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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: ChinoXL on December 03, 2005, 01:36:18 PM
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Just got 2 10ml vials of Propiotest 100mg/ml by animal power
3 10ml vials of Enantest 250 by QV
2 10ml vials of Deca 300 by QV
and I had 20 Oxyvet 75mg tabs, 150 or so Oxavet 5mg tabs, 1 vial HCG, 45 Clomid tabs and 30 20mg Nolva tabs left over from previous cycles.
Now I've been off for a good 5 1/2 mos. Shrunk down to 243lbs from 268lbs but maintained most of the strength. Now what I'm asking is how long should I run the Prop? Should I finish with some prop too to work with the anavar in hardening and tapering off the Enanthate?
weeks 1 and 2: 150mgs of Propiotest on Mon and Fri, 200 mgs on Wed
500mgs of Enantest on Tues
300mgs of Deca on Mon mixed with the Prop.
week 3: 200 mgs of Propiotest on Mon, Wed and Fri
750 mgs of Enantest on Tues
450 mgs of Deca on Mon mixed with the Prop.
weeks 4-10: 750 mgs of Enantest on Tues
450 mgs of Deca on Tues
weeks 10-12: 500 mgs of Enantest on Tues
450 mgs of Deca on Tues
30 mgs of Oxyvet ed
week 12 450 mgs of Deca on Tues
35 mgs of Oxyvet ed
weeks 13-16 200 mgs of Propiotest Mon, Wed and Fri
35 mgs of Oxyvet ed
weeks 17 and 18 off
weeks 19 til finished with pct arsenal: how much HCG and how oft? 20 mgs Nolva ed, 100 mgs of Clomid ed.
Any opinions and/or answers, thanx in advance.
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DIVISIONAL CHANGES:
weeks 1 and 2: Test Prop 500MG
Test E 500MG
Deca 300MG
week 3: Test Prop 600MG
Test E 750MG
Deca 450MG
weeks 4-9: Test E 750MG
Deca 450MG
Winstrol 75MG ED
weeks 10-12: Test E 500MG
Deca 450MG
Anavar 30MG ED
weeks 13-16 Test Prop 600MG
Anavar 35MG ED
weeks 1-16 HCG 500IU E5D
Arimidex 1MG EOD
weeks 17 and 18 off
weeks 19 Clomid 100MG ed
Nolvadex 20MG ed
I reformatted your cycle to read how it is SUPPOSED to read. See how much easier this is?
I think you are frontloading too much Test in the first two weeks. You'll be wasting some of it, IMO.
Week 10-12, why are dropping your Test to 500MG when your Deca is 450MG? That's too close and you may have libido issues......Lower your Deca down to 300MG or so to keep that Test:Deca ratio 3:2 at least.
You should be using Arimidex or another AI EOD during your cycle.
You might want to think about picking up some more HCG and running 500IU E5D throughout the entire cycle.
I would throw in at least one more oral anabolic during the bulk of your cycle......Winstrol, perhaps.
DIV
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That's just what I got to work with right now. Don't have a source for arimidex. I also forgot that I do have a bottle of Gaspari Novadex XT. What are you're thoughts on using that throughout the cycle for the anti E effects?
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That's just what I got to work with right now. Don't have a source for arimidex. I also forgot that I do have a bottle of Gaspari Novadex XT. What are you're thoughts on using that throughout the cycle for the anti E effects?
No.
Use an AI like Arimidex/Femara throughout the cycle.
Use an AE like Nolvadex for PCT.
DIV
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I dont like to use test towards the end of my cycles it makes me very bloated, I would just leave it out for the last few weeks.
Depends on what type of Test ester you are using......
Prop is fast acting and it bloats.....
Sustanon is time released and it does not.
DIV
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id like an explanation for that one lol
Test is test, I dont understand how an ester is going to change the fact if it bloats or not
Easy.
The faster the ester is released, the faster the onset of bloat or whatever sides you happen to get from Test........
It's common sense.
Why do you think Prop is associated with sides more so than Sustanon?
It's faster acting, and all effects are manifested right away......both good and bad.
DIV
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How much would you recommend frontloading then DIV? 500 mgs sounds about right to me, but of course I could be wrong. Oh and what is your cycling history and/or chem. expertise? Not to challenge or anything but I've gotten shit advice on this board before from someone regarding cynomel. The arguement that you are making(too much instead of too little), tells me you don't want anyone to get hurt, but I'd still like to know.
Where the hell is Big John when you need him? :-\
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How much would you recommend frontloading then DIV? 500 mgs sounds about right to me, but of course I could be wrong. Oh and what is your cycling history and/or chem. expertise? Not to challenge or anything but I've gotten shit advice on this board before from someone regarding cynomel. The arguement that you are making(too much instead of too little), tells me you don't want anyone to get hurt, but I'd still like to know.
Where the hell is Big John when you need him? :-\
Big John is AWOL. I need to ask Ron and see where him and Hank are......
I'm not a chemist, nor have I run anything over 1G Test for any length of time (6 months).
I only use as much as I need to, still learning how different AAS affect me, like most people I would hope.
That said, I have used all the basic AAS that you guys run, and I know what combinations work best, and how to layer a cycle so everything runs smooth.
Frontloading is something that I don't recommend for newbies or even moderate users.......mainly guys who have at least 6+ cycles under their belt and know themselves and how that much Test saturation at one time will effect them. That way they'll know the sides that happen for them, and can deal.
It's really up in the air as far as if FL is beneficial to a cycle......and it depends on what else you are running as to how effective it CAN be. It'd help if you posted what you want to do......
DIV
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You said that it DOES NOT BLOAT, not that it bloats eventually.
I talk to bigjohn on aim all the time, he is busy getting some shit straight.
It DOES NOT BLOAT for me.
For some others it might.......
DIV