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First, they embrace amnesty. Then they'll play ball on tax hikes. Then obamacare is the law of the land.
Now, this? ???
"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Sunday urged members of his party to leave abortion discussions "alone," warning that focusing on the issue puts the Republican Party at risk of alienating young and female voters.
"As far as young women are concerned, absolutely, I don't think anybody like me -- I can state my position on abortion but, other than that, leave the issue alone, when we are in the kind of economic situation and, frankly, national security situation that we're in," McCain said during an appearance on "Fox News Sunday."
"Fox host Chris Wallace asked McCain if that meant he would support "freedom of choice."
"I would allow people to have those opinions and respect those opinions," McCain responded. "I'm proud of my pro-life position and record. But if someone disagrees with me, I respect your views."
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"McCain stressed that the Republican party woud have to make changes to attract the voting groups that put President Obama over the edge, including young voters and women.
"The demographics are not on our side," he said. "We're going to have to give a much more positive agenda. We can't just be against the Democrats ... We have to be for things."
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Wow McCain finally figured something out. It only took 80 years. Abortion and Gay marriage are losing issues for Republicans. Republicans should do an about face on these two issues. The majority of the American people are not with them. The religious right are getting old and dying so stop trying to jump through hoops for them. You still aren't going to win the Presidency for at least a another decade but it would go along way toward repairing your damaged brand. This is what we should be talking about.....
Responsable spending = Hell yes
Balance budget = Hell yes
Reduce national debt = Hell yes
Strong defense = Hell yes
Border security = Hell yes
Amnesty = Fuck no
Obamacare = Fuck no
Abortion = So be it
Gay marriage = Go for it
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republican'ts are the dumbest breed of american't
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republican'ts are the dumbest breed of american't
That was insightfull.
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Wow McCain finally figured something out. It only took 80 years. Abortion and Gay marriage are losing issues for Republicans. Republicans should do an about face on these two issues. The majority of the American people are not with them. The religious right are getting old and dying so stop trying to jump through hoops for them. You still aren't going to win the Presidency for at least a another decade but it would go along way toward repairing your damaged brand. This is what we should be talking about.....
Responsable spending = Hell yes
Balance budget = Hell yes
Reduce national debt = Hell yes
Strong defense = Hell yes
Border security = Hell yes
Amnesty = Fuck no
Obamacare = Fuck no
Abortion = So be it
Gay marriage = Go for it
Yeah, listening to McCain is a formula for winning. The "religious right" is part of the reason the Republicans were winning in the first place. Sell them out and see how far that gets you.
Besides, I'm sure the left thought the GOP wouldn't win another election after Clinton won a second term. Then, we got Bush.
First, they embrace amnesty. Then they'll play ball on tax hikes. Then obamacare is the law of the land.
Now, this? ???
It's called post-election blues. We lost; so, let's sell out our principles and beliefs, hoping the Dems and their constituents will like us. You can go for full-blown amnesty (as Reagan did), pander for gay "marriage" (as Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Jon Huntsman did) and bend over for tax hikes.
Yet, it won't make one bit of difference. You don't beat the far-left by going moderate. You beat them by going conservative, full-bore and unapologetically, which neither of Obama's opponents did.
That, coupled with people reaping the bitter fruits of Obama's stupid policies, will put Republicans back in the winners' circle.
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McCain is 100% correct but the brain dead bible thumpers will never relent
If the party had any brains (which it does not) it would tell the fundies to fuck off (just like Romney effectively told the teabaggers to fuck off at the convention) and sit down and shut up
Fundies will never join the Dem party (maybe a few of the smarter ones will but most will not) and they will have no place to go
they will become irrelevant to the political discourse......as they should be
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McCain is 100% correct but the brain dead bible thumpers will never relent
If the party had any brains (which it does not) it would tell the fundies to fuck off (just like Romney effectively told the teabaggers to fuck off at the convention) and sit down and shut up
And look where that got him. He got FEWER voters than McCain did. Without the "fundies", NO REPUBLICAN has a chance of winning the presidency. The sooner these can't-sell-out-fast-enough-to-appease-Obama Republicans get that, the better.
They wouldn't even have the House, if it weren't for the "fundies".
Fundies will never join the Dem party (maybe a few of the smarter ones will but most will not) and they will have no place to go
they will become irrelevant to the political discourse......as they should be
Hardly!!
Tell the "fundies" to "f^#* off" now, and they'll effectively tell you to do the same on election day.
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And look where that got him. He got FEWER voters than McCain did. Without the "fundies", NO REPUBLICAN has a chance of winning the presidency. The sooner these can't-sell-out-fast-enough-to-appease-Obama Republicans get that, the better.
They wouldn't even have the House, if it weren't for the "fundies".
Hardly!!
Tell the "fundies" to "f^#* off" now, and they'll effectively tell you to do the same on election day.
the fundie morons contributed to the Repub loss in the last election and it will only get worse the next time
don't worry though, I told you that Republicans were too stupid to understand this so I'm sure they will not abandon the brain dead bible thumpers
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the fundie morons contributed to the Repub loss in the last election and it will only get worse the next time
don't worry though, I told you that Republicans were too stupid to understand this so I'm sure they will not abandon the brain dead bible thumpers
Mcway is afraid the GOP will abandon him.
Then he will be all alone :'(
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Mcway is afraid the GOP will abandon him.
Then he will be all alone :'(
I'm sure his butt buddy Lindsey Graham will still talk to him
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the fundie morons contributed to the Repub loss in the last election and it will only get worse the next time
What are you talking about? Romney got FEWER voters than McCain. And considering that Romney won those precious independents, who does that leave out of the equation?
don't worry though, I told you that Republicans were too stupid to understand this so I'm sure they will not abandon the brain dead bible thumpers
And Democrats are too stupid to realize that you don't raise taxes in this type of economy. Nor can you keep people on the government dole indefinitely, before it eventually collapses.
But, as usual, liberals have to learn things the hard way. They (along with you) will be the main ones shocked at Obama's failure to create jobs, lower unemployment, and fix the economy in his second term.....just as he failed to do in his first term.
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What are you talking about? Romney got FEWER voters than McCain. And considering that Romney won those precious independents, who does that leave out of the equation?
And Democrats are too stupid to realize that you don't raise taxes in this type of economy. Nor can you keep people on the government dole indefinitely, before it eventually collapses.
But, as usual, liberals have to learn things the hard way. They (along with you) will be the main ones shocked at Obama's failure to create jobs, lower unemployment, and fix the economy in his second term.....just as he failed to do in his first term.
keep telling yourself all of that
you're the typical Repub that I'm talking about
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Mcway is afraid the GOP will abandon him.
Then he will be all alone :'(
Don't bet on it.
As I said before, this is just the usual post-election blues, which sound virtually identical to 2004 (see my thread on that).
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keep telling yourself all of that
you're the typical Repub that I'm talking about
And you're the typical liberal that I mentioned, actually silly enough to think Obama is going to succeed now, when he failed the last time, doing basically the same stupid stuff.
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And you're the typical liberal that I mentioned, actually silly enough to think Obama is going to succeed now, when he failed the last time, doing basically the same stupid stuff.
Obama has already succeeded and so has the Democratic Party
Jebus Christ Repubs are really fucking stupid
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Obama has already succeeded and so has the Democratic Party
Jebus Christ Repubs are really fucking stupid
You might want to find a mirror, if you're looking for stupid.
My statements were in references to his policies working, as advertised.
What happened to all those "shovel-ready" jobs?
What happened to keeping unemployment under 8% (it's supposed to be around 5% by now)?
What happened to lowering healthcare premiums?
That, and a laundry list of other items (by Obama's standards) make him a failure.
Based on your criticisms of Bush, the concept of a guy being a failed president (even by winning a second term) is hardly lost on you.
So, is the Bush presidency a success or a failure?
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You might want to find a mirror, if you're looking for stupid.
My statements were in references to his policies working, as advertised.
What happened to all those "shovel-ready" jobs?
What happened to keeping unemployment under 8% (it's supposed to be around 5% by now)?
What happened to lowering healthcare premiums?
That, and a laundry list of other items (by Obama's standards) make him a failure.
Based on your criticisms of Bush, the concept of a guy being a failed president (even by winning a second term) is hardly lost on you.
So, is the Bush presidency a success or a failure?
keep telling yourself whatever you want
the fact is that your party lost because your party's ideas suck, your party sucks and your voters suck
hopefully they will double down on all the losing ideas for the next election
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I'm sure his butt buddy Lindsey Graham will still talk to him
Nah Lindsey doesnt like a black ass.
He thinks it gives him AIDS.
You know how much republicans is into science.
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You might want to find a mirror, if you're looking for stupid.
My statements were in references to his policies working, as advertised.
What happened to all those "shovel-ready" jobs?
What happened to keeping unemployment under 8% (it's supposed to be around 5% by now)?
What happened to lowering healthcare premiums?
That, and a laundry list of other items (by Obama's standards) make him a failure.
Based on your criticisms of Bush, the concept of a guy being a failed president (even by winning a second term) is hardly lost on you.
So, is the Bush presidency a success or a failure?
Bush WAS a succes by republicans standards.
He made the rich richer and crashed the country so they could blame it on the next guy.
Mission accomplished.
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keep telling yourself whatever you want
the fact is that your party lost because your party's ideas suck, your party sucks and your voters suck
hopefully they will double down on all the losing ideas for the next election
And when Obama fails again to live up to his promises, what excuses will you use this time around?
Spending you money you don't have and basically paying people to not work, while embracing job-killing policies and regulations are recipes for disaster.
Keep telling yourself you're going to win elections indefinitely with this. BTW, you didn't answer my question as to whether Bush's presidency was a success or failure?
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Bush WAS a succes by republicans standards.
He made the rich richer and crashed the country so they could blame it on the next guy.
Mission accomplished.
Yep. Kinda wish we had that surplus now that Clinton left us with right?
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Yep. Kinda wish we had that surplus now that Clinton left us with right?
No the wars, tax breaks etc was all worth it.
And now its the Dem they blame for the huge deficit.
If ever go into politics i will run as a republican you can sell their voters shit and they will claim its flowers.
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Yeah, because everyone wants time shares in Iraq right? That's why it makes sense that all the Repubs kept crying that our soldiers were over there fighting for our rights and freedom. (Not the Iraqis mind you, but ours) Cause we want the muthafuckin right to walk down to the corner store with our pants hanging off our asses over there.
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And when Obama fails again to live up to his promises, what excuses will you use this time around?
Spending you money you don't have and basically paying people to not work, while embracing job-killing policies and regulations are recipes for disaster.
Keep telling yourself you're going to win elections indefinitely with this. BTW, you didn't answer my question as to whether Bush's presidency was a success or failure?
Obama has already succeeded and will continue to do so
I'm sure you'll run through the same set of delusions and denials with each new success
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Nah Lindsey doesnt like a black ass.
He thinks it gives him AIDS.
You know how much republicans is into science.
I heard that McCain likes to have Lindsey Graham dress up as Margaret Thatcher before they have sex
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I heard that McCain likes to have Lindsey Graham dress up as Margaret Thatcher before they have sex
Its true.
They sometimes have Mcway on he goes down on Lindsey pretending he is his owner and Mcway is their house slave.
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Yeah, listening to McCain is a formula for winning. The "religious right" is part of the reason the Republicans were winning in the first place. Sell them out and see how far that gets you.
Besides, I'm sure the left thought the GOP wouldn't win another election after Clinton won a second term. Then, we got Bush.
It's called post-election blues. We lost; so, let's sell out our principles and beliefs, hoping the Dems and their constituents will like us. You can go for full-blown amnesty (as Reagan did), pander for gay "marriage" (as Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, and Jon Huntsman did) and bend over for tax hikes.
Yet, it won't make one bit of difference. You don't beat the far-left by going moderate. You beat them by going conservative, full-bore and unapologetically, which neither of Obama's opponents did.
That, coupled with people reaping the bitter fruits of Obama's stupid policies, will put Republicans back in the winners' circle.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. The demographics in this country have changed and they are not going to swing back the the other way ever. Republicans need to start learning from their mistakes or they aren't going to win a Presidential election ever again. These are losing issues for them. If they took my strategy it would probably take 20 years but they could get back in the game. This is not post election blues. This is the new reality, ignore it at your own peril.
I agree that Republican should remain conservative but not on these two issues. The public is not with them on this stuff. Most of the females that I personally know voted for Obama because of abortion. Women have drawn a line in the sand on that. If you are personally against abortion, great. No one is forcing Republicans to get abortions. Also there are a shit ton of gays out there. What difference does it make? They are going to be gay regardless. Who is it hurting? They should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Equal protection under the law. The right to pursue happiness, etc. If we keep everything status quo, wait and see what happens in 2016. If you think a Republican is going to win you are out of your f**king mind.
Leftists run the education system, the media and Hollywood. It's a constant stream of liberal BS 24 hours a day. The game is rigged. If Republicans don't throw these small issues overboard we have no chance of winning the big issues. We have to shed petty shit that distracts people from what is really important.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. The demographics in this country have changed and they are not going to swing back the the other way ever. Republicans need to start learning from their mistakes or they aren't going to win a Presidential election ever again. These are losing issues for them. If they took my strategy it would probably take 20 years but they could get back in the game. This is not post election blues. This is the new reality, ignore it at your own peril.
I agree that Republican should remain conservative but not on these two issues. The public is not with them on this stuff. Most of the females that I personally know voted for Obama because of abortion. Women have drawn a line in the sand on that. If you are personally against abortion, great. No one is forcing Republicans to get abortions. Also there are a shit ton of gays out there. What difference does it make? They are going to be gay regardless. Who is it hurting? They should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Equal protection under the law. The right to pursue happiness, etc. If we keep everything status quo, wait and see what happens in 2016. If you think a Republican is going to win you are out of your f**king mind.
Leftists run the education system, the media and Hollywood. It's a constant stream of liberal BS 24 hours a day. The game is rigged. If Republicans don't throw these small issues overboard we have no chance of winning the big issues. We have to shed petty shit that distracts people from what is really important.
Good post.
Does leftists run fox?
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. The demographics in this country have changed and they are not going to swing back the the other way ever. Republicans need to start learning from their mistakes or they aren't going to win a Presidential election ever again. These are losing issues for them. If they took my strategy it would probably take 20 years but they could get back in the game. This is not post election blues. This is the new reality, ignore it at your own peril.
I agree that Republican should remain conservative but not on these two issues. The public is not with them on this stuff. Most of the females that I personally know voted for Obama because of abortion. Women have drawn a line in the sand on that. If you are personally against abortion, great. No one is forcing Republicans to get abortions. Also there are a shit ton of gays out there. What difference does it make? They are going to be gay regardless. Who is it hurting? They should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Equal protection under the law. The right to pursue happiness, etc. If we keep everything status quo, wait and see what happens in 2016. If you think a Republican is going to win you are out of your f**king mind.
Leftists run the education system, the media and Hollywood. It's a constant stream of liberal BS 24 hours a day. The game is rigged. If Republicans don't throw these small issues overboard we have no chance of winning the big issues. We have to shed petty shit that distracts people from what is really important.
good post
I expect we'll see one of McWays standard responses where he'll say that Repubs just need to get more strident and run candidate further to the right and then somehow all those people who reject moderate Repubs will somehow decide to vote for the more extreme Repubs
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. The demographics in this country have changed and they are not going to swing back the the other way ever. Republicans need to start learning from their mistakes or they aren't going to win a Presidential election ever again. These are losing issues for them. If they took my strategy it would probably take 20 years but they could get back in the game. This is not post election blues. This is the new reality, ignore it at your own peril.
I agree that Republican should remain conservative but not on these two issues. The public is not with them on this stuff. Most of the females that I personally know voted for Obama because of abortion. Women have drawn a line in the sand on that. If you are personally against abortion, great. No one is forcing Republicans to get abortions. Also there are a shit ton of gays out there. What difference does it make? They are going to be gay regardless. Who is it hurting? They should be allowed to marry whoever they want. Equal protection under the law. The right to pursue happiness, etc. If we keep everything status quo, wait and see what happens in 2016. If you think a Republican is going to win you are out of your f**king mind.
Leftists run the education system, the media and Hollywood. It's a constant stream of liberal BS 24 hours a day. The game is rigged. If Republicans don't throw these small issues overboard we have no chance of winning the big issues. We have to shed petty shit that distracts people from what is really important.
Nah...most of this is nonsense.
And polls tend to show that only a small % actually require the nominee to align themselves with the voter's views on abortion - hell, u can probably find that on public databases.
And save the bs...cause I'm 100% pro choice.
If you got some data or studies, I have access to academic databases. Feel free to toss them out.
But the data just doesn't support your claim.
Not that Dems (not saying u are one), care about facts, lolol.
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Obama has already succeeded and will continue to do so
I'm sure you'll run through the same set of delusions and denials with each new success
And those success would be...
Lower unemployment? NOPE!!
Lower energy prices? NOPE!!
Halving the deficit? NOPE!!
Getting people off welfare and back to work? NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
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good post
I expect we'll see one of McWays standard responses where he'll say that Repubs just need to get more strident and run candidate further to the right and then somehow all those people who reject moderate Repubs will somehow decide to vote for the more extreme Repubs
Listen to what you just said. If those people rejected "moderate Repubs" (i.e. RINOs who, for all practical purposes, are Democrats), how is going further left going to get their votes again?
Don't bring up the social issues; lay off abortion, gay "marriage", etc. The last two guys did that and got BEAT.
Yet, the last Republican that did such and actually did so in a way that reached out minorities (in 2004) ACTUALLY WON.
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And those success would be...
Lower unemployment? NOPE!!
Lower energy prices? NOPE!!
Halving the deficit? NOPE!!
Getting people off welfare and back to work? NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
news flash
UE is lower than when Obama took office
Energy prices are not controlled by the POTUS and never have been
Deficit has gone down every year since Obama took office starting in 2010 (the projected deficit for 2009 was 1.2 billion before he ever stepped into office and at a time of the worse economic condition in this country since the Great Depression)
You've lied or deluded yourself on each category
Why am I not suprised
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Listen to what you just said. If those people rejected "moderate Repubs" (i.e. RINOs who, for all practical purposes, are Democrats), how is going further left going to get their votes again?
Don't bring up the social issues; lay off abortion, gay "marriage", etc. The last two guys did that and got BEAT.
Yet, the last Republican that did such and actually did so in a way that reached out minorities (in 2004) ACTUALLY WON.
soooo... what the winning plan for Repubs in 2014 or 2016
Is it to run candidates who are even farther to the right ?
yes or no?
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Good post.
Does leftists run fox?
Fox is the Republican needle in the Democrat haystack called the press.
I watch both Fox News and CNN and then try to pull the truth from competing lines of bullshit. These people are all full of shit. MSNBC is the worst of them all and they can suck nuts.
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news flash
UE is lower than when Obama took office
7.6, when he took office; 7.9 now. 8% or higher for most of his first term, except (of course) the month before the election.
Try that again.
Energy prices are not controlled by the POTUS and never have been
Tell that to the folks that blamed Bush for high gas prices, which basically occurred the last year of his presidency but was back down to $1.85, when Obama took office.
Deficit has gone down every year since Obama took office starting in 2010 (the projected deficit for 2009 was 1.2 billion before he ever stepped into office and at a time of the worse economic condition in this country since the Great Depression)
Is that right?
Obama’s response leaves the false impression that President George W. Bush and the 2008 recession are responsible for a whopping 90 percent of the deficits in the last four years.
It’s true that Obama “inherited the biggest deficit in our history,” as he said on CBS. By the time Obama took office in January 2009, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office had already estimated that increased spending and decreased revenues would result in a $1.2 trillion deficit for fiscal year 2009, which began Oct. 1, 2008. In a detailed analysis of fiscal year 2009, we found that Obama was responsible for adding at most $203 billion to the deficit, which in the end topped $1.4 trillion that year.
But that was just the first of four years of trillion-plus deficits. The last three budgets fall squarely under Obama. And, during that time, the federal government ran up deficits of $1.3 trillion in 2010, $1.3 trillion in 2011, and about $1.2 trillion in the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30 — for a total of nearly $5.2 trillion in deficit spending.
Now, affixing responsibility (i.e., blame) for mega-deficits and the ballooning federal debt is filled with ideological landmines. Obama doesn’t take responsibility for war spending, for example, even though he continued the spending and, in fact, increased U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan. He also doesn’t want to take the blame for the expense of creating the Medicare prescription drug program — although his federal health care law increased funding for it. (The law will gradually close the notorious doughnut hole that caused some seniors to pay nearly $2,000 in prescription drug costs because of a gap in coverage.)
Regardless of how you assess blame, this much we can say with certainty: Obama’s policies are responsible for more than 10 percent of the deficits accumulated over the last four years.
Consider that just two pieces of legislation he signed account for nearly a third of the $5.2 trillion in deficits since 2009:
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, better known as the stimulus act, will cost $831 billion through 2019, according to the CBO. The administration estimates the stimulus at $800 billion through 2011.
The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 extended the Bush tax cuts and cut the Social Security payroll tax for two years, as well as provided relief to some taxpayers who otherwise would have had to pay the alternative minimum tax. The 2010 tax act cost nearly $800 billion in 2011 and 2012.
The administration does not take responsibility for all of the spending in the 2010 tax act (which we will detail later). But Treasury accepts that the administration is responsible for another $410 billion in additional tax cuts and spending through 2011.
That means at a minimum the Obama administration is responsible for $2 trillion, or 39 percent of the $5.17 trillion in deficits since fiscal year 2009.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-dodge/
So, if the deficit was 1.2 trillion before he took office (FY 2009) and it's 1.2 trillion NOW, he didn't reduce JACK in his first term. He was supposed to cut it in HALF. He raised the deficit to 1.3 trillion for FY 2010 and FY 2011.
You might not be the best at math; but, half of 1.2 trillion ain't......1.2 TRILLION.
You've lied or deluded yourself on each category
Why am I not suprised
Defending Obama's utter failure, even though the numbers clearly show that he didn't do what he said he would do, regarding unemployment, jobs, and the deficit.
Why am I not surprised?
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Wow McCain finally figured something out. It only took 80 years. Abortion and Gay marriage are losing issues for Republicans. Republicans should do an about face on these two issues. The majority of the American people are not with them. The religious right are getting old and dying so stop trying to jump through hoops for them. You still aren't going to win the Presidency for at least a another decade but it would go along way toward repairing your damaged brand. This is what we should be talking about.....
Responsable spending = Hell yes
Balance budget = Hell yes
Reduce national debt = Hell yes
Strong defense = Hell yes
Border security = Hell yes
Amnesty = Fuck no
Obamacare = Fuck no
Abortion = So be it
Gay marriage = Go for it
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P.I.P. is that a "right on" or a "how dare you". I can't tell if you are a fan or if you hate my guts.
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P.I.P. is that a "right on" or a "how dare you". I can't tell if you are a fan or if you hate my guts.
I'm a fan sir!
You're a man that commands respect.
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I'm a fan sir!
You're a man that commands respect.
Out fucking standing.
Cheers
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Fox is the Republican needle in the Democrat haystack called the press.
I watch both Fox News and CNN and then try to pull the truth from competing lines of bullshit. These people are all full of shit. MSNBC is the worst of them all and they can suck nuts.
Its the most watched network so wouldt that make FOX the haystack and the rest needles?
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7.6, when he took office; 7.9 now. 8% or higher for most of his first term, except (of course) the month before the election.
Try that again.
Tell that to the folks that blamed Bush for high gas prices, which basically occurred the last year of his presidency but was back down to $1.85, when Obama took office.
Is that right?
Obama’s response leaves the false impression that President George W. Bush and the 2008 recession are responsible for a whopping 90 percent of the deficits in the last four years.
It’s true that Obama “inherited the biggest deficit in our history,” as he said on CBS. By the time Obama took office in January 2009, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office had already estimated that increased spending and decreased revenues would result in a $1.2 trillion deficit for fiscal year 2009, which began Oct. 1, 2008. In a detailed analysis of fiscal year 2009, we found that Obama was responsible for adding at most $203 billion to the deficit, which in the end topped $1.4 trillion that year.
But that was just the first of four years of trillion-plus deficits. The last three budgets fall squarely under Obama. And, during that time, the federal government ran up deficits of $1.3 trillion in 2010, $1.3 trillion in 2011, and about $1.2 trillion in the fiscal year that ends Sept. 30 — for a total of nearly $5.2 trillion in deficit spending.
Now, affixing responsibility (i.e., blame) for mega-deficits and the ballooning federal debt is filled with ideological landmines. Obama doesn’t take responsibility for war spending, for example, even though he continued the spending and, in fact, increased U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan. He also doesn’t want to take the blame for the expense of creating the Medicare prescription drug program — although his federal health care law increased funding for it. (The law will gradually close the notorious doughnut hole that caused some seniors to pay nearly $2,000 in prescription drug costs because of a gap in coverage.)
Regardless of how you assess blame, this much we can say with certainty: Obama’s policies are responsible for more than 10 percent of the deficits accumulated over the last four years.
Consider that just two pieces of legislation he signed account for nearly a third of the $5.2 trillion in deficits since 2009:
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, better known as the stimulus act, will cost $831 billion through 2019, according to the CBO. The administration estimates the stimulus at $800 billion through 2011.
The Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010 extended the Bush tax cuts and cut the Social Security payroll tax for two years, as well as provided relief to some taxpayers who otherwise would have had to pay the alternative minimum tax. The 2010 tax act cost nearly $800 billion in 2011 and 2012.
The administration does not take responsibility for all of the spending in the 2010 tax act (which we will detail later). But Treasury accepts that the administration is responsible for another $410 billion in additional tax cuts and spending through 2011.
That means at a minimum the Obama administration is responsible for $2 trillion, or 39 percent of the $5.17 trillion in deficits since fiscal year 2009.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/09/obamas-deficit-dodge/
So, if the deficit was 1.2 trillion before he took office (FY 2009) and it's 1.2 trillion NOW, he didn't reduce JACK in his first term. He was supposed to cut it in HALF. He raised the deficit to 1.3 trillion for FY 2010 and FY 2011.
You might not be the best at math; but, half of 1.2 trillion ain't......1.2 TRILLION.
Defending Obama's utter failure, even though the numbers clearly show that he didn't do what he said he would do, regarding unemployment, jobs, and the deficit.
Why am I not surprised?
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
You fail again Mcway. Facts arent really your strong point, huh?
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Its the most watched network so wouldt that make FOX the haystack and the rest needles?
No it would not in my mind because they are are but one Republican network amongst a shit-ton of Democrat networks. It just so happens that more people choose to watch the lone right slanted network.
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Wow McCain finally figured something out. It only took 80 years. Abortion and Gay marriage are losing issues for Republicans. Republicans should do an about face on these two issues. The majority of the American people are not with them. The religious right are getting old and dying so stop trying to jump through hoops for them. You still aren't going to win the Presidency for at least a another decade but it would go along way toward repairing your damaged brand. This is what we should be talking about.....
Responsable spending = Hell yes
Balance budget = Hell yes
Reduce national debt = Hell yes
Strong defense = Hell yes
Border security = Hell yes
Amnesty = Fuck no
Obamacare = Fuck no
Abortion = So be it
Gay marriage = Go for it
Bro, using common sense and logic to make good points doesn't go very far on this board. (I agree with all of the above)
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http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
You fail again Mcway. Facts arent really your strong point, huh?
Has the deficit been cut in half?
NOPE!!
1.3 Trillion in FY 2010; 1.3 trillion in FY 2011, 1.2 trillion in FY 2012.
You fail, Whork.
In fact, you shot yourself in the foot with the very link you used:
12/31/2008 BUSH $10,699,804,864,612 15.9% 89.0% 8.3% $14,441,400,000,000 74.1% $451,154,049,951 3.1%
12/31/2009 OBAMA $12,311,349,677,512 15.1% $14,256,300,000,000 86.4% $383,071,060,815 2.7%
12/31/2010 OBAMA $14,025,215,218,709 13.9% $14,745,100,000,000 95.1% $413,954,825,362 2.8%
12/31/2011 OBAMA $15,125,898,976,397 7.8% 41.4% 12.2% $15,321,000,000,000 98.7% $454,393,280,417 3.0%
6/30/2012 OBAMA $15,856,367,214,324 4.8%
10.7 trillion when Obama took office; 16 trillion NOW.
More debt by Obama in four years than Bush in EIGHT.
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Interesting how people blame Obama over the deficit yet never acknowledge that it was because of a Republican that we have one in the first place.
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Interesting how people blame Obama over the deficit yet never acknowledge that it was because of a Republican that we have one in the first place.
He has had 4 years to do something about it correct?
He ran on fixing it correct?
Amazing the lack of any responsibility Obama ever gets for anything. Always someone elses fault.
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No it would not in my mind because they are are but one Republican network amongst a shit-ton of Democrat networks. It just so happens that more people choose to watch the lone right slanted network.
If dem have all the power how do you explain the SuperPACS?
You dont think power and money go hand-in-hand?
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Interesting how people blame Obama over the deficit yet never acknowledge that it was because of a Republican that we have one in the first place.
But, when Obama runs his campaign on fixing the debt but instead makes it EVEN LARGER (racking up more in one term than Bush did in two), the blame falls on Obama.
He has had 4 years to do something about it correct?
He ran on fixing it correct?
Amazing the lack of any responsibility Obama ever gets for anything. Always someone elses fault.
Or someTHING else's fault, depending on what day you catch him.
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Has the deficit been cut in half?
NOPE!!
1.3 Trillion in FY 2010; 1.3 trillion in FY 2011, 1.2 trillion in FY 2012.
You fail, Whork.
In fact, you shot yourself in the foot with the very link you used:
12/31/2008 BUSH $10,699,804,864,612 15.9% 89.0% 8.3% $14,441,400,000,000 74.1% $451,154,049,951 3.1%
12/31/2009 OBAMA $12,311,349,677,512 15.1% $14,256,300,000,000 86.4% $383,071,060,815 2.7%
12/31/2010 OBAMA $14,025,215,218,709 13.9% $14,745,100,000,000 95.1% $413,954,825,362 2.8%
12/31/2011 OBAMA $15,125,898,976,397 7.8% 41.4% 12.2% $15,321,000,000,000 98.7% $454,393,280,417 3.0%
6/30/2012 OBAMA $15,856,367,214,324 4.8%
10.7 trillion when Obama took office; 16 trillion NOW.
More debt by Obama in four years than Bush in EIGHT.
No Mcway you owned yourself again by not being able to read and understand numbers. Kind of like your inability to comprehend facts.
Ill help you.
Why do you think it increased the fastest in Bush's last years and in Obama's first?
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But, when Obama runs his campaign on fixing the debt but instead makes it EVEN LARGER (racking up more in one term than Bush did in two), the blame falls on Obama.
Or someTHING else's fault, depending on what day you catch him.
The first year of his term is due to the former administrations policies.
If you thing political and economical change happen in less than 1 year you really should get back to school.
Seriously Mcway if you cant grasp basic concepts why the fuck are you posting?
Stop wasting our time.
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No Mcway you owned yourself again by not being able to read and understand numbers. Kind of like your inability to comprehend facts.
Ill help you.
Why do you think it increased the fastest in Bush's last years and in Obama's first?
The man didn't cut the deficit in half, as he said he would his first term.
Bush: 5 trillion in 8 years; Obama 6 trillion in four. Those are numbers you can't understand. And, notice the site you listed stops at the end of June. We're over 16 trillion now.
So, no matter how you slice it, FY 2010, FY 2011, and FY 2012 are squarely on Obama.
But, don't take my word for it. Look at FactCheck.org
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The first year of his term is due to the former administrations policies.
If you thing political and economical change happen in less than 1 year you really should get back to school.
Seriously Mcway if you cant grasp basic concepts why the fuck are you posting?
Stop wasting our time.
He's been president FOUR YEARS, not one, genius.
You don't get FOUR YEARS to blame your predecessor. You were elected to do a job; you haven't done that job.
He campaigned on cutting the deficit in half BY THE END OF HIS FIRST TERM. Has he done that? NO!!
That's a basic concept you can't quite grasp.
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He's been president FOUR YEARS, not one, genius.
You don't get FOUR YEARS to blame your predecessor. You were elected to do a job; you haven't done that job.
He campaigned on cutting the deficit in half BY THE END OF HIS FIRST TERM. Has he done that? NO!!
That's a basic concept you can't quite grasp.
Racist post reported. ;D
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He's been president FOUR YEARS, not one, genius.
You don't get FOUR YEARS to blame your predecessor. You were elected to do a job; you haven't done that job.
He campaigned on cutting the deficit in half BY THE END OF HIS FIRST TERM. Has he done that? NO!!
That's a basic concept you can't quite grasp.
Look at the chart.
When does the deficit increase the most?
Last year Bush first year Obama correct?
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Look at the chart.
When does the deficit increase the most?
Last year Bush first year Obama correct?
Nope!
It's Obama's between Obama's first and second year.
Dec '08: Bush - 10.7 trillion; Dec '09: Obama - 12.3 trillion.
Difference: 1.6 trillion
Dec '09: Obama - 12.3 trillion; Dec '10: Obama - 14.0 trillion
Difference: 1.7 trillion
Plus, there's the little matter of his CUTTING THE DEFICIT IN HALF, which he didn't do.
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Nope!
It's Obama's between Obama's first and second year.
Dec '08: Bush - 10.7 trillion; Dec '09: Obama - 12.3 trillion.
Difference: 1.6 trillion
Dec '09: Obama - 12.3 trillion; Dec '10: Obama - 14.0 trillion
Difference: 1.7 trillion
Plus, there's the little matter of his CUTTING THE DEFICIT IN HALF, which he didn't do.
And the increase after 1 year of Obama is because of ?
Come on you can do it.
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And the increase after 1 year of Obama is because of ?
Come on you can do it.
And the increase after years 2, 3, and 4 of Obama are because of ?
Come on; you can do it.
Obama said he'd cut the deficit in HALF, by the end of his first term. Did he do such?
Come on; you can do it.
Obama made and EVEN BIGGER DEFICIT, between his first and second year, than he got from Bush his first year. And since the national debt is 16.3 trillion now, that means that by the end of his first term, the increase between years three and four will be almost AS BIG AS (if not BIGGER THAN) what he inherited from Bush.
Nobody is denying what he inherited from Bush. But, you don't get four years to blame your predecessor. At some point, YOU are responsible to do the job you said you would do.
Oh wait! We're talking about liberals here; taking responsibility is strange concept for many of them.
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And the increase after years 2, 3, and 4 of Obama are because of ?
Come on; you can do it.
Obama said he'd cut the deficit in HALF, by the end of his first term. Did he do such?
Come on; you can do it.
Obama made and EVEN BIGGER DEFICIT, between his first and second year, than he got from Bush his first year. And since the national debt is 16.3 trillion now, that means that by the end of his first term, the increase between years three and four will be almost AS BIG AS (if not BIGGER THAN) what he inherited from Bush.
Nobody is denying what he inherited from Bush. But, you don't get four years to blame your predecessor. At some point, YOU are responsible to do the job you said you would do.
Oh wait! We're talking about liberals here; taking responsibility is strange concept for many of them.
You do now that the deficit increases because of past and present spending right? And that spending carries from president to pres?
Look at the growth rate for 2012. And compare that too Bush's best. And this is despite a weak economy and wars.