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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: galeniko on November 21, 2012, 07:29:52 AM
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good luck galenko in your quests
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People who don't train legs actually need two balls to total body weight.
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making galenko stronger also
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good question g,,,
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Something to consider.
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Never trained legs apart from sprint intervals. Diet is terrible atm but isn't hurting that much, would probably be worse if training full body, it's definitely less requirement.
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No need to specially train legs.
They carry my bodyweight all day.
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Legs are my favorite thing to train actually even though mine aren't very big. I train them just as frequently/intensely as anything else but I also run a lot, hard to do that and keep a lot of bulk on the legs I think.
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Well Galeniko is one of the best posters on here and has unparalled knowledge. I myself believe the legs are very important and it stands to reason that you need the correct amount of protein as legs are 50% of our body and are muscles that need heavy loads to tax them. I have trained legs today and all i can say is fucking Squat and after a heavy leg day i am always hungry..
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legs are taxing and take few days to recover need to refuel plenty,carbs,protein but to a point,,i train legs very hard never miss,,,
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legs are taxing and take few days to recover need to refuel plenty,carbs,protein but to a point,,i train legs very hard never miss,,,
well you should know your legs are not bad... ;D(no homo)
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Less carbs. Same protein if equal lean body mass, which they mostly won't have however.
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well you should know your legs are not bad... ;D(no homo)
why thankyou..
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i can safely say training my legs or not makes an overall difference, yes, even on uper body.
upper body doesnt get bigger necesarly from squats etc, but i get stronger, absolutely no question.
then again, ive seen ppl with tremendous upper body development,but no legs at all.
oh and training legs hard definitely lets me get away with bad diet habbits.
im bit worried, i injured my meniscus recently, and cant train them seriously no more.only curls, if that :-[
train the muscle "Vastus medialus" teardrop. foot position on leg press(better for knee problems) wide foot stance and heels inwards. but i am sure you know that ..anyway best wishes and hope you get better.
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Maybe he is an athlete.
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Maybe he is an athlete.
like me ;D
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There's this ugly dude who's always in my gym doing these fucking agility drills, like that thing football players do where you run back and forth along a zig-zag pattern real quick. He also takes a medicine ball and bounces it off the ground real hard, catches it, repeat, or chest-presses it as high as he can in the air, lets it hit the ground with a bang, catch it, repeat.
He's annoying as hell.
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galenko how is your confidence level do you feel people are noticing you?
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i been chatting with some girl, and i just found out that she can squat with 250 for a few reps and she only weighs about 120 pounds
i don't think that i could squat 250 for even 1 rep lol
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well if the formula for adequate protein intake is 1 gram per lb of lean bodyweight
then that formula is going to remain correct
what changes is the amount of lean body mass you use in finding the results of the formula
if you have undeveloped legs, your lean body mass will be considerably less than if you had well developed legs.
for example, if a dude has 200lbs of lean mass with all of his muscles, including legs, well developed. then his protein intake would be 200 grams. but if he stopped training legs for a year and maintained the rest of his lean body mass while experiencing a reduction in leg mass that amounted to a loss of 10lbs total lean body mass, then his total lean body mass would now be 190lbs and his total protein intake would now only be 190grams.
pretty simple, right?
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uh.no.
if you already know the answer to a question, then why ask it? ;D since you seem to be interested in telling me i am wrong, why dont you go ahead and expand on why you think im wrong instead off just saying "uh.no." :)
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people who choose to not train legs aren't serious about training, so, no.
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people who choose to not train legs aren't serious about training, so, no.
i agree and i think big but lean in terms of grooves in quads/hams are nice to have whether bber,non competitor gym rat..
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if one is fater than visible abs, i wouldnt worry the least bit about diet and just eat whatever and how much ever i want.
hold on, sprint intervals?you serious? ;D
I have never been over 9%, always a skinny kid. Near where i live it's countryside so lots of hills and varied landscape, so you get a bit of a leg workout running sprints. Obviously not comparable to weights lol
I did do squats for a while and noticed my all round strength was up, but my diet is so shit atm training too much would probably kill me.
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I have never been over 9%, always a skinny kid. Near where i live it's countryside so lots of hills and varied landscape, so you get a bit of a leg workout running sprints. Obviously not comparable to weights lol
I did do squats for a while and noticed my all round strength was up, but my diet is so shit atm training too much would probably kill me.
what's you sprint protocol brother?
how far do you sprint? how many repeats do you do? how long do you rest btw repeats?
a good way to increase your sprint speed is to run down hill, as it forces you to run faster than you really can
i used to do that shit til i wreaked my goddamn knee playing basketball, now the only "sports" that i can do are bodysculpting and running
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what's you sprint protocol brother?
how far do you sprint? how many repeats do you do? how long do you rest btw repeats?
a good way to increase your sprint speed is to run down hill, as it forces you to run faster than you really can
i used to do that shit til i wreaked my goddamn knee playing basketball, now the only "sports" that i can do are bodysculpting and running
It's normally one of, do a 100 metres max, walk back, rinse repeat for about a mile, obviously your speed diminishes a lot as you repeat. Or 200 yard sprint, jog back, repeat, similar, or i'll run a max mile, rest, repeat. Or an easy 5 k. I change it about a lot Dj.
I'm not particularly good at endurance stuff, asthma, and i have to put a lot of work in to it compared to strength gains but it's getting easier and the runners high is nice.
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It's normally one of, do a 100 metres max, walk back, rinse repeat for about a mile, obviously your speed diminishes a lot as you repeat. Or 200 yard sprint, jog back, repeat, similar, or i'll run a max mile, rest, repeat. Or an easy 5 k. I change it about a lot Dj.
I'm not particularly good at endurance stuff, asthma, and i have to put a lot of work in to it compared to strength gains but it's getting easier and the runners high is nice.
so what's your mile PR ;D
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so what's your mile PR ;D
About 6,30 lol, not good.
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About 6,30 lol, not good.
that's not too bad actually, i had you pegged for 7:30 or even 8 minutes lol
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that's not too bad actually, i had you pegged for 7:30 or even 8 minutes lol
Yeah, it's not very good but i have improved quite a lot i used to collapse after about 200 yards.
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Yeah, it's not very good but i have improved quite a lot i used to collapse after about 200 yards.
anyone who can sub a sub-6 mile and it's a twig is pretty damn fit, and it's a rather impressive feat IMO
and remember man, we are bodysculptors, not bodybuilders ;D
slim and narrow waistline with broad shoulders and a round bubble ass FTW 8)
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anyone who can sub a sub-6 mile and it's a twig is pretty damn fit, and it's a rather impressive feat IMO
and remember man, we are bodysculptors, not bodybuilders ;D
slim and narrow waistline with broad shoulders and a round bubble ass FTW 8)
Of course brother, bodysculpting ftw. I feel a little bit better about my running now, i'll try a mile max tonight and get back to you. :)
I never thought about weight, i wonder what the weight limit on running a sub 4 minute mile is.
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Of course brother, bodysculpting ftw. I feel a little bit better about my running now, i'll try a mile max tonight and get back to you. :)
I never thought about weight, i wonder what the weight limit on running a sub 4 minute mile is.
well man, only sprinters have any kind of muscle on them, and even 800 meter and miler's as thin as rails
when i was in my competitive running days i weighed anywhere btw 128-135 @ 5'11"
i'd say most elite miler's BMI's are 20 or less
i'm curious what decathletes run the mile or 1500 meters in, as that's their last event, in fact i'll look it up and get back to ya
damn! i'm impressed :o they run the 1500 meters in about 4:30 to 5:00 minutes
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How much protein do you need if you got no legs... ???
Or no arm and no legs.... ???
Puzzles the mind.
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The only good reason for not training legs is amputation.
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Falcon says that standing and walking around all day is sufficient training for one's wheels
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well man, only sprinters have any kind of muscle on them, and even 800 meter and miler's as thin as rails
when i was in my competitive running days i weighed anywhere btw 128-135 @ 5'11"
i'd say most elite miler's BMI's are 20 or less
i'm curious what decathletes run the mile or 1500 meters in, as that's their last event, in fact i'll look it up and get back to ya
damn! i'm impressed :o they run the 1500 meters in about 4:30 to 5:00 minutes
Didn't know that you were a runner. You've become pretty big since then.
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Probably no difference, really.
How much protein, from your diet, do you think actually goes to building skeletal muscle? And if you do train hard, really, how many grams of protein per training session are you really going to lay down as new muscle tissue? 10-20 grams, if you're extremely lucky.
Most of the protein we over-eat goes towards helping the body accelerate protein turnover (the more you eat, the faster the body turns over its tissues...it's generally wasteful but you send the metabolic signal by overeating protein). You could get by eating far less than 1g/lb of bodyweight, which is excessive.
Not that there's anything wrong with eating too much protein either. It is expensive, mind you.
Furthermore, a skeletal muscle turns itself over about once ever 30 days or so. So let's say you've got 10lbs of muscle in your legs. You can't look at it the way I'm going to explain here, because the human body isn't a bomb calorimeter, but bear with me...
You'd need 4540 grams of protein per month to turn over your legs. You'd need an additional 10 grams per week to support your leg training. So, that's 4540 + 40. That's less than 1% of your protein that you need going to new growth, and the other 99.2% going to tissue maintenance.
So really, eating extra protein for extra growth is a rounding error. Completely over-thinking the details.
Bear in mind, also, that strength training is a powerful anti-catabolic (almost drug-like in its effects on the metabolism). So doing any strength training in the gym will have a whole-body anti-catabolic effect, likely preserving the muscle tissue you do have in your legs. For example, it's near impossible to work your back without training legs. It's near impossible to train your chest without training legs (they brace you during the press).
Were you trolling with the question, Gal, or were you questioning seriously?
BTW, most of my above comments go guys who've been training for a year or two and are nearing their genetic limits.
And of course, drugs change the equation.
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Didn't know that you were a runner. You've become pretty big since then.
i'm a twink man just ask the hardass tough guys here on this board ;)
but in reality 25 pounds of pure lean muscle tissue made quite a difference in my physique, going from 129 at sub-6 to 154 at sub-6
the funny thing is, i haven't a clue what i weigh now since i don't weigh myself nowadays, but i'd say that i'm about 160 or so, and i getting leaner by the day, so i'll most likely post update ab shots before the new year as i'm confident that i'll be sitting at sub-6 by then
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i'm a twink man just ask the hardass tough guys here on this board ;)
but in reality 25 pounds of pure lean muscle tissue made quite a difference in my physique, going from 129 at sub-6 to 154 at sub-6
the funny thing is, i haven't a clue what i weigh now since i don't weigh myself nowadays, but i'd say that i'm about 160 or so, and i getting leaner by the day, so i'll most likely post update ab shots before the new year as i'm confident that i'll be sitting at sub-6 by then
you just can't help yourself can you
PS have you checked with Moen and made sure it's ok to be that lean ?
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Protein per lbs of muscle/lean muscle is broscience. There is zero evidence supporting any of these amounts people suggest. Only evidence we have is either flawed or produced by supplement companies (not even worth looking into).
Science claims that protein consumption should be proportionate to total caloric intake.
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i'm gorging on 350-400g of protein daily lately... good old chicken, and beef and lamb and pork....
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how many decades can one obsess about proper protien intake before you turn grey and are 6 feet in the grave?
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My rear looks like shit if I don't train legs :-*
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Far too many people get it wrong. It's not the grams of protein per bodyweight, it's the grams of protein per LEAN bodyweight. Keywords: LEAN BODYWEIGHT Obese people do not require a linear amount of protein as they get fatter and fatter. It doesn't work that way.
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Far too many people get it wrong. It's not the grams of protein per bodyweight, it's the grams of protein per LEAN bodyweight. Keywords: LEAN BODYWEIGHT Obese people do not require a linear amount of protein as they get fatter and fatter. It doesn't work that way.
This is correct. Plus Joe Weider cleverly translated kilo's into lbs....so 1 gram per kilo of lean bodyweight became 1 gram per lb total bodyweight.
You do the counting: lot's of chicken and cows could have been saved.... :'(
A hard training 180 lbs bodybuilder has to monitor his calories. Proteins won't be a problem. With enough calories 100 grams of protein daily is more than enough...with the accent on more than...
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no i was deAd serious with my question,brother.
ok, lets replace protein with calories, for the arguments sake.
very interesting post btw, thx for a usefull, informative contribution 8)
Legs workout, regardless of goal is by far most intense workout. I won't give you exact numbers as I don't remember and it is irrelevant due to the fact that everyone is so different but this is the only workout besides back that have any significant influence on number of calories I have to eat in order to maintain my weight.
ps. I've sent you a PM :P
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Probably no difference, really.
How much protein, from your diet, do you think actually goes to building skeletal muscle? And if you do train hard, really, how many grams of protein per training session are you really going to lay down as new muscle tissue? 10-20 grams, if you're extremely lucky.
Most of the protein we over-eat goes towards helping the body accelerate protein turnover (the more you eat, the faster the body turns over its tissues...it's generally wasteful but you send the metabolic signal by overeating protein). You could get by eating far less than 1g/lb of bodyweight, which is excessive.
Not that there's anything wrong with eating too much protein either. It is expensive, mind you.
Furthermore, a skeletal muscle turns itself over about once ever 30 days or so. So let's say you've got 10lbs of muscle in your legs. You can't look at it the way I'm going to explain here, because the human body isn't a bomb calorimeter, but bear with me...
You'd need 4540 grams of protein per month to turn over your legs. You'd need an additional 10 grams per week to support your leg training. So, that's 4540 + 40. That's less than 1% of your protein that you need going to new growth, and the other 99.2% going to tissue maintenance.
So really, eating extra protein for extra growth is a rounding error. Completely over-thinking the details.
Bear in mind, also, that strength training is a powerful anti-catabolic (almost drug-like in its effects on the metabolism). So doing any strength training in the gym will have a whole-body anti-catabolic effect, likely preserving the muscle tissue you do have in your legs. For example, it's near impossible to work your back without training legs. It's near impossible to train your chest without training legs (they brace you during the press).
Were you trolling with the question, Gal, or were you questioning seriously?
BTW, most of my above comments go guys who've been training for a year or two and are nearing their genetic limits.
And of course, drugs change the equation.
Very interesting post snx, many things to be considered here.