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Title: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: War-Horse on December 09, 2012, 01:42:46 PM
78 billion a year.
http://grist.org/energy-policy/2011-07-29-we-can-save-78-billion-by-ending-oil-and-gas-subsidies/


Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: Purge_WTF on December 09, 2012, 04:43:56 PM
It's socialism for the rich. It needs to end but it won't. Big business is in bed with big government.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: whork on December 10, 2012, 08:00:29 AM
And yet we have people on this board like 33, Tony, Mcway etc defending this shit.

Must be a case of Stockholm syndrome.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: Archer77 on December 10, 2012, 08:05:54 AM
Rich people are against government handouts only when given to the poor.  They preach the gospel of free markets but half of these corporations would be dead in the water without government.  This goes for any person who started a small business with a loan from the government.  Small business loans from the government is a handout as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: War-Horse on December 11, 2012, 04:05:20 PM
Rich people are against government handouts only when given to the poor.  They preach the gospel of free markets but half of these corporations would be dead in the water without government.  This goes for any person who started a small business with a loan from the government.  Small business loans from the government is a handout as far as I'm concerned.


true.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: GigantorX on December 11, 2012, 05:42:11 PM
I don't believe in subsidies for any businesses, via tax code, tax money or otherwise.

This nation has wasted a shit ton of capital on supporting businesses that don't need subsidies and businesses that can't compete without them.

Bad.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
so let me get this clear

you want to add 78B taxes to oil companies

who will simply raise gas prices

do you want $20 gas?
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: GigantorX on December 11, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
so let me get this clear

you want to add 78B taxes to oil companies

who will simply raise gas prices

do you want $20 gas?

Maybe we should be exposed to the true cost of our energy consumption?
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
I personally think atomic is the way to go and the move to hydrogen fuel cells with hydrogen supplies created with atomic power and seawater.

i think its insane to make energy more expensive

oil companies do great job creating great product that all of us benefit greatly from and the deficit spending by obama dems and fed caused prices to goto 5 from 1.5

I say we do opposite.

end all taxes on energy and end all penalties to production
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: tbombz on December 11, 2012, 10:41:58 PM
Depends on two things.   Whether you believe its the governments job to forcibly prevent damage to the environment and whethe you think the burning of fossil fuels is damaging the environment.  If you answer no to either one of those then the tax breaks are probably good. 
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 11:13:20 PM
Depends on two things.   Whether you believe its the governments job to forcibly prevent damage to the environment and whethe you think the burning of fossil fuels is damaging the environment.  If you answer no to either one of those then the tax breaks are probably good. 

you are free to use a bike and to eat your own shit
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: tbombz on December 11, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
Does the government have the responsibility to prevent an environmental catastrophe caused by the actions of individuals and whose ill effects will infringe upon the prosperity of others?
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: Purge_WTF on December 12, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
Does the government have the responsibility to prevent an environmental catastrophe caused by the actions of individuals and whose ill effects will infringe upon the prosperity of others?

 It has the responsibility to enforce reasonable environmental laws, and to hold the people who break those laws accountable.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: Archer77 on December 12, 2012, 07:58:55 AM
It has the responsibility to enforce reasonable environmental laws, and to hold the people who break those laws accountable.

reasonable is a pretty ambiguous term.  How you and I define reasonable can vary greatly.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: tonymctones on December 12, 2012, 08:13:12 AM
And yet we have people on this board like 33, Tony, Mcway etc defending this shit.

Must be a case of Stockholm syndrome.
where did I defend this you mental Pygmy?

Try educating yourself instead of sticking words in other ppls mouths
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: bears on December 12, 2012, 08:14:19 AM
I don't believe in subsidies for any businesses, via tax code, tax money or otherwise.
supporting businesses that don't need subsidies and businesses that can't compete without them.


This nation has wasted a shit ton of capital on Bad.

agree.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: bears on December 12, 2012, 08:16:28 AM
"subsidizing oil companies is bad.  subsidizing the auto industry saves jobs.  because oil is bad.  and cars are good.  people who work for oil companies are bad.  people who work for auto makers need our help!"

-liberals on this board
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 12, 2012, 08:58:43 AM
"subsidizing oil companies is bad.  subsidizing the auto industry saves jobs.  because oil is bad.  and cars are good.  people who work for oil companies are bad.  people who work for auto makers need our help!"

-liberals on this board


 ;D
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: tonymctones on December 12, 2012, 09:19:05 AM
"subsidizing oil companies is bad.  subsidizing the auto industry saves jobs.  because oil is bad.  and cars are good.  people who work for oil companies are bad.  people who work for auto makers need our help!"

-liberals on this board
Hahah brilliant liberal logic...
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: War-Horse on December 12, 2012, 11:14:37 AM
"subsidizing oil companies is bad.  subsidizing the auto industry saves jobs.  because oil is bad.  and cars are good.  people who work for oil companies are bad.  people who work for auto makers need our help!"

-liberals on this board


So your assuming the profits of the oil companies and the auto companies are the same?  One has un believable profits and is doing fine...the other almost collapsed and would have put a million workers out of work (Had it not been for the subsidy)

This is like giving 100 dollars to the billionaire vs someone in actual need.

Do you actually need someone to explain the difference to you????  Sarah palin moment I guess???
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: tonymctones on December 12, 2012, 12:03:10 PM

So your assuming the profits of the oil companies and the auto companies are the same?  One has un believable profits and is doing fine...the other almost collapsed and would have put a million workers out of work (Had it not been for the subsidy)

This is like giving 100 dollars to the billionaire vs someone in actual need.

Do you actually need someone to explain the difference to you????  Sarah palin moment I guess???
So you're ok with subsidies but only for those companies that are poorly managed...got it!!!
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: whork on December 12, 2012, 12:24:55 PM

So your assuming the profits of the oil companies and the auto companies are the same?  One has un believable profits and is doing fine...the other almost collapsed and would have put a million workers out of work (Had it not been for the subsidy)

This is like giving 100 dollars to the billionaire vs someone in actual need.

Do you actually need someone to explain the difference to you????  Sarah palin moment I guess???

Lol teddy bear got roastet
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: bears on December 12, 2012, 01:33:00 PM

So your assuming the profits of the oil companies and the auto companies are the same?  One has un believable profits and is doing fine...the other almost collapsed and would have put a million workers out of work (Had it not been for the subsidy)

This is like giving 100 dollars to the billionaire vs someone in actual need.

Do you actually need someone to explain the difference to you????  Sarah palin moment I guess???

is this where i have to explain working capital, cash flow, income tax provisions, and basically a bunch of terms only the adults on this board understand?  seriously it's like discussing economics with my 5 year old.  just stop OK.  you're seriously outclassed here.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: bears on December 12, 2012, 01:38:16 PM
furthermore.  exactly which subsidies do you have a problem with?

just like when people say "tax cuts for the rich"; i don't let them get away with that without explainnig the specific tax cuts that they have a problem with. 

so i ask you.  which subsidies do you have a problem with?  or did you just read an article that dripped with liberal bias and blindly choose to agree with it because well, that's all you do?  fucking lemming.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: bears on December 12, 2012, 01:42:47 PM
So you're ok with subsidies but only for those companies that are poorly managed...got it!!!

right?  only give money to corporations who don't turn profits???!!!!  these are the uneducated liberal fucks who tune into the liberal tv and radio stations who tell them that "corporate profits" is a swear word.  it's really unbelievable.  i mean really unbelieveable
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: Shockwave on December 12, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
I don't think it would matter, if we ended the subsidies they would find a way to pass the cost on to the consumer as business' usually do. Their profit margins won't take a hit.

I could be wrong, and if I am, I'd appreciate someone to explain it to me.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: blacken700 on December 12, 2012, 01:58:03 PM
right?  only give money to corporations who don't turn profits???!!!!  these are the uneducated liberal fucks who tune into the liberal tv and radio stations who tell them that "corporate profits" is a swear word.  it's really unbelievable.  i mean really unbelieveable, well that's what rush told me

Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: bears on December 12, 2012, 02:28:06 PM


which subsidies are YOU against exactly?  should i keep asking this or just assume that when some liberal hack writes an article with the words "oil" and "corporate profits" in it you believe it no matter what the content?  yeah thats what i thought.
Title: Re: Welfare for oil companies. Do we need to keep this going?
Post by: tbombz on December 12, 2012, 03:19:14 PM
Shockwave-  the oil companies would probably pass the cost onto the consumer but due to higher priced gasoline people will drive less and because of that the oil companies will make less money.