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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Ledd on December 07, 2005, 11:26:12 AM
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Man every time I get a good back lift I am sick or really fatigued the next day or two. Its not just that I'm really sore, which I am, but I just feel weak and tired and kind of like I have a cold. Is that something to do with my CNS being affected? Any tips on how to keep myself feeling ok would be extremely helpful, thanks.
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I bet you're one of those guys who trains each bodypart once a week, and wonders why his muscles are constantly sore. ::)
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I bet you're one of those guys who trains each bodypart once a week, and wonders why his muscles are constantly sore. ::)
What's the better alternative, O wise one?
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yeahi dont get that post?
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i get that feeling of get sick or throwing up after a hard session. to me, thats a sure sign that i've given everything and left it on the gym floor.
i dont understand to post too. what is so wrong with training everything once a week?? thats the best way to build mass.
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ledd
try doing one less set for each exercise
and eat more
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I bet you're one of those guys who trains each bodypart once a week, and wonders why his muscles are constantly sore. ::)
explain yourself mate
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I bet you're one of those guys who trains each bodypart once a week, and wonders why his muscles are constantly sore. ::)
He that's me! But I don't wonder, I know I have hit those muscles hard and efficient.
Might you be one of those silly gits that does a small bodypump 3 times a week and says your so good you never get sore??? ;D ;D
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i often feel like that after back and leg workouts. as if my whole immune system broke down. i usually take an aspirin and a good nap and just try to live with it.
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Ledd: Why don't you explain what you do on back workouts, as how many time a week, sets & reps? And does this feeling just happen after back workouts? Are you doing too much cardio, too many times a week? Are you on one of those reduced calories diets or are you stuffing yourself with enought quality protein & carbs to recover & grow? In some extreme cases, a little blood work might give a hint to a chemical imbalance with-in the body.
Way too many guy's complain about a problem training on this board but fail to tell the whole story of their workouts, etc and than they expect positive suggestions. Might want to give people here some help so they might help you. Good Luck.
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I just thought of something. How the Hell did Kevin Levrone tear his triceps on a lat pulldown machine?! I know this was years ago, but still, I'd figure if you're gonna tear any secondary muscle on pulldowns, it's biceps. How he managed that, I'll never understand.
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i didnt know that lat pulldowns was so danagous.
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I just thought of something. How the Hell did Kevin Levrone tear his triceps on a lat pulldown machine?! I know this was years ago, but still, I'd figure if you're gonna tear any secondary muscle on pulldowns, it's biceps. How he managed that, I'll never understand.
he didn't lower the weight with control and just let it fly down during the negative; by supporting the negative phase with his arms it tore the tricep.
Just a guess. but an educated one.
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Those ae classic symptoms of overtraining. Try reducing the volume of sets a little. Also, you should take glutamine/creatine/simple carbs/whey immediately after training. This'll help kickstart recovery.
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I bet you're one of those guys who trains each bodypart once a week, and wonders why his muscles are constantly sore. ::)
This makes sense as i recently stopped training each bpart once a week and did liek bench twice and back three times even andsquatting twice a week.
at first i was sore, but after while i got used to it and i think the results are better. when i trained each bpart once a week i was 5 times as sore as what i am now.
But unfortunately I cant explain the theory behind it, but i know what he is saying is true.
anyone...?
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Ledd: Why don't you explain what you do on back workouts, as how many time a week, sets & reps? And does this feeling just happen after back workouts? Are you doing too much cardio, too many times a week? Are you on one of those reduced calories diets or are you stuffing yourself with enought quality protein & carbs to recover & grow? In some extreme cases, a little blood work might give a hint to a chemical imbalance with-in the body.
Way too many guy's complain about a problem training on this board but fail to tell the whole story of their workouts, etc and than they expect positive suggestions. Might want to give people here some help so they might help you. Good Luck.
I start with deads: warmup-15 reps, 1st set 10-12reps, 2nd set 8-10 reps, 3rd set 4-6 reps, 4th set 4-6 reps
Wide grip chins- 5sets 6 reps
lat pulldown- 4 sets 8 reps
seated rows- 3sets 8 reps
Military press-3 sets 8 reps
DB shrugs-4 sets 15 reps
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know that this thead isnt about your back routine but dude wheres the bb rows at? it doesnt look that 'hard ' of a routine to me. did u go to total faliure??
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know that this thead isnt about your back routine but dude wheres the bb rows at? it doesnt look that 'hard ' of a routine to me. did u go to total faliure??
This is my core routine, I will work in bent over rows occasionally but I usually dont need to. I usually do more sets on most of what I posted but I try to do at least what I put down. Failure on the deads, shrugs, and military press.
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I bet you're one of those guys who trains each bodypart once a week, and wonders why his muscles are constantly sore. ::)
What's the better alternative, O wise one?
yeahi dont get that post?
i dont understand to post too. what is so wrong with training everything once a week?? thats the best way to build mass.
With all due respect, training each BP 2Xweek has often been proven to be 'optimal' (although several "it depends" factors play a role too), using an 8 day cycle -vs- a 7 day week. I don't want to start a war here, but I'm sure there will be many "opinions". Let's keep it mature shall we :-* Why does everyone seem to think 1Xweek is the "best" way?
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once a week is a waste of energy..
much more efficient to hit each muscle 2-3 times a week. Yes, failure training is the devil in this case.
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dont do deadlifts or if u do, only do them once a month. that should solve the problem.
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What's the better alternative, O wise one?
He's the guy who says the best way to build your forearms is to bench press! ???
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explain yourself mate
Ozman, he can't he is a clueless wonder.
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dont do deadlifts or if u do, only do them once a month. that should solve the problem.
Once a month?! I love deads and I am consistently stronger with these as the weeks go by, theres no way I'd cut them out, even if they are the culprit.
By the way, the original question was if I could be "hurting" my CNS or if the CNS might have something to do with the explaination?
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With all due respect, training each BP 2Xweek has often been proven to be 'optimal' (although several "it depends" factors play a role too), using an 8 day cycle -vs- a 7 day week. I don't want to start a war here, but I'm sure there will be many "opinions". Let's keep it mature shall we :-* Why does everyone seem to think 1Xweek is the "best" way?
Cause if u hit that body part once a week the right way, it will be too sore to be able to train it twice within 6-7 days. I used to train everything 2x a week, but I realized I wasn't training hard enough. Now it's to the point were i get horribly sore to the point where I can't do chest because I gotta give my back a few more days of rest so that I can tax chest optimally. Same with biceps and back. I gotta space out my workouts right, and in certain order so nothing will interfere. I'm lifting harder, and heavier than I ever have now, so it's tough on my body to recover in enough time to hit the muscle twice a week. YEAH!
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Once a month?! I love deads and I am consistently stronger with these as the weeks go by, theres no way I'd cut them out, even if they are the culprit.
By the way, the original question was if I could be "hurting" my CNS or if the CNS might have something to do with the explaination?
I'm just saying, that's what worked for me. I had the same problem. You have to understand, I train strictly for recreation. Yes, I want to get stronger and bigger, but it isn't the biggest concern in my life. When I deadlift, I have to eat perfect and make sure I get ample rest- two things I don't care to do. I guess if you are really dedicated, go for it.
The thing is that my back is my strongest and most developed bodypart. I get by fine doing pulldowns and rows of all sorts.
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Man every time I get a good back lift I am sick or really fatigued the next day or two. Its not just that I'm really sore, which I am, but I just feel weak and tired and kind of like I have a cold. Is that something to do with my CNS being affected? Any tips on how to keep myself feeling ok would be extremely helpful, thanks.
Dude, you just gotta toughen up.
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once a week is a waste of energy..
much more efficient to hit each muscle 2-3 times a week. Yes, failure training is the devil in this case.
for you maybe...
the biggest and strongest guy i've ever met trained each muscle once a week and did less than 15 total sets. training to positive failure is fine also.
the only thing i ever got from training parts twice a week was bad rotator cuffs and sore elbows.
8)
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With all due respect, training each BP 2Xweek has often been proven to be 'optimal' (although several "it depends" factors play a role too), using an 8 day cycle -vs- a 7 day week. I don't want to start a war here, but I'm sure there will be many "opinions". Let's keep it mature shall we :-* Why does everyone seem to think 1Xweek is the "best" way?
I would agree with carmello on this subject and you also. It's different for everyone. I train pretty intensly and I find if I hit a body part more than once a week I'm overtraining.....I tried doing bi's twice a week and it wasn't working....F**K, let alone doing legs twice a week, no way. My body won't handle it. It literally takes me 3 or 4 days to recover, one or two days of rest, on the sixth or seventh day I'm ready to blast that bodypart again. Anything sooner, doesn't work for me......but thats me.
LEDD: I would cut your workout back. Drop a set and do lighter weight for higher reps, see if that helps. Make sure your breathing right and drinking enough water. Otherwise suck it up. I've puked after squatting and it don't bother me.
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Cause if u hit that body part once a week the right way, it will be too sore to be able to train it twice within 6-7 days. I used to train everything 2x a week, but I realized I wasn't training hard enough.
Did you avoid failure on all sets?
YIP
Zack
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Man every time I get a good back lift I am sick or really fatigued the next day or two. Its not just that I'm really sore, which I am, but I just feel weak and tired and kind of like I have a cold. Is that something to do with my CNS being affected? Any tips on how to keep myself feeling ok would be extremely helpful, thanks.
15 mg of glutamine help me out.
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15 mg of glutamine help me out.
How often is that?
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5mg when you wake, 5mg before lifting, another 5mg before bed.
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glutemine's a myth
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how so?
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glutemine's a myth
Well I'm still open for suggestions, arent most supplements a myth?
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i picked this up just now from some nutrition site...
Like other amino acids, glutamine is biochemically important as a constituent of proteins. Glutamine is also crucial in nitrogen metabolism. Ammonia (formed by nitrogen fixation) is assimilated into organic compounds by converting glutamic acid to glutamine. The enzyme that accomplishes this is called glutamine synthetase. Glutamine can, hence, be used as a nitrogen donor in the biosynthesis of many compounds, including other amino acids, purines, and pyrimidines.
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Nutrition
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Usage
Glutamine is a supplement that is used amongst weight lifters, bodybuilders, as well as those who suffer for muscular cramps or pain - particularly elderly people. The main use of Glutamine within the diet of either groups is to be used as a means of replenishing the body's stores of amino acids that have been used during exercise or everyday activities.
There are still studies which are looking into problems with excessive consumption of Glutamine, which thus far have proved inconclusive. However, normal supplementation is healthy mainly because Glutamine is supposed to be supplemented after prolonged periods of exercise (For example, a workout or exercise in which amino acids are required for use) and replenishes amino acid stores; this being the main reason glutamine is reccomended for those who suffer from trauma, immune deficiencies, cancer, or during fasting.
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Aiding Gastrointestinal function
There have been several recent studies into the effects of glutamine and what properties it posesses, and, there is now a significant body of evidence that links glutamine-enriched diets with intestinal affects; aiding maintenance of gut barrier function, intestinal cell proliferation and differentiation, as well as generally reducing septic morbidity. The reason for such "cleansing" properties is thought to stem from the fact that the intestinal extraction rate of glutamine is higher than other amino acids, and is therefore thought to be the most viable option when attempting to alleviate conditions relating to the gut. [1]
These conditions being discovered after comparing plasma concentration within the gut between glutamine-enriched and non glutamine-enriched diets. However, even though Glutamine is thought to have "cleansing" properties and effects, it is unknown to what extent glutamine has clinical benefits, due to the varied concentrations of glutamine in varieties of food. [2]
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Aiding recovery after surgery
It is also known that Glutamine has various effects in reducing healing time after operations. Particularly, hospital waiting times after abdominal surgery are reduced by providing parenteral nutrition regimens containing amounts of Glutamine to patients. It was discovered in the same clinical trial that patients on supplimentation regimes containing Glutamine had improved nitrogen balances, generation of cysteinyl-leukotrienes from polymorphonuclear neutrophil granulocytes and improved lymphocyte recovery to those who had no Glutamine within their dietary regime; all without any side-effects. [3]
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Well I'm still open for suggestions, arent most supplements a myth?
Never know until you see how it works for YOU