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Two interesting new studies have come out during this election season, which might have liberals and conservatives at odds more than ever. Last year, a study done at Brock University suggested that a lower I.Q. goes hand in hand with both racism and conservative beliefs. The findings are published in Psychological Science and the study is entitled “Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact.” Essentially, the study examines the impact of cognitive ability on social attitudes like prejudice and conservatism. The authors predicted that a lower cognitive ability, as measured by the subject’s intelligence quotient or I.Q., would lead to greater social prejudice in adulthood. The authors also hypothesized beforehand that the social prejudice would lead the subjects to endorse “right-wing ideologies”, namely “social conservatism” and “right-wing authoritarianism.”
Turns out, the authors were right on all counts. In the U.K., people with lower I.Q.’s in childhood were accurately predicted to be racists in adulthood and were also generally politically conservative. A second set of data from the U.S. found that people with lower cognitive abilities possessed more homophobic sentiments. Interestingly, the results were controlled for education and socioeconomic status, making the results applicable to a wider spectrum of people. The authors wound up suggesting “a heightened focus on cognitive ability in research on prejudice and a better integration of cognitive ability into prejudice models.”
The lead author, Dr. Gordon Hodson, believes that the results are cyclical: people with lower I.Q.’s tend to be more prejudiced, which leads them more readily toward conservatism, which is resistant to change, which eventually, leads to more prejudice. Another recent study gives us an idea of why these results might be so: ProCon.org assembled a list of 13 different peer-reviewed studies which conclude that liberals and conservatives might not just have different talking points, they actually have different brains.
Each of the studies examined different elements of dissimilarity between liberals and conservatives and had interesting results. Democrats, it seems, have a greater tolerance for uncertainty have because of their larger anterior cingulate cortexes, and Republicans are more sensitive to fear, because of their larger right amygdalas. Psychiatrist Greg Appelbaum also found that conservatives are more likely to avoid individual self-harm, while liberals are more likely to avoid collective group harm. The researchers said it was important to keep in mind that it might not be that a person’s predisposition to certain neurological markers leads to their political affiliation and in fact, it may be a “chicken or the egg issue”, where a person’s political affiliation can actually change their physiological traits.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11/19/are-liberals-smarter-study-indicates-the-answer-is-yes/
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Republicans would be nowhere without the stupid vote.
Not saying there aren't dumb democrats, but republicans rely heavily on the uninformed.
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countdown to reply from:
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they will offer a rebuttal to the 'study'.
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Here's the thing -
We can put 20 people in a room.
Ten of them will be rachel maddow, George soros, and 8 other highly educated/wealthy people who are liberals.
Then of them can be average people, let's choose florida high school dropouts. Grab em out of the trailer park even, I'll pick em up myself. They aren't "smart" by IQ test standards, but they all have Romney/Ryan signs in their yard.
Only a fool would argue the 2nd group of dropouts is "smarter" - However, one CAN argue the 1st group is misguided, lack common sense, are in denial, etc. But "smart", no, statistically, those with higher IQ vote more left - that's not something we can argue, it's been shown over and over. I think one thing taught in college is "profit from the hard work of others" - in my MBA program, they didn't teach me to dig ditches, they taught me to organize a firm to profit from others digging ditches - does that make sense? They TEACH you do try to do less work for more money in college - and that's a lot of what obama promises... Repubs might not have the same book smarts, but hand them a shovel and perhaps their work ethic is much higher, who knows.
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The poor dumb whites in this country who now break for the republicans used to vote heavily Democrat before the implementation of the southern strategy and union busting dismantled the United States manufacturing base.
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No the people who believes earth was created 2000 years ago, that believes you cant get pregnant from rape, that believed Romney would win in a landslide etc etc is the smart ones.
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The poor dumb whites in this country who now break for the republicans used to vote heavily Democrat before the implementation of the southern strategy and union busting dismantled the United States manufacturing base.
This is a great, and largely forgotten, point.
To any academic student of politics, this is a given. Even those on the right are not arguing it.
However, it just goes to show the revisionist history that is allowed to propagate in the bubble that people have, by and large, forgotten this.
I get so tired of uneducated people not knowing this, that I've almost entirely given up the fight. McWay, for one, simply refuses to believe it.
I even told a family member, on FB, and he claimed that it was some conspiracy. It's disappointing, to say the least.
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This is a great, and largely forgotten, point.
To any academic student of politics, this is a given. Even those on the right are not arguing it.
Apparently, you haven't seen Ann Coulter's book, "Mugged', for example
Liberals have accounted for Democratic losses in the southeast to what has become known as the GOP’s “southern strategy.” Conservative author Ann Coulter debunks the “southern strategy” excuse in her new book “Mugged.”
The single most important piece of evidence for the Republicans’ alleged southern strategy is President Johnson’s statement, after signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, tat “we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.” That self-serving quote is cited by liberals with more solemnity than Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death.”
Johnson’s statement is of questionable provenance. The sole source for the quote is LBJ assistant Bill Moyers, whose other work for the president included hunting for gays on Barry Goldwater’s staff and monitoring the FBI’s bugs on Martin Luther King’s hotel room, then distributing the tapes to select members of the Johnson administration and the press. If this were my case-in-chief for an important point, I’d want better sourcing than a sanctimonious liberal fraud.
A source for information about LBJ who is not a partisan hack, dirty trickster and MLK-adultery publicist is Robert M. MacMillan, Air Force One steward during the Johnson administration. Macmillan reports that when LBJ was flying on Air Force One with two governors once, he boasted, “I’ll have them n*****s voting Democratic for two hundred years.”
Coulter goes on to show that LBJ continually rejected civil rights bills proposed by only Republicans and it was not until 1964, when Johnson finally signed the civil rights act with very little help from his fellow Democrats in Congress. Even after the passage of the civil rights act, Democrats continued to win elections in former segregationist states all the way through the election of George H.W. Bush despite the folklore of the GOP “southern strategy.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/8/picket-coulter-shreds-southern-strategy-myth-gop-s/#ixzz2Cn2WDvsT
However, it just goes to show the revisionist history that is allowed to propagate in the bubble that people have, by and large, forgotten this.
I get so tired of uneducated people not knowing this, that I've almost entirely given up the fight. McWay, for one, simply refuses to believe it.
I even told a family member, on FB, and he claimed that it was some conspiracy. It's disappointing, to say the least.
I refuse to believe it, because the evidence there shows such isn't the case. The last time we talked about this, I gave at least two specific examples: Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr: Two card-carrying members of the Klan who were Dems until the day they died, the former eulogized by Bill Clinton, who tried to explain away Byrd's Klan afiillation as simply being a political necessity.
But, don't take my word for it:
As a result of unrelenting efforts by Democrats to shift their racist past onto the backs of Republicans, using the mantra: "the parties switched sides", a lot of people have requested an article addressing this issue.
It does not make sense to believe that racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party, especially after Republicans spent nearly 150 years fighting for black civil rights. In fact, the racist Democrats declared they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
From the time of its inception in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has always been the party of freedom and equality for blacks. As author Michael Scheuer wrote, the Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands.
An alarming view of what America will be like in a few years due to unbridled socialism being pushed by President Barack Obama and his Democratic Party cohorts, is contained in the article: "Detroit: The Moral of the Story" by Kevin D. Williamson that is posted on the Internet.
Democrats first used brutality and discriminatory laws to stop blacks from voting for Republicans. Democrats now use deception and government handouts to keep blacks from voting for Republicans. In his book, "Dreams From My Father," Obama described what he and other Democrats do to poor blacks as "plantation politics."
The racist Democrats of the 1950's and 1960's that Republicans were fighting died Democrats. One racist Democrat who survived until 2010 was US Senator Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Notably, the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats in 1866 and became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for the purpose of terrorizing and lynching Republicans—black and white. Byrd became a prominent leader in the Democrat-controlled Congress where he was honored by his fellow Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate."
Byrd was a fierce opponent of desegregating the military and complained in one letter: "I would rather die a thousand times and see old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen of the wilds."
Democrats denounced US Senator Trent Lott for his remarks about US Senator Strom Thurmond. However, there was silence when Democrat US Senator Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been "a great senator for any moment." Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and, after he became a Republican, Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats.
While turning a blind eye to how the Democratic Party embraced Byrd until his death, Democrats regularly lambaste the Republican Party about David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
Ignored are the facts that the Republican Party never embraced Duke and when he ran for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1992, Republican Party officials tried to block his participation. Hypocritical is the word for how Democrats also ignore Duke's long participation in the Democratic Party with no efforts by Democrats to block him. Below is Duke's political history in Louisiana, which has an open primary system.
Duke ran for Louisiana State Senator as a Democrat in 1975. He ran again for the Louisiana State Senate in 1979 as a Democrat. In 1988, he made a bid for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Then, on election day in 1988, he had himself listed on the presidential ballot as an "Independent Populist." After his unbroken string of losses as a Democrat and an Independent Populist, Duke decided to describe himself as a Republican, then ran the following races where he lost every time: in 1989 he ran for Louisiana State Representative; in 1990, he ran for US Senator; in 1991 he ran for Governor of Louisiana; in 1992 he ran for president; in 1996 he ran for US Senator; and in 1999 he ran for US Representative.
Contrary to popular belief, President Lyndon Johnson did not predict a racist exodus to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party because of Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Omitted from the Democrats' rewritten history is what Johnson actually meant by his prediction.
Johnson feared that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States Rights Democratic Party. In fact, Alabama's Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Governor Lester Maddox.
Behind closed doors, Johnson said: "These Negroes, they're getting uppity these days. That's a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don't move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there'll be no way to stop them. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
Little known by many today is the fact that it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Johnson, who pushed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In fact, Dirksen was instrumental to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964, 1965 and 1968. Dirksen wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
Democrats condemn Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called "Southern Strategy." These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, while deriding Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party.
The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.
http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html
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Yet, 63% of voters without a high school diploma went for Obama in 2008 and 64% in 2012. Besides, there are college degrees and there are college degrees.
In addition, those who made less than $50,000 a year went solidly for Obama; Those who made $50,000 or more went for Romney.
Hmmm.....that might explain why the big push to get people on food stamps and to keep funding failing public schools, which hurt minorities the most.
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Y Besides, there are college degrees and there are college degrees.
Expand on this please
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Expand on this please
In other words, there are degrees in liberal arts and there are degrees in engineering.
There are degrees in English and there are degrees in nursing.
To put it succintly, there's a difference between getting a degree in something that's practically worthless and getting a degree, in a field where you can actually do such things as feed yourself, clothe yourself, and put a roof over your head.
Without that breakdown, simply having a college degree doesn't tell the whole story.
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In other words, there are degrees in liberal arts and there are degrees in engineering.
There are degrees in English and there are degrees in nursing.
To put it succintly, there's a difference between getting a degree in something that's practically worthless and getting a degree, in a field where you can actually do such things as feed yourself, clothe yourself, and put a roof over your head.
Without that breakdown, simply having a college degree doesn't tell the whole story.
So something like a History degree would have no practical purpose?
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So something like a History degree would have no practical purpose?
It could, as a teacher or a museum curator.
If you're into the Civil War and live in Virginia, you could clean up.
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In other words, there are degrees in liberal arts and there are degrees in engineering.
There are degrees in English and there are degrees in nursing.
To put it succintly, there's a difference between getting a degree in something that's practically worthless and getting a degree, in a field where you can actually do such things as feed yourself, clothe yourself, and put a roof over your head.
Without that breakdown, simply having a college degree doesn't tell the whole story.
this is accurate for earning potential, however, a degree is still a higher form of education and I expect most who earn one to have sharpened their critical thinking skills.
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this is accurate for earning potential, however, a degree is still a higher form of education and I expect most who earn one to have sharpened their critical thinking skills.
It's as I ask certain college kids, If the landlord put an eviction notice on your door but you don't see it, will your stuff still be on the street?"
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i am smarter than all of you
i would have voted for obama
i would also pass a law to exterminate all republicans
have a nice day
american'ts
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i am smarter than all of you
i would have voted for obama
i would also pass a law to exterminate all republicans
have a nice day
american'ts
You da man.
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One of the most ridiculous things I've read on the board. Lots of smart and dumb liberals. Lots of smart and dumb conservatives. Nobody has a monopoly on stupid.
But I will say conservatives I've encountered tend to be more informed than liberals. Certainly not always the case, but that's the trend I've seen.
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One of the most ridiculous things I've read on the board. Lots of smart and dumb liberals. Lots of smart and dumb conservatives. Nobody has a monopoly on stupid.
But I will say conservatives I've encountered tend to be more informed than liberals. Certainly not always the case, but that's the trend I've seen.
it's not ridiculous if the study has good methodology. Epidemiological data is sometimes difficult to decipher and find true meaning, but you have to understand that it's pretty clear that the more educated one becomes the more likely they are to vote dem and the higher the IQ the more likely they are to vote dem. Study after study, survey after survey. The south is generally stupid, calm down retards, but the south is generally the lowest of lows in terms of overall education and intelligence levels.
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it's not ridiculous if the study has good methodology. Epidemiological data is sometimes difficult to decipher and find true meaning, but you have to understand that it's pretty clear that the more educated one becomes the more likely they are to vote dem and the higher the IQ the more likely they are to vote dem. Study after study, survey after survey. The south is generally stupid, calm down retards, but the south is generally the lowest of lows in terms of overall education and intelligence levels.
What study? What methodology? Didn't see any specific empirical research in the "article."
I've spent a lot of time in the south. They are not "generally stupid." Absurd.
And no, most intelligent people don't become Democrats. This stuff is laugh out loud funny. :)
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Detroit, all of California....yeah
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Apparently, you haven't seen Ann Coulter's book, "Mugged', for example
Liberals have accounted for Democratic losses in the southeast to what has become known as the GOP’s “southern strategy.” Conservative author Ann Coulter debunks the “southern strategy” excuse in her new book “Mugged.”
The single most important piece of evidence for the Republicans’ alleged southern strategy is President Johnson’s statement, after signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, tat “we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.” That self-serving quote is cited by liberals with more solemnity than Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death.”
Johnson’s statement is of questionable provenance. The sole source for the quote is LBJ assistant Bill Moyers, whose other work for the president included hunting for gays on Barry Goldwater’s staff and monitoring the FBI’s bugs on Martin Luther King’s hotel room, then distributing the tapes to select members of the Johnson administration and the press. If this were my case-in-chief for an important point, I’d want better sourcing than a sanctimonious liberal fraud.
A source for information about LBJ who is not a partisan hack, dirty trickster and MLK-adultery publicist is Robert M. MacMillan, Air Force One steward during the Johnson administration. Macmillan reports that when LBJ was flying on Air Force One with two governors once, he boasted, “I’ll have them n*****s voting Democratic for two hundred years.”
Coulter goes on to show that LBJ continually rejected civil rights bills proposed by only Republicans and it was not until 1964, when Johnson finally signed the civil rights act with very little help from his fellow Democrats in Congress. Even after the passage of the civil rights act, Democrats continued to win elections in former segregationist states all the way through the election of George H.W. Bush despite the folklore of the GOP “southern strategy.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/8/picket-coulter-shreds-southern-strategy-myth-gop-s/#ixzz2Cn2WDvsT
I refuse to believe it, because the evidence there shows such isn't the case. The last time we talked about this, I gave at least two specific examples: Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr: Two card-carrying members of the Klan who were Dems until the day they died, the former eulogized by Bill Clinton, who tried to explain away Byrd's Klan afiillation as simply being a political necessity.
But, don't take my word for it:
As a result of unrelenting efforts by Democrats to shift their racist past onto the backs of Republicans, using the mantra: "the parties switched sides", a lot of people have requested an article addressing this issue.
It does not make sense to believe that racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party, especially after Republicans spent nearly 150 years fighting for black civil rights. In fact, the racist Democrats declared they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
From the time of its inception in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has always been the party of freedom and equality for blacks. As author Michael Scheuer wrote, the Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands.
An alarming view of what America will be like in a few years due to unbridled socialism being pushed by President Barack Obama and his Democratic Party cohorts, is contained in the article: "Detroit: The Moral of the Story" by Kevin D. Williamson that is posted on the Internet.
Democrats first used brutality and discriminatory laws to stop blacks from voting for Republicans. Democrats now use deception and government handouts to keep blacks from voting for Republicans. In his book, "Dreams From My Father," Obama described what he and other Democrats do to poor blacks as "plantation politics."
The racist Democrats of the 1950's and 1960's that Republicans were fighting died Democrats. One racist Democrat who survived until 2010 was US Senator Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Notably, the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats in 1866 and became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for the purpose of terrorizing and lynching Republicans—black and white. Byrd became a prominent leader in the Democrat-controlled Congress where he was honored by his fellow Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate."
Byrd was a fierce opponent of desegregating the military and complained in one letter: "I would rather die a thousand times and see old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen of the wilds."
Democrats denounced US Senator Trent Lott for his remarks about US Senator Strom Thurmond. However, there was silence when Democrat US Senator Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been "a great senator for any moment." Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and, after he became a Republican, Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats.
While turning a blind eye to how the Democratic Party embraced Byrd until his death, Democrats regularly lambaste the Republican Party about David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
Ignored are the facts that the Republican Party never embraced Duke and when he ran for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1992, Republican Party officials tried to block his participation. Hypocritical is the word for how Democrats also ignore Duke's long participation in the Democratic Party with no efforts by Democrats to block him. Below is Duke's political history in Louisiana, which has an open primary system.
Duke ran for Louisiana State Senator as a Democrat in 1975. He ran again for the Louisiana State Senate in 1979 as a Democrat. In 1988, he made a bid for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Then, on election day in 1988, he had himself listed on the presidential ballot as an "Independent Populist." After his unbroken string of losses as a Democrat and an Independent Populist, Duke decided to describe himself as a Republican, then ran the following races where he lost every time: in 1989 he ran for Louisiana State Representative; in 1990, he ran for US Senator; in 1991 he ran for Governor of Louisiana; in 1992 he ran for president; in 1996 he ran for US Senator; and in 1999 he ran for US Representative.
Contrary to popular belief, President Lyndon Johnson did not predict a racist exodus to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party because of Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Omitted from the Democrats' rewritten history is what Johnson actually meant by his prediction.
Johnson feared that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States Rights Democratic Party. In fact, Alabama's Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Governor Lester Maddox.
Behind closed doors, Johnson said: "These Negroes, they're getting uppity these days. That's a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don't move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there'll be no way to stop them. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
Little known by many today is the fact that it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Johnson, who pushed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In fact, Dirksen was instrumental to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964, 1965 and 1968. Dirksen wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
Democrats condemn Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called "Southern Strategy." These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, while deriding Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party.
The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.
http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html
If you want to quote Ann Coulter as a credible source, then that's your business.
But don't expect other people to take you seriously.
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average IQ is basically the same for both groups.
relative personal political ideology is mostly determined by personal experiences.
not by intellect.
conservatives and liberals view the world and government differently. but taking the groups and building averages, intelligence isnt the casuation of liberal or conservative leanings.
in fact i think the more wise you become the more you come to the middle and start to think about government in a more personal manner.
that is to say, it is my personal opinion that a wise man chooses to stay silent on the issue of "what is the best way to govern" - as he realizes that he isnt likely to know the answer to that question (if an answer even exists) - and he bases this sentiment on the fundamental truth of the universe that individuals cant be changed - they have to change themself. and that possessing the freedom to do so is of the upmost importance to the development of that change.
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Apparently, you haven't seen Ann Coulter's book, "Mugged', for example
Liberals have accounted for Democratic losses in the southeast to what has become known as the GOP’s “southern strategy.” Conservative author Ann Coulter debunks the “southern strategy” excuse in her new book “Mugged.”
The single most important piece of evidence for the Republicans’ alleged southern strategy is President Johnson’s statement, after signing the Civil Rights Act of 1964, tat “we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.” That self-serving quote is cited by liberals with more solemnity than Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death.”
Johnson’s statement is of questionable provenance. The sole source for the quote is LBJ assistant Bill Moyers, whose other work for the president included hunting for gays on Barry Goldwater’s staff and monitoring the FBI’s bugs on Martin Luther King’s hotel room, then distributing the tapes to select members of the Johnson administration and the press. If this were my case-in-chief for an important point, I’d want better sourcing than a sanctimonious liberal fraud.
A source for information about LBJ who is not a partisan hack, dirty trickster and MLK-adultery publicist is Robert M. MacMillan, Air Force One steward during the Johnson administration. Macmillan reports that when LBJ was flying on Air Force One with two governors once, he boasted, “I’ll have them n*****s voting Democratic for two hundred years.”
Coulter goes on to show that LBJ continually rejected civil rights bills proposed by only Republicans and it was not until 1964, when Johnson finally signed the civil rights act with very little help from his fellow Democrats in Congress. Even after the passage of the civil rights act, Democrats continued to win elections in former segregationist states all the way through the election of George H.W. Bush despite the folklore of the GOP “southern strategy.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/8/picket-coulter-shreds-southern-strategy-myth-gop-s/#ixzz2Cn2WDvsT
I refuse to believe it, because the evidence there shows such isn't the case. The last time we talked about this, I gave at least two specific examples: Robert Byrd and Al Gore, Sr: Two card-carrying members of the Klan who were Dems until the day they died, the former eulogized by Bill Clinton, who tried to explain away Byrd's Klan afiillation as simply being a political necessity.
But, don't take my word for it:
As a result of unrelenting efforts by Democrats to shift their racist past onto the backs of Republicans, using the mantra: "the parties switched sides", a lot of people have requested an article addressing this issue.
It does not make sense to believe that racist Democrats suddenly rushed into the Republican Party, especially after Republicans spent nearly 150 years fighting for black civil rights. In fact, the racist Democrats declared they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
From the time of its inception in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, the Republican Party has always been the party of freedom and equality for blacks. As author Michael Scheuer wrote, the Democratic Party is the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism. Democrats have been running black communities for the past 50+ years, and the socialist policies of the Democrats have turned those communities into economic and social wastelands.
An alarming view of what America will be like in a few years due to unbridled socialism being pushed by President Barack Obama and his Democratic Party cohorts, is contained in the article: "Detroit: The Moral of the Story" by Kevin D. Williamson that is posted on the Internet.
Democrats first used brutality and discriminatory laws to stop blacks from voting for Republicans. Democrats now use deception and government handouts to keep blacks from voting for Republicans. In his book, "Dreams From My Father," Obama described what he and other Democrats do to poor blacks as "plantation politics."
The racist Democrats of the 1950's and 1960's that Republicans were fighting died Democrats. One racist Democrat who survived until 2010 was US Senator Robert Byrd, a former recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan. Notably, the Ku Klux Klan was started by Democrats in 1866 and became the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party for the purpose of terrorizing and lynching Republicans—black and white. Byrd became a prominent leader in the Democrat-controlled Congress where he was honored by his fellow Democrats as the "conscience of the Senate."
Byrd was a fierce opponent of desegregating the military and complained in one letter: "I would rather die a thousand times and see old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen of the wilds."
Democrats denounced US Senator Trent Lott for his remarks about US Senator Strom Thurmond. However, there was silence when Democrat US Senator Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been "a great senator for any moment." Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and, after he became a Republican, Thurmond defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats.
While turning a blind eye to how the Democratic Party embraced Byrd until his death, Democrats regularly lambaste the Republican Party about David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
Ignored are the facts that the Republican Party never embraced Duke and when he ran for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 1992, Republican Party officials tried to block his participation. Hypocritical is the word for how Democrats also ignore Duke's long participation in the Democratic Party with no efforts by Democrats to block him. Below is Duke's political history in Louisiana, which has an open primary system.
Duke ran for Louisiana State Senator as a Democrat in 1975. He ran again for the Louisiana State Senate in 1979 as a Democrat. In 1988, he made a bid for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination. Then, on election day in 1988, he had himself listed on the presidential ballot as an "Independent Populist." After his unbroken string of losses as a Democrat and an Independent Populist, Duke decided to describe himself as a Republican, then ran the following races where he lost every time: in 1989 he ran for Louisiana State Representative; in 1990, he ran for US Senator; in 1991 he ran for Governor of Louisiana; in 1992 he ran for president; in 1996 he ran for US Senator; and in 1999 he ran for US Representative.
Contrary to popular belief, President Lyndon Johnson did not predict a racist exodus to the Republican Party from the Democratic Party because of Johnson's support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Omitted from the Democrats' rewritten history is what Johnson actually meant by his prediction.
Johnson feared that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States Rights Democratic Party. In fact, Alabama's Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Governor Lester Maddox.
Behind closed doors, Johnson said: "These Negroes, they're getting uppity these days. That's a problem for us, since they got something now they never had before. The political pull to back up their upityness. Now, we've got to do something about this. We've got to give them a little something. Just enough to quiet them down, but not enough to make a difference. If we don't move at all, their allies will line up against us. And there'll be no way to stop them. It'll be Reconstruction all over again."
Little known by many today is the fact that it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Johnson, who pushed through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. In fact, Dirksen was instrumental to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964, 1965 and 1968. Dirksen wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
Democrats condemn Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called "Southern Strategy." These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, while deriding Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party.
The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.
http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2012/06/republicans-and-democrats-did-not.html
Do you see Ann Coulter as a credible source Mcway?
You now she is full of shit right?
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What study? What methodology? Didn't see any specific empirical research in the "article."
I've spent a lot of time in the south. They are not "generally stupid." Absurd.
And no, most intelligent people don't become Democrats. This stuff is laugh out loud funny. :)
Actually you have just inforced what the study says.
You are a conservative and when presented with data that suggest people are less educated in the south and vote republican you use your own experience( i have spent a lot of time in the south...) as data.
Its called making up your own facts and is not based in science but in your mind.
Kind of like how repub could not see the loss in the election because their minds told them something else.
This blind disregard for facts is what makes the republicans a laughing point now.
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Actually you fucking retard, he's questioning the study. So people in the South are stupid...so you've talked to every southern Republican? No chance in hell this study is fucked up...the case is closed right? Just because dems want to crush businesses, back insane and suicidal immigration policies, pander to minority groups who bring nothing...NOTHING to this country.....want to regulate the country into the ground and despite their supposed grounded scientific and realistic approach to ALL things....can't come up with a workable alternative to fossil fuels and do everything possible to stop the US using its own resources. You guys are the fucking idiots.....
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Actually you fucking retard, he's questioning the study. So people in the South are stupid...so you've talked to every southern Republican? No chance in hell this study is fucked up...the case is closed right? Just because dems want to crush businesses, back insane and suicidal immigration policies, pander to minority groups who bring nothing...NOTHING to this country.....want to regulate the country into the ground and despite their supposed grounded scientific and realistic approach to ALL things....can't come up with a workable alternative to fossil fuels and do everything possible to stop the US using its own resources. You guys are the fucking idiots.....
It wasnt about questioning the study it was about using his own limited experience as facts just like you do.
If you want to impress try making a point based on facts.
Come on you can do it i know its been a long time but use the brain god gave you.
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Actually you fucking retard, he's questioning the study. So people in the South are stupid...so you've talked to every southern Republican? No chance in hell this study is fucked up...the case is closed right? Just because dems want to crush businesses, back insane and suicidal immigration policies, pander to minority groups who bring nothing...NOTHING to this country.....want to regulate the country into the ground and despite their supposed grounded scientific and realistic approach to ALL things....can't come up with a workable alternative to fossil fuels and do everything possible to stop the US using its own resources. You guys are the fucking idiots.....
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It wasnt about questioning the study it was about using his own limited experience as facts just like you do.
If you want to impress try making a point based on facts.
Come on you can do it i know its been a long time but use the brain god gave you.
Limited experience...........dud e.....I suspect I'm substantially better educated...been to more countries and experienced far more then you have ever and will ever experience. Your posts are ridiculous..basically cheerleading lib talking points. What facts do you want....for every article you assholes cut and paste, I can find one that disputes the points, if not the exact article.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/are_libs_smarter.html
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Further...if Cons are so stupid..what exactly has liberalism gotten us. Please enlighten me because I'm at a loss. Oh and don't drag Bush up...he is not now nore ever was a conservative. Look at Reagan if anything. Don't drag the "neocons" in either. Foreign adventurism isn't conservatism. Kicking the shit out of our enemies if forced ala 911 is plenty conservative...you asshole want to understand the enemy, I'd rather put them in bodybags, bomb their shitty countries to rubble and move the fuck out. Neo cons...embraced the whole break it you buy it bullshit that Powel preached. He endorsed barry...enough said on that. You embrace suicidal immigration. Why is is harder for a rocket scientist from India, Norway or the fucking pole, to get in here, then a unskilled borderline retard from mexico. Have you been to South America, do you want that? They have been fucking each other over for 500 years while Western Civ put people on the moon. Now they want to give these people drivers licenses...really. No, they should be put in camps and then deported. The border should be guarded and those crossing over should be shot. Nope...hugs and trophies for everybody. I blame you idiots but I don't dwell on that much. I have a great job...I a wife...dogs...summer house...toys..whatever. Plus I get to sit back and watch your guy, the messiah incorrectly pronounce the names of world leaders, watch as the Middle East melts, the media ignore scandal after scandal...and its all ol barry H O'fuctards fault.
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Limited experience...........dud e.....I suspect I'm substantially better educated...been to more countries and experienced far more then you have ever and will ever experience. Your posts are ridiculous..basically cheerleading lib talking points. What facts do you want....for every article you assholes cut and paste, I can find one that disputes the points, if not the exact article.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/are_libs_smarter.html
You may be better educated but if you dont use it really doesnt matter.
BB's argument was that people in the south is highly intelligent and educated because thats his experience.
I responded that his personel experience isnt facts.
Get it?
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Don't use it...please dude post anything...anything at all thats not either a cut and paste job or regurgitated lib blather. I just laid out while Liberals are fucking idiots...u fell back on a questionable study that both Beach and I feel is bullshit liberal blathering at its finest. You have no response to either. The article I was forced to post goes point counter point to both that study and another one thats also bullshit.
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Don't use it...please dude post anything...anything at all thats not either a cut and paste job or regurgitated lib blather. I just laid out while Liberals are fucking idiots...u fell back on a questionable study that both Beach and I feel is bullshit liberal blathering at its finest. You have no response to either. The article I was forced to post goes point counter point to both that study and another one thats also bullshit.
Can you read?
Try reading my posts then reply
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Further...if Cons are so stupid..what exactly has liberalism gotten us. Please enlighten me because I'm at a loss. Oh and don't drag Bush up...he is not now nore ever was a conservative. Look at Reagan if anything. Don't drag the "neocons" in either. Foreign adventurism isn't conservatism. Kicking the shit out of our enemies if forced ala 911 is plenty conservative...you asshole want to understand the enemy, I'd rather put them in bodybags, bomb their shitty countries to rubble and move the fuck out. Neo cons...embraced the whole break it you buy it bullshit that Powel preached. He endorsed barry...enough said on that. You embrace suicidal immigration. Why is is harder for a rocket scientist from India, Norway or the fucking pole, to get in here, then a unskilled borderline retard from mexico. Have you been to South America, do you want that? They have been fucking each other over for 500 years while Western Civ put people on the moon. Now they want to give these people drivers licenses...really. No, they should be put in camps and then deported. The border should be guarded and those crossing over should be shot. Nope...hugs and trophies for everybody. I blame you idiots but I don't dwell on that much. I have a great job...I a wife...dogs...summer house...toys..whatever. Plus I get to sit back and watch your guy, the messiah incorrectly pronounce the names of world leaders, watch as the Middle East melts, the media ignore scandal after scandal...and its all ol barry H O'fuctards fault.
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Do you see Ann Coulter as a credible source Mcway?
You now she is full of shit right?
i disagree. She accurately predicted if repubs choose mitt, he will lose.
That kind of honesty is rare, and she did wimp out and back down, but she clearly meant it when she said it.
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i disagree. She accurately predicted if repubs choose mitt, he will lose.
That kind of honesty is rare, and she did wimp out and back down, but she clearly meant it when she said it.
Mcway was talking history and used Coulter as source.
Not a very good source on this subject.
But she never liked Romney until her masters told her thats for sure.
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I've spent a lot of time in the south. They are not "generally stupid." Absurd.
I beg to disagree.
I'm in Texas.
We are almost all generally stupid here.
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If you want to quote Ann Coulter as a credible source, then that's your business.
But don't expect other people to take you seriously.
You made the ridiculous claim that nobody on the right questioned the "Southern Strategy".
And, just like last time, when I used specific examples of prominent RACIST Democrats who (contrary to your claims) did NOT turn into Republicans, you clam up like an oyster.
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Since when does actually requiring people to follow our immigration rules to come to this country equated to racism?
As HH6 said, people from Norway, India, China, or even (as with some of my family) from Jamaica have to play by the rules.
But, if you're from Mexico, all you have to do is sneak into this country, not get caught, pop out some babies, and hop on welfare and you're on your way to citizenship.......utterl y ridiculous.
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Since when does actually requiring people to follow our immigration rules to come to this country equated to racism?
As HH6 said, people from Norway, India, China, or even (as with some of my family) from Jamaica have to play by the rules.
But, if you're from Mexico, all you have to do is sneak into this country, not get caught, pop out some babies, and hop on welfare and you're on your way to citizenship.......utterl y ridiculous.
Not to mention that those people from countries who legally immigrate here typically learn the English language while immigrants,illegals from Mexico do not.
They sit in o ur country like handicapped citizens causing schools to teach half the class in Spanish, so much documentation in Spanish, interpreters etc.
Learn English or get out.
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Since when does actually requiring people to follow our immigration rules to come to this country equated to racism?
As HH6 said, people from Norway, India, China, or even (as with some of my family) from Jamaica have to play by the rules.
But, if you're from Mexico, all you have to do is sneak into this country, not get caught, pop out some babies, and hop on welfare and you're on your way to citizenship.......utterl y ridiculous.
Sneak in to the country and not get caught.
Thats a bigger effort than just being lucky enough to be born in the US.
Why do you hate people with drive?
Is it because you never became succesful yourself?
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When the majority of your political party believe in creationism I think its safe to say they aren't very intelligent.
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Sneak in to the country and not get caught.
Thats a bigger effort than just being lucky enough to be born in the US.
Why do you hate people with drive?
Is it because you never became succesful yourself?
What point are you trying to make whork?
Do you advocate people being able to get in this country illegally?
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What point are you trying to make whork?
Do you advocate people being able to get in this country illegally?
My point is the american dream the america Mcway says dem will destroy, is built on immigration.
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Sneak in to the country and not get caught.
Thats a bigger effort than just being lucky enough to be born in the US.
Robbing a bank is a bigger effort, too. That doesn't make it right (I guess that means I don't like people with drive ::) ).
Why do you hate people with drive?
Is it because you never became succesful yourself?
Hardly!!
- I attended a private school with friend and teachers who cared about me.
- I ended up with a full-ride scholarship and got my degree in engineering.
- I've traveled the world.
- I married the girl on whom I had a MAJOR CRUSH in high school (and have been married for over ten years, with four children).
- I've traveled the world.
- I've seen my favorite team win a Super Bowl
- I've attended WrestleMania
- I've competed in a bodybuilding contest
- I've achieved many of my personal bodybuilding goals.
I think it's safe to say that my life has been (by my standards) fairly successful.....so much for your theory.
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My point is the american dream the america Mcway says dem will destroy, is built on immigration.
How is it built on immigration?
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My point is the american dream the america Mcway says dem will destroy, is built on immigration.
Sneaking into the country is NOT immigration.
Applying for citizenship (as my friends and family have) or asking for asylum IS immigration.
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Robbing a bank is a bigger effort, too. That doesn't make it right (I guess that means I don't like people with drive ::) ).
Hardly!!
- I attended a private school with friend and teachers who cared about me.
- I ended up with a full-ride scholarship and got my degree in engineering.
- I've traveled the world.
- I married the girl on whom I had a MAJOR CRUSH in high school (and have been married for over ten years, with four children).
- I've traveled the world.
- I've seen my favorite team win a Super Bowl
- I've attended WrestleMania
- I've competed in a bodybuilding contest
- I've achieved many of my personal bodybuilding goals.
I think it's safe to say that my life has been (by my standards) fairly successful.....so much for your theory.
I agree you seem to have a good life.
Can you blame a mexican for wanting the same thing?
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How is it built on immigration?
Americans are immigrants from all over the world primarily from Europe.
Statue of liberty, "give me your etc etc..."
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I agree you seem to have a good life.
Can you blame a mexican for wanting the same thing?
No.
Wanting something doesn't justify breaking the law to get it.
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No.
Wanting something doesn't justify breaking the law to get it.
So if someone took your life away and you had to break the law to get it back you wouldnt do it?
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Americans are immigrants from all over the world primarily from Europe.
Statue of liberty, "give me your etc etc..."
What percentage of Americans today are immigrants?
America may have been built on immigrants but does that matter now?
And what is your stance on illegal immigration?
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What percentage of Americans today are immigrants?
America may have been built on immigrants but does that matter now?
And what is your stance on illegal immigration?
All but the native indians.
It matters if you are a mexican looker for a better life.
Depends on how illegal immigrants behave.
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All but the native indians.
It matters if you are a mexican looker for a better life.
Depends on how illegal immigrants behave.
Do i understand you right?
Open borders as long as you behave?
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Do i understand you right?
Open borders as long as you behave?
No.
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No.
So what's your stance on illegal immigration?
Are you for letting them in? Or are you for upholding the law?
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So what's your stance on illegal immigration?
Are you for letting them in? Or are you for upholding the law?
Upholding the law.
But i cant blame the illegal immigrant if i were in his shoes i would do the same probably.
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So if someone took your life away and you had to break the law to get it back you wouldnt do it?
To defend mcway here - He would not have known that to be his life if he was born in mexico.
Just like none of us could look at the life of, say, Bush II and say "Yes, it would be worth it to break the law to grow up wealthy, attend yale, have such connections, and become gov and president..."
It just wasn't in the cards for us to grow up a Bush, and it wouldn't be right ot break law to have that. We abide by the laws in place, and the situation, as we were born. MCWAY had a good life, and he was born into a good situation, but not good like being born a Bush.
Now, some kid born in Mexico, he doesn't have the same blessing as MCWAY, and he's not right to break the law to have that life.
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To defend mcway here - He would not have known that to be his life if he was born in mexico.
Just like none of us could look at the life of, say, Bush II and say "Yes, it would be worth it to break the law to grow up wealthy, attend yale, have such connections, and become gov and president..."
It just wasn't in the cards for us to grow up a Bush, and it wouldn't be right ot break law to have that. We abide by the laws in place, and the situation, as we were born. MCWAY had a good life, and he was born into a good situation, but not good like being born a Bush.
Now, some kid born in Mexico, he doesn't have the same blessing as MCWAY, and he's not right to break the law to have that life.
Had a good life? Did I just croak or something?
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If you want to quote Ann Coulter as a credible source, then that's your business.
But don't expect other people to take you seriously.
Yeah McWay. If you want to be taken seriously, you should quote Rachel Madow, the Daily Kos, or just post a bunch of unfunny pictures.
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Actually you have just inforced what the study says.
You are a conservative and when presented with data that suggest people are less educated in the south and vote republican you use your own experience( i have spent a lot of time in the south...) as data.
Its called making up your own facts and is not based in science but in your mind.
Kind of like how repub could not see the loss in the election because their minds told them something else.
This blind disregard for facts is what makes the republicans a laughing point now.
Which specific part of the "article" do you consider reliable "data"?
My personal experience isn't science. It's just my experience. And I probably have a more informed opinion about people in the South than someone who has probably never been or spent time there. Just like someone who has spent time in Montana (one of the few states I haven't been to) would have a more informed opinion about people in Montana than me.
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I beg to disagree.
I'm in Texas.
We are almost all generally stupid here.
I know lots of smart Texans.
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Yeah McWay. If you want to be taken seriously, you should quote Rachel Madow, the Daily Kos, or just post a bunch of unfunny pictures.
Garebear has yet to address my specific points, about those racist Dems (and others) REMAINING DEMS and not becoming Republicans, as he has claimed repeatedly.
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Had a good life? Did I just croak or something?
you know what i mean. You have an awesome life - you were given some early advantages, sorta in the middle of being a Bush, and being born poor in Mexico.
You worked WITHIN THE LAW of your region - and you are kicking some ass at life.
You didn't decide to break the law to have the life of a Bush. Just as the person born on Mexican soil cannot choose to break the law to have the life of a MCWAY.
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Garebear has yet to address my specific points, about those racist Dems (and others) REMAINING DEMS and not becoming Republicans, as he has claimed repeatedly.
Don't hold your breath.
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Yeah McWay. If you want to be taken seriously, you should quote Rachel Madow, the Daily Kos, or just post a bunch of unfunny pictures.
So you would cite Ann Coulter as a source on american history? Come on
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......yet they're too dumb to answer as to why they voted for this fraud.
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Which specific part of the "article" do you consider reliable "data"?
My personal experience isn't science. It's just my experience. And I probably have a more informed opinion about people in the South than someone who has probably never been or spent time there. Just like someone who has spent time in Montana (one of the few states I haven't been to) would have a more informed opinion about people in Montana than me.
Im sorry but if emperic data says people in the south are less educated it doesnt really matter that you have meet some bright people from there.
Remember we are talking statistics not individuals. There are plenty of smart people in the south.
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So you would cite Ann Coulter as a source on american history? Come on
I'd cite almost anyone as a source on American history if their facts were correct.
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Im sorry but if emperic data says people in the south are less educated it doesnt really matter that you have meet some bright people from there.
Remember we are talking statistics not individuals. There are plenty of smart people in the south.
What specific portion of the article cites "emperic data"?
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......yet they're too dumb to answer as to why they voted for this fraud.
his economic policy has the US recovering at the fastest rate in the world, he saved key key industries, has lowered the deficit each year, reversed job loss into a surplus, is reforming health care, captured Bin Laden, passed key health care reform, will attempt to end corporate welfare, changed fuel efficiency standards which I think is very important.
what else,
is a leader wrt green energy which is clearly the future as Petroleum will dissipate. He backed and pushed forward stem cell research which has the potential along with genomics to improve medicine beyond imagination. His response to Sandy was great and he has shown that he can compromise.
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his economic policy has the US recovering at the fastest rate in the world, he saved key key industries, has lowered the deficit each year, reversed job loss into a surplus, is reforming health care, captured Bin Laden, passed key health care reform, will attempt to end corporate welfare, changed fuel efficiency standards which I think is very important.
what else,
is a leader wrt green energy which is clearly the future as Petroleum will dissipate. He backed and pushed forward stem cell research which has the potential along with genomics to improve medicine beyond imagination. His response to Sandy was great and he has shown that he can compromise.
Holy shit?? Are you serious?? Do you live in this country? He's fucked up everything you've listed beyond repair. As for Binladen. stop alrady. he didn't do shit. He did however, get four of our own murdered and still hasn't done anything about it and still blames it on a freaking video that got 300 views on youtube before this happen. Used the dude who wrote the movie as a scape-goat and now has to sit in jail for what? A trumped up probation violation?
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I'd cite almost anyone as a source on American history if their facts were correct.
If the facts are correct it would be easy to find a better source than Ann C.
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What specific portion of the article cites "emperic data"?
I was actually referring to the map with red/blue states posted in this thread. Long day :)
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Holy shit?? Are you serious?? Do you live in this country? He's fucked up everything you've listed beyond repair. As for Binladen. stop alrady. he didn't do shit. He did however, get four of our own murdered and still hasn't done anything about it and still blames it on a freaking video that got 300 views on youtube before this happen. Used the dude who wrote the movie as a scape-goat and now has to sit in jail for what? A trumped up probation violation?
What do you do for a living Deleted One?
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What do you do for a living Deleted One?
Own a small gym.
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Holy shit?? Are you serious?? Do you live in this country? He's fucked up everything you've listed beyond repair. As for Binladen. stop alrady. he didn't do shit. He did however, get four of our own murdered and still hasn't done anything about it and still blames it on a freaking video that got 300 views on youtube before this happen. Used the dude who wrote the movie as a scape-goat and now has to sit in jail for what? A trumped up probation violation?
you don't like facts do you?
look at other countries that suffered a economic hit like the US, Obama's policies, namely the stimulus has increased recovery tremendously. Also, jobs were being lost under bush, not under Obama. Foreign policy is a solid point for Obama, he has made America less of a villan.
He does not blame it on a video.
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Own a small gym.
Cool.
Has something happened in the last 4 years since you say everything has gotten worse?
Thats not what most people think
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Cool.
Has something happened in the last 4 years since you say everything has gotten worse?
Thats not what most people think
Small businesses won't be affected until after Jan 1. But larger corporation's are feeling the effect through regulation. What was worried about wasnt what's going.to happen NOW but later. Jan 1 taxes will go up in 2014 Obamacare kicks in. This is just the fiscal end of.it.
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Garebear has yet to address my specific points, about those racist Dems (and others) REMAINING DEMS and not becoming Republicans, as he has claimed repeatedly.
I'm supposed to address your copy and paste from weirdo blogs and Ann Coulter.
No, that's not how it works around here.
I don't copy and paste the Daily Kos and expect to be taken seriously, neither should you.
Here's some Twitter screenshots from your Republican brothers at around election time.
Luckily, the Republicans aren't racist against you so it makes sense for you to keep voting for them.
http://hellothereracists.tumblr.com/
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I was actually referring to the map with red/blue states posted in this thread. Long day :)
I didn't see the map. What empirical research does the map show?
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Small businesses won't be affected until after Jan 1. But larger corporation's are feeling the effect through regulation. What was worried about wasnt what's going.to happen NOW but later. Jan 1 taxes will go up in 2014 Obamacare kicks in. This is just the fiscal end of.it.
what regulations? what taxes in particular joe?
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I'm supposed to address your copy and paste from weirdo blogs and Ann Coulter.
No, that's not how it works around here.
I don't copy and paste the Daily Kos and expect to be taken seriously, neither should you.
Here's some Twitter screenshots from your Republican brothers at around election time.
Luckily, the Republicans aren't racist against you so it makes sense for you to keep voting for them.
http://hellothereracists.tumblr.com/
I find that I agree with most of your viewpoints, but don't really think Daily Kos is the left wing equivalent of Ann Coulter. Be wary of making false equivalencies.
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I'm supposed to address your copy and paste from weirdo blogs and Ann Coulter.
No, that's not how it works around here.
I don't copy and paste the Daily Kos and expect to be taken seriously, neither should you.
Here's some Twitter screenshots from your Republican brothers at around election time.
Luckily, the Republicans aren't racist against you so it makes sense for you to keep voting for them.
http://hellothereracists.tumblr.com/
I hate to break this to you, Garebear. But, there are racists IN BOTH PARTIES.
But, since there are racist Republicans and because I'm black, I'm obligated to vote for the very party that formed the KKK. ::).
And contrary to your claims, the bulk of those old Klansmen did NOT turn into Republicans. I cited several prominent examples, which you obviously can't refute. Hence, you keep blubbering about Ann Coulter (whom I only cited to refute your claim that nobody on the right disputes this so-called Southern Strategy stuff).
By that cracked logic of yours, you shouldn't be voting Democrat, especially since the biggest demographic of Democrat voters, for whom you keep pining are ALSO the biggest objectors to homosexuality and gay "marriage". In fact, one of your favorite presidents signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law, after it was easily passed, with the help of several Democrats (including the CURRENT VICE-PRESIDENT).
And, let's not even get into all the liberals here (and elsewhere) who've uttered, shall we say, less-than-flattering things about people of your "orientation".
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You can't put lipstick on a pig, Uncle Tom.
You seem to pull it off just fine.
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And, let's not even get into all the liberals here (and elsewhere) who've uttered, shall we say, less-than-flattering things about people of your "orientation".
Garebear is gay? ??? ...since when?
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I told you guys earlier, average intelligence is the same for both groups. Political ideology is shaped by personal experience, not intelligence.
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Garebear is gay? ??? ...since when?
Ask him. In the event that he's not, then I owe him an apology.
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Small businesses won't be affected until after Jan 1. But larger corporation's are feeling the effect through regulation. What was worried about wasnt what's going.to happen NOW but later. Jan 1 taxes will go up in 2014 Obamacare kicks in. This is just the fiscal end of.it.
Then your previous post is just BS
You said things have gone to shit the last 4 years despite everyone thinking otherwise and now you claim the changes havent even taken place yet.
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Ask him. In the event that he's not, then I owe him an apology.
I'm not gay, but I don't take as an insult to be called gay, so no apology is necessary.
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I told you guys earlier, average intelligence is the same for both groups. Political ideology is shaped by personal experience, not intelligence.
republicanism causes a 5% IQ drop for every minute of misplaced trust
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html (http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html)
conservatives defined: homophobes & racists
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Mcway's black....explain that. None of the libs answered the immigration questions raised. We let in unskilled labor....if there were 2000 Mexican laser eye surgery specialists tryimng to get in...then sure let them in. Instead we let in worhless and lazy criminals and immediatly put them on welfare. The brits are doing this and its croaking them.
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I know lots of smart Texans.
so do i.
they're the ones who moved away.
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I'm not gay, but I don't take as an insult to be called gay, so no apology is necessary.
that's funny. I never thought of you as gay and I never would have guessed that Mcway is black.
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I'm not gay, but I don't take as an insult to be called gay, so no apology is necessary.
i'm gay; and don't take as an insult to be called that. just don't call me a GOP Republican. ;D
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what regulations? what taxes in particular joe?
President Barack Obama won re-election Tuesday which means the United States is in the same exact fiscal situation it was in on Monday. We’re staring at $16 trillion in debt, but the more immediate problem comes on January 1 when every family will see a tax increase of $3500 as the Obama-Bush tax cuts expire and when more ObamaCare taxes kick in, better known as taxmaggedon.
First, let’s start with the first tax increase of $3500. This will happen if House Republicans, Senate Democrats and the White House can’t come up with a deal in the next 63 days. Republicans want the tax cuts extended for everyone, Democrats, including President Obama, want tax cuts extended only for those making less than $250,000 per year, which means a huge tax increase for job creators. If they can't come up with a deal and the tax cuts expire for everyone, it will be the largest tax hike in American history.
From ATR:
First Wave: Expiration of 2001 and 2003 Tax Relief
In 2001 and 2003, the GOP Congress enacted several tax cuts for small business owners, families, and investors (later re-upped by President Obama and Democrat Congress in 2010). The following tax hikes will occur on January 1, 2013:
Personal income tax rates will rise on January 1, 2013. The top income tax rate will rise from 35 to 39.6 percent (this is also the rate at which the majority of small business profits are taxed). The lowest rate will rise from 10 to 15 percent. All the rates in between will also rise. Itemized deductions and personal exemptions will again phase out, which has the same mathematical effect as higher marginal tax rates. The full list of marginal rate hikes is below:
- The 10% bracket rises to a new and expanded 15%
- The 25% bracket rises to 28%
- The 28% bracket rises to 31%
- The 33% bracket rises to 36%
- The 35% bracket rises to 39.6%
Higher taxes on marriage and family coming on January 1, 2013. The “marriage penalty” (narrower tax brackets for married couples) will return from the first dollar of taxable income. The child tax credit will be cut in half from $1000 to $500 per child. The standard deduction will no longer be doubled for married couples relative to the single level.
Middle Class Death Tax returns on January 1, 2013. The death tax is currently 35% with an exemption of $5 million ($10 million for married couples). For those dying on or after January 1 2013, there is a 55 percent top death tax rate on estates over $1 million. A person leaving behind two homes and a retirement account could easily pass along a death tax bill to their loved ones.
Higher tax rates on savers and investors on January 1, 2013. The capital gains tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 23.8 percent in 2013. The top dividends tax will rise from 15 percent this year to 43.4 percent in 2013. This is because of scheduled rate hikes plus Obamacare’s investment surtax.
The Alternative Minimum Tax and Employer Tax Hikes
When Americans prepare to file their tax returns in January of 2013, they’ll be in for a nasty surprise—the AMT won’t be held harmless, and many tax relief provisions will have expired. These tax increases will be in force for BOTH 2012 and 2013. The major items include:
The AMT will ensnare over 31 million families, up from 4 million last year. According to the left-leaning Tax Policy Center, Congress’ failure to index the AMT will lead to an explosion of AMT taxpaying families—rising from 4 million last year to 31 million. These families will have to calculate their tax burdens twice, and pay taxes at the higher level. The AMT was created in 1969 to ensnare a handful of taxpayers.
Full business expensing will disappear. In 2011, businesses can expense half of their purchases of equipment. Starting on 2013 tax returns, all of it will have to be “depreciated” (slowly deducted over many years).
Taxes will be raised on all types of businesses. There are literally scores of tax hikes on business that will take place. The biggest is the loss of the “research and experimentation tax credit,” but there are many, many others. Combining high marginal tax rates with the loss of this tax relief will cost jobs.
Tax Benefits for Education and Teaching Reduced. The deduction for tuition and fees will not be available. Tax credits for education will be limited. Teachers will no longer be able to deduct classroom expenses. Coverdell Education Savings Accounts will be cut. Employer-provided educational assistance is curtailed. The student loan interest deduction will be disallowed for hundreds of thousands of families.
Charitable Contributions from IRAs no longer allowed. Under current law, a retired person with an IRA can contribute up to $100,000 per year directly to a charity from their IRA. This contribution also counts toward an annual “required minimum distribution.” This ability will no longer be there.
Now, let's take a look at what we'll be seeing in taxes as a result of ObamaCare on January 1. From ATR:
Taxes that take effect in 2013
10. Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93
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*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.
11. Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax ($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:
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12. Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers ($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986
13. Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI ($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995
14. Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” ($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (now unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389
15. Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D ($4.5 bil/Jan 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994
16. $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives ($0.6 bil/Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000
And let's not forget all of the tax hikes we've already seen.
1. Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971
2. Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113
3. “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105
4. Tax on Innovator Drug Companies ($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980
5. Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike ($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004
6. Tax on Indoor Tanning Services ($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399
Taxes that took effect in 2011
7. Medicine Cabinet Tax ($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959
8. HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike ($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959
Tax that took effect in 2012
9. Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 (Min$/Jan 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957
Because Republicans failed to take a majority in the Senate and because President Obama won a second term, ObamaCare won't be repealed. The only hope is for the House to defund the monstrous legislation and the good news is, Paul Ryan is still the House Budget Chairman.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/11/07/obama_won_major_tax_bomb_still_on_the_way
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studies also say fed is good, certain races are smarter, and married men are happier
LOL
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I'm not gay, but I don't take as an insult to be called gay, so no apology is necessary.
:D Phew, ...for a second, I was afraid I might have to call off our 2nd rendezvous in Niagara Falls. ;)
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Mcway's black....explain that.
Umm... it's really very simple. His parents are Black, so when he was conceived, he inherited their genes. It's really very simple. Don't they teach you Republicans about the birds & the bees? ...or was your scientific education or sex education limited to abstinence only?
None of the libs answered the immigration questions raised. We let in unskilled labor....if there were 2000 Mexican laser eye surgery specialists tryimng to get in...then sure let them in. Instead we let in worhless and lazy criminals and immediatly put them on welfare. The brits are doing this and its croaking them.
Dude, if you need an explanation as to why a Black man is Black, I fear the complex issues of immigration policy will fly right over your head.
Now I know why you call yourself 'headhunter'. You're seriously in search of a brain aren't you? ;D
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Understand taxes are not increasing, ...temporary tax cuts are expiring.
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Understand taxes are not increasing, ...temporary tax cuts are expiring.
lol...k.
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lol...k.
When McDonald's quite a 2 for 1 sale, do you say that McDonald's "raised their prices"?
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Kill two birds with one stone they say :P
Sounds like you're of a tolerant and peaceful religion.
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Umm... it's really very simple. His parents are Black, so when he was conceived, he inherited their genes. It's really very simple. Don't they teach you Republicans about the birds & the bees? ...or was your scientific education or sex education limited to abstinence only?
Dude, if you need an explanation as to why a Black man is Black, I fear the complex issues of immigration policy will fly right over your head.
Now I know why you call yourself 'headhunter'. You're seriously in search of a brain aren't you? ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Understand taxes are not increasing, ...temporary tax cuts are expiring.
lol wow here is a zombie
no no zombie
taxes were cut
now they are being raised
understand now?
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if by liberal you mean capitalist aka classical liberal then you are right
if you mean a communist/democrat/fascist/socialist, then you are wrong
remember that people like rachel madcow with phd in basket weaving are not smart, they just paid a lot to get a useless degree and now they must somehow scam using government cronyism to get paid, or join media promoting such hikinx, since no one will hire them because they are useless
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lol...k.
You are easily amused.
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if by liberal you mean capitalist aka classical liberal then you are right
if you mean a communist/democrat/fascist/socialist, then you are wrong
remember that people like rachel madcow with phd in basket weaving are not smart, they just paid a lot to get a useless degree and now they must somehow scam using government cronyism to get paid, or join media promoting such hikinx, since no one will hire them because they are useless
Yeah, she's so unsuccessful.
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so do i.
they're the ones who moved away.
You mean all those University of Texas graduates I know who live in Texas aren't smart?
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You mean all those University of Texas graduates I know who live in Texas aren't smart?
Of course they are othervise they probably wouldnt be graduates. We are talking statistics here.
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Government school degress do not equal educated
Arthur Jones was more educated than many and had 9th grade schooling; and I could go on to Henry Ford, Bill gates, Edison, Linus Torvalds....etcetc
Government schools in fact miseducate.
Its not what you don't know, it's what you know that isn't so.
Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.
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Government school degress do not equal educated
Arthur Jones was more educated than many and had 9th grade schooling; and I could go on to Henry Ford, Bill gates, Edison, Linus Torvalds....etcetc
Government schools in fact miseducate.
Its not what you don't know, it's what you know that isn't so.
Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.
you are the best gimmick
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Government school degress do not equal educated
Arthur Jones was more educated than many and had 9th grade schooling; and I could go on to Henry Ford, Bill gates, Edison, Linus Torvalds....etcetc
Government schools in fact miseducate.
Its not what you don't know, it's what you know that isn't so.
Never let your schooling get in the way of your education.
One a somewhat related note....
A freind of mine is a family practice doctor. She told me that during much of medical school she didn't go to class at all. She had a note taker to go to class for her. lol.
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One a somewhat related note....
A freind of mine is a family practice doctor. She told me that during much of medical school she didn't go to class at all. She had a note taker to go to class for her. lol.
I did that as well. Class is not necessary unless you are a moron. The practicals are a must obviously and on the job training but written tests require notes only.
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I did that as well. Class is not necessary unless you are a moron. The practicals are a must obviously and on the job training but written tests require notes only.
That really boosts my confidence in our edjucation system. Money well spent.
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that sounds like a job for me haha... I LOVED going to school actually. Learning, taking notes, interacting, being engaged like that.
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You mean all those University of Texas graduates I know who live in Texas aren't smart?
i don't know all the UT grads that you know.
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ObamaPhone Lady and Peggy are smarter than us schmucks. She knows how to game the taxpayer for free stuff and we keep feeding these beasts like suckers.
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ObamaPhone Lady and Peggy are smarter than us schmucks. She knows how to game the taxpayer for free stuff and we keep feeding these beasts like suckers.
Then you an Obamaphone Lady have one more thing in common.
You both live in the ghetto i see a romance coming.
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Of course they are othervise they probably wouldnt be graduates. We are talking statistics here.
What statistics did chadstallion mention?
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i don't know all the UT grads that you know.
They're all pretty smart. :)
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What statistics did chadstallion mention?
Number of stupid people in Texas i think.
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Liberals are good at one thing, fooling people and lying their asses off. Just like the "tax the rich" bullshit which shows it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. They also believe that the "rich" were taxed 91% back in the 50's which is also a load of crap but thats what they want idiots like obamaites believe.
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Number of stupid people in Texas i think.
He said all the smart people moved away. What statistics are you talking about?
so do i.
they're the ones who moved away.
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if you are smart, why ain't ya rich?
yep all you penniless commies held back by the man ya right!!
/end thread
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He said all the smart people moved away. What statistics are you talking about?
That its statistics. People in the south receive more wellfare pr statistic. But of course there is bright people in Texas hence your personal experience.
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That its statistics. People in the south receive more wellfare pr statistic. But of course there is bright people in Texas hence your personal experience.
That's opinion and hyperbole. Are you suggesting that 100 percent of the smart people moved away from Texas? That's what he said.
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That's opinion and hyperbole. Are you suggesting that 100 percent of the smart people moved away from Texas? That's what he said.
No thats not what im suggesting.
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lets see texas
dell computer
american airlines
neiman marcus
exxon mobile
yeah no one smart there lol
heres a few 100 more big huge profitable corps in texas:
http://jobbankusa.com/jobs/texas_tx/job_employment_largest_employers.html (http://jobbankusa.com/jobs/texas_tx/job_employment_largest_employers.html)
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its called "brain drain" and it happens to regions without a lot of economic development. the smartest and brightest move out of rural areas and into urban centers. rural areas tend to be more conservative and urban centers tend to be more liberal.
texas has some urban centers and they also have a "business friendly" political climate if i remember correctly, which both contribute to helping increase the amount of intelligent and successful.
as i will say for the third time now in this thread... conservative/liberal isnt dictated by intelligence. average IQ for the two groups is basically the same.
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A government school study says those who think bigger government is better are smart?
SUPRISE ::)
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A government school study says those who think bigger government is better are smart?
SUPRISE ::)
Do you think that the Internet, GPS, the highway system and the military are useful?
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Do you think that the Internet, GPS, the highway system and the military are useful?
The internet was invented at private bell labs.
GPS is nice, implemented by private corps.
The highway system could have been doen 10x cheaper by allowing corps to build them and charge access and blocking teamsters from interfearing.
Military invents everything with 19% of gdp yes is maligned, while people forget 74% of gdp is just welfare the dole.
hope this helps
ps the point was that if you ask the government to take a poll, the poll will say more government spending is good.
I think simply spending the government money BETTER would be a MASSIVE improvement.
I also am thinking massive import taxes on china good and japanese cars would be most excellent way to eliminate the income tax. bigger paychecks and make china and japan replace the income from the income tax.
I think www.fairtax.org would be an excellent implementation to switch to as well and its proven by hong kongs excellent growth in the 1900s with just a 15% tax nothing more.
I would love to hear what solutions or implementations make sense for you.
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solutions.. depends if i am willing to be an authoritarian or not.
your solution, very authoritarian. stealing 15% of peoples money. putting up tariffs on goods from overseas. etc. all that has to be done by force.
a solution that doesnt revolve around the use of force and coercion... let people donate how much money they want to what programs they want. and do your best to encourage the people you meet in your life to be productive, charitable, good hearted and financially responsible individuals.
now, if you want to be an authoritarian about it... i have plenty of good ideas ;D
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Survey says . . .
Survey Indicates Conservative Talk Radio Listeners Better Informed
The Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports teamed up on survey
Published May 20, 2021
By Ryan Hedrick
A new survey from the Heartland Institute reveals that conservative talk-radio listeners are better informed on key news issues than those who watch or listen to other news sources.
The results of the survey were discussed on the Glenn Beck Show Tuesday during a conversation with Justin Haskins, Editorial director at the Heartland Institute. The think tank teamed up with Rasmussen Reports.
“Talk radio is actually the audience that was most likely to get these questions right above all other kinds of categories,” Haskins said. “But generally speaking, all conservative media way outperformed these liberal outlets.”
Haskins said most of the people polled regularly watch left-leaning networks like CNN and MSNBC.
“What we found was, overwhelmingly, in the vast majority of questions that we asked, the people who watch NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC regularly, who identified those as their favorite network, were far more likely to get questions about facts wrong — in some cases, wildly wrong, compared to people who watch conservative media television, and especially those who get most of their news from talk radio,” Haskins said.
You can view the full results of the poll here.
https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2021/05/20/survey-indicates-conservative-talk-radio-listeners-better-informed/?fbclid=IwAR1tYZaviJAtInIzAs_2o7IxYn3gXKMNz1TPxK4JSeJn7p0k_lkFwBsG6uU
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“What we found was, overwhelmingly, in the vast majority of questions that we asked, the people who watch NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC regularly, who identified those as their favorite network, were far more likely to get questions about facts wrong — in some cases, wildly wrong, compared to people who watch conservative media television, and especially those who get most of their news from talk radio,” Haskins said.
Makes sense because they are propaganda outlets.
I don't think the Conservative stations are that much better, but they generally don't skew the facts and tell you how to think and feel.
The news is supposed to be "objective" and that is not true at all in the Liberal media. They will spend 15 minutes convincing you to feel a certain way before they even share the facts with you, which are typically skewed.
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Makes sense because they are propaganda outlets.
I don't think the Conservative stations are that much better, but they generally don't skew the facts and tell you how to think and feel.
The news is supposed to be "objective" and that is not true at all in the Liberal media. They will spend 15 minutes convincing you to feel a certain way before they even share the facts with you, which are typically skewed.
Yeah I agree. I don't trust any single "news" source, but there is definitely a spectrum.
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Survey says . . .
Survey Indicates Conservative Talk Radio Listeners Better Informed
The Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports teamed up on survey
Published May 20, 2021
By Ryan Hedrick
A new survey from the Heartland Institute reveals that conservative talk-radio listeners are better informed on key news issues than those who watch or listen to other news sources.
The results of the survey were discussed on the Glenn Beck Show Tuesday during a conversation with Justin Haskins, Editorial director at the Heartland Institute. The think tank teamed up with Rasmussen Reports.
“Talk radio is actually the audience that was most likely to get these questions right above all other kinds of categories,” Haskins said. “But generally speaking, all conservative media way outperformed these liberal outlets.”
Haskins said most of the people polled regularly watch left-leaning networks like CNN and MSNBC.
“What we found was, overwhelmingly, in the vast majority of questions that we asked, the people who watch NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, and MSNBC regularly, who identified those as their favorite network, were far more likely to get questions about facts wrong — in some cases, wildly wrong, compared to people who watch conservative media television, and especially those who get most of their news from talk radio,” Haskins said.
You can view the full results of the poll here.
https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2021/05/20/survey-indicates-conservative-talk-radio-listeners-better-informed/?fbclid=IwAR1tYZaviJAtInIzAs_2o7IxYn3gXKMNz1TPxK4JSeJn7p0k_lkFwBsG6uU
I absolutely never have listened to talk radio, rarely conservative media and only occasionally CNN. I prefer print media.
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Very soon DEMENTIA Joe is meeting Mr.Putin FACE-TO-FACE ;D , so we will see who is smarter ;D ;D ;D
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I absolutely never have listened to talk radio, rarely conservative media and only occasionally CNN. I prefer print media.
That is so 1980s. lol Print media is yesterday's news. The information age changed everything.
You'll be smarter and better informed if you listened to talk radio and podcasts.
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That is so 1980s. lol Print media is yesterday's news. The information age changed everything.
You'll be smarter and better informed if you listened to talk radio and podcasts.
Thanks for the advice. Is it factual or your opinion?
I will stick with what works for me. When I want opinions on issues, I read them in the opinion section of the newspaper rather then have some A-hole talk show host act like their opinions are actually facts.
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Yeah I agree. I don't trust any single "news" source, but there is definitely a spectrum.
Both sides show bias, but it's easier to spot on the conservative side.
The difference is that the liberal media really hurt themselves by the outright lying during the Trump administration, or reporting every little negative thing as if was true.
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Thanks for the advice. Is it factual or your opinion?
I will stick with what works for me. When I want opinions on issues, I read them in the opinion section of the newspaper rather then have some A-hole talk show host act like their opinions are actually facts.
It's a fact that if you expose yourself to intelligent and informative conversation that you will become a smarter and more informed person. Unless you have some kind of mental defect. Or are blinded by partisanship. Or suffer from TDS . . . .
I honestly don't care what you decide to do. You do you.
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Both sides show bias, but it's easier to spot on the conservative side.
The difference is that the liberal media really hurt themselves by the outright lying during the Trump administration, or reporting every little negative thing as if was true.
I agree. Conservative talking heads acknowledge they are conservative. Liberals claim to be unbiased.
Don't know if you've ever seen this (I think I created a thread about it?) but Sharyl Attkisson had a running list of false news stories during Trump's presidency. Egregious.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/04/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
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It's a fact that if you expose yourself to intelligent and informative conversation that you will become a smarter and more informed person. Unless you have some kind of mental defect. Or are blinded by partisanship. Or suffer from TDS . . . .
I honestly don't care what you decide to do. You do you.
Are you partisan?
Do you suffer BDS?
I'm too nice a guy to ask you about mental defects which might be interpreted as my thinking you are mentally defective.
How do you personally go about deciding whose conversations are intelligent and informative and who is bullshitting you? Can you honestly state that you are able to listen to a variety of perspectives, covering all sides of an issue with an unbiased and completely open mind?
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I agree. Conservatives talking heads acknowledge they are conservative. Liberals claim to be unbiased.
Don't know if you've ever seen this (I think I created a thread about it?) but Sharyl Attkisson had a running list of false news stories during Trump's presidency. Egregious.
https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/04/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/
I will read through that.
The onslaught from the media really was unprecedented.
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I will read through that.
The onslaught from the media really was unprecedented.
Yeah check it out. Eyeopening. It's easy to forget just how blatant and pervasive the reporting was, particularly because the correction is never as loud as the false report.
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Are you partisan?
Do you suffer BDS?
I'm too nice a guy to ask you about mental defects which might be interpreted as my thinking you are mentally defective.
How do you personally go about deciding whose conversations are intelligent and informative and who is bullshitting you? Can you honestly state that you are able to listen to a variety of perspectives, covering all sides of an issue with an unbiased and completely open mind?
I find out who is smart by actually listening to them and deciding whether or not I think they are honest and informative. Being entertaining is a bonus.
What I don't do is label something I've never listened to or know anything about as "some A-hole talk show host act like their opinions are actually facts."
And I understand the difference between opinion and hard news.