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Title: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 02:03:13 AM
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

This is an long post and serves to destroy completely every lame lib argument on guns. I found this interesting...

Spare me the whole, “You won’t be happy until everybody has nuclear weapons” reductio ad absurdum. It says arms, as in things that were man portable. And as for the founding fathers not being able to see foresee our modern arms, you forget that many of them were inventors, and multi shot weapons were already in service. Not to mention that in that day, arms included cannon, since most of the original artillery of the Continental Army was privately owned. Besides, the Supreme Court agrees with me. See DC v. Heller.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 06:04:20 AM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 23, 2012, 06:10:32 AM
And yet the AWB had no effect on crime whatsoever.  Typical leftist communist idea - pass a law thinking it wll solve something.



clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 23, 2012, 06:12:09 AM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity
clinton didnt ban semi automatics he also didnt ban fully automatics...

This is why foreigners should stay out of Americas business....

You should really look into the ban that clinton passed and the idiocy that it was.


Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: whork on December 23, 2012, 06:14:52 AM
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

This is an long post and serves to destroy completely every lame lib argument on guns. I found this interesting...

Spare me the whole, “You won’t be happy until everybody has nuclear weapons” reductio ad absurdum. It says arms, as in things that were man portable. And as for the founding fathers not being able to see foresee our modern arms, you forget that many of them were inventors, and multi shot weapons were already in service. Not to mention that in that day, arms included cannon, since most of the original artillery of the Continental Army was privately owned. Besides, the Supreme Court agrees with me. See DC v. Heller.

How about handgrenades?
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 23, 2012, 07:32:14 AM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...   How did you arrive at that number? Why not 1 or 11?

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds   You are not aware that there are some competition shoots that employ rapid fire technique of certain model guns?

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people   This argument could be made for most guns. With a correctly placed shot, you can kill someone with a pellet gun. Furthermore, neither the Brady Bill nor the Assault Weapons Ban (nor their expirations) changed the legal status of fully automatic firearms, whose legality has been regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse   GWB offered to sign such a bill if Congress passed it. They did not. If you want to "blame," Bush Jr. is not the only one to get it. And again, neither Clinton nor Bush had anything to do with the regulation of fully-automatic guns as suggested in your above statement.

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity   I can see this happening by the sheer fact that so many Americans were STUPID enough to re-elect a president as lousy as 0bama. It is these people who will open the doors to surrendering our republic.


Data shows a slow gradual decline in gun homicides beginning in 1993 - before the Brady Bill passed - but, figures from both the control and treatment states track virtually identically. Control and treatment states had the same gun homicide rates before and after the Brady law passed. It made no discernable difference. There is no statistically significant effect.

The 1994 "Assault Weapons Ban" did expire in 2004, but the 1998 bill requiring background checks when buying guns in a gun shop has not.

Additionally, many individual states had and have their own gun laws that are stricter than Clinton's AWB.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: OzmO on December 23, 2012, 08:18:03 AM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity


Ok Samjag, still pining away for America's demise? 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Pine as much as you like, it won't happen in our life time. 
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 08:29:01 AM
Ok Samjag, still pining away for America's demise? 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Pine as much as you like, it won't happen in our life time. 


it's already happening... a black man is president even though 56% of american'ts are racist...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/27/poll-majority-of-americans-are-racist-against-black/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/27/poll-majority-of-americans-are-racist-against-black/)

by 2050 1/5 american'ts will be hispanic... other minorities groups are also growing rapidly

http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?ItemNumber=13093 (http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?ItemNumber=13093)

to most american'ts the reduction of the 'white majority' IS the death of american't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: OzmO on December 23, 2012, 08:31:42 AM

it's already happening... a black man is president even though 56% of american'ts are racist...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/27/poll-majority-of-americans-are-racist-against-black/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/27/poll-majority-of-americans-are-racist-against-black/)

by 2050 1/5 american'ts will be hispanic... other minorities groups are also growing rapidly

http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?ItemNumber=13093 (http://www.asaecenter.org/Resources/articledetail.cfm?ItemNumber=13093)

to most american'ts the reduction of the 'white majority' IS the death of american't

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American)

You have lots to understand about America.

America doesn't define itself by being white.

(that wasn't a good try :D)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 08:34:38 AM
You have lots to understand about America.

America doesn't define itself by being white.

(that wasn't a good try :D)

Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: OzmO on December 23, 2012, 08:37:44 AM


I love that song.

You got Timmy Hurtons...I'll give you that.   :D

Coffee on Crack!
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 08:41:56 AM
I love that song.

You got Timmy Hurtons...I'll give you that.   :D

Coffee on Crack!


had a large, 2 cream this morning



(no homo)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity
Way to have no idea what you're talking about broseph.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 11:29:47 AM
Way to have no idea what you're talking about broseph.

Whatever. Weapons of war have no place in civil society.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 11:36:22 AM
Whatever. Weapons of war have no place in civil society.
They aren't in general society - the weapons you're talking about are just fancy looking hunting rifles.

The weapons of war (high explosives, machine guns, select fire rifles) are still banned for the general populace, bromosexual.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
They aren't in general society - the weapons you're talking about are just fancy looking hunting rifles.

The weapons of war (high explosives, machine guns, select fire rifles) are still banned for the general populace, bromosexual.

Straw man logical fallacy.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 02:06:04 PM
Straw man logical fallacy.
Uh, what? The rifles that you are talking about are not weapons of war, they just look similar. They aren't select fire, like the M16/M4, they aren't machine guns, they aren't high explosives.... They are not these terrible weapons of war that you believe they are.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 23, 2012, 02:06:39 PM
Straw man logical fallacy.


You've been quick to assign the fallacy label today: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=452846.msg6505956#msg6505956


What, exactly, has been misrepresented in Shockwave's above post?
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 03:02:08 PM
if they are not a weapon of war what are they?

they are not for hunting

they are pathetic for home defense (if someone really wants to get you they will get you)


ultimately they are a waste of money and a threat to civil society

by most american't logic they are weapons of domestic terror

al qaeda & white america, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 03:14:28 PM
they are not for hunting

they are pathetic for home defense
Wrong and wrong. They are just fine for hunting, a little on the small caliber side, but won't matter to a skilled marksman.

And they are just fine for home defense, assuming that you know what you're doing.

And they're fine for target/sport shooting.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 23, 2012, 03:37:56 PM

Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 05:07:26 PM
Wrong and wrong. They are just fine for hunting, a little on the small caliber side, but won't matter to a skilled marksman.

And they are just fine for home defense, assuming that you know what you're doing.

And they're fine for target/sport shooting.


again, right tool, right job

there are many superior hunting rifles which are far cheaper

and a golf club is a safer and more effective home defense weapon statistically

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html (http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html)

having a dog (or 2 big german shepherds like my wife and i) is even better... and safer
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 05:18:19 PM

again, right tool, right job

there are many superior hunting rifles which are far cheaper

and a golf club is a safer and more effective home defense weapon statistically

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html (http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html)

having a dog (or 2 big german shepherds like my wife and i) is even better... and safer

That doesn't somehow mean they're useless though, your argument makes no sense. Since they're not the absolute best option then they shouldn't even be an option? Whiskey tango foxtrot bro.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: littledumbells on December 23, 2012, 05:24:11 PM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

    which makes them great for home defense

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

   THAT really depends on what kind of target shooting one is doing. There are many many different kinds of target shooting competitions

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

Again.....that depends. Of course in general for one to possess a full auto weapon one needs to go through ATF and get approved to own full auto, how many people have been killed with legally owned full auto weapons?

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

  They certainly have no hope being neutered being relieved of valid defensive and sporting weapons

due to greed, fear and stupidity   ::) ::) ::)
 
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 23, 2012, 06:34:50 PM
anyone who feels like they need an assault rifle in their home is both a coward and is compensating for a small penis...

FACT
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: OzmO on December 23, 2012, 06:39:41 PM
anyone who feels like they need an assault rifle in their home is both a coward and is compensating for a small penis...

FACT

No one feels they need one at all.  They have a right to have one.  Or 30.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 23, 2012, 06:41:07 PM
anyone who feels like they need an assault rifle in their home is both a coward and is compensating for a small penis...

FACT


Please post the randomized, double-blind studies demonstrating this "fact."
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Option D on December 23, 2012, 07:19:12 PM
And yet the AWB had no effect on crime whatsoever.  Typical leftist communist idea - pass a law thinking it wll solve something.




Like the REpublicans War on Drugs right...


Boom... score one for the mal

youre too easy son
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 08:12:54 PM
clips that hold more than 10 bullets are useless for shooting at anything other than people...

no serious target shooter fires more than 1 bullet every few seconds

full auto weapons are useless other than to kill people

these are the simple bans that were in place under clinton and which bush let elapse

american'ts are not able to preserve their republic and will be overrun but outsiders much like the romans were

due to greed, fear and stupidity


"Every few seconds".....u sir,  are a retard, never been around real shooters and should stop posting crap about shit you don't know anything about.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 08:17:32 PM
if they are not a weapon of war what are they?

they are not for hunting

they are pathetic for home defense (if someone really wants to get you they will get you)


ultimately they are a waste of money and a threat to civil society

by most american't logic they are weapons of domestic terror

al qaeda & white america, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G


Really...I'm much better with my M4 then i am with any handgun. Waste of money....I'm sure most if not all of what you do for fun would be a waste of my money but I don't get to regulate your fun so fuck of and don't regulate mine. Did you even read the article...
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2012, 08:21:00 PM
everyone screams "SEMI auto, SEMIIIIII auto".

They don't really know what that means.  A nice 10 round glock is a SEMI auto.  It loads the next bullet for you.

Now, FULL auto is the machine-gun style that fires at the rapid rate - you hold down trigger and you hit the guy with a burst of 30 bullets in 1 second or something insane like that.

People should know the difference.  Most guns, all over the world, are SEMI auto.  I'd guess 98% of the guns in the world are SEMI auto.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 08:21:18 PM

Please post the randomized, double-blind studies demonstrating this "fact."


I have both multiple weapons and very large dogs, including a shepard...the dogs don't generally come with me to malls and other places where people shoot other people. You realize your logic is retarded. Admit guns scare you, your a pansy ass lib and that deep down you want to throw on an olive drab vest full of 5.56 magpul mags...hoist an M4 with eotech site, guard rails and a collapsing stock and feel your balls drop.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 08:26:57 PM
everyone screams "SEMI auto, SEMIIIIII auto".

They don't really know what that means.  A nice 10 round glock is a SEMI auto.  It loads the next bullet for you.

Now, FULL auto is the machine-gun style that fires at the rapid rate - you hold down trigger and you hit the guy with a burst of 30 bullets in 1 second or something insane like that.

People should know the difference.  Most guns, all over the world, are SEMI auto.  I'd guess 98% of the guns in the world are SEMI auto.

I have a buddy who collects guns...not like normal people...he has over 300 and counting, including automatics. The pain of just buying that shit isn't even worth it. He has to move his collection  in the spring when we get back. The ATF paperwork takes months. He has silencers, fully auto uzi's etc....the paperwork is ridiculous. No matter what kind of M4 or AR people buy...its still a semi unless you have the correct licenses. No matter how many cool guy lasers, grips and whatever else you have....still won't be like my issued M4. I have no desire to be paper raped by the  ATF to get a fully auto submachine gun. I don't even use auto in video games.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
everyone screams "SEMI auto, SEMIIIIII auto".

They don't really know what that means.  A nice 10 round glock is a SEMI auto.  It loads the next bullet for you.

Now, FULL auto is the machine-gun style that fires at the rapid rate - you hold down trigger and you hit the guy with a burst of 30 bullets in 1 second or something insane like that.

People should know the difference.  Most guns, all over the world, are SEMI auto.  I'd guess 98% of the guns in the world are SEMI auto.


I'm glad you're on the right side of this shit.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 08:44:26 PM
I have a buddy who collects guns...not like normal people...he has over 300 and counting, including automatics. The pain of just buying that shit isn't even worth it. He has to move his collection  in the spring when we get back. The ATF paperwork takes months. He has silencers, fully auto uzi's etc....the paperwork is ridiculous. No matter what kind of M4 or AR people buy...its still a semi unless you have the correct licenses. No matter how many cool guy lasers, grips and whatever else you have....still won't be like my issued M4. I have no desire to be paper raped by the  ATF to get a fully auto submachine gun. I don't even use auto in video games.
Are you issued the M4, or the M4A1 in the Army? I had heard rumors that they were going to switch everyone to the M4A1, which I believe is semi + automatic whereas the M4 is semi + 3 round burst (like M16A2&A4), correct?
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 08:50:49 PM
My current unit has M4's but we're a support unit. Its the standard single shot with 3 rnd burst. We didn't get issued any optics with it or any cool guy attachments but I have alot of that stuff from my last few tours. My weapon sits in the corner and collects dust this tour. My next job will be with a unit responsible for much of the counter-narcotics ops in central and south America that DOD supports and a much much bigger budget. I expect we'll get the latest stuff. The Army is looking at a new rifle but we hear that every few years. The same with the 9mm. They were supposed to get the XM-8 and the the H@K 416...both better then the current M4 but budget concerns and other crap came into play.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: 240 is Back on December 23, 2012, 09:21:48 PM
I have completely stopped watching the news over the last few weeks.   BOTH sides disgust me.  BOTH sides are so completely over-reactionary and emotion and irrational about this topic.  They're both ignorant, and both trying to perpetuate impossible eventual outcomes to get people scared.

fucckem all... thank goodness we have the NFL to watch until Feb.  Hopefully politics will suck less by then.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Radical Plato on December 23, 2012, 09:49:46 PM
What happens to the guys who the majority of societies women reject?  They become Obsessed Gun Nutters, talking about guns, thinking about guns, reading all the laws about guns, reading studies about guns, abusing others who don't care about guns, buying more guns, shooting at inanimate targets with their guns, cleaning their guns, making friends with other gun nutters and on and on it goes.   You know you are a pathetic individual, when the thing you care about most is a GUN!
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 23, 2012, 09:52:56 PM
What happens to the guys who the majority of societies women reject?  They become Obsessed Gun Nutters, talking about guns, thinking about guns, reading all the laws about guns, reading studies about guns, abusing others who don't care about guns, buying more guns, shooting at inanimate targets with their guns, cleaning their guns, making friends with other gun nutters and on and on it goes.   You know you are a pathetic individual, when the thing you care about most is a GUN!
Lol. Epic logic failure.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 23, 2012, 11:40:33 PM
What happens to the guys who the majority of societies women reject?  They become Obsessed Gun Nutters, talking about guns, thinking about guns, reading all the laws about guns, reading studies about guns, abusing others who don't care about guns, buying more guns, shooting at inanimate targets with their guns, cleaning their guns, making friends with other gun nutters and on and on it goes.   You know you are a pathetic individual, when the thing you care about most is a GUN!

I'm married and my wife concealed carriers..she's better with my shotgun then I am and is learning to transition shoot between AR and pistol. So again...your a fucking retard.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 03:01:09 AM
Folks. Guns are for dummies.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 03:10:14 AM
I'm married and my wife concealed carriers..she's better with my shotgun then I am and is learning to transition shoot between AR and pistol. So again...your a fucking retard.
Oh, I forget to mention the remote possibility of connecting with a female Gun Nutter, these women tend to have even greater issues than their male counterpart, similar to the female body-builders, they feel insecure with femininity, envy masculinity and usually resent deeply male authority figures, they are usually extreme female liberationists and have little problem with being one of the boys, they think nothing of arguing with men and are even prepared to fight them physically.  These are the women that men have rejected, after all, like attracts like.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 24, 2012, 03:14:01 AM
Folks. Guns are for dummies.


You're out of retort now. Just stop.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 03:24:28 AM

You're out of retort now. Just stop.

I just don't care. Glad I live in a country where gun nuts are arrested and prosecuted.

I am a gun owner. I hunt. I shoot at a range a few times per year. But I have no ambition to own anything more extreme than a .308 or my .44 revolver.

I do not keep ammunition in my home and if I hear a bump in the night I either call the police or figure out it was one of the cats.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 24, 2012, 03:25:20 AM
Oh, I forget to mention the remote possibility of connecting with a female Gun Nutter, these women tend to have even greater issues than their male counterpart, similar to the female body-builders, they feel insecure with femininity, envy masculinity and usually resent deeply male authority figures, they are usually extreme female liberationists and have little problem with being one of the boys, they think nothing of arguing with men and are even prepared to fight them physically.  These are the women that men have rejected, after all, like attracts like.

So everybody who has a gun is a nut right. Come on...deep down admit your a cock suck gay bathhouse visiting pansy ass liberal douchbag. You wouldn't know what to do with vag just as much as a gun...women and guns scare you right? Easier just to suck cock and wish to hell you were a normal man.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: headhuntersix on December 24, 2012, 03:27:43 AM
I just don't care. Glad I live in a country where gun nuts are arrested and prosecuted.

I am a gun owner. I hunt. I shoot at a range a few times per year. But I have no ambition to own anything more extreme than a .308 or my .44 revolver.

I do not keep ammunition in my home and if I hear a bump in the night I either call the police or figure out it was one of the cats.

Why a .44..why not a 9mm or a .22. That .44 is alot less accurate then  9 or 22...maybe because when u hit something u blow it in half? Same with my AR....except your .44 is still more powerful..so maybe you need to turn in that big nasty wasteful .44 and get a wrist rocket. ::)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 03:42:46 AM
Why a .44..why not a 9mm or a .22. That .44 is alot less accurate then  9 or 22...maybe because when u hit something u blow it in half? Same with my AR....except your .44 is still more powerful..so maybe you need to turn in that big nasty wasteful .44 and get a wrist rocket. ::)

I have a 9 for targets. The 44 was grandfathered. It's actually a prohibited weapon here due to its snubbed barrel.

And in case you're curious. If the government wanted to pass a law to say that I could no longer own any of them I would support it.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 04:28:38 AM
So everybody who has a gun is a nut right. Come on...deep down admit your a cock suck gay bathhouse visiting pansy ass liberal douchbag. You wouldn't know what to do with vag just as much as a gun...women and guns scare you right? Easier just to suck cock and wish to hell you were a normal man.
No, all those who aren't prepared to give them up are NUTS, who rage on about second amendments, and constitutions written by some old dead slave owners, and tyrannical governments and how it's the fact their aren't enough guns, and it's the mentally ill, and it's the video games and it's the media and it's everything but what is actually responsible for the current situation the Country finds itself in.  Yes, they are Nuts, reasonable people don't act like that, to behave as if a GUN is as vital as the air you breathe, that you couldn't live without one, that what's important is YOUR RIGHTS and not the RIGHT of a 5 year old child to not be murdered while at school.  It is literally obscene, I couldn't think of a more perverse way to look at life, these situations aren't caused by just one person, they are caused by a collective, and that collective is the GUN Obsessed of America, nobody cares that you can own a gun responsibly, many people drive while intoxicated and nobody ever comes to harm, it doesn't mean it's safe or shouldn't be regulated.  It potentially endangers everyone, same with GUNS, a collective of responsible people owning GUNS potentially endangers everyone, simple as that.

Now if GUNS actually served some ESSENTIAL to LIFE purpose, like food, water, air it would be understandable people being resistant to not having GUNS, but people own them for they way it makes them feel, in your case, it is compensation for feeling less than a man, but whether it's fear or propping up a deficient personality, their isn't any conceivable NEED for someone to own a gun, unless they are a farmer, a hunter, military or police.  It is crazy to have a country of armed civilians, especially when you consider the average gun Nutter is belligerent, offensive, defensive, aggressive and dangerously extreme.  I think why the Gun Nutters are angrier than usual this time, because Nancy Lanza was also a Gun Nutter and representative of the average Gun Nutters bizarre way of looking at the world.  And look what happened to her.

Amazing how some long dead guy like Shakespeare always seems to have a suitable idiom for current situations.
"The lady NRA doth protest too much, methinks."
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 04:39:03 AM
I have a 9 for targets. The 44 was grandfathered. It's actually a prohibited weapon here due to its snubbed barrel.

And in case you're curious. If the government wanted to pass a law to say that I could no longer own any of them I would support it.
Now, if more Gun Owners had this attitude, everybody would realise Gun Owners are reasonable people and work with them in coming up with a win/win situation, you want your guns, we want less murdered children, let's see what we can do, but what do those wanting to protect children get instead, this ->"from my cold dead hands", from a bunch of tyrannical insecure power hungry Gun nuts playing the victim every time their is a mass murder.  These type of fanatical gun owners would be disliked regardless if they owned a gun or they didn't.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 24, 2012, 04:47:08 AM
Like the REpublicans War on Drugs right...


Boom... score one for the mal

youre too easy son

Both parties are equally bad on that.     Clinton was a disaster same as O-sludge.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: 240 is Back on December 24, 2012, 05:43:26 AM
Both parties are equally bad on that.     Clinton was a disaster same as O-sludge.

Agreed.  Bush2 said he supported the Brady Bill and wished he could keep it in place.  He could have ended it on Jan 20, 2001 if he wanted.  Let it ride thru 2004.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 05:44:05 AM
Now, if more Gun Owners had this attitude, everybody would realise Gun Owners are reasonable people and work with them in coming up with a win/win situation, you want your guns, we want less murdered children, let's see what we can do, but what do those wanting to protect children get instead, this ->"from my cold dead hands", from a bunch of tyrannical insecure power hungry Gun nuts playing the victim every time their is a mass murder.  These type of fanatical gun owners would be disliked regardless if they owned a gun or they didn't.

my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: littledumbells on December 24, 2012, 06:10:39 AM
anyone who feels like they need an assault rifle in their home is both a coward and is compensating for a small penis...

FACT

  I do not tell you what to do in your home so stay the fuck out of my home

FACT
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Radical Plato on December 24, 2012, 06:18:45 AM
 I do not tell you what to do in your home so stay the fuck out of my home

FACT
He didn't tell you what to do, he was just commenting on your tiny penis.  I suppose calling yourself littledumbells could be considered a freudian slip.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 06:23:20 AM
  I do not tell you what to do in your home so stay the fuck out of my home

FACT

your government is watching you right now
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 24, 2012, 06:26:27 AM
your government is watching you right now
LOL so is yours, the only difference is ours is watching you too!!!

Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 24, 2012, 06:28:57 AM
LOL so is yours, the only difference is ours is watching you too!!!



 ;D
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 25, 2012, 06:05:26 AM
Folks. Guns are for dummies.

I am a gun owner. I hunt. I shoot at a range a few times per year.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 06:24:34 AM
I just don't care. Glad I live in a country where gun nuts are arrested and prosecuted.

I am a gun owner. I hunt. I shoot at a range a few times per year. But I have no ambition to own anything more extreme than a .308 or my .44 revolver.

I do not keep ammunition in my home and if I hear a bump in the night I either call the police or figure out it was one of the cats.
YEA..............

This tells us all we need to know about you hoss
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 06:33:52 AM


oh i know... i can't help but mess with the gun nuts on this board...

honestly though the only reason i own guns is that they were handed down to me and i went hunting at a young age

haven't had a lot of opportunities to go lately and even when i did i went on an organized hunt and didn't even need to bring a gun (the hunt was in alberta and i live in ontario)

my wife has been talking to me about selling them recently (especially since all of the craziness south of the border)

i'm starting to agree with her... as a responsible gun owner i do not want to be associated with people who want assault rifles by the dozen, 200 round mags and hundreds of rounds of ammo...
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 06:35:45 AM
oh i know... i can't help but mess with the gun nuts on this board...

honestly though the only reason i own guns is that they were handed down to me and i went hunting at a young age

haven't had a lot of opportunities to go lately and even when i did i went on an organized hunt and didn't even need to bring a gun (the hunt was in alberta and i live in ontario)

my wife has been talking to me about selling them recently (especially since all of the craziness south of the border)

i'm starting to agree with her... as a responsible gun owner i do not want to be associated with people who want assault rifles by the dozen, 200 round mags and hundreds of rounds of ammo...


As a gun nutter myself ill take it if you don't want them.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 06:44:36 AM

As a gun nutter myself ill take it if you don't want them.


there is this wonderful border between us preventing that transaction from occurring... i have a nice pump action remington 12, a single shot 12, a 303 (really pretty stock and nice iron sights), a 308 (scoped) and a 22 rifle (semi-auto).... couple handguns at the range too

anyway, gotta figure out how to sell them now (can't list them on common internet sites like kijiji, ebay & craigslist)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 25, 2012, 06:58:51 AM
my wife has been talking to me about selling them recently (especially since all of the craziness south of the border)

She's afraid you'll go off the deep end! ;D



there is this wonderful border between us preventing that transaction from occurring... i have a nice pump action remington 12, a single shot 12, a 303 (really pretty stock and nice iron sights), a 308 (scoped) and a 22 rifle (semi-auto).... couple handguns at the range too

anyway, gotta figure out how to sell them now (can't list them on common internet sites like kijiji, ebay & craigslist)

There is a site for selling guns that is analogous to ebay. My cousin's husband told me about it last night as we discussed firearms over Christmas dinner. After being on call and working overtime, I was like a zombie and can't remember half of what he told me, but I can get you the name when I see him again tomorrow if you're interested.

I believe it works something along the lines of private owners auctioning their gun(s) to a buyer. The gun is shipped from the seller to a dealer, who then conducts the background checks, etc. The buyer then completes the transaction through the dealer. However, I don't know how/if it works with international vendors.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 07:28:18 AM
Huh. I'll probably just list them at the club.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 25, 2012, 07:35:56 AM
Huh. I'll probably just list them at the club.
Why are you selling them all? What possible reasoning is behind it? I mean, I could MAYBE understand getting rid of the handguns... But the hunting rifles and shotguns? Why?
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 07:38:27 AM
Why are you selling them all? What possible reasoning is behind it? I mean, I could MAYBE understand getting rid of the handguns... But the hunting rifles and shotguns? Why?
guns are lowd and scawy!!!!!
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 25, 2012, 07:44:07 AM
Huh. I'll probably just list them at the club.


That's fine.
But, you could probably command a higher price if you're able to sell through an American vendor. I was astonished to learn what many folks here are (IMO, foolishly) paying for certain guns right now. It's full-panic mode nation wide, which works to sellers' advantage. Once the dust settles, things will probably revert back to normal.

I believe changes will be made, but I suspect the most my govt will do is make it "more difficult" to purchase firearms. Maybe they'll implement stricter criteria for background checks, levy higher taxes on guns/ammo; things along those lines. I doubt it will escalate to what some CT'ists are predicting.

And, if they do, hey...Chuck Norris is the NRA spokes-rep.
And, just like the Boogeyman, Congress knows: you don't fuck...with Chuck!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 25, 2012, 07:49:39 AM
Why are you selling them all? What possible reasoning is behind it? I mean, I could MAYBE understand getting rid of the handguns... But the hunting rifles and shotguns? Why?


Some folks just don't like guns. I don't fault anyone for not wanting them in their house; particularly if they're uncomfortable (for whatever reason) with them. Other people may just not feel a need to have them.

Personally, I like having (and exercise) the right to possess and carry a gun.
I'm also in support of qualifying individuals having those same rights.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 07:55:51 AM

Some folks just don't like guns. I don't fault anyone for not wanting them in their house; particularly if they're uncomfortable (for whatever reason) with them. Other people may just not feel a need to have them.

Personally, I like having (and exercise) the right to possess and carry a gun.
I'm also in support of qualifying individuals having those same rights.
absolutely as long as they dont try and impead me from owning them...
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Montague on December 25, 2012, 07:57:41 AM
absolutely as long as they dont try and impead me from owning them...


Yes.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:06:28 AM
Why are you selling them all? What possible reasoning is behind it? I mean, I could MAYBE understand getting rid of the handguns... But the hunting rifles and shotguns? Why?

The safe takes up closet space
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Shockwave on December 25, 2012, 08:07:44 AM
The safe takes up closet space
Lol, fair enough. I thought you were getting rid of them because some people got shotz down in the U.S.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 08:15:19 AM
Lol, fair enough. I thought you were getting rid of them because some people got shotz down in the U.S.


I thought his wife was bossing him around.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 08:21:59 AM
The safe takes up closet space
and that closet space belongs to your cats right?
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:23:47 AM
All reasonable responses. My cats will enjoy the extra hiding space, my wife will suck my cock more and I'll look like I care about some dead Americants that I never knew.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 08:24:41 AM
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America's 'gun culture' and Piers Morgan's selective outrage (Britain's gun violence up 40%)
American Thinker ^ | 12/25/2012 | David Paulin
Posted on December 25, 2012, 11:11:46 AM EST by SeekAndFind

It's a strange omission: liberal pundits like CNN's Piers Morgan are fulminating over America's "gun culture" following Newtown's school massacre -- yet they seem blissfully ignorant about what happened after Britain's draconian handgun ban following a school massacre in Scotland, in 1996, eerily similar to Newtown's.

After the ban, more than 160,000 law-abiding citizens gave up their handguns. The idea was to stop gun violence. But ironically, the ban had the opposite effect: crime-related gun violence jumped a whopping 40 percent in the two years after the ban. And since then, gun crime has continued to soar at an alarming rate. Anti-gun liberals may be aghast, but as that old NRA bumper sticker stated: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." One wonders how long before guns are used in another massacre in the United Kingdom; or perhaps next time it will be done by a madman carrying a can of gasoline.

Piers Morgan, an urbane native of England, surely knows what happened after Britain's gun ban. But like others anti-gun media elitists and politicians (whose children are defended by armed guards at upscale private schools) Morgan avoids discussions of the complexities and nuances of gun control and their impact on ordinary people -- that is, law-abiding gun owners. "You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" Morgan told Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America, during a discussion about gun regulations that included proposed bans on large clips and military-style weapons like the AR-15 used by Newtown, Connecticut's shooter Adam Lanza. Now, an online petition demanding that the smug Brit be deported is drawing tens of thousands of signatures.

Morgan surely knows about Britain's failed effort to reduce gun violence - and how those efforts backfired. Even the lefty BBC took notice --

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Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 08:25:00 AM
The only people who should be in charge of a firearm..are in my opinion trained people.. The Military.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
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America's 'gun culture' and Piers Morgan's selective outrage (Britain's gun violence up 40%)
American Thinker ^ | 12/25/2012 | David Paulin
Posted on December 25, 2012, 11:11:46 AM EST by SeekAndFind

It's a strange omission: liberal pundits like CNN's Piers Morgan are fulminating over America's "gun culture" following Newtown's school massacre -- yet they seem blissfully ignorant about what happened after Britain's draconian handgun ban following a school massacre in Scotland, in 1996, eerily similar to Newtown's.

After the ban, more than 160,000 law-abiding citizens gave up their handguns. The idea was to stop gun violence. But ironically, the ban had the opposite effect: crime-related gun violence jumped a whopping 40 percent in the two years after the ban. And since then, gun crime has continued to soar at an alarming rate. Anti-gun liberals may be aghast, but as that old NRA bumper sticker stated: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." One wonders how long before guns are used in another massacre in the United Kingdom; or perhaps next time it will be done by a madman carrying a can of gasoline.

Piers Morgan, an urbane native of England, surely knows what happened after Britain's gun ban. But like others anti-gun media elitists and politicians (whose children are defended by armed guards at upscale private schools) Morgan avoids discussions of the complexities and nuances of gun control and their impact on ordinary people -- that is, law-abiding gun owners. "You're an unbelievably stupid man, aren't you?" Morgan told Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America, during a discussion about gun regulations that included proposed bans on large clips and military-style weapons like the AR-15 used by Newtown, Connecticut's shooter Adam Lanza. Now, an online petition demanding that the smug Brit be deported is drawing tens of thousands of signatures.

Morgan surely knows about Britain's failed effort to reduce gun violence - and how those efforts backfired. Even the lefty BBC took notice --

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So full of shit


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 08:40:37 AM

So full of shit


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)
3's post was about gun violence yours about gun death....

apples to oranges there buddy.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:43:13 AM
3's post was about gun violence yours about gun death....

apples to oranges there buddy.

He's playing the percentage game. Americants shoot themselves and each other like animals.

Brits, while annoying, are far more civilized.
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 08:44:52 AM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Donny on December 25, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
I can only say that in the Military you train to kill. Any civilian here who likes that and guns is full of shit.. see they know nothing
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: garebear on December 25, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
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Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tonymctones on December 25, 2012, 09:41:48 AM
If only we keep guns away from crazy ppl then they would just go about their lives
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 25, 2012, 09:58:39 AM
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1 dead, 3 at large in home invasion at apartment complex(NV)
lasvegassun.com ^ | 24 December, 2012 | Tovin Lapan
Posted on December 25, 2012, 12:20:27 PM EST by marktwain

A suspect is dead and police are seeking three of his cohorts after an apparent home invasion Monday morning at a Las Vegas apartment complex.

Metro Police responded about 10:10 a.m. Monday to La Ventana Apartment Homes, 2901 N. Rainbow Blvd., near West Cheyenne Avenue, after a 911 call from neighbors.

Metro Lt. Ray Steiber said four suspects – at least one of them carrying a firearm – knocked on the door of a first-floor apartment occupied by a couple and their infant. The assailants barged in when the woman occupant answered the door. The intruders were met with armed resistance.

Witnesses reported hearing gunfire exchanged, first inside the apartment and then outside.

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Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 12:42:58 PM
If only we keep guns away from crazy ppl then they would just go about their lives

Insert picture of baptists, Mormons, etc
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: tbombz on December 25, 2012, 12:45:37 PM

Spare me the whole, “You won’t be happy until everybody has nuclear weapons” reductio ad absurdum. It says arms, as in things that were man portable.
ever heard of briefcase nukes? shoulder fired rockets? grenades? all are portable.   ;)
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 04:46:26 PM
ever heard of briefcase nukes? shoulder fired rockets? grenades? all are portable.   ;)


all excellent home defense
Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: WOOO on December 25, 2012, 04:47:50 PM
ever heard of briefcase nukes? shoulder fired rockets? grenades? all are portable.   ;)


thinking that a personal home nuclear deterrent makes a lot of sense



























 ::)
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Post by: Soul Crusher on December 26, 2012, 10:45:40 AM
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(CA - Strictest Guns Laws in America) AK-47 Found in Paroled Felon's Car after High Speed Chase
L.A. Times ^ | December 24, 2012 | L.A. Times
Posted on 12/26/2012 9:39:53 AM PST by DogByte6RER



AK-47 found in paroled felon's car after high speed chase

Authorities found a loaded AK-47 rifle in the trunk of a car driven by a paroled felon after a high speed pursuit that concluded with a crash and short foot chase.

West Covina police attempted to stop a gray Toyota Camry for traffic violations at the Sunset Avenue exit off the 10 Freeway shortly after 10 p.m. Sunday. The driver led police on a chase that reached speeds in excess of 90 mph on city streets, West Covina police spokesman Rudy Lopez said.

The suspect vehicle entered the westbound 10 Freeway at speeds up to 100 mph before exiting at Temple City Boulevard in Rosemead. The driver tried to negotiate the tur, but hit the retaining wall just east of the offramp, Lopez said.

He swerved into the westbound lanes of the freeway and directly into the path of a pursuing police cruiser, which crashed into him.

The suspect climbed out of the front passenger window and fled on foot. He was arrested after a short chase and taken to County USC Medical Center. No officers were injured.

Robert Anthony Facciponti, 36, of West Covina was booked for felony evading, being a parolee in possession of ammunition, possession of a loaded firearm and an outstanding felony warrant, Lopez said.

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Title: Re: Opinion on gun control
Post by: freespirit on December 27, 2012, 12:18:16 AM
 >:(