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http://aol.sportingnews.com/sport/story/2013-01-04/lance-armstrong-doping-admission-peds-epo-doping-tour-de-france-livestrong?icid=maing-grid7
Lance Armstrong may be ready to come clean and admit he cheated during his cycling career, The New York Times reported Friday night.
Sources with direct knowledge of the situation told The Times that Armstrong is considering a public admission that he used banned performance-enhancing drugs and engaged in blood doping in a career highlighted by a record seven Tour de France victories.
The confession, according to the anonymous sources, would be part of Armstrong's effort to be reinstated from a lifetime ban issued against him last October. Armstrong, 41, wants to compete in triathlons and running events, according to the Times, many of which follow the World Anti-Doping Code that Armstrong allegedly violated.
Armstrong's attorney, Tim Herman, told The Times he did not not know about a possible admission.
"I suppose anything is possible, for sure. Right now, that’s really not on the table,” Herman was quoted as saying.
Cycling's governing body stripped Armstrong of his Tour titles and banned him for life, following a report from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that accused him of leading a massive doping program on his teams.
The USADA report said Armstrong and his teams used steroids, the blood booster EPO and blood transfusions. The report included statements from 11 former teammates who testified against Armstrong.
Armstrong has vehemently denied doping, saying he passed hundreds of drug tests. But he chose not to fight USADA in one of the agency's arbitration hearings, arguing the process was biased against him.
Months later, according to the Times, Armstrong is in discussions with USADA and has met with Travis Tygart, the agency's chief executive. Armstrong also wants to meet with David Howman, director general of the World Anti-Doping Agency.
Herman denied that Armstrong and Tygart have spoken. Tygart declined to comment when reached by The Times. Howman, who is on vacation in New Zealand, did not respond to requests for comment.
Although the sources told The Times that Armstrong is exploring an admission, they also pointed out that several legal cases may prevent it. In one federal case, Armstrong and officials from his U.S. Postal Service team are accused of fraud against the U.S. government for violating a no-doping provision in their contract with the USPS.
According to The Times, the World Anti-Doping Code allows for athletes to have their punishments reduced if they make full confessions and provide extensive details about their doping.
The Times report also said that benefactors assocated with Armstrong's charitable organizations are pressuring the cyclist to confess. Last year, Armstrong's cancer-fighting charity formally dropped him from its name and is now officially known as the Livestrong Foundation.
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Thats bullshit, man. Unless everyone admits use, why should he? Sounds like shit.
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tommywishbone will be heartbroken if lancyhambone kowtows to the authorities.
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I highly doubt this comes to pass.
There is no upside.
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I hope he finally admits it.
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I hope he doesn't admit shit. He was competing against other dopers so it was an even playing field as far as I'm concerned.
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Maybe he really wants to put on a sparkly thong for men and is worried his drug use will have him banned by the IFBB?
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Yada yada.
He won, he's cycling legend, best of the best. He's set up for life, even now when his carees is in ashes and he will loose a lot of money. To cover expenses comming from his exposure he can write a fucking book about doping in sport, that would be epic bestseller and he would earn millions.
I'm afraid morons fighting for "clean sport" can suck his dick.
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The dude has enough juice and name recognition that he should start his own series of competitions open to anyone with no testing and award solid cash prizes to the winners.
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Only thing forcing him to admit, is his conscience. No other reason. Why, because he wants to run some races? Oh brother. ::) Keep it real Lance, don't fess up.
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he's testing the idea... media polling... kinda pathetic
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I highly doubt this comes to pass.
There is no upside.
This. No reason, at this point, he should.
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sure... he needs to find a way to recover... he's lost all of his sponsors and his income is suffering... he's a media whore and can't let go and just ive his life
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hmmm, maybe the sociopath is getting just a wee bit tired of the anti depressants.
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he should admit, and he should also expose the whoe rest of the drug usage.
This.
He should let the public know just how stupid they are for believing in fairytales. One of the years Lance won, IIRC, the 2nd through 5th place takers all tested positive.
Lance should give up all of Dr. Michele Ferrari's methods.
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Pussy.
Don't admit shit.
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these fuckers must REALLY despise, armstrong... sadly, the moronic masses will be thinking that he was the only cheat there ::)
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tommywishbone will be heartbroken if lancyhambone kowtows to the authorities.
Damn right!! Admit nothing Lance, nothing!!
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He fucked Cheryl Crow, he will always be greater than the French for that reason alone.
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man the haters got to leave this guy alone. he hasnt done anything wrong. He took PEDS? oh really? ::) you mean just like EVERYONE ELSE racing behind him? ::)
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NBA player can ass-rape an 18 year old bellhop and 3 years later, he's a beloved MVP with confetti falling. People worshipping Ray Lewis despite his whole murder trial thing. Americans forgive like crazy. Tiger and Lance will be more popular than LeBron in 2 years.
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man the haters got to leave this guy alone. he hasnt done anything wrong. He took PEDS? oh really? ::) you mean just like EVERYONE ELSE racing behind him? ::)
Exactly. Everyone uses. That does not take anything away from his achievements.
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NBA player can ass-rape an 18 year old bellhop and 3 years later, he's a beloved MVP with confetti falling. People worshipping Ray Lewis despite his whole murder trial thing. Americans forgive like crazy. Tiger and Lance will be more popular than LeBron in 2 years.
the American public hates holier than thou folk. Especially crooked, lying manipulative ones.
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You know, I happen to like cycling and followed Lance's career from 1998 until his last Tour de France and it's always irritated me how he always went out of his way to make enemies out of people that didn't want to be his enemies. I really never understood that side of him. And it's that side of him that ruined his career. Once he came back to the sport in 2010 and it became clear that that kid from Spain was going to kick his ass... that's when we started seeing that side of Lance very few people liked. And once he started pissing people off, all the enemies started talking.
It's his own doing really.
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he should admit, and he should also expose the whoe rest of the drug usage.
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Exactly. Everyone uses. That does not take anything away from his achievements.
its all envy, thats it! as is most of the steroid problems. fat guys drinking alcohal and smoking like a chimneys come and say "ban steroids! there unhealthy and bad for society. there also cheating!" ::) ::)
some people think if they juiced BOOM they become a Muhammad Ali, Mike jordan, Tom brady, Barry Bonds, Christiano Ronaldo, Ronnie Coleman...ect little do they know at their local gym almost everyone juices and still looks average/performs average.
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Totally bogus report/story. He will NEVER admit anything.
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PED
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Why the fuck should he admit anything. It was sickening the amount of his competitors who jumped on the bandwagon to slate him just despite them doing the same.
Like that gay c unt bradley fucking wiggins, fucking piece of shit.
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man the haters got to leave this guy alone. he hasnt done anything wrong. He took PEDS? oh really? ::) you mean just like EVERYONE ELSE racing behind him? ::)
Ok..I dont get this mindset ^^^. Were other competitors using PEDs? Most likely yes. But the statement "he hasnt done anything wrong" is incorrect. Regardless of the actions of others he signed legally binding contracts, competed in races, and collected monetary prizes while knowingly "breaking the rules". Are the laws unjust? Sure. But a man's word is his word. If you say you dont cheat then dont cheat. The mentality of "well everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't I"...is for little children...not men. This moral relativism is why America is in decline.
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?' - John Wayne
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Ok..I dont get this mindset ^^^. Were other competitors using PEDs? Most likely yes. But the statement "he hasnt done anything wrong" is incorrect. Regardless of the actions of others he signed legally binding contracts, competed in races, and collected monetary prizes while knowingly "breaking the rules". Are the laws unjust? Sure. But a man's word is his word. If you say you dont cheat then dont cheat. The mentality of "well everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't I"...is for little children...not men. This moral relativism is why America is in decline.
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?' - John Wayne
the thing is the other competitors are lined up around the block pointing the finger at this guy when they did the same thing, and no one is looking to burn them at the stake, sue them and destroy their lives.
it's fucking bullshit, the "Barry bonds" syndrome...because the guy is an arrogant prick he's being crucified and pursued to a ridiculous extreme...I don't see other cyclists being pursued for decades and then finally just DECLARED guilty without a shred of physical evidence because they couldn't come up with anything concrete. fucking pathetic. he beat your tests, played the game perfectly, shut the fuck up and leave him alone..OR do it to EVERYBODY who ever raced.
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Lets be real people. When he admits it, he is going to pull the Liar Lee Priest type of admittance where he used minimal amounts and use his cancer as a back drop to using. Then all the no nothings will praise him for "coming clean". Its a scam.
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the thing is the other competitors are lined up around the block pointing the finger at this guy when they did the same thing, and no one is looking to burn them at the stake, sue them and destroy their lives.
it's fucking bullshit, the "Barry bonds" syndrome...because the guy is an arrogant prick he's being crucified and pursued to a ridiculous extreme...I don't see other cyclists being pursued for decades and then finally just DECLARED guilty without a shred of physical evidence because they couldn't come up with anything concrete. fucking pathetic. he beat your tests, played the game perfectly, shut the fuck up and leave him alone..OR do it to EVERYBODY who ever raced.
I agree that every competitor should be held to the same standards and tested. The problem with Lance (like Barry Bonds) is that they were so dominant it attracted world wide attention. The media made money off of them, their sponsors made money off of them and the game made money off of them. 60 HRs stood for 40 years until Bonds does 75 out of the blue? Lance didnt win 1,2 or 3 Tour De France...he wins 7. These guys dont think with that kind of attention they're not going to be singled out? Maybe the guy who came in 15th was also doping but no one cares.
When Lance signed the contracts to race knowing full well what the requirements were and actively deceiving them....its BS. He was part of the scam until enough evidence came out to hurt him financially and his legacy. Now he wants back in and plans on "coming clean". I think that's great but I don't give him a pass as a man because "everyone else was doing it".
Im also sure LAnce doesnt give two shits what I think.
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Nice pad
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I agree that every competitor should be held to the same standards and tested. The problem with Lance (like Barry Bonds) is that they were so dominant it attracted world wide attention. The media made money off of them, their sponsors made money off of them and the game made money off of them. 60 HRs stood for 40 years until Bonds does 75 out of the blue? Lance didnt win 1,2 or 3 Tour De France...he wins 7. These guys dont think with that kind of attention they're not going to be singled out? Maybe the guy who came in 15th was also doping but no one cares.
When Lance signed the contracts to race knowing full well what the requirements were and actively deceiving them....its BS. He was part of the scam until enough evidence came out to hurt him financially and his legacy. Now he wants back in and plans on "coming clean". I think that's great but I don't give him a pass as a man because "everyone else was doing it".
Im also sure LAnce doesnt give two shits what I think.
I'm quite certain Lance Armstrong wasn't the only Cyclist pulling down big dollars who was lying through his teeth about PEDs.. And that is basically the crux of my argument.
Yes, he cheated, yes it's wrong, yes every other asshole was doing it.....and it's also wrong to single the guy out just because he was the most famous. totally unfair. This trend of penalizing athletes for their success is total bullshit
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Ok..I dont get this mindset ^^^. Were other competitors using PEDs? Most likely yes. But the statement "he hasnt done anything wrong" is incorrect. Regardless of the actions of others he signed legally binding contracts, competed in races, and collected monetary prizes while knowingly "breaking the rules". Are the laws unjust? Sure. But a man's word is his word. If you say you dont cheat then dont cheat. The mentality of "well everyone else is doing it so why shouldn't I"...is for little children...not men. This moral relativism is why America is in decline.
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?' - John Wayne
You may as well take all Olympic medals back from 2012. You think those guys did not use "illegal supplements"?
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You may as well take all Olympic medals back from 1960-2012. You think those guys did not use "illegal supplements"?
Fixed
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It would cost Lance an absolute minimum of $10,000,000 if he admits that shit.
Say nothing!
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It would cost Lance an absolute minimum of $10,000,000 if he admits that shit.
Say nothing!
hasn't he already lost everything he's going to lose? he still has endorsers?
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hasn't he already lost everything he's going to lose? he still has endorsers?
Couple things; He won a $5,000,000 bonus in 2006 (I think it was 2006) for winning the TdF. The firm (not his team) that put up the bonus tried to get out of paying it back then based on some "drug testing issue." They lost the appeal and paid Lance $5,000,000 PLUS interest. They certainly want that money back.
He also had mutiple performance bonus in the big Discovery, US Postal, Radio Shack contracts. The Sponsors could easily want those $3,000,000+ back.
I'll check on the first big bonus and get my numbers right. . . .
Here it is: "Dallas-based SCA was sued by Armstrong and U.S. Postal Service team owner Tailwind Sports in 2004 for failing to pay a $5 million bonus owed to the cyclist for winning his sixth straight Tour de France, which came amid allegations of doping. It settled the suit in 2006, agreeing to pay the $5 million and $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."
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Couple things; He won a $5,000,000 bonus in 2006 (I think it was 2006) for winning the TdF. The firm (not his team) that put up the bonus tried to get out of paying it back then based on some "drug testing issue." They lost the appeal and paid Lance $5,000,000 PLUS interest. They certainly want that money back.
He also had mutiple performance bonus in the big Discovery, US Postal, Radio Shack contracts. The Sponsors could easily want those $3,000,000+ back.
I'll check on the first big bonus and get my numbers right. . . .
Here it is: "Dallas-based SCA was sued by Armstrong and U.S. Postal Service team owner Tailwind Sports in 2004 for failing to pay a $5 million bonus owed to the cyclist for winning his sixth straight Tour de France, which came amid allegations of doping. It settled the suit in 2006, agreeing to pay the $5 million and $2.5 million in interest and legal fees."
He sued and won against a UK newspaper and they already sued him back.
He could also end up in jail just like Marion Jones if he admits. He perjured himself if he admits.
Tommy, do you really think he's sitting there with a beer on a beach in Hawaii with not a care in
the world, "because everyone knows he was the best anyway"?
This guy is royally fucked. He even had to step down from the cancer foundation he lived for, and according to NY Times wealthy donators are pressuring him to admit his guilt, so they can save face with the foundation.
IF he admits, with tears of course, will you think less of the guy? :D
I actually read that USPS could sue him for 90 million.
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Marion Jones came clean. So should Lance.
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"Tommy, do you really think he's sitting there with a beer on a beach in Hawaii with not a care in
the world, "because everyone knows he was the best anyway"?
This guy is royally fucked. He even had to step down from the cancer foundation he lived for, and according to NY Times wealthy donators are pressuring him to admit his guilt, so they can save face with the foundation.
IF he admits, with tears of course, will you think less of the guy?"
I'm sure he's bummed out huge, but he's a tough fucker so he'll be fine.
It would be disheartening to me if he admitted his PED usage. I've always known he was not clean. No one goes that fast, up all those mountains, against the fastest racers in the world, for all those years- drug free. I never wanted a drug-free TdF winner. Nobody does.
Viva Lance!
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(http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/zzmarionjones.jpg)
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He has a networth of 125 million dollars. Set for life.
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:)
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Marion had a little too much abdominal distention and her teeth kept changing even in her early and mid-20's.
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Yep (About Marion)