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White House to respond after 70,000 demand secession of Texas from US
Published: 13 November, 2012, 21:52
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Houston, we have a problem: more than 70,000 people have signed a petition on the website of the White House asking for Texas to secede from the United States.
Less than a day after RT first reported that a petition demanding the secession of The Lone Star State from the US was on track to cross the 25,000 signature threshold to warrant an official response, the tally of people requesting the speedy removal of Texas from the United States tripled, going from 21,777 signees to 72,861 in under 24 hours.
The Texas petition was published on the White House’s official website on November 9, but wasn’t the first to ask for secession. While the request from the oil-rich home of the Alamo was published just two days after Pres. Obama was declared victorious in his quest for re-election, Louisiana was the first state to ask for an exit from the union on WhiteHouse.gov, just hours after ballots were tallied on Nov. 6. By the end of that weekend, Texas and 18 other locales had created copycat petitions of their own, although the Lone Star State is by and large the first to cross the 25,000 signature threshold.
According to the rules on WhiteHous.gov, now either US President Barack Obama or a member of his administration or staff will be required to address the overwhelming number of votes to “Peacefully grant the State of Texas to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”
The next step, according to a guide posted on the executive office’s website, will be a full review followed by a response.
From WhiteHouse.gov:
“The White House will convene a regular meeting with representatives from all of the major policy offices (like the National Economic Council, Domestic Policy Council and others) that will review petitions that have crossed the signature threshold for a response. This group will help determine which policy office in the White House or federal agency should review and respond to petitions and ensure that petition responses are posted as quickly as possible.”
Commenting to the Dallas Morning News on Tuesday, a White House rep says “every petition that crosses the threshold receives a response,” but that the number of other petitions online will impact how long it will take to deliver an answer.
In the original secession request published last week out of Louisiana, the petition’s author, “Michael E” of Sidell, LA, quoted the opening line of the Declaration of Independence, the eighteenth-century proclamation that announced the liberation of the United States from Britain. Citing the sentiments of their forefathers, Michael wrote, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
In the case of Texas, that petition’s author was a bit more specific about grievances that were unimaginable during 1700s. Micah H. of Arlington, TX writes in his state’s petition that “The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending,” adding that “The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights,” citing specifically the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) as catalysts in the erosion of civil liberties. “Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's [sic] citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a one-time contender in this year’s race to become the Republican Party’s presidential nominee, rejected the petition in a statement relayed by his staff Monday afternoon.
“Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it,” Catherine Frazier, a press secretary for the governor, told the Dallas Morning News. “But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. Now more than ever our country needs strong leadership from states like Texas, that are making tough decisions to live within their means, keep taxes low and provide opportunities to job creators so their citizens can provide for their families and prosper. We cannot allow Washington’s tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children’s future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government.”
As of Tuesday afternoon, Florida is slated to be the next state to cross the 25,000 signature threshold, falling just shy of 3,000 votes needed to warrant a response. Since all petitions on WhiteHouse.gov have 30 days to cross that mark, though, the Sunshine State and more than a dozen others are likely to receive a reply from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the coming weeks.
Another petition asking President Obama to “Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them” has so far received 1,754 signatures.
http://rt.com/usa/news/white-house-texas-secede-612/
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This country is heading to balkanizing anyway, so this is expected.
Half want communism - fine
Lets split the country in two - the communists/socialists/marxistsprogressives on one side
The libertarians conserv atives pro-free market on the other.
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This country is heading to balkanizing anyway, so this is expected.
Half want communism - fine
Lets split the country in two - the communists/socialists/marxistsprogressives on one side
The libertarians conserv atives pro-free market on the other.
Who gets the warm, sandy beachfront properties?
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hilarious and very cool.
It'd be interesting to see if TX did secede... at which point Obama could declare them a rogue nation, invade and nationalize their oil resources in the name of spreading democracy!
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Only two people can decide this: Chuck Norris and Branch Warren.
Chuck Norris will have the final word of course.
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You guys can laugh all you want, but I remember reading something about 20 years ago that basically states that when it comes to succession, TX might be one of the easier states to do it. It was something about how they came into being themselves... something unusual that makes it easy for them to pack up their marbles and leave the US.
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It seems if Arizona and Texas (especially Texas) go "blue" due to increasing numbers of Hispanics, it could really make things difficult for Republicans on a national scale.
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You guys can laugh all you want, but I remember reading something about 20 years ago that basically states that when it comes to succession, TX might be one of the easier states to do it. It was something about how they came into being themselves... something unusual that makes it easy for them to pack up their marbles and leave the US.
Still kind of laughing. So you read something 20 years that basically stated Texas would have an easier time doing it and now that 70,000 OB haters signed a petition you think it can happen? I bet there are approximately 18 million people in Texas old enough to sign a petition. 70K would be .4 percent. One thing i have noticed over the years is that really crazy shit rarely happens. 9/11 was the last time.
But what does happen is we get tons and tons of people predicting crazy shit will happen all the time, doom and gloom, Saturn turning into a sun, particle colliders creating a black hole America falling etc., don't we Jags?
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It seems if Arizona and Texas (especially Texas) go "blue" due to increasing numbers of Hispanics, it could really make things difficult for Republicans on a national scale.
That's for sure. As OB said, you need to learn to speak Spanish.
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Still kind of laughing. So you read something 20 years that basically stated Texas would have an easier time doing it and now that 70,000 OB haters signed a petition you think it can happen? I bet there are approximately 18 million people in Texas old enough to sign a petition. 70K would be .4 percent. One thing i have noticed over the years is that really crazy shit rarely happens. 9/11 was the last time.
But what does happen is we get tons and tons of people predicting crazy shit will happen all the time, doom and gloom, Saturn turning into a sun, particle colliders creating a black hole America falling etc., don't we Jags?
It's not so much that I believe it WILL happen, just that he now has to address it, ...and those who choose to live in Republican fantasies, may decide that succession is a viable option. You'd be surprised how many states have been doing it quietly AND legally through a long convoluted drawn out process with the Hague.
My point is, how many seccession bozos have to go off before it triggers a decisive clamp down and declarations of martial law by authorities?
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That's for sure. As OB said, you need to learn to speak Spanish.
Makes me wonder how many of the supporters of this idea are thinking ahead, and what sort of money could flood toward it.
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It's not so much that I believe it WILL happen, just that he now has to address it, ...and those who choose to live in Republican fantasies, may decide that succession is a viable option. You'd be surprised how many states have been doing it quietly AND legally through a long convoluted drawn out process with the Hague.
My point is, how many seccession bozos have to go off before it triggers a decisive clamp down and declarations of martial law by authorities?
What are you talking about in bold?
As for succession buzzes, they are buzzing because of circumstance, not beucase of any real potential, didn't something similar happen under bush? Isn't it that all they need is 25,000 signatures for the Feds to acknowledge it?
It's just a selective fanning of flames. Anything for a story that people will talk about.
You see 5'million signatures in a state like Texas, and massive rallys and marches then you might have something to look at.nn
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Makes me wonder how many of the supporters of this idea are thinking ahead, and what sort of money could flood toward it.
Don't know, we already waste enough money pandering to people who refuse to learn the language.
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It's not so much that I believe it WILL happen, just that he now has to address it, ...and those who choose to live in Republican fantasies, may decide that succession is a viable option. You'd be surprised how many states have been doing it quietly AND legally through a long convoluted drawn out process with the Hague.
My point is, how many seccession bozos have to go off before it triggers a decisive clamp down and declarations of martial law by authorities?
this type of shit has been going on for years even under bush.
Texas cannot leave the union
The reason obama had to respond to Texas is b/c they passed the number of signitures that require the white house to respond to a petition
20 other states have also filed for secession recently
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Texas cannot leave the union
Good to hear. Please reassure us that this is true.
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It seems they could NOT as things are at this moment. Is it impossible for that to be changed?
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More than 30 states have a serious secession movement
Glenn Beck ^ | 11.13.2012 | Glenn Beck
Posted on Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:32:38 PM by Morgana
The White House website contains a section dedicated to letting the people’s voice be heard. Got an idea for a petition? Got enough signatures? The White House promises it will “be reviewed” and that they will “issue a response” to it. Should be interesting to see how the White House responds to the thirty plus states who have garnered enough signatures to secede from the United States.
“Can I ask you a quick question? Who thinks it’s a good idea to put your name on a petition secede from the United States of America and give it to President Obama?” Glenn said on radio this morning.
According to TheBlaze, over thirty states have petitions for secession submitted to White House with over one thousand signatures each. The Texas petition alone has over 40,000. According to WhiteHouse.gov, petitions with over 25,000 signatures are supposed to receive the attention of the President.
“So after the election, what did people start doing? In 27 states, people started to ask for a peaceful secession from the United States of America. Now how do you think that’s going to work out?” Glenn wondered. “You’re putting your name on a list that goes directly to the White House and you’re putting your name on a list and say ‘Yep, I believe we should secede. I believe there should be a civil war.’ That’s really smart.”
“It says peacefully in it, Glenn. Really, isn’t it just to make a statement,” Stu said.
“Yes, it is. Do you think these people don’t forget who made a statement to them? Are you out of your mind.”
(Excerpt) Read more at glennbeck.com ...
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.4% of the (over 18) population of a state is NOT serious.
Empty calories for the less informed.
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I'd probably be fine with letting a state secede if the request for secession didn't come right after an election. That's not how democracy works. You don't get to exempt yourself from the results of a vote simple because you don't like them.
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Who can qqualify for secession anyways? Can a city secede? How about a family? An individual? Seriously if you think about it these are real questions about the philosophical implications of government of democracy amdbof the legitimacy of self rule whether at the individual or state or global level
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Petitions to Secede From US Explode, Now Exceed 675,000; Texas Approaches 100k
Pundit Press ^ | 11/14/12 | Aurelius
Posted on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:33:52 AM by rightistight
Every single state in the union has created a petition to secede from the United States in the aftermath of President Obama's reelection.
Already, in a mere week, seven states have exceeded 25,000 each, which triggers an automatic review from the White House (or so they've promised). Those states are Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.
At the time of writing, Texas has already garnered an incredible 97,083 signatures. In fact, over a thousand had signed the petition in the time it took to write this article.
Texas's petition reads:
The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.
Combined, across the nation the number of signatures has exceeded 675,000 and it rapidly growing.
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so what? That's 1/10 of 1 percent of Americans. I'm sure 1 in 1000 Americans are batshite crazy too.
Glen beck loves the topic for conversation!
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so what? That's 1/10 of 1 percent of Americans. I'm sure 1 in 1000 Americans are batshite crazy too.
Glen beck loves the topic for conversation!
So what indeed? The Dems were doing similar stuff in 2004. Claiming you're going to secede because your party lost is rather silly.
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OzmO and all, I wish it was as cut & dry and as non-viable an option as you all
wish claim it to be. Having a bunch of signatures on a petition isn't enough, even if those signatures consisted of 999.9 % of the entire population in the state.
There is a way to do it legally, & formally through the World Courts, and many states have long since started that process during the Bush years.
The question is not whether they can do it. It can, has been, and is being done everyday.
The question is, ...will the Federal Government accept it, and if not, will that lead to another civil war?
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OzmO and all, I wish it was as cut & dry and as non-viable an option as you all wish claim it to be. Having a bunch of signatures on a petition isn't enough, even if those signatures consisted of 999.9 % of the entire population in the state.
There is a way to do it legally, & formally through the World Courts, and many states have long since started that process during the Bush years.
The question is not whether they can do it. It can, has been, and is being done everyday.
The question is, ...will the Federal Government accept it, and if not, will that lead to another civil war?
show us.
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This country is heading to balkanizing anyway, so this is expected.
Half want communism - fine
Lets split the country in two - the communists/socialists/marxistsprogressives on one side
The libertarians conserv atives pro-free market on the other.
Awesome idea.
(this from an email)
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Dear Red States:
We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics, and we've
decided we're leaving.
We in the Blue States intend to form our own country.
In case you aren't aware, that includes New York, California, Hawaii,
Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of
the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the
people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Cory Booker, Tim Kaine and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and
Todd Akin.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Princeton. You get Ol' Miss.
We get 85% of America's venture capital and entrepre-neurs. You get Texas.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay
their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22% lower than the Christian
Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single
moms.
With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the
country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of
the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve
French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90% of the high tech
industry, most of the US low sulphur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and
condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford,
Cal Tech, The University of California, and MIT.
With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans
and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100%
of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists,
virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson, and the University of Alabama
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Thirty-eight percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually
swallowed by a whale; 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the
death penalty or gun laws; 44% say that evolution is only a theory;, 53%
that Saddam was involved in 9/11; and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you
are people with higher morals then we lefties.
We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.
Sincerely,
Citizens of the Enlightened States of America
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Awesome idea.
(this from an email)
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Dear Red States:
We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics, and we've
decided we're leaving.
We in the Blue States intend to form our own country.
In case you aren't aware, that includes New York, California, Hawaii,
Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of
the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the
people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Cory Booker, Tim Kaine and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and
Todd Akin.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Princeton. You get Ol' Miss.
We get 85% of America's venture capital and entrepre-neurs. You get Texas.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay
their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22% lower than the Christian
Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single
moms.
With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the
country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of
the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve
French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90% of the high tech
industry, most of the US low sulphur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and
condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford,
Cal Tech, The University of California, and MIT.
With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans
and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100%
of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists,
virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson, and the University of Alabama
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Thirty-eight percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually
swallowed by a whale; 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the
death penalty or gun laws; 44% say that evolution is only a theory;, 53%
that Saddam was involved in 9/11; and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you
are people with higher morals then we lefties.
We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.
Sincerely,
Citizens of the Enlightened States of America
ROTFLOL! I LIKE IT!!! ;D
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That would be even funnier, if it wasn't so accurate.
So many people have been looking at this Presidential race as a battle between Black & White, ...and they are absolutely terrified about the election outcome potentially means in their warped little minds.
How do you assure these guys that Obama is not going to have White people out in the fields picking cotton?