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Title: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 17, 2012, 06:58:26 PM
‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’ — Find Out Who Said This About Sandy Hook
 The Blaze ^ | 12/17/12 | Jason Howerton

Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 8:27:06 PM by Nachum

The owner of Thai Noodle House in Austin, Texas has been bombarded with criticism after he posted a racially-charged and offensive Facebook status regarding the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. On Friday, a gunman opened fire at the school, killing 20 innocent children and six adults before he took his own life.

“I don’t care if a bunch of white kids got killed,” the restaurant’s owner Eddie Nimibutr wrote on his Facebook page shortly after the shooting occurred. “F**k Post-Racial bullsh*t. When kids from minority groups get shot, nobody cares. When Israel launched missiles at the school on Gaza, everybody was too busy jerking off. Why should i care about people who dont give a damn about me?”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 17, 2012, 07:00:47 PM
‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’ — Find Out Who Said This About Sandy Hook
 The Blaze ^ | 12/17/12 | Jason Howerton

Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 8:27:06 PM by Nachum

The owner of Thai Noodle House in Austin, Texas has been bombarded with criticism after he posted a racially-charged and offensive Facebook status regarding the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. On Friday, a gunman opened fire at the school, killing 20 innocent children and six adults before he took his own life.

“I don’t care if a bunch of white kids got killed,” the restaurant’s owner Eddie Nimibutr wrote on his Facebook page shortly after the shooting occurred. “F**k Post-Racial bullsh*t. When kids from minority groups get shot, nobody cares. When Israel launched missiles at the school on Gaza, everybody was too busy jerking off. Why should i care about people who dont give a damn about me?”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...

He has a point, I don't give a flying fuck about him and wouldn't give a shit if he dropped dead right now.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: andreisdaman on December 17, 2012, 07:04:58 PM
‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’ — Find Out Who Said This About Sandy Hook
 The Blaze ^ | 12/17/12 | Jason Howerton

Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 8:27:06 PM by Nachum

The owner of Thai Noodle House in Austin, Texas has been bombarded with criticism after he posted a racially-charged and offensive Facebook status regarding the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. On Friday, a gunman opened fire at the school, killing 20 innocent children and six adults before he took his own life.

“I don’t care if a bunch of white kids got killed,” the restaurant’s owner Eddie Nimibutr wrote on his Facebook page shortly after the shooting occurred. “F**k Post-Racial bullsh*t. When kids from minority groups get shot, nobody cares. When Israel launched missiles at the school on Gaza, everybody was too busy jerking off. Why should i care about people who dont give a damn about me?”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...


If a black guy had said this, this thread would have 200 posts by now ::)
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Skip8282 on December 17, 2012, 07:09:14 PM
If a black guy had said this, this thread would have 200 posts by now ::)

::)

If a white guy had a said this it would be on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, CBS, BBC, RT, Washington Post.

Jesse would be acting like it's common place amongst white people.

Al would be milking the shit out of it.

Reid and Pelosi would be attacking as though it's the worst crime ever committed (while calling you the 'N' word behind your back).
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 17, 2012, 07:13:10 PM
::)

If a white guy had a said this it would be on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, ABC, CBS, BBC, RT, Washington Post.

Jesse would be acting like it's common place amongst white people.

Al would be milking the shit out of it.

Reid and Pelosi would be attacking as though it's the worst crime ever committed (while calling you the 'N' word behind your back).
Lol, oh man, if a white guy said that he'd have to change his name and disappear, lol.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 17, 2012, 07:13:17 PM
If a black guy had said this, this thread would have 200 posts by now ::)

Jamie Foxx said the same thing and you idiots said nothing condeming him  
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: tonymctones on December 17, 2012, 07:16:31 PM
If a black guy had said this, this thread would have 200 posts by now ::)
The amount of racism by blacks that gets a pass in this country is absurd.

Im guessing you havent heard anything about the ESPN commentator who went off on some racist uncle tom rant on RG3 have you?
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Archer77 on December 17, 2012, 07:21:34 PM
The amount of racism by blacks that gets a pass in this country is absurd.

Im guessing you havent heard anything about the ESPN commentator who went off on some racist uncle tom rant on RG3 have you?

The difference is that they feel justified being racist and white people are to afraid to call them on their BS in fear of being called a racist.   A great deal of power can be derived from guilt.   It's Nietzsche's Master/Slave morality in action. 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 17, 2012, 07:22:25 PM
The difference is that they feel justified being racist and white people are to afraid to call them on their BS in fear of being called a racist.   A great deal of power can be derived from guilt.   It's Nietzsche's Master/Slave morality in action. 

If all his white customers left  - where would this idiot be left? 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: 240 is Back on December 17, 2012, 07:30:24 PM
why would any respectable news org give this fool a platform for spewing his nonsense?

And their tactic "click here to see who said it".... fcck, that's just sad.   

journalism sucks these days.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 17, 2012, 07:33:28 PM
The difference is that they feel justified being racist and white people are to afraid to call them on their BS in fear of being called a racist.   A great deal of power can be derived from guilt.   It's Nietzsche's Master/Slave morality in action. 
Fuck that noise, I call them out all the time. They (people I've known/worked with) just laugh and tell me that they're allowed to be racist because they aren't white.

Were usually just fucking with each other as we all tell horribly racist jokes about each other, but there is an element of truth behind it.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Archer77 on December 17, 2012, 07:34:13 PM
If all his white customers left  - where would this idiot be left? 

He would be out of business.  I don't know what this guy was thinking.  Seems a like a horrible business strategy to go around making insensitive comments like this.

Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 17, 2012, 07:36:18 PM
If a black guy had said this, this thread would have 200 posts by now ::)

That's because Asians are almost always mannerly, productive members of society.  This kind of thing is far from the norm.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 17, 2012, 07:37:15 PM
That's because Asians are almost always mannerly, productive members of society.  This kind of thing is far from the norm.
Eddie Nimibutr does not sound like a usual chink, korean, or nip TBH 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 17, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
He would be out of business.  I don't know what this guy was thinking.  Seems a like a horrible business strategy to go around making insensitive comments like this.


Thing is most white people don't give a shit when people make racist comments towards them (and rightfully so).

The people that usually get super offended over racist comments are minorities and super liberal white people (only when its made against another race, never there own).

I don't understand why people get so butthurt about racist comments. It's a fucking dumb thing to get offended by.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: tonymctones on December 17, 2012, 07:39:47 PM
He would be out of business.  I don't know what this guy was thinking.  Seems a like a horrible business strategy to go around making insensitive comments like this.


Austin is the libtard pocket of Texas, plenty of libtards to fill his resteraunt.

I wouldnt be surprised if he saw a bump in business after this.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 17, 2012, 07:40:53 PM
If a black guy had said this, this thread would have 200 posts by now ::)

Quick questions Andre, unrelated... I do apologize.


Do you re-rack your weights at the gym?

???
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 17, 2012, 07:41:49 PM
Austin is the libtard pocket of Texas, plenty of libtards to fill his resteraunt.

I wouldnt be surprised if he saw a bump in business after this.



LOL.   The guilt ridden white liberal pofs panzie customer base - nice!   Maybe he can piss and shit in their food and they really will come back for more!  
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Archer77 on December 17, 2012, 07:43:53 PM
Thing is most white people don't give a shit when people make racist comments towards them (and rightfully so).

The people that usually get super offended over racist comments are minorities and super liberal white people (only when its made against another race, never there own).

I don't understand why people get so butthurt about racist comments. It's a fucking dumb thing to get offended by.

Because the ability to cause shame brings a tremendous amount of power particularly when you have no other means. Master/Slave morality.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 17, 2012, 07:47:18 PM
Because the ability to cause shame brings a tremendous amount of power.  
My question is why do they feel so strongly shamed by those kind of comments? Why can't they just laugh and brush it off like so many people do?
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 17, 2012, 07:47:20 PM
Because the ability to cause shame brings a tremendous amount of power particularly when you have no other means. Master/Slave morality.

Not with me - maybe with liberal clowns and guilt ridden white dorks and leftist dweebs.  Ill stick w protein shakes and oats for the time being.  
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: 240 is Back on December 17, 2012, 07:54:58 PM
i can aleady predict... this doofus, and beck's news site giving him the spotlight... just gave Beck material for his show this week.  I can just hear tomorrow's show now "this guy is clearly representative of the liberal mindest" so his viewers will assign this outlier nutjob's belief to anyone who didn't have a romney sign in their yard.

looking fwd to listening tomorrow. 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Archer77 on December 17, 2012, 08:00:39 PM
My question is why do they feel so strongly shamed by those kind of comments? Why can't they just laugh and brush it off like so many people do?

Let me be clear, white people are being shamed.  A large majority of white people feel personally responsible for the mistreated of blacks in the United States, which is absolutely ridiculous as they had nothing to do with it.  By feeding into that white guilt you can manipulate people into doing what you want. When you feel bad about offending someone you will do anything to placate them and in turn alleviate your sense of guilt.  
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 17, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
Let me be clear, white people are being shamed.  A large majority of white people feel personally responsible for the mistreated of blacks in the United States, which is absolutely ridiculous as they had nothing to do with it.  By feeding into that white guilt you can manipulate people into doing what you want. When you feel bad about offending someone you will do anything to placate them and in turn alleviate your sense of guilt.  

I'm not sure if you're aware, and I don't know if the curriculum is the same as it was but...

From 4th to 12th grade (when I was in school) they push this big time.  How our ancestors were evil, how we've held black people back, etc... 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 17, 2012, 08:05:38 PM
Let me be clear, white people are being shamed.  A large majority of white people feel personally responsible for the mistreated of blacks in the United States, which is absolutely ridiculous as they had nothing to do with it.  By feeding into that white guilt you can manipulate people into doing what you want. When you feel bad about offending someone you will do anything to placate them and in turn alleviate your sense of guilt.  
Stupidity. Utter stupidity on those peoples parts. They never owned a slave, and neither did any member of their family that they've ever known. They have no moral obligation to feel bad for something that occured 150 years before they even existed. I don't understand that kind of shit.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Archer77 on December 17, 2012, 08:10:05 PM
I'm not sure if you're aware, and I don't know if the curriculum is the same as it was but...

From 4th to 12th grade (when I was in school) they push this big time.  How our ancestors were evil, how we've held black people back, etc...  

I've taught history in the public school system and I made sure to differentiate between the people in the past and the people in the present. I also stressed that is was important to understand historical events in their proper context.  For some people its impossible to understand this.  

Stupidity. Utter stupidity on those peoples parts. They never owned a slave, and neither did any member of their family that they've ever known. They have no moral obligation to feel bad for something that occured 150 years before they even existed. I don't understand that kind of shit.

Exactly.   What they don't realize is that believing this is a form of prejudice. 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 17, 2012, 08:16:05 PM
I've taught history in the public school system and I made sure to differentiate between the people in the past and the people in the present. I also stressed that is was important to understand historical events in their proper context.  For some people its impossible to understand this.  

Exactly.   What they don't realize is that believing this is a form of prejudice. 

Good to know, I bet you were an excellent teacher.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: OzmO on December 17, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
He has a point, I don't give a flying fuck about him and wouldn't give a shit if he dropped dead right now.

lolololol   ;D
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Radical Plato on December 18, 2012, 12:36:38 AM
‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
At first I thought this was going to be a thread about an NRA gun loving NUT who actually told the truth about their feelings.  Either way, that is the way they feel, either that or they do care, but just not as much as shooting at tin cans for recreation.  If you were to ask a gun nut, would they rather prevent children being murdered or have the right to shoot bullets at inanimate objects, well, we all know what the answer would be.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: James28 on December 18, 2012, 01:29:54 AM
Jamie Foxx said the same thing and you idiots said nothing condeming him  

Because, and lets be honest here, we don't give a fuck what the mud people think/say. It simply carries no serious weight.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: tonymctones on December 18, 2012, 04:11:57 AM
At first I thought this was going to be a thread about an NRA gun loving NUT who actually told the truth about their feelings.  Either way, that is the way they feel, either that or they do care, but just not as much as shooting at tin cans for recreation.  If you were to ask a gun nut, would they rather prevent children being murdered or have the right to shoot bullets at inanimate objects, well, we all know what the answer would be.
what eurotrash country are you from again?
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2012, 04:42:00 AM
At first I thought this was going to be a thread about an NRA gun loving NUT who actually told the truth about their feelings.  Either way, that is the way they feel, either that or they do care, but just not as much as shooting at tin cans for recreation.  If you were to ask a gun nut, would they rather prevent children being murdered or have the right to shoot bullets at inanimate objects, well, we all know what the answer would be.

Whatever.     Go watch crocodile Dundee
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 07:02:44 AM
At first I thought this was going to be a thread about an NRA gun loving NUT who actually told the truth about their feelings.  Either way, that is the way they feel, either that or they do care, but just not as much as shooting at tin cans for recreation.  If you were to ask a gun nut, would they rather prevent children being murdered or have the right to shoot bullets at inanimate objects, well, we all know what the answer would be.

Good post.

Instead of just calling names can one of you respond intelligently to the last sentence?
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2012, 07:09:40 AM
Good post.

Instead of just calling names can one of you respond intelligently to the last sentence?

As if banning guns is going to stop anything?   Lol. 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 07:11:25 AM
As if banning guns is going to stop anything?   Lol. 

I said intelligently.

Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2012, 07:12:38 AM
I said intelligently.



Doesn't take an essay to destroy your straw man pap.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 07:35:53 AM
Doesn't take an essay to destroy your straw man pap.

Then waste your time as always.

Hopefully a poster with substance will reply.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: OzmO on December 18, 2012, 07:46:55 AM
Good post.

Instead of just calling names can one of you respond intelligently to the last sentence?

I am not a gun nut.  Don't even own a gun.  Been thinking about buying a shot gun for several years now.

But the question in the last sentence of the post assumes some false things.

1.  Making guns illegal will not prevent children from being shot
2.  Most gun owners don't keep guns for the primary purpose of shotting at inanimate objects
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 09:20:39 AM
I am not a gun nut.  Don't even own a gun.  Been thinking about buying a shot gun for several years now.

But the question in the last sentence of the post assumes some false things.

1.  Making guns illegal will not prevent children from being shot
2.  Most gun owners don't keep guns for the primary purpose of shotting at inanimate objects

Thank you.

If weapons is harder to get hold of it might actually prevent people from getting shot.
If will also prevent a lot of "impulsive" homicides.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: OzmO on December 18, 2012, 09:28:55 AM
Thank you.

If weapons is harder to get hold of it might actually prevent people from getting shot.
If will also prevent a lot of "impulsive" homicides.

Thoughts?

Those are the main arguments in my mind that makes sense.

But its not practical in implement.  How are we going to take a culture who has had the 2nd amendment for 230+ years and change that?

How are we going to:

Get all the guns out of people homes?
Not completely ruin an industry?
Tell people they can't protect their families and homes with guns?

Not going to happen.


Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2012, 09:29:04 AM
This was well planned.  
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: OzmO on December 18, 2012, 11:01:27 AM
what?
This was well planned. 
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 18, 2012, 11:17:18 AM
what?

The kid went to Dick's a week before to try to buy a gun and was rejected.   This whole thing was premeditated
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: OzmO on December 18, 2012, 11:22:25 AM
The kid went to Dick's a week before to try to buy a gun and was rejected.   This whole thing was premeditated

The argument about "in the heat of passion or impulse" doesn't apply to this event.  But it does apply to the overall argument against gun control.

Saying this was well planned as a argument to "in the heat of passion or impulse" falls flat and doesn't relate.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: whork on December 18, 2012, 01:36:32 PM
Those are the main arguments in my mind that makes sense.

But its not practical in implement.  How are we going to take a culture who has had the 2nd amendment for 230+ years and change that?

How are we going to:

Get all the guns out of people homes?
Not completely ruin an industry?
Tell people they can't protect their families and homes with guns?

Not going to happen.




Agree.

Its a tough choice.

Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on December 18, 2012, 04:11:15 PM
‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’ — Find Out Who Said This About Sandy Hook
 The Blaze ^ | 12/17/12 | Jason Howerton

Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 8:27:06 PM by Nachum

The owner of Thai Noodle House in Austin, Texas has been bombarded with criticism after he posted a racially-charged and offensive Facebook status regarding the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. On Friday, a gunman opened fire at the school, killing 20 innocent children and six adults before he took his own life.

“I don’t care if a bunch of white kids got killed,” the restaurant’s owner Eddie Nimibutr wrote on his Facebook page shortly after the shooting occurred. “F**k Post-Racial bullsh*t. When kids from minority groups get shot, nobody cares. When Israel launched missiles at the school on Gaza, everybody was too busy jerking off. Why should i care about people who dont give a damn about me?”


(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...



As bad as it sounds...he is somewhat right
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Radical Plato on December 18, 2012, 09:30:14 PM
Those are the main arguments in my mind that makes sense.

But its not practical in implement.  How are we going to take a culture who has had the 2nd amendment for 230+ years and change that?

How are we going to:

Get all the guns out of people homes?
Not completely ruin an industry?
Tell people they can't protect their families and homes with guns?

Not going to happen.



1) It's called buyback, the government pays for the guns (That's what Australia did)
2) Industries die all the time, when the car was invented, blacksmiths retrained and got another job.  People lose jobs all the time. No big deal THAT'S LIFE
3) What do you need protection from, do you live in a WAR ZONE?  Have you not heard of security locks, cameras, alarms and THE POLICE, plus your also 5 times more likely to be killed if armed during a crime than if you aren't. (safer to not have GUNS - this is statistically true, although a gun nut will deny this every-time).  if you are that afraid, you flee the situation, Not try and be a hero.  Americans must be the most terrified human beings on planet earth.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: OzmO on December 18, 2012, 09:37:35 PM
1) It's called buyback, the government pays for the guns (That's what Australia did)
2) Industries die all the time, when the car was invented, blacksmiths retrained and got another job.  People lose jobs all the time. No big deal THAT'S LIFE
3) What do you need protection from, do you live in a WAR ZONE?  Have you not heard of security locks, cameras, alarms and THE POLICE, plus your also 5 times more likely to be killed if armed during a crime than if you aren't. (safer to not have GUNS - this is statistically true, although a gun nut will deny this every-time).  if you are that afraid, you flee the situation, Not try and be a hero.  Americans must be the most terrified human beings on planet earth.


1.  We can't afford it.
2.  It's our constitutional right, only changeable with an amendment.
3.  Killing an entire industry would be fool hardy for a capitalistic society
4.  Locks and such don't stop people with out guns, they won't stop people with.
5.  Good for the Aussies.  They are one very regulated country in other areas too. 
6.  Don't own a gun, but believe in the 2nd amendment.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: andreisdaman on December 18, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
I once did a thesis on the merits of gun control and gun violence in America.  I did extensive research on the subject...reading tens of books on the subject as well as some historical books which were really old and dusty...you could tell no one had looked at these books in fifty years....This is what I learned:

The United States has ALWAYS had gun control...meaning that whites have always had the ability to buy, own, and possess guns...while others could not...this started in the days of the pilgrims...white women, blacks and Native Americans were NOT allowed to own guns...only white men could own guns...this was a way for white men to maintain their superiority over everyone else...Since white men had all the guns NO ONE COULD CHALLENGE THEIR AUTHORITY...

The NRA in order to encourage gun ownership set up hundreds of gun clubs all over the United States...however..ONLY ONE OF THESE GUN CLUBS WERE SITUATED IN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD...The NRA was not committed to the idea that blacks should be able to buy and own guns like everyone else...thus there was massive hypocrisy in this regard....also the whole idea of gun ownership was to DEFEND AGAINST BLACKS...since many suspected that blacks would rise up in some sort of revolution and that blacks were out of control beasts

During a court ruling in a gun control case in Florida, in the early part of the 20th century, A judge admitted in open court that GUN CONTROL LAWS WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE ENFORCED AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE AND THAT THE INTENT OF THE LAW WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT MINORITIES COULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS...A smoking gun statement if there ever was one...

Here in New York city in the early part of the 20th century, Italians were routinely singled out and prosecuted for gun possession since they were not considered to be white...

the point I am trying to make is that gun control, as with other issues, has always been a law which whites have used to arm themselves against the "other"... and this is where the gun culture comes from in white America and why they are reluctant to give up their guns....even poor whites feel superior and in charge when they are armed...

I know that many will say I am making this into a racial issue...but based upon the research I did, it IS and always has been a racial issue.....the entire foundation of the law was partially based on race...not only on the right to bear arms...




Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 18, 2012, 10:35:11 PM
I once did a thesis on the merits of gun control and gun violence in America.  I did extensive research on the subject...reading tens of books on the subject as well as some historical books which were really old and dusty...you could tell no one had looked at these books in fifty years....This is what I learned:

The United States has ALWAYS had gun control...meaning that whites have always had the ability to buy, own, and possess guns...while others could not...this started in the days of the pilgrims...white women, blacks and Native Americans were NOT allowed to own guns...only white men could own guns...this was a way for white men to maintain their superiority over everyone else...Since white men had all the guns NO ONE COULD CHALLENGE THEIR AUTHORITY...

The NRA in order to encourage gun ownership set up hundreds of gun clubs all over the United States...however..ONLY ONE OF THESE GUN CLUBS WERE SITUATED IN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD...The NRA was not committed to the idea that blacks should be able to buy and own guns like everyone else...thus there was massive hypocrisy in this regard....also the whole idea of gun ownership was to DEFEND AGAINST BLACKS...since many suspected that blacks would rise up in some sort of revolution and that blacks were out of control beasts

During a court ruling in a gun control case in Florida, in the early part of the 20th century, A judge admitted in open court that GUN CONTROL LAWS WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE ENFORCED AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE AND THAT THE INTENT OF THE LAW WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT MINORITIES COULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS...A smoking gun statement if there ever was one...

Here in New York city in the early part of the 20th century, Italians were routinely singled out and prosecuted for gun possession since they were not considered to be white...

the point I am trying to make is that gun control, as with other issues, has always been a law which whites have used to arm themselves against the "other"... and this is where the gun culture comes from in white America and why they are reluctant to give up their guns....even poor whites feel superior and in charge when they are armed...

I know that many will say I am making this into a racial issue...but based upon the research I did, it IS and always has been a racial issue.....the entire foundation of the law was partially based on race...not only on the right to bear arms...





It may have BEEN a racial issue, but it is no longer. You are indeed making this issue racial, as no one is stopping any other race from owning firearms, and race has zero to do with citizens being armed.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: andreisdaman on December 18, 2012, 10:45:06 PM
It may have BEEN a racial issue, but it is no longer. You are indeed making this issue racial, as no one is stopping any other race from owning firearms, and race has zero to do with citizens being armed.


not trying to make the shooting itself a racial issue....just showing you where the gun mentality came from....but at least you agree that it was once a racial issue....however...as you are smart enough to know, laws and systems often continue to run and to build upon their original intent/purpose
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 18, 2012, 10:51:42 PM

not trying to make the shooting itself a racial issue....just showing you where the gun mentality came from....but at least you agree that it was once a racial issue....however...as you are smart enough to know, laws and systems often continue to run and to build upon their original intent/purpose
I think everything was a racial issue in that time period, racial tensions were coming to a head, people were making everything racial on both sides.

Now if you're talking about the founders original intention for the 2nd amendment, I would say that race was in the very, very back of their mind.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Roger Bacon on December 18, 2012, 10:55:17 PM
I once did a thesis on the merits of gun control and gun violence in America.  I did extensive research on the subject...reading tens of books on the subject as well as some historical books which were really old and dusty...you could tell no one had looked at these books in fifty years....This is what I learned:

The United States has ALWAYS had gun control...meaning that whites have always had the ability to buy, own, and possess guns...while others could not...this started in the days of the pilgrims...white women, blacks and Native Americans were NOT allowed to own guns...only white men could own guns...this was a way for white men to maintain their superiority over everyone else...Since white men had all the guns NO ONE COULD CHALLENGE THEIR AUTHORITY...

The NRA in order to encourage gun ownership set up hundreds of gun clubs all over the United States...however..ONLY ONE OF THESE GUN CLUBS WERE SITUATED IN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD...The NRA was not committed to the idea that blacks should be able to buy and own guns like everyone else...thus there was massive hypocrisy in this regard....also the whole idea of gun ownership was to DEFEND AGAINST BLACKS...since many suspected that blacks would rise up in some sort of revolution and that blacks were out of control beasts

During a court ruling in a gun control case in Florida, in the early part of the 20th century, A judge admitted in open court that GUN CONTROL LAWS WERE NEVER MEANT TO BE ENFORCED AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE AND THAT THE INTENT OF THE LAW WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT MINORITIES COULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS...A smoking gun statement if there ever was one...

Here in New York city in the early part of the 20th century, Italians were routinely singled out and prosecuted for gun possession since they were not considered to be white...

the point I am trying to make is that gun control, as with other issues, has always been a law which whites have used to arm themselves against the "other"... and this is where the gun culture comes from in white America and why they are reluctant to give up their guns....even poor whites feel superior and in charge when they are armed...

I know that many will say I am making this into a racial issue...but based upon the research I did, it IS and always has been a racial issue.....the entire foundation of the law was partially based on race...not only on the right to bear arms...

Rightly so?

(http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/orace.png)
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: andreisdaman on December 18, 2012, 10:59:53 PM
I think everything was a racial issue in that time period, racial tensions were coming to a head, people were making everything racial on both sides.

Now if you're talking about the founders original intention for the 2nd amendment, I would say that race was in the very, very back of their mind.

I don't think so.....I think race was FOREMOST in their minds when drafting legislation....we try our best to hold these men up as great paragons of truth and justice but they were as flawed as everyone else, albeit they were great men irregardless......

they owned slaves, etc......crafted legislation that black people were basically property (3/5 of a human being)....planned the slow disinfranchisement of Native Americans by slowly confiscating their land (using laws and legislatiion to legitimize this)...made great compromises in freedom and liberty to all (because they did not want to piss off southerners)...etc.....RACE played a big role in what they were doing......its just whitewashed (no pun intended) in the history books
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: andreisdaman on December 18, 2012, 11:00:34 PM
Rightly so?

(http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/orace.png)

if you say so ::)...why not include in the graph all the genocides whites have committed as well???...lynching and killing blacks......almost murdering the Native Americans into extinction........that graph would even out tremedously
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: Shockwave on December 18, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
I don't think so.....I think race was FOREMOST in their minds when drafting legislation....we try our best to hold these men up as great paragons of truth and justice but they were as flawed as everyone else, albeit they were great men irregardless......

they owned slaves, etc......crafted legislation that black people were basically property (3/5 of a human being)....planned the slow disinfranchisement of Native Americans by slowly confiscating their land (using laws and legislatiion to legitimize this)...made great compromises in freedom and liberty to all (because they did not want to piss off southerners)...etc.....RACE played a big role in what they were doing......its just whitewashed (no pun intended) in the history books
I think they were a little more concerned with the British and not having that happen again than they were of their slaves at that point dude. Later on, civil war era, civil rights movement.. I'd totally agree with you.
At that point the white man was king and there wasn't anything to really worry about from the slaves.
Title: Re: ‘I Don’t Care if a Bunch of White Kids Got Killed’
Post by: andreisdaman on December 18, 2012, 11:35:30 PM
I think they were a little more concerned with the British and not having that happen again than they were of their slaves at that point dude. Later on, civil war era, civil rights movement.. I'd totally agree with you.
At that point the white man was king and there wasn't anything to really worry about from the slaves.

you make a good point but I kind of think that there was always some level of paranoia that blacks would rise up and kill whites because there were so many slaves in the U.S. at the time....this goes throught the mind of any oppressor.....you gotta try to maintain this system which is based on cruelty with more cruelty....I think also after a while whites just were psychologically tired of doing this.....it takes a physical and psychological toll on the oippressed AND the oppressor