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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Skip8282 on December 08, 2012, 07:34:32 AM
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Not seeing much outrage.
They are already in some new cars without the gov't mandating it.
Think I'm on the fence with this one - but don't buy the safety argument at all.
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Not seeing much outrage.
They are already in some new cars without the gov't mandating it.
Think I'm on the fence with this one - but don't buy the safety argument at all.
Pisses me off... but it's only a matter of time. I have a feeling it's more about the insurance companies saving money than it is about safety. I'm sure eventually they're going to start pushing GPS driven cars on the public, since they will be "safer".
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Yeah the insurance angle is the big one, I think.
But if I'm in an accident and I'm in the right, one of these things could help keep Skip's good name in the clear.
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yup, bull shit....
better not get rid of those old beater cars getbiggers
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The government is nice and would never exploit you. This sounds like a fantastic idea! Let's raise taxes to pay for it so every American can have one of their own!
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Not seeing much outrage.
They are already in some new cars without the gov't mandating it.
Think I'm on the fence with this one - but don't buy the safety argument at all.
In general, I don't like government mandates and would rather if the government didn't seek to expand into every possible book and cranny, like a virus.
With that said, I'm on the fence about this too, if for no other reason, that the data would most likely help my case if I was ever in a car accident. With the way Civil Courts hand out judgements these days (i.e. "you add 6 zeroes at the end of the amount the plaintiff is asking and you pay him!") having data about the accident from an "impartial and rational observer" could help.
Of course that doesn't mean I like the concept. I would have much preferred no government mandate, but the insurance companies saying "we developed this tech. New vehicles that have it get a discount on their premium" and then letting the market decide whether this is something consumers want.
I haven't seen the specifications for the government mandated black boxes but I am curious about some things: is the data stored encrypted and does the law state that the data belongs to the owner of the vehicle? If those two topics ate clarified in the law/rules issued I would feel a lot better about this.
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It should be your own choice, not the governments if you want something like this installed.
You know im not a no taxes guy but government should not have the ability to monitor you like this.
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In general, I don't like government mandates and would rather if the government didn't seek to expand into every possible book and cranny, like a virus.
With that said, I'm on the fence about this too, if for no other reason, that the data would most likely help my case if I was ever in a car accident. With the way Civil Courts hand out judgements these days (i.e. "you add 6 zeroes at the end of the amount the plaintiff is asking and you pay him!") having data about the accident from an "impartial and rational observer" could help.
Of course that doesn't mean I like the concept. I would have much preferred no government mandate, but the insurance companies saying "we developed this tech. New vehicles that have it get a discount on their premium" and then letting the market decide whether this is something consumers want.
I haven't seen the specifications for the government mandated black boxes but I am curious about some things: is the data stored encrypted and does the law state that the data belongs to the owner of the vehicle? If those two topics ate clarified in the law/rules issued I would feel a lot better about this.
Good ideas on the last part. I doubt they would do such a thing though, if they're putting a data recorder in your vehicle, it's probably not "for your eyes only, able to be used at your discretion".
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In general, I don't like government mandates and would rather if the government didn't seek to expand into every possible book and cranny, like a virus.
With that said, I'm on the fence about this too, if for no other reason, that the data would most likely help my case if I was ever in a car accident. With the way Civil Courts hand out judgements these days (i.e. "you add 6 zeroes at the end of the amount the plaintiff is asking and you pay him!") having data about the accident from an "impartial and rational observer" could help.
Of course that doesn't mean I like the concept. I would have much preferred no government mandate, but the insurance companies saying "we developed this tech. New vehicles that have it get a discount on their premium" and then letting the market decide whether this is something consumers want.
I haven't seen the specifications for the government mandated black boxes but I am curious about some things: is the data stored encrypted and does the law state that the data belongs to the owner of the vehicle? If those two topics ate clarified in the law/rules issued I would feel a lot better about this.
This I can get on board with. Give consumers the choice. However, it appears that neither the companies nor Uncle Sam is set on doing so.
This is where a Ron Paul type would be great in the White House.
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i have nothing to hide... hence i do not mind the black box idea at all...
most american'ts have criminal tendencies though so i understand your frustration
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i have nothing to hide... hence i do not mind the black box idea at all...
most american'ts have criminal tendencies though so i understand your frustration
The black box monitors everything related to your driving.. how fast you drive, how hard you break... etc.
BTW your attitude is an epic fail. Just because you have nothing to hide does not make it ok for the government to watch over your shoulder. Quiet a slipper slope. Does privacy mean nothing to people anymore?
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Ive never had black box, came close once though.
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Ive never had black box, came close once though.
Gross.
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The black box monitors everything related to your driving.. how fast you drive, how hard you break... etc.
BTW your attitude is an epic fail. Just because you have nothing to hide does not make it ok for the government to watch over your shoulder. Quiet a slipper slope. Does privacy mean nothing to people anymore?
criminal
you should be executed for being so unpatriotic
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Gross.
Had a fat ass, was super crazy friendly, she worked for one of my clients in the office and we were alone once and she was getting a little touchy feely. Client was out of the office and I had to drop something off. Could have done it, but chose not to.
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criminal
you should be executed for being so unpatriotic
Ah. I see. I have been trolled.
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Ah. I see. I have been trolled.
no
executed
this is not life
this is getbig
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I remember Progressive Insurance offered this around 2 years ago.
They would install a device which "tracks all the parameters of travel, including speed, time, mileage and distance, as well as how frequently the brakes are used and how quickly the car stops, and wirelessly transmits the data back to the company, which adjusts your insurance rates on how well - or poorly - you drive."
I guess it won't be long before insurance companies lobby and push to make this crap mandatory.
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I remember Progressive Insurance offered this around 2 years ago.
They would install a device which "tracks all the parameters of travel, including speed, time, mileage and distance, as well as how frequently the brakes are used and how quickly the car stops, and wirelessly transmits the data back to the company, which adjusts your insurance rates on how well - or poorly - you drive."
I guess it won't be long before insurance companies lobby and push to make this crap mandatory.
"Snapshot" discount or some bullshit.
I can't imagine citizens would ever let that happen, but I've long ago given up faith in humanity.
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"Snapshot" discount or some bullshit.
I can't imagine citizens would ever let that happen, but I've long ago given up faith in humanity.
We will accept it and make excuses and rationalizations for it, just like O-GhettoCare
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"Snapshot" discount or some bullshit.
I can't imagine citizens would ever let that happen, but I've long ago given up faith in humanity.
The discount was minuscule, something like 5%.
Most people wouldn't even notice the device or would accept thinking "I'm a safe driver" or "How nice, they're looking out for me". Or of course they might have limited choice if this will be pushed by the major insurance companies.
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The discount was minuscule, something like 5%.
Most people wouldn't even notice the device or would accept thinking "I'm a safe driver" or "How nice, they're looking out for me". Or of course they might have limited choice if this will be pushed by the major insurance companies.
Im sure the discount given was far outweighed by the potential increase in premium if they decided you weren't a "safe" driver.
I don't think your average person realizes how often they bend the rules while driving, going a little over, braking a bit too hard, changing lanes too fast, forgetting their seat belts... etc, etc, etc. Bet there would be a shit ton of pissed off citizens when their rates skyrocket because they're labeled "high risk" for going a couple miles an hour over the limit.
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We will accept it and make excuses and rationalizations for it, just like O-GhettoCare
You are comparing a program by an insurance company with voluntary participation to Obamacare, a government program with (essentially) mandatory participation? You are a troll. Can't you have one discussion that doesn't revolve around Obama for crying out loud!? Just one!
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You are comparing a program by an insurance company with voluntary participation to Obamacare, a government program with (essentially) mandatory participation? You are a troll. Can't you have one discussion that doesn't revolve around Obama for crying out loud!? Just one!
The insurance industry will demand mandatory participation in this just likee Obamacare, get the criminal govt to pass a law mandating it, and bingo.
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The insurance industry will demand mandatory participation in this just likee Obamacare, get the criminal govt to pass a law mandating it, and bingo.
That is a concern, but it's not unique to this situation.
I don't want the government mandating what cars must and must not have, although I do think that some some degree of regulation is sensible; the government can set rules on the vehicles that operate on its roads. With that said, I don't think that should give the government a blank check to regulate vehicle design.
But to be clear, you don't have a problem with a voluntary system where insurance companies offer incentives to customers with such black boxes in their vehicles?
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That is a concern, but it's not unique to this situation.
I don't want the government mandating what cars must and must not have, although I do think that some some degree of regulation is sensible; the government can set rules on the vehicles that operate on its roads. With that said, I don't think that should give the government a blank check to regulate vehicle design.
But to be clear, you don't have a problem with a voluntary system where insurance companies offer incentives to customers with such black boxes in their vehicles?
Voluntary no. But lets get real - we all know where this is going eventually.
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Voluntary no. But lets get real - we all know where this is going eventually.
That's a fair point. But this is one of those corner cases where I could argue things either way with almost equal effectiveness. Whenever I come across one of these I tend to err on the side of caution and stick with "No. The Government shouldn't muck with this" but to be honest, I don't see this case as a huge issue if proper safeguards for the data were put into effect and it was made explicit that (a) the data belongs to the owner of the vehicle and (b) consent is required for accessing it (absent a warrant to be issued only on probable cause).
Keep in mind that most newish cars have such "black boxes" already, although they currently "trigger" only when the car is involved in an accident and record data for only a few short seconds. Car companies supposedly use the data to improve the airbag deployment algorithms and other car safety systems.
I'll tell you that if the right safeguards are there (and it's possible to implement such safeguards) I can deal with that.
Your mileage may vary.
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That's a fair point. But this is one of those corner cases where I could argue things either way with almost equal effectiveness. Whenever I come across one of these I tend to err on the side of caution and stick with "No. The Government shouldn't muck with this" but to be honest, I don't see this case as a huge issue if proper safeguards for the data were put into effect and it was made explicit that (a) the data belongs to the owner of the vehicle and (b) consent is required for accessing it (absent a warrant to be issued only on probable cause).
Keep in mind that most newish cars have such "black boxes" already, although they currently only "trigger" only when the car is involved in an accident and record data for only a few short seconds. Car companies supposedly use the data to improve the airbag deployment algorithms and other car safety systems.
I'll tell you that if the right safeguards are there (and it's possible to implement such safeguards) I can deal with that.
Your mileage may vary.
im a cynical prick and feel that a whole crisis will be created by the media after a few high prpfile cases, the pols will scream "we need to do something . . . " next thing you know lw passed. bingo
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tough one here. i'd guess more than half the people on the road in broke ass south florida don't carry insurance.
if EVERY car had a black box, surely they'd tie it to insurance - a nice cool kill switch, so you can't start the car unless your insurance is current.
it sure would clear up the roads for the morning drives :)