulls'hit ?
I think it’s all pretty candid. I don’t know about revelations but I guess that depends on who you’ve been getting your info from. I remember when Lee posted his cycle on here a few years ago a bunch of idiots said that he didn’t know what he was doing. You got that? Some idiots are going to tell one of the top bodybuilders in the World that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I gotta just scratch my head on that one.
Max Rep what does Ronnie say on there?
Honestly, i don’t remember specifics. If I was using the tapes as a recipe for myself, I might have been more attentive. I was more curios than anything else and the producer of the tapes gave them to me because they wanted me to re-do the sales copy but we couldn’t agree on compensation. I think I may go re-watch them.
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If steroids "make everything" as you state, then why doesn't every steroid using lifter look like a pro bodybuilder? Maybe because steroids are only part of the equation?
Everyone has a different genetic make up therefore not everyone will look the same. At the same time you need to realize that when animals, say cattle for instance are given steroids they are not put on a lifting program. They gain muscle anyway.
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Most guys feel that they have to somehow justify the use of steroids. They will talk about how hard they lift as this somehow makes it a good reason for taking them. Ronnie lifts hard and heavy, Dillett lifts, well we all know that he isn't breaking any records for the most intense guy around. Some will say that he's just a freak that would grow from doing anything. If that's the case then why do these guys shrink up to nothing when they come off? Face facts, steroids build muscle. That's why they were created!!
BTW, there is no science to taking steroids, plenty of muscle has been built by using just deca and d-bol. All this other bullshit you hear about fancy cycles and bridging blah blah blah. No one on this board (except for the pros) is even close to being built like a pro even from t he 70's and they didn't have half the stuff we have today. Kinda makes you wonder if any of it is needed.
Stop trying to find a reason to admire the pros. You can admire them for any reason you want to. There is no need to justify why you do.
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well sorry to upset you but i dont.
maybe lee should have used test ... then he might have developed decent pecs and a back!
test is the alpha male hormone.... and your upper body is the alpha male showpiece!
ya should have pinned some , lee.... you might have swelled a little there ... you know what i mean!!
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Everyone has a different genetic make up therefore not everyone will look the same. At the same time you need to realize that when animals, say cattle for instance are given steroids they are not put on a lifting program. They gain muscle anyway.
Right, everyone responds differently to steroids. Which is why, IMO, it's lame to make blanket statements about people who use steroids ("there's no challenge",etc). Gaining lots of muscle doesn't become super easy for everyone who takes steroids. And just like the studies in animals, there are human studies showing muscle increases in detrained subjects.
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Right, everyone responds differently to steroids. Which is why, IMO, it's lame to make blanket statements about people who use steroids ("there's no challenge",etc). Gaining lots of muscle doesn't become super easy for everyone who takes steroids. And just like the studies in animals, there are human studies showing muscle increases in detraining subjects.
Yep and just because one guy responds way better than another doesn't mean he is lifting harder.
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Yep and just because one guy responds way better than another doesn't mean he is lifting harder.
Agreed.
I guess the only point I'm making is that there are still challenges to building muscle, losing fat, etc. when taking steroids. You will still hit plateaus in gaining strength, muscle gain, etc.
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There is an old saying:
Better life through chemistry
The rest of human society lives by this credo, why shouldn't it apply to sports.
And by the way, are female competitorr with fake breast natural?
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maybe lee should have used test ... then he might have developed decent pecs and a back!
test is the alpha male hormone.... and your upper body is the alpha male showpiece!
ya should have pinned some , lee.... you might have swelled a little there ... you know what i mean!!
I just can´t belive what some of you jackasses write on this board. Here we have the oppertunity to chat with Lee Priest one of the best bodybuilder in the world and you totally disrespect the guy. The only reason I check this board is to see what Lee and the other pros has to say, besides that this is a joke. Yoo freeagain and all you other clowns go messure your 12" guns and your 2" dicks instead of wasting Lee´s time.
Fucking loosers
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maybe lee should have used test ... then he might have developed decent pecs and a back!
test is the alpha male hormone.... and your upper body is the alpha male showpiece!
ya should have pinned some , lee.... you might have swelled a little there ... you know what i mean!!
Attention advertisers... you too can reach this PRIME demographic! This post is exactly what I was talking about.
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happy birthday max rep. you're officially fucking old, dude.
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happy birthday max rep. you're officially fucking old, dude.
No way. Still a pup. Thanks.
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I just can´t belive what some of you jackasses write on this board. Here we have the oppertunity to chat with Lee Priest one of the best bodybuilder in the world and you totally disrespect the guy. The only reason I check this board is to see what Lee and the other pros has to say, besides that this is a joke. Yoo freeagain and all you other clowns go messure your 12" guns and your 2" dicks instead of wasting Lee´s time.
Fucking loosers
Gee gollies, not all us scathing critics of illegal BB drug-using, drug-bloated, “dead-man-walking”, pro. BBers, like your idol/god Lee Priest, are such “fucckin’ losers”!
Actually, as purely a “nobody”…i.e. as an ALL-NATURAL “recreational” BBer, to whom BB was/IS just a mere lifetime hobby, I managed to develop 19” arms (slightly larger than 12”), a 52” chest, and a 32” waist at a bwt. of 210 lbs. in my youth. Oh, uhhhh, dick size 8”…not 2”!!
But then, that was in my late teens to early 20’s…now, four looonnng decades later, I still have 17” arms, 48” chest, and a 36” waist with a six-pack evident, at 190 lb. bwt.!
Gosh, four decades, why, why, that’s approximately as long as drug-bloated pro. BB FREAKS like Lee Priest actually LIVE!!! But hell, what’s such ridiculous goals as “health and longevity”, when you can have “BB glory”, instead...yes, BB glory at ALL costs!!
I mean, way, way, back when I was a mere ALL-NATURAL Olympic weightlifting national champion teenager, I clean and jerked (C&J) OFFICIALLY 340 lbs. at a bwt. of only 183 lbs…why, that was approx. 1.86X bwt…why, why, your drug-bloated pro. BB god/FREAK Lee, at approx. 260 lbs., would have to do 483 lbs. in the C&J to match my 340 lb./183 lb ratio…a 483 lb. weight I am SURE Lee could NOT manage in the C&J!
However, not using just ratio comparisons, my official best C&J was 157 lbs. over my 183 lb. bwt…so, on this basis, drug-bloated, pro. BB freak, Lee would have to lift 157 lbs. in the C&J over his estimated bwt. of 260 lbs…i.e. 417 lbs.! I still doubt, even with all of his drug-bloated strength advantage, Lee could accomplish this comparable feat of ATHLETIC POWER!
And, I’m just a NOBODY…just another of the LEGIONS upon LEGIONS of ALL-NATURAL weight-trainers (a.k.a. “recreational” BBers) who are simply sick and tired of the EVIL STIGMA unfairly/unjustly placed upon us by the general public, and the media, who stereotype us as ‘ROID FREAKS, just like Lee and his illegal drug-using, lying/deceiving, pro. BB drug-FREAK/criminals!
We all-natural BBers are disgusted with having to try and explain to a disbelieving public, “over and over again”, that we built our superior physiques, NATURALLY, WITHOUT ‘roids. But, thanks to Lee, and his evil pro. BB ilk, no-one believes us!
No, I sure as hell wouldn’t exchange my nearly seven decades of a super-healthy, happy, life on this earth, fathering five children, and a very satisfying career, for all of the very evanescent "pro. BB glory" in the world!!! Seven decades on this earth, why hell, that is approximately three decades LONGER than most drug-freak pro. BBers actually live!
Hey Jake, maybe you could get your “god” Lee to publish his detailed illegal pro. BB drug-cycles and his medical history(??!)…i.e. sort of along the lines of what that very courageous, anonymous (of course!), competitive pro. BBer did in his interview posted at the URL…
http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
But then, if Lee did so, he would actually have tell the TRUTH for a change!??? TRUTH in pro. BB…why, why, about as much of a chance of TRUTH in pro. BB as a SNOWBALL IN HELL!!
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Damn Rich, mellow out. Why do you feel obligated to convince anyone that you are natural and anyone who is huge is a steroids user ??? BTW, the truelyhuge interview is mostly crap.
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I have to agree that steroids users makes bbing NOT mainstream.
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I have to agree that steroids users makes bbing NOT mainstream.
Bodybuilding is not mainstream and never will be because the general public has no desire to see a bunch of men in their undies on stage posing and making funny faces at each other. Doesn't matter if they are big or small. BTW, I watched the O on payperview. ::)
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Guys! we all know Ronnie Coleman is natural. I mean he was a cop for years. you can't be a cop and take illegal substances. ;)
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Damn Rich, mellow out. Why do you feel obligated to convince anyone that you are natural and anyone who is huge is a steroids user ??? BTW, the truelyhuge interview is mostly crap.
Uhhh...not anyone who is "huge"...do you mean "naturally huge" like Mike Ashley...I'm all for that type of "huge"?!! But, not a huge 300 lb. drug-FREAK like RC!!
Uhhh sorry,...the "trulyhuge interview" is closer to the TRUTH than anything published in the lyin'/deceiving BB mags/rags since that '97 interview!
Gee Disgusted, why don't you ask your "pro. BB buddies" to publish their actual contest prep. drug-cycles, instead of the LYIN' CRAP they publish in the BB mags.! In other words, how they, instead, got in their "pre-contest" condition with the aid of some worthless food supplement, SOLELY...to mislead/deceive, and fleece $$$, from gullible readers!
Oh, and don't forget, how about these pro. BB drug-FREAKS publishing their medical histories...i.e. blood pressure...blood profiles, etc., as well??!
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Uhhh...not anyone who is "huge"...do you mean "naturally huge" like Mike Ashley...I'm all for that type of "huge"?!! But, not a huge 300 lb. drug-FREAK like RC!!
Uhhh sorry,...the "trulyhuge interview" is closer to the TRUTH than anything published in the lyin'/deceiving BB mags/rags since that '97 interview!
Gee Disgusted, why don't you ask your "pro. BB buddies" to publish their actual contest prep. drug-cycles, instead of the LYIN' CRAP they publish in the BB mags.! In other words, how they, instead, got in their "pre-contest" condition with the aid of some worthless food supplement, SOLELY...to mislead/deceive, and fleece $$$, from gullible readers!
Oh, and don't forget, how about these pro. BB drug-FREAKS publishing their medical histories...i.e. blood pressure...blood profiles, etc., as well??!
I've met mike Ashely I have spoken to him about steroids. He was surprisingly VERY knowledgable about them. Go figure. I know what the pros take and seen a few of their cycles. This is a tuff issue to debate since some of them really do take a lot less than others. No I'm not saying that any of the pros take a couple of cc's a week of winny and a few tabs of orals. I know some who take a little over a gram a week and I know some guys who go as high as 4 and don't compete. You gotta understand that no one wants to admit to using illegal drugs so some chose to not ever talk about it and I think that this is very smart.
Others claim to be natural or next to it when they are obviously more than rec users of small amounts. This I have a problem with. Better to not speak at all than to lie about it and give the average 16 year old reason to think he can be like the pros if he lifts hard and eats right. There is a limit to how big one can get without steroids. A lot of guys think that the pros just take massive amounts of drugs and lift easy. Maybe some do but there are a lot more that are totally committed to every aspect of training and diet.
It's not easy to eat 6 clean meals a day when your friends are eating burgers. It's not easy to go to the gym and train when your so frickin hungry you want to eat your shoelaces or practice your posing when all you want to do is sleep. A lot of natural guys (not meaning you) criticize the pros when they has zero clue what it feels like to diet down to 3% bf. They come into a show looking like shit and blame it on the fact that "if I took steroids I would look like a pro too" They mistakingly believe that steroids are a magic pill that makes you huge and ripped. WRONG. Diet makes you ripped not drugs. Plenty of natural guys get ripped, it's all a matter of diet. Walk a mile in their shoes and you will quickly realize it's not all drugs.
On the issue of endorsments, how many kids have gone out and bought a pair of $150 Nikes thinking that they will be a pro basketball player just because some hotshot pro player endorses them? This is life Richard. No pro ball player is going to pass up millions of $ in endorsement $ so why blame any of the bodybuilders who do the same? Would you pass up a million $ contract to say that Icey Hot made your shoulder feel better if it really didn't? No need to answer that one.
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Lots of anger and envy I sens here Richie. First off, Lee or any other Pro is no god or idol to me but as a fan of the sport they have my respect in what they have accomplished true years of dedication to training, dieting. I could care less about what Lee or any other person use in the drug department. What you do is up to yourself and yourself only. I just don´t get why everyone has to flame on people that succeed drugs or no drugs. Hey Richie with all that anger I bet your bloodpressure is probably higher then the guys on sause.
Peace
Jake
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Lots of anger and envy I sens here Richie. First off, Lee or any other Pro is no god or idol to me but as a fan of the sport they have my respect in what they have accomplished true years of dedication to training, dieting. I could care less about what Lee or any other person use in the drug department. What you do is up to yourself and yourself only. I just don´t get why everyone has to flame on people that succeed drugs or no drugs. Hey Richie with all that anger I bet your bloodpressure is probably higher then the guys on sause.
Peace
Jake
Jake, yes I have anger! Anger over a bodybuilding "industry"...mag. publishers, contest promoters, contestants, etc., that have turned a CLEAN-living, rigorous-exercise-regimen based lifestyle [that was promoted by iron-game/healthy-living pioneers/writers like George Jowett, Earle Liedermann, Bernarr McFadden, Mark Berry, Peary Rader, Bob Hoffman (unfortunately, the lifestyle Bob promoted...not lived...as I knew Bob and had several long talks with him and his philosophies on exercise/diet as an aspiring, young, Olympic weightlifter), and Jack Lalanne] into a lifestyle /"sport", that is fueled by illegal, dangerous, BB drugs, and drug-dealing, along with BB mags. that are filled with lies to deceive and fleece the general public.
Envy??? What a misnomer!! Words like "pity" and "disgust" are much more accurate adjectives! BELIEVE ME Jake, I wouldn't trade places with any of these pro. BB chemical monsters for all of the money and BB "fame" in the world!!! To me, long-term health and longevity are the REAL, very precious, goals of intelligent weight-training and the BB "lifestyle"!!!
But Jake, I wish none of these competitive pro. BBers (and wannabees) any ill-will...I'll merely pray for their well-being and try, in my small way, on a public forum to advise others (some who are apparently unawares) of the monstrous lies and deceit promulgated by the BB "industry".
However, if my (and others) posts on forums like these can influence just ONE individual to re-think the dangerous drug-route to BB progress, and, instead, embrace the all-natural, slower, more permanent, and “infinitely” more healthy and safer approach to BB progress, then all of these efforts will have been worthwhile…despite the incessant flaming and name-calling!
Jake, one parting shot! Granted, that one can possibly understand competitive pro. BBers (and wannabees) taking BB drugs in their efforts to compete on an “even playing field”! But, how about the legions upon legions of strictly recreational, non-competing, BBers who take similar BB drugs?! Talk about “not playing with a full deck” and playing "Russian Roulette" with your precious health and lifespan…this is the height of STUPIDITY!!!
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I've met mike Ashely I have spoken to him about steroids. He was surprisingly VERY knowledgable about them. Go figure. I know what the pros take and seen a few of their cycles. This is a tuff issue to debate since some of them really do take a lot less than others. No I'm not saying that any of the pros take a couple of cc's a week of winny and a few tabs of orals. I know some who take a little over a gram a week and I know some guys who go as high as 4 and don't compete. You gotta understand that no one wants to admit to using illegal drugs so some chose to not ever talk about it and I think that this is very smart.
Others claim to be natural or next to it when they are obviously more than rec users of small amounts. This I have a problem with. Better to not speak at all than to lie about it and give the average 16 year old reason to think he can be like the pros if he lifts hard and eats right. There is a limit to how big one can get without steroids. A lot of guys think that the pros just take massive amounts of drugs and lift easy. Maybe some do but there are a lot more that are totally committed to every aspect of training and diet.
It's not easy to eat 6 clean meals a day when your friends are eating burgers. It's not easy to go to the gym and train when your so frickin hungry you want to eat your shoelaces or practice your posing when all you want to do is sleep. A lot of natural guys (not meaning you) criticize the pros when they has zero clue what it feels like to diet down to 3% bf. They come into a show looking like shit and blame it on the fact that "if I took steroids I would look like a pro too" They mistakingly believe that steroids are a magic pill that makes you huge and ripped. WRONG. Diet makes you ripped not drugs. Plenty of natural guys get ripped, it's all a matter of diet. Walk a mile in their shoes and you will quickly realize it's not all drugs.
On the issue of endorsments, how many kids have gone out and bought a pair of $150 Nikes thinking that they will be a pro basketball player just because some hotshot pro player endorses them? This is life Richard. No pro ball player is going to pass up millions of $ in endorsement $ so why blame any of the bodybuilders who do the same? Would you pass up a million $ contract to say that Icey Hot made your shoulder feel better if it really didn't? No need to answer that one.
Disgusted, obviously you are very well informed on the subject!
Since the BB “industry” is so ensconced in layer-upon-layer of lies and deliberate misinformation…often with fears of prosecution for violation of illegal drug laws if one comes “clean”…who knows who to believe?! Wouldn’t lie-detector tests, IWF-standard drug-testing, and an examination of medical histories of pro. BBers be revealing…talk about a “shocker”?!
Disgusted, in my competitive days I did enter/compete in a few local/ regional BB (“physique”) contests, and of course, dieted and trained, naturally, specifically for said contests. All I’m saying is I do have some idea of what is involved…from PERSONAL experience! Yes, the dieting required to prep. for these contests is truly one of the ultimate tests of self-discipline! In the area of dieting, I am also reminded of my intercollegiate wrestling days when I had to try and reduce from approx. 200 lbs. to the 177 lb. weight-class (in 3-4 weeks!), while trying maintain my strength and stamina.
It used to be said that there were the “three S’s of the super physique”…size, shape, and separation! The only thing that the BB drugs have REALLY done is affect the “size” factor. In my youth, a 19-20” inch arm and a 250 lb. bwt. were “huge”…now, that is practically nothing! Of course, separation/definition/vascularity are mainly influenced by diet…however, I understand that BB drugs can influence this factor significantly (e.g. diuretics) as well(?). “Shape” of the muscle seems to be solely genetic-based.
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The few bodybuilders that I do know who get blood work done are fine, but these guys are not doing any kind of serious rec. drugs. Social dinking once in a while as far as I am concerned is no biggy. There a lot of people not just bodybuilders who take all kinds of stuff and I'm sure they are not too healthy. The problem is that when a bodybuilder who is using say Coke for example has a problem it is immediately blamed on steroids.
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maybe lee should have used test ... then he might have developed decent pecs and a back!
test is the alpha male hormone.... and your upper body is the alpha male showpiece!
ya should have pinned some , lee.... you might have swelled a little there ... you know what i mean!!
Yeah,
Who cares if he has the freakiest arms in the industry? Just focus on his weak bodyparts instead. I mean, after all, that's why Jay keeps losing the Olympia title to Coleman, right? Because instead of focusing on his legs, they look at his weak points - his chest, arms, waist, back, and distended stomach.
::) ::) ::)
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you can tell who they are.
And very easily at that with the exception of the "white guy". You posted it to be Dennis Newman. I can see it now. Thanks, Lee. 8)
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maybe lee should have used test ... then he might have developed decent pecs and a back!
test is the alpha male hormone.... and your upper body is the alpha male showpiece!
ya should have pinned some , lee.... you might have swelled a little there ... you know what i mean!!
Pretty sure the only way steroids work is by either mimicking testosterone, or being broken down into testosterone.
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The few bodybuilders that I do know who get blood work done are fine, but these guys are not doing any kind of serious rec. drugs. Social dinking once in a while as far as I am concerned is no biggy. There a lot of people not just bodybuilders who take all kinds of stuff and I'm sure they are not too healthy. The problem is that when a bodybuilder who is using say Coke for example has a problem it is immediately blamed on steroids.
I agree.
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im actually surprised i havent heard of these tapes before, and that not more people have copies. there's thousands of posts about steroids of the pro's, what they take etc and here we have CONFIRMED that pros, including ronnie coleman, actually talks about what they use on video, and at least for lee and paul dillett CONFIRMED to be accurate dosages. that's pretty much unheard of before.
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::) What do you guys expect these pros to do....give an interview in FLEX and confess in print to commiting a Felony???Yeah we all know drugs are a part of pro BBing...but so is hard training and sacrifice...These guys would be doing nothing more than telling the younger guys who look up to them that the Only thing they need to do to look like that,is to take a boatload of gear...Sure they endorse the suplements...but they gota pay their bills just like the rest of us.If the IFBB won't give em what they deserve for their hard work, which everyone knows they don't, then why fault them for the suplement ads ?
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Well said that is so true.Nobody want to do the foundation work anymore.
i agree so true i mean i am not ruling out ever doing the odd course but i havent up to now. I am 31 and still making gains at what age do you reckon that stops or u reckon if you train and eat good you can make natural gains into your late 30's / early 40's?? Lee when you retire you reckon you would train clean year round?
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Jake, yes I have anger! Anger over a bodybuilding "industry"...mag. publishers, contest promoters, contestants, etc., that have turned a CLEAN-living, rigorous-exercise-regimen based lifestyle [that was promoted by iron-game/healthy-living pioneers/writers like George Jowett, Earle Liedermann, Bernarr McFadden, Mark Berry, Peary Rader, Bob Hoffman (unfortunately, the lifestyle Bob promoted...not lived...as I knew Bob and had several long talks with him and his philosophies on exercise/diet as an aspiring, young, Olympic weightlifter), and Jack Lalanne] into a lifestyle /"sport", that is fueled by illegal, dangerous, BB drugs, and drug-dealing, along with BB mags. that are filled with lies to deceive and fleece the general public.
Envy??? What a misnomer!! Words like "pity" and "disgust" are much more accurate adjectives! BELIEVE ME Jake, I wouldn't trade places with any of these pro. BB chemical monsters for all of the money and BB "fame" in the world!!! To me, long-term health and longevity are the REAL, very precious, goals of intelligent weight-training and the BB "lifestyle"!!!
But Jake, I wish none of these competitive pro. BBers (and wannabees) any ill-will...I'll merely pray for their well-being and try, in my small way, on a public forum to advise others (some who are apparently unawares) of the monstrous lies and deceit promulgated by the BB "industry".
However, if my (and others) posts on forums like these can influence just ONE individual to re-think the dangerous drug-route to BB progress, and, instead, embrace the all-natural, slower, more permanent, and “infinitely” more healthy and safer approach to BB progress, then all of these efforts will have been worthwhile…despite the incessant flaming and name-calling!
Jake, one parting shot! Granted, that one can possibly understand competitive pro. BBers (and wannabees) taking BB drugs in their efforts to compete on an “even playing field”! But, how about the legions upon legions of strictly recreational, non-competing, BBers who take similar BB drugs?! Talk about “not playing with a full deck” and playing "Russian Roulette" with your precious health and lifespan…this is the height of STUPIDITY!!!
I find it humorous that you attempt to discredit bodybuilders who juice while attacking them in the process with countless labels, then for you own sake attempt to defend the sport by stating you pray for bodybuilders who use gear.
Honestly, you took one beginner cycle that Lee Priest used, Deca, and turned it into a propaganda post where you accused him of lieing to the entire industry, you "created" a supplement ad saying he's been natural his whole life, then you proceeded to personally attack him on get big's message forums.
I think there's more insecurity on your part than true disdain for the industry. If you were truly satisfied with natural powerlifting than you wouldn't feel the need to go after Lee Priest nor make up stories about supplement ads.
The sport bodybuilding involves building your body with weights, with or without certain chemicals. I think you should spend more time educating the very "mainstream" people you have such disdain for rather than attacking bodybuilders on message boards.
It's unfortunate that you put yourself on a such a high banister because you created a natural base, ignoring the majority of bodybuilders who do the same. All of a sudden your a more worthwhile person and you have the right to make up supplement ads and attack ifbb pros.
Honestly, you won't get very far on this board by pushing propaganda.
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Yeah,
Who cares if he has the freakiest arms in the industry? Just focus on his weak bodyparts instead. I mean, after all, that's why Jay keeps losing the Olympia title to Coleman, right? Because instead of focusing on his legs, they look at his weak points - his chest, arms, waist, back, and distended stomach. ::) ::) ::)
Jay doesn't have a weak chest or arms. And judging by his last showing, his back isn't weak either. You are a retard sir.
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Don't know if it was discussed before, but it looks good. Will come out in december or so on mesormophosis.com.
Steroid Secrets of Pro Bodybuilders Revealed (VHS)
Retail Price: $150.00
Our Price: $69.00
Tom Platz interviews Lee Priest and five other professional bodybuilders to finally blow the lid off the secrets of professional steroid use! Tom has seen it all, done everything there is to be done, won almost all the important titles. And he loves this sport... so much that he wanted to help "blow the lid" off the secrecy around steroids and drugs.
Tom (and each of the pro's you're about to hear from) have friends who have suffered serious "accidents" due to athletic drug use. Everyone knows the top bodybuilders are using various bodybuilding drugs - it has been impossible to compete without drugs in any major contest for nearly thirty years now. (Arnold Schwartzenegger would be blown off the stage today, too "small" to compete with today's athletes... but not because the human race has suddenly gotten bigger. It's because of better drugs, and better medical info among the top guys.) But because of the rumors, misinformation and outright lies about drugs in the sport today, amateurs and young bodybuilders are misinformed about how these drugs are actually used.
Tom knows all the top bodybuilders. He set up the astonishing interviews you are about to see. (Yes, we videotaped the entire interviews, uncut and uncensored.) He went to his Rolodex and called the top six professionals he knew. Only one turned him down. Lee Priest and five others immediately said yes. They would do it because Tom asked them to.
You have to understand what these guys are risking here. They all come from the very TOP of the pro bodybuilding hierarchy. They earn good livings from competing, from getting product endorsements, and from being featured in the magazines. Many of them have families to support, and none of them could ever make this kind of money in any other career.
At the level they compete at, even the most fabulous diet and training and genetics will get you no higher than fourth place... unless you have your drugs "dialed in" precisely. So they are giving away the most important secrets they have for winning competitions at the highest level... and you can bet their opponents are paying attention. What's more, they could be legally vulnerable for admitting to what is often illegal abuse of controlled drugs. They could be banned from competition. They could lose their endorsement contracts. Even worse, they will be easy targets for the tabloid media, who will brand them "steroid freaks".
Yet, even knowing these risks, six of the top-ranked bodybuilders in the sport today agreed to go on camera with Tom and tell all.
On these videotapes, each guy sits alone with Tom Platz for the most intense interview of their life - so you get the exact story of each separate bodybuilder, without interruption.
Lee Priest courageously insisted on appearing without "cover" - the other five, understandably, requested that their faces and voices be masked slightly. No one wanted to ruin these guys' reputations, so we agreed. You can see their bodies plainly... the most ripped and huge bodies in the sport. Only their identities have been digitally altered. But that doesn't matter - it's what these guys revealed that's important.
There are five (5) hour-long tapes in this package, plus a transcription book of each individual interview (so you will never miss a single word of what's being said).
This makes no fucking sense. If they are still competing, why would they reveal their secrets, knowing that the competition will be reading? In their place, I would feed fake intel, so as to confuse the competition and continue winning. This is what Arnie did with his competitors, from the 70's:give them bad advice, so as to confuse them. I think this video is bullshit. Only a retired pro would even dare to reveal his secrets.
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ADVICES! not advice.
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maybe lee should have used test ... then he might have developed decent pecs and a back!
I think that just might have clinched it as the single most ingnorant statement in the history of this subject on any BB board!
www.darksidebodybuilding .com
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Wow the vid looks pretty interesting! expensive though :(
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Criminals? Have you ever taken asprin or tylenol..then you've taken drugs. The government and their pharmaceutical lobbiest decide what is and what is not illegal. If grown men want to take a synthetic form of naturally occuring hormones then so be it. Back in 1912 I lifted 315lbs. over my head twice...so fucking what..nobody knows who you are you never accomplished shit. Talking about your dick size...your what 70yrs. old I'm sure you have to take viagra to even get a fucking erection...drug user...criminal...who the fuck are you. Settle down before your old ass has a stroke. People like you try to use "being natual" as an excuse for never amounting to shit! If you hate this sport and the pro's so much go play bridge with the rest of the people at the nursing home and quit posting shit like this on a site that is dedicated to something you obviously hate. I rarely even post on here but I had to add my two cents after reading this pathetic post....some old ass man trying to diss Lee...fuck off grandpa
Gee gollies, not all us scathing critics of illegal BB drug-using, drug-bloated, “dead-man-walking”, pro. BBers, like your idol/god Lee Priest, are such “fucckin’ losers”!
Actually, as purely a “nobody”…i.e. as an ALL-NATURAL “recreational” BBer, to whom BB was/IS just a mere lifetime hobby, I managed to develop 19” arms (slightly larger than 12”), a 52” chest, and a 32” waist at a bwt. of 210 lbs. in my youth. Oh, uhhhh, dick size 8”…not 2”!!
But then, that was in my late teens to early 20’s…now, four looonnng decades later, I still have 17” arms, 48” chest, and a 36” waist with a six-pack evident, at 190 lb. bwt.!
Gosh, four decades, why, why, that’s approximately as long as drug-bloated pro. BB FREAKS like Lee Priest actually LIVE!!! But hell, what’s such ridiculous goals as “health and longevity”, when you can have “BB glory”, instead...yes, BB glory at ALL costs!!
I mean, way, way, back when I was a mere ALL-NATURAL Olympic weightlifting national champion teenager, I clean and jerked (C&J) OFFICIALLY 340 lbs. at a bwt. of only 183 lbs…why, that was approx. 1.86X bwt…why, why, your drug-bloated pro. BB god/FREAK Lee, at approx. 260 lbs., would have to do 483 lbs. in the C&J to match my 340 lb./183 lb ratio…a 483 lb. weight I am SURE Lee could NOT manage in the C&J!
However, not using just ratio comparisons, my official best C&J was 157 lbs. over my 183 lb. bwt…so, on this basis, drug-bloated, pro. BB freak, Lee would have to lift 157 lbs. in the C&J over his estimated bwt. of 260 lbs…i.e. 417 lbs.! I still doubt, even with all of his drug-bloated strength advantage, Lee could accomplish this comparable feat of ATHLETIC POWER!
And, I’m just a NOBODY…just another of the LEGIONS upon LEGIONS of ALL-NATURAL weight-trainers (a.k.a. “recreational” BBers) who are simply sick and tired of the EVIL STIGMA unfairly/unjustly placed upon us by the general public, and the media, who stereotype us as ‘ROID FREAKS, just like Lee and his illegal drug-using, lying/deceiving, pro. BB drug-FREAK/criminals!
We all-natural BBers are disgusted with having to try and explain to a disbelieving public, “over and over again”, that we built our superior physiques, NATURALLY, WITHOUT ‘roids. But, thanks to Lee, and his evil pro. BB ilk, no-one believes us!
No, I sure as hell wouldn’t exchange my nearly seven decades of a super-healthy, happy, life on this earth, fathering five children, and a very satisfying career, for all of the very evanescent "pro. BB glory" in the world!!! Seven decades on this earth, why hell, that is approximately three decades LONGER than most drug-freak pro. BBers actually live!
Hey Jake, maybe you could get your “god” Lee to publish his detailed illegal pro. BB drug-cycles and his medical history(??!)…i.e. sort of along the lines of what that very courageous, anonymous (of course!), competitive pro. BBer did in his interview posted at the URL…
http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
But then, if Lee did so, he would actually have tell the TRUTH for a change!??? TRUTH in pro. BB…why, why, about as much of a chance of TRUTH in pro. BB as a SNOWBALL IN HELL!!
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I want the secret revealed from a top bodybuilder titled
HOW I HAD TO SUCK COCK OF OLD MEN TO PAY FOR MY STEROIDS WHEN I WAS AN UP AND COMER TO THE SPORT!
Or HOW I CONFISCATED STEROIDS AND RAMMED THEM IN MY OWN ASS by Ronnie Coleman/Officer Ronnie Coleman
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Sorry to bump an old ass thread but i was just wondering if anybody had found a torrent for these movies yet.
I don't think I've owned a VHS player in like 7 years, so there's no point considering buying them unless they come out on dvd.
Also, question to Lee: Do you experience the much talked about "deca dick" when on or do you take anything to combat it? Do you never take test (I'm sure you've answered this a million times but if you're reading this i might as well ask anyways) or do you occasionally run low doses (300mg/week)?
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I think that just might have clinched it as the single most ingnorant statement in the history of this subject on any BB board!
www.darksidebodybuilding .com
Bahahahahahahaha! Yes what a braindead twunt! His mother probably wipes the druel from his mouth while he feverishly types away on his daddy's laptop!
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I've competed naturally for 8 years and am just now looking at crossing over, after laying a foundation. I've never seen the point in being critical of either sauced or natural guys. The competitive realm is a level playing field. Knowing which yard to play in is the best way to see where you stand. I'll never be where I want to be ultimately, but keeping a humble attitude and being willing to work hard, w/ or w/o juice is the real way to achieve your goals... Anybody got a connection to get a prescription? Put me in coach, I'm ready to play!
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come on people just shut up.steroids are a part of bodybuilding and its in the blood and veins of all pro bodybuilders both males and females..so why all the contraversy????.there is nothing wrong with taking roids when you are competing at the mr olympia level..if they gave me a chance to compete at the olympia level i won't hesitate to take roids.its part of the game people..no point debating
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I've competed naturally for 8 years and am just now looking at crossing over, after laying a foundation. I've never seen the point in being critical of either sauced or natural guys. The competitive realm is a level playing field. Knowing which yard to play in is the best way to see where you stand. I'll never be where I want to be ultimately, but keeping a humble attitude and being willing to work hard, w/ or w/o juice is the real way to achieve your goals... Anybody got a connection to get a prescription? Put me in coach, I'm ready to play!
You look like a fed...
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If the Video's are six years old they are six years out of date.
Yesterdays info.
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You look like a fed...
Exactly.... It's almost screaming it.
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"natural crusaders"
lol ;D
haha---like all the panzee asses in the mr getbig that pushed out all the real bodybuilders
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http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
But then, if Lee did so, he would actually have tell the TRUTH for a change!??? TRUTH in pro. BB…why, why, about as much of a chance of TRUTH in pro. BB as a SNOWBALL IN HELL!!
that perfect that site has the blue kwips like 'best of roid built' and 'Real champions like Haney, Yates, Swarzeneger, Oliva and all the others, trained brutally hard!'-- although steroids wernt illegal before 1991 but ----all hail to the 'natural crusaders'
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I've competed naturally for 8 years and am just now looking at crossing over, after laying a foundation. I've never seen the point in being critical of either sauced or natural guys. The competitive realm is a level playing field. Knowing which yard to play in is the best way to see where you stand. I'll never be where I want to be ultimately, but keeping a humble attitude and being willing to work hard, w/ or w/o juice is the real way to achieve your goals... Anybody got a connection to get a prescription? Put me in coach, I'm ready to play!
Bahahahahahahahaha! Dumber than 50lbs of cheese! Gayer than a hugs not drugs campaign!
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hey didnt you guys know? Lee got himself up to something like 280lbs in the off season by eating a few chicken breasts and taking 200mg of deca and 200mg of primo? of course, lee has never copped anywhere to the insane amount of GH and insulin he probably used. lets see, most guys on this board probably use somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000+ mgs per week of gear, most of us probably more. and most of those people actually eat correctly and train with some major intensity. but never reach 280lbs. but lee did it at a height of 5 ft 4 and on minimal drugs. sure. i believe that.
the few pros i have talked to in my life, and it hasnt been many, probably i think only 4 in the last decade. all have told me that GH is a major part of their routine. 8iu's per day was the lowest level i was ever told. a baseline of 2000mgs a week of test was a constant. generally fina of some sort was in there as a favorite. one guy told me he took 4000mgs a week of EQ because it made him eat even more and he loved the vascularity. dbol was another favorite. 100-200mgs per day. and anadrol 50, 2 per day for bursts of a few weeks at a time was also very popular.
i know a national competitor who uses in excess of 8000mgs a week, all put together, or gear. no matter what way you cut it, that is expensive and dangerous as hell if not monitored.
this all thread is a joke,,,but this specific post is the closest,,out of this all joke of a thread,, to reality. (its very exagerated as in doses but it is the closest out of all the other posts)
any proffesional or top amatuer bodybuilder knows his hormones very very well. any one of us can sit next to you and elaborate for hours about how each individual product works,,and what we like better and why (including timing,,doses,,combos,,breaks,,and brands we prefer and why)
we also know what to get,,,you wont find us playing with bathroom products.
we are EXPERTS,, infact each and every one of us knows more about hormones than any MD out there
the abusers,,that cant think,,are usually out of the game within 5-10 years period,, due to them not being able to use their brain right. the ones who do use it are growing old like the rest of you.
again i refer you to chris,,take a good look at him,,,priest is a very good builder,,but he will end up 5'4 and 170-180 (only reason he will even be 180lb is due to years upon years of bodybuilding) when it all ends. he might well be at the 200lb chubb boy zone but you wont see no 220-230lb of decent looking priest when hes out of the game for good.
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I want the secret revealed from a top bodybuilder titled
HOW I HAD TO SUCK COCK OF OLD MEN TO PAY FOR MY STEROIDS WHEN I WAS AN UP AND COMER TO THE SPORT!
Disturbing that you wanna know that secret. :-\
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Don't know if it was discussed before, but it looks good. Will come out in december or so on mesormophosis.com.
Steroid Secrets of Pro Bodybuilders Revealed (VHS)
Retail Price: $150.00
Our Price: $69.00
Tom Platz interviews Lee Priest and five other professional bodybuilders to finally blow the lid off the secrets of professional steroid use! Tom has seen it all, done everything there is to be done, won almost all the important titles. And he loves this sport... so much that he wanted to help "blow the lid" off the secrecy around steroids and drugs.
Tom (and each of the pro's you're about to hear from) have friends who have suffered serious "accidents" due to athletic drug use. Everyone knows the top bodybuilders are using various bodybuilding drugs - it has been impossible to compete without drugs in any major contest for nearly thirty years now. (Arnold Schwartzenegger would be blown off the stage today, too "small" to compete with today's athletes... but not because the human race has suddenly gotten bigger. It's because of better drugs, and better medical info among the top guys.) But because of the rumors, misinformation and outright lies about drugs in the sport today, amateurs and young bodybuilders are misinformed about how these drugs are actually used.
Tom knows all the top bodybuilders. He set up the astonishing interviews you are about to see. (Yes, we videotaped the entire interviews, uncut and uncensored.) He went to his Rolodex and called the top six professionals he knew. Only one turned him down. Lee Priest and five others immediately said yes. They would do it because Tom asked them to.
You have to understand what these guys are risking here. They all come from the very TOP of the pro bodybuilding hierarchy. They earn good livings from competing, from getting product endorsements, and from being featured in the magazines. Many of them have families to support, and none of them could ever make this kind of money in any other career.
At the level they compete at, even the most fabulous diet and training and genetics will get you no higher than fourth place... unless you
have your drugs "dialed in" precisely. So they are giving away the most important secrets they have for winning competitions at the highest level... and you can bet their opponents are paying attention. What's more, they could be legally vulnerable for admitting to what is often illegal abuse of controlled drugs. They could be banned from competition. They could lose their endorsement contracts. Even worse, they will be easy targets for the tabloid media, who will brand them "steroid freaks".
Yet, even knowing these risks, six of the top-ranked bodybuilders in the sport today agreed to go on camera with Tom and tell all.
On these videotapes, each guy sits alone with Tom Platz for the most intense interview of their life - so you get the exact story of each separate bodybuilder, without interruption.
Lee Priest courageously insisted on appearing without "cover" - the other five, understandably, requested that their faces and voices be masked slightly. No one wanted to ruin these guys' reputations, so we agreed. You can see their bodies plainly... the most ripped and huge bodies in the sport. Only their identities have been digitally altered. But that doesn't matter - it's what these guys revealed that's important.
There are five (5) hour-long tapes in this package, plus a transcription book of each individual interview (so you will never miss a single word of what's being said).
Can anyone help to find the web site that I can buy this???????
Thank you.
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http://otsdirect.com/pages/secrets_revealed.html
I would call the 1-800 number first before making an order with a credit card.
Could be out of date. Good Luck!
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Wow the vid looks pretty interesting! expensive though :(
Yeah, but it's worth it. Fortunately for me, I got it right before they discontinued it. The transcript is a real treat!
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Who cares what anybody takes, you can take the same thing and wont get the same response. I don't see whats with all the comparisons all the time with 70's guys and todays guys. They used tons in the 70's because they didn't think it could hurt you. It would be just like us taking met-rx today and gaining 10 pounds on 1 scoop a week. Well if we take 2 scoops a weeks maybe we'll gain 20 and so on. Back in the day Don Ross was taking 500 mgs of D-bol a day and wasn't even one of the bigger guys. Bottom line everybody's has to find what works for them and use don't abuse. If you do abuse no one else should care because its your body and your choice.
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I got it when it first came out about 4 years ago. It was good. Ronnie, Dennis Newman, Lee, Aaron Baker, Paul Dillet and Chris Corimer. Don't know how truthfull they were, not that I doubted anyone.
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If I had the choice between bumping a 2 year old thread and posting a new one.
I reckon I'd bump the 2 year old thread.
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if the vid is discontinued, does anyone got a torrent for it?
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is it available anywhere?
or the transcript?
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is it available anywhere?
or the transcript?
I'd pay just for the transcripts, I don't have a VCR anymore.
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I have to agree that steroids users makes bbing NOT mainstream.
Same goes for all other sports. But they are not open about their usage and are "clean" on paper.
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The Tapes were done about 6 years ago.But you can tell who they are.And evryone on there was very honest in what they used.
I have the tapes lee and tell who everyone is. 1) ronnie coleman 2) Aaron baker 3) craig titus 4) chris cormier 5) you 6) paul dillet.
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bump for 2 year old thread
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I have the tapes lee and tell who everyone is. 1) ronnie coleman 2) Aaron baker 3) craig titus 4) chris cormier 5) you 6) paul dillet.
It's not Craig Titus, it's Dennis Newman. I also have the tapes.
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What does Ronnie say??
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I'm sooooooooooooooooo surprise that no one has any idea about this tape. It's really important one.
I can not beleive there is no torrent or YouTube for this tape.
Who has this tape? Is it really important to have it? We need more information about it.
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It's not Craig Titus, it's Dennis Newman. I also have the tapes.
My fault it is Dennis Newman. I know a guy that sells them on dvd for $20.00
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any proffesional or top amatuer bodybuilder knows his hormones very very well. any one of us can sit next to you and elaborate for hours about how each individual product works,,and what we like better and why (including timing,,doses,,combos,,breaks,,and brands we prefer and why)
this post make me beileve you are not who/ what you want everyone to think you are.
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My fault it is Dennis Newman. I know a guy that sells them on dvd for $20.00
you could make some cash selling it to the getbig'ers on the steriod board
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..just called the number. The tapes are still available, on VHS only. Plus a book. You gotta ask for the PLATZ-77 code product, the woman on the phone couldn't find it so she asked a supervisor who found it in about 10 seconds. I always wondered about these tapes...wonder if it's worth getting?
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..just called the number. The tapes are still available, on VHS only. Plus a book. You gotta ask for the PLATZ-77 code product, the woman on the phone couldn't find it so she asked a supervisor who found it in about 10 seconds. I always wondered about these tapes...wonder if it's worth getting?
i'm sorry. what number?
i'm very interested in obtaining this video or a transcript of it... please help if you can.
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I'll transcribe it this weekend if I have time.
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I'll transcribe it this weekend if I have time.
I thought that you were in the field this week..shouldn't you be spending more time with your woman?
can she cook "good" food?
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I'll transcribe it this weekend if I have time.
Did you ever get around to transcribing it Wiggs? I've always been interested to hear what was said on this video.
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My fault it is Dennis Newman. I know a guy that sells them on dvd for $20.00
Link to his contact info? I wouldn't mind dropping $20 on them.
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Link to his contact info? I wouldn't mind dropping $20 on them.
Where can inquiring minds find this DVD/VHS?
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There are no secrets, you idiot. Just takes tones of it, without cycling, while having a full medical staff checking your health, regularly.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Correct, that is what pros do, except for this last bit.
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Correct, that is what pros do, except for this last bit.
Have you see the aforementioned VHS, Matt C?
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maybe gh15 can send us a copy of the vhs... :D
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I'll transcribe it this weekend if I have time.
Let me guess: You had no time? :D
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Someone buy a vcr to dvd converter. Ask Ron for the funds and upload that! For the love of god.
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Is it worth buying? Bueller? Bueller?
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Platz tries to make money doing anything. From his 120 dollar dvds to selling his old workout clothes and his olympia medals. What a sad case.
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Platz tries to make money doing anything. From his 120 dollar dvds to selling his old workout clothes and his olympia medals. What a sad case.
hes approaching Nasser status.
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pollux and wiggs have these tapes.
pollux posted the dennis newman cycle, and promised to type the ronnie cycle, but he never did :'(
can wiggs or pollux tell us once and for all what was said :-*
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hes approaching Nasser status.
both as bad as each other, only difference is Tom's wife probably beats the shit out of him as opposed to Nasser beating up his woman
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both as bad as each other, only difference is Tom's wife probably beats the shit out of him as opposed to Nasser beating up his woman
haha can you imagine that? ;D
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Was this video up at youtube at one time?
Would be curious to see that.
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Necro, but for those who haven't watched this, do so before they remove it. The full five hours is here. It's funny how obvious it is who the 'secret pros' are. At the time it was released, I bet this would have done a lot of good towards informing younger guys just what it's all about. I don't even care about this stuff anymore, and after watching this, realized why pros don't want to talk: it's fucking boring :D
Anyways, enjoy if you haven't watched. I really thought what Ronnie, Cormier and Mike had to say. And Lee.
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paul dillette in there too
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So Ronnie saying he was on gear for just 12 weeks out of the year?
C'mon.
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Ronnie's is the hardest to make sense out of, even with Tom asking the right questions. That was one of the original critiques of this video series...most watching thought these guys were still lying. Considering the state of pro BBing when this was made, it was a pretty gutsy move for these guys. Lots of big name players. As far as dosages, I have no reason to question them, but this has gotta be the closest thing that you'll ever get to hearing these pros talk about drugs.
The more I watched, the more I realised why pro BBing is in the shape it is now, even back then. 12 weeks of prep, doing two shows a year, you're on gear half the year. Timing the shows and staying somewhat healthy by having a clean off cycle is almost impossible, hence the 'no off season' that some of these guys say.
Why they'd tell the truth in one part but lie in another is a bit odd. Listening to Ronnie, the detail he goes into what he did and when, you can just tell he's telling the truth. But he's not giving away potential secrets that would give away his edge. I can't remember when this was made, but I don't think he was Mr O at the time.
The common thread is to beware of insulin and diuretics. Makes sense. The rest of it, the details, are inconsequential. The take away from this whole series should be "here's what you can expect if you decide to go pro". Frankly, I can't see why anybody would go for that. And looking at the current scene, you can see the answer: not many. Listening to the details about the drugs, you just say to yourself, "no thanks".
It's also interesting to see how much they disagree on things. Interesting watch, on a bunch of levels. I wish I could have watched it back then. Tom Platz should be commended for this series.
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Ronnie's is the hardest to make sense out of, even with Tom asking the right questions. That was one of the original critiques of this video series...most watching thought these guys were still lying. Considering the state of pro BBing when this was made, it was a pretty gutsy move for these guys. Lots of big name players. As far as dosages, I have no reason to question them, but this has gotta be the closest thing that you'll ever get to hearing these pros talk about drugs.
The more I watched, the more I realised why pro BBing is in the shape it is now, even back then. 12 weeks of prep, doing two shows a year, you're on gear half the year. Timing the shows and staying somewhat healthy by having a clean off cycle is almost impossible, hence the 'no off season' that some of these guys say.
Why they'd tell the truth in one part but lie in another is a bit odd. Listening to Ronnie, the detail he goes into what he did and when, you can just tell he's telling the truth. But he's not giving away potential secrets that would give away his edge. I can't remember when this was made, but I don't think he was Mr O at the time.
The common thread is to beware of insulin and diuretics. Makes sense. The rest of it, the details, are inconsequential. The take away from this whole series should be "here's what you can expect if you decide to go pro". Frankly, I can't see why anybody would go for that. And looking at the current scene, you can see the answer: not many. Listening to the details about the drugs, you just say to yourself, "no thanks".
It's also interesting to see how much they disagree on things. Interesting watch, on a bunch of levels. I wish I could have watched it back then. Tom Platz should be commended for this series.
what you need to keep in mind is platz starts off saying he's concerned about the way things are going and that he's seen a bunch of his colleagues die recently. There's also a common theme with the interviews which is "more is not better" dorian says the same thing. that said, I don't know how ronnie can spend 15k on prep for 2cc's of gear a week...it's not computing... ???
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Necro, but for those who haven't watched this, do so before they remove it. The full five hours is here. It's funny how obvious it is who the 'secret pros' are. At the time it was released, I bet this would have done a lot of good towards informing younger guys just what it's all about. I don't even care about this stuff anymore, and after watching this, realized why pros don't want to talk: it's fucking boring :D
Anyways, enjoy if you haven't watched. I really thought what Ronnie, Cormier and Mike had to say. And Lee.
Aaron Baker was one.
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Ronnie's info was confusing. Remember the money was back in the late 90s, which is when I think this was made. Maybe Growth was more expensive then, who knows. Maybe he's including his food bill. Who knows.
I think these are the guys: Ronnie, Aaron Baker, Chris Cormier, Matarazzo, Priest, Dillett. That's quite the roster of people willing to talk.