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Which is better?
I'm geared more towards using it as an education tool, but also like some useful apps.
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Ipad by a country mile, not enough apps for the Surface to even compete at this point in time, give it a couple of years and it may be different.
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Ipad by a country mile, not enough apps for the Surface to even compete at this point in time, give it a couple of years and it may be different.
most people install 5-10 apps at the most so the total app count in the app store in irrelevant. There are probably 100,000 fart apps in Apple app store.
What app is missing that you find so important?
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Microsoft is known to pull the plug fast on things if they don't sell. Just look at the Zune. Wait to see if they are in this tablet business for the long haul or you could be stuck with a $600 brick. You know Apple is not going to dump the ipad since it's core to its business
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I am not an apple man and have a nexus 7 that I love. However, my uninformed opinion is that the iPad shits on the surface.
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The Surface is a "me too" product. 'nuff said. ::)
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Ipad all the way, microsoft is just taking a shot with the surface and if it does not get enough sales they will stop making it like they did with the zune and you will be left with a product that nobody supports.
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The Surface is a "me too" product. 'nuff said. ::)
I guess all cars built after the first car was built, are "me too" cars ?
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Too early to tell yet I think. Give it a bit, see how the Surface does.
Surface has some cool things the ipad doesn't.
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I'm not even an apple guy and I will say iPad.
Windows 8 still is very very very lacking in apps
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I was able to get my hands on both an iPad mini and Surface RT today.
Both devices definitely are catering to different demographics.
iPad = need for iTunes and games
Surface RT = need to multitask and work/create
I think business professionals and students will get way more with the Surface in terms of productivity, but the selection app from what I could tell was pretty weak. It has all the essential apps, but missing a couple or charge for some I have on Android. It is pretty early still to judge.
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I'm not even an apple guy and I will say iPad.
Windows 8 still is very very very lacking in apps
same here, bought a ipad 2 for my 3 year old she loves it..me to :D
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All depends on what you are going to use it for. If you are just going to consume, iPad, if you want to actually get shit done, Surface. in time there will be plenty of apps for the Surface, the iPad had shit for apps on release as well.
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Just got another office computer, and got a new printer with it. I now have windows 8 on both and hate it. Don't know why they had to fuck shit up.
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Just got another office computer, and got a new printer with it. I now have windows 8 on both and hate it. Don't know why they had to fuck shit up.
I won't buy Windows 8, looks fucking dumb.
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I won't buy Windows 8, looks fucking dumb.
You can turn off Metro and make it look just like Win 7.
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I won't buy Windows 8, looks fucking dumb.
The Metro UI will only be good for tablets... anything else and it will piss you off.
Why no start button fuckers!?!?!?!
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I've got both. If you're looking to play some games and surf the internet, the Ipad is hard to beat. If you want to actually get some real work done, I'd go with the Surface. The surface has a complete version of windows 8 running on it, and all that that entails. Includes MS Office. The 2 keyboard/covers actually work very well.
Most apple folks will have a hard time figuring it out. The new Metro interface is a learning curve even for seasoned windows users.
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I guess all cars built after the first car was built, are "me too" cars ?
Haha, the ultimate douche bag. You'd think this guy was Steve Jobs with the amount of time he spends going to bat for Apple.
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Microsoft is known to pull the plug fast on things if they don't sell. Just look at the Zune. Wait to see if they are in this tablet business for the long haul or you could be stuck with a $600 brick. You know Apple is not going to dump the ipad since it's core to its business
the Zune was around for 2 models..a better example for you would be the Kin
and guess what, if a product is not selling most companies will yank it...ofcourse Apple won't dump the Ipad. it is selling ::)
Here is a list of Apple discontinued products.
Apple I
Apple II series
Apple II Plus
Apple IIe
Apple IIc
Apple IIGS
Apple IIc Plus
Apple III
Apple III Plus
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the Zune was around for 2 models..a better example for you would be the Kin
and guess what, if a product is not selling most companies will yank it...ofcourse Apple won't dump the Ipad. it is selling ::)
Here is a list of Apple discontinued products.
Apple I
Apple II series
Apple II Plus
Apple IIe
Apple IIc
Apple IIGS
Apple IIc Plus
Apple III
Apple III Plus
All of those were discontinued after lots of sales and just had to move on with technology.
That's not the same.
Had you said the Apple Newton, then you would be onto something.
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I don't know but I NEED it. I have to have it for work. Yesterday I never even dreamed such a device up and things went fine without it, but now that it's on the market and everyone else is doing it I NEED it.
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i need your mom more
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same here, bought a ipad 2 for my 3 year old she loves it..me to :D
agreed - ipad 2 has amazing kids apps.
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doesnt little kids have to sleep
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doesnt little kids have to sleep
for best results, serve ipad with 12.5 mg Benadryl
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The tablet jinx took down Palm and RIM. Who's next?
Both RIM and HP Palm got sidetracked trying to build a tablet and it cost them dearly. Other tech giants could face similar regrets
by Jason Hiner
The Apple iPad is a deceptive little monster. And the companies that are getting caught up in its deception are paying dearly for it. HP Palm fell for it. RIM fell for it. Others fell for it to a lesser degree, and some are still in danger of suffering from it.
The problem is that when most of the traditional technology companies look at the iPad, they see the wrong things. They see an oversized smartphone screen that's extremely limited in what it can do. So they've said to themselves, "We can build one of those, add more features, and people will buy our version instead."
That thinking has largely failed. Two years after the Apple tablet was unveiled, the iPad still controls a head-scratching two-thirds of the tablet market despite the fact that there are plenty of cheaper imitations and lots of products that have more features.
The companies that are creating iPad competitors aren't paying attention to the three things that are making the iPad a hit with consumers:
• Fear-proof simplicity
• A great catalog of tablet apps and content
• Long battery life
With its BlackBerry PlayBook, RIM tried to build a tablet that was more enterprise-friendly than the iPad. Business professionals looked at it and saw a 7-inch tablet that didn't have as many apps, wasn't as simple to use, and had battery life that wasn't quite as good as the iPad. So, they bought the iPad instead. Meanwhile, during the year that BlackBerry spent focusing on the PlayBook, it didn't release enough innovative new smartphone designs to keep pace with Android and iPhone and now the veteran smartphone maker is struggling mightily.
With its TouchPad, HP's Palm division tried to build a tablet that could multitask like a PC. And it pulled it off -- albeit at the expense of battery life. But, consumers basically said that if they wanted a laptop they'd just buy a laptop, and the ones who wanted a tablet bought the iPad. Meanwhile, HP Palm had diverted resources away from innovating its Pre smartphone line and the high-profile failure of the TouchPad gave HP's then-CEO Leo Apotheker all the excuse he needed to pull the plug on the whole Palm division.
Those are the two most poignant examples of groups that got side-tracked chasing the iPad and came to rue the mistake. There are others that have also gotten caught in the vortex and a few that are still in the danger zone.
The danger list
When we talk about companies -- and divisions of big companies -- that have struggled to compete against the iPad, there's a handful that will immediately come to mind. So I've created a list and rated them based on how much danger they're in -- no danger, mild danger, or serious danger.
Samsung (no danger)
While Samsung has released a flurry of different tablet models in all shapes and sizes, it hasn't distracted the company at all. It has still been producing a steady stream of top-selling smartphones. This is a company that is all about releasing a ton of different products and hoping a few of them become hits. As such, Samsung is probably the least likely on this list to get sidetracked by chasing the iPad.
Google Android (mild danger)
Going after the iPad messed up the Android development cycle in 2011. Google launched Android 3.0 as a tablet-only release, which left most Android phones stranded back on Android 2.3 "Gingerbread," which still remains by far the most prevalent version of Android on phones today despite the fact that it was released in December 2010.
Android tablets turned out to be a big disappointment. While Google was dedicating resources to Android tablets, the Android phone platform was splintering, getting hit by malware, suffering from slow software updates, and being loaded down with crapware from mobile carriers. Google has reunified Android in version 4.0 and addressed many of these issues, so it looks like it's back on track. The company hasn't been talking about tablets much in 2012. When it goes down the tablet road again, I expect that Google won't allow it to distract from the phone ecosystem next time.
HTC (mild danger)
HTC was formerly the top-selling hardware vendor in Android smartphones and it still makes the only Android skin (HTC Sense) that truly improves on the stock Android OS. But, in mid-2011, it released the 7-inch HTC Flyer, which was one of the worst tablets of the year. And, as it focused on its tablet play, the scrappy little phone maker had a lull in smartphone innovation that allowed Samsung and Motorola to leapfrog it in the second half of 2011 with better devices that attracted a lot more buyers.
In 2012, HTC has unveiled its impressive new line of "One" smartphones and hasn't talked about tablets. Still, HTC's 2011 setback allowed Samsung to take the pole position in the Android market and it doesn't look likely that HTC will be able to take it back any time soon. HTC just isn't as big as Samsung and can't afford to get distracted on tablets again.
Asus (mild danger)
With its Transformer line, Asus has produced the most innovative tablets in the Android ecosystem. These tablets, which have a full keyboard dock for a more laptop-like experience and a longer battery charge, have definitely appealed to power users. But, that hasn't driven enough sales to make it worth all of the focus that Asus has put on it.
At a time when Dell, HP, and Acer are struggling in the PC market, Asus would have probably been better off putting its emphasis on its cutting edge laptop and desktop designs and taking market share from its struggling rivals. Still, the Transformer line could help Asus become a leader in Intel's hybrid Ultrabook movement -- although that concept is certainly not guaranteed to be a slam dunk with consumers.
Amazon (mild to serious danger)
With the Kindle Fire, Amazon produced the best competitor to the iPad. Amazon wisely lined up the app and content ecosystem for the Kindle Fire before launching the device and marketed the product very well. As a result, it quickly nabbed the No. 2 spot in the tablet market behind the iPad. Big success, right? Well, there are two problems with the Kindle Fire. First, after its big holiday season, sales of the Kindle Fire plummeted in the first quarter of this year, which means most buyers probably aren't recommending it to their family and friends.
The other problem with the Kindle Fire is that in building a tablet, Amazon took focus away from its core e-reader business. The company might have been better off working toward bringing a full-color e-reader to market. The Kindle Fire was a risky move for Amazon and there are rumors that it's also planning a 10-inch Kindle Fire. This whole thing could still turn out to be a distraction that took the company down the wrong path as a second-rate device maker (and open the door for Barnes & Noble to steal some of the e-reader market). But, it could also pave the way for a low-cost color e-reader that doubles as a tablet-like media player.
Amazon is playing a high risk game here. Making an e-reader was one thing, but building multiple tablets would take it down the road of becoming a full-fledged consumer electronics company, and that could turn into a distraction for a company that makes all of its money off e-commerce and only sells its devices at break-even prices. Still, if the razor blade scheme pays off for Amazon, it could be highly profitable for the company and offer consumers plenty of low-cost devices. But, make no mistake, it has to be managed very carefully and very wisely.
Intel (serious danger)
Intel wants to make the processor for the iPad, but Apple has rejected its Silicon Valley partner in favor of ARM processors that don't use as much power and have much better battery life. That's been a key factor in the iPad's success, as I noted above. Unlike the other companies on this list, Intel's problem in the tablet market isn't that it's trying too hard, but that it hasn't tried hard enough. Intel has predicted the mobile revolution for years, but it hasn't been able to build a mobile processor that is efficient enough to compete with ARM CPUs. As the number of ARM devices multiply exponentially and dwarf the sales of PCs, Intel will have to quickly catch up or acquire an ARM-based CPU company like Nvidia to compete.
Microsoft Windows (serious danger)
Windows has the most to lose from the iPad since the iPad is eating the bottom out of the PC market. Every person who chooses an iPad instead of a laptop is taking about $50 out of Microsoft's pocket and putting about $300 into Apple's pocket. That helps explain why in the two years since the iPad was introduced, Apple has soared past Microsoft in revenue, profit, and market value -- even though the iPad will sell about 60 million units in 2012 while PCs will sell about 400 million units.
That's why Microsoft is making such a bold move with Windows 8 and turning it into an operating system that is optimized for touch screens first and traditional PCs second. That would seem contradictory since even the most optimistic tablet projections show them being outsold by PCs over the next five years. Microsoft is basically taking all of those PC sales for granted and making the assumption that those users will put up with the tablet-ness of Windows 8. That's how determined Microsoft is to not let Apple run away with the tablet market.
Like Amazon, Microsoft is playing a high-stakes game in tablets and there's a lot of risk involved. For Microsoft, the stakes are even higher since Windows is one of the company's primary revenue sources and it's being put at risk if consumers reject Windows 8. Still, I know a lot of companies that are waiting to get on board with the iPad until they see what Microsoft and its partners come up with in Windows 8 tablets. So the opportunity is there for Microsoft to turn this into a success story, especially in light of Android's tablet failures and the Kindle Fire's cooling sales.
Bottom line
The world certainly needs strong competitors to the iPad. I'm not suggesting that most of the companies on this list would or should abandon the tablet market and leave it all to Apple. However, there are companies that need to either change their strategy or avoid the tablet market altogether before it eats them alive.
For most of these companies, the results won't be as apocalyptic as the fate of RIM or Palm, but making the wrong moves in the tablet market could have very severe and very expensive consequences. Just ask the BlackBerry PlayBook and the HP TouchPad.
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nexus , all day.
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get a dektop pc and live life
up the dose
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nexus , all day.
Do this and call it a day!
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I've decided on the $800 Lenovo Thinkpad 2 released next month.
Full Windows 8 on a tablet makes iOS and Android look like children's toys.
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I've decided on the $800 Lenovo Thinkpad 2 released next month.
Full Windows 8 on a tablet makes iOS and Android look like children's toys.
Good luck, hope you enjoy it. Personally, I prefer the xps12 compared to the Lenovo but both seem great. I have yet to sample windows 8 - I am still sorta learning 7 after sticking with xp for years and years...
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It all depends what you are looking to do with it.
I have an Ipad2 and just ordered another Ipad2, both of them for the kids. They are great for them, they have game apps (which just because of this, saved me a TON of money from buying Wii and DS games). They have wifi for interview capabilities so we can read the news or whatever around the house, and they an other fun apps.
Now, Surface is more businesslike. Great for people who want more business oriented items.
Now, for computers, I only have PC based ones (three of them), but for tablets, we use Ipads. Phones are one and one. One Android, One IPhone.
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It all depends what you are looking to do with it.
I have an Ipad2 and just ordered another Ipad2, both of them for the kids. They are great for them, they have game apps (which just because of this, saved me a TON of money from buying Wii and DS games). They have wifi for interview capabilities so we can read the news or whatever around the house, and they an other fun apps.
Now, Surface is more businesslike. Great for people who want more business oriented items.
Now, for computers, I only have PC based ones (three of them), but for tablets, we use Ipads. Phones are one and one. One Android, One IPhone.
Isn't it amazing that Getbig runs on 3 simple desktop PCs at Ron's home?!
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Good luck, hope you enjoy it. Personally, I prefer the xps12 compared to the Lenovo but both seem great. I have yet to sample windows 8 - I am still sorta learning 7 after sticking with xp for years and years...
Windows 8 was specifically built for tablets... They absolutely said "Fuck the PC user" when they built windows 8.
It is kind of bloated... I used to run windows 7 in a VM with 2 GB of memory and 1 CPU and it functioned pretty ok... When I moved to Windows 8 in the same environment, I gave it 4GB of memory and 2 CPUs and it's absolutely a bear to use.
It takes easily 3 times longer to boot as well.
I don't think the Metro UI is worth a damn for a PC, but for a tablet, it's pretty slick.