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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Jon Harridan on January 11, 2013, 07:43:11 AM
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So is cardio a giant waste of time? After all, the legend DeFendis says so. Let us all stop doing cardio then and focus exclusively on building muscle to burn fat.
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Where's Moe and Larry
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Cardio is very good for your heart and overall health(blood pressure ect).
But as Galeniko said, its not needed for getting shredded as most people like to assume.
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He trained for like 4 hours and did a shit load of sets
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John really needs to do some cardio, he looks like a massive fat bastard these days, their is no no way being the size John is can be healthy for you at that age.
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How does that saying go again? There were no fat prisoners in concentration camps?
And...
You create your abs in the kitchen not the gym
Of course what he says is being taken out of contexts, cardio will help you loose fat faster.
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diet > cardio
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.1475 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.1475)
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He trained for like 4 hours and did a shit load of sets
I'd rather weight train for twenty minutes and then do some cardio if that's the case.
And I'm sure John was using some "supplements" that helped him along.
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according to 15 all one needs to do get shredded is to buy his gh
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well, hes right.
i have gotten to shredded everything without cardio.
its not needed for everyone, but it helps everyone.
and in case of a natural bb? maybe it can be even more helpful: what do you think?
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diet > cardio
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.1475 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.1475)
That's great seeing as cardio's boring as hell; I can stand only a few minutes of it at most. I can't fathom how the Pros can do 2 hours of cardio a day.
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Cardio isn't nearly as effective as strength training (think intensity, and EPOC), basal metabolic rate (think what added muscle does to BMR), and diet, at burning off stored bodyfat.
Cardio plays a role when you can't use the above 3 things well enough to lose the amount of fat in the time you need to.
Some guys need to add cardio because their BMR isn't high enough to burn off all the fat they have even with all the muscle mass they have (read: they were a Miss Piggy in the off-season and are carrying 65lbs of extra fat at 14 weeks out from the show).
Some guys use cardio as a way to offset their lackluster starving skills. Some guys just can't starve (can't suffer hard enough), so they add cardio to make up the difference.
And you can only starve yourself so much and lose fat only so fast...so if you're too fat and you need to lose 40lbs of fat in 12 weeks, you're going to need to add cardio. If you only need to lose 20lbs of fat in 12 weeks pre-contest, there's no reason you can't get away with just lifting weights and dieting, if you're good at sticking to your daily caloric intake limits.
Of course, if you really extra extra fat, then you'll need some more help (T3, Clen, ephedrine, GH, DNP, etc...). But that's another story.
And finally, some guys just can't lift weights all the time for long periods of time to burn the fat off. Plenty of guys develop over-use injuries doing 2-3hr workouts 5 times or more per week. Elbows get hurt, knees get hurt, shoulders wear out, the lower back spasms....shit like that happens when you get older. If you use enough junk, you can mask the pain, but god help you when you clean out or give up lifting. You will be one busted up sonofabitch. You can't put 10 tons on a 5 ton truck for years at a time and not expect to wear the thing out.
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So is cardio a giant waste of time? After all, the legend DeFendis says so. Let us all stop doing cardio then and focus exclusively on building muscle to burn fat.
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no, it' just good for your heart and pulmonary function. how many pro bodybuilders can complete 45 mins of an AMATEUR soccer game, let alone a pro game?
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providing my diet was the same(clean) ive always lost way more fat by hard weight training alone than i did by doing cardio alone
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and in case of a natural bb? maybe it can be even more helpful: what do you think?
course it is, but seriously whats more important for the average joe to loose weight? That he busts his ass on the bike for 30 min or that he eats properly, combine the two = great results but he probably loosed more weight if he just eats properly.
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That's great seeing as cardio's boring as hell; I can stand only a few minutes of it at most. I can't fathom how the Pros can do 2 hours of cardio a day.
take a look at most of marathon runners or swimers, they doing lots of cadio than bodybuilders.
but they also eat lots carbs & fat. so their difinition not as good as us.
i have a very bad spinals problem, never doing cardio.
but see my update pics
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Dude advocated 20 sets per body part.
intensity or insanity.
HIGH volume training.
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no, it' just good for your heart and pulmonary function. how many pro bodybuilders can complete 45 mins of an AMATEUR soccer game, let alone a pro game?
Yes, DeFendis has already dealt with that issue in the video. That's why I posted it.
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when im natty, i do everything the same way, except lift less weight and less frequently and add some more fats to diet, i get ripped all the same, just some 15-20lbs smaller.
natty to on gear main difference from experience is natural doesnt get away with cheat meals very well.metabolism is slower due to less muscle.
but general rules are same.
problem is-I suppose-being near 40yo putting on muscle mass naturally is harder (impossible for me)...someone suggested to go play with sand instead (GH)
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Cardio isn't nearly as effective as strength training (think intensity, and EPOC), basal metabolic rate (think what added muscle does to BMR), and diet, at burning off stored bodyfat.
Cardio plays a role when you can't use the above 3 things well enough to lose the amount of fat in the time you need to.
Some guys need to add cardio because their BMR isn't high enough to burn off all the fat they have even with all the muscle mass they have (read: they were a Miss Piggy in the off-season and are carrying 65lbs of extra fat at 14 weeks out from the show).
Some guys use cardio as a way to offset their lackluster starving skills. Some guys just can't starve (can't suffer hard enough), so they add cardio to make up the difference.
And you can only starve yourself so much and lose fat only so fast...so if you're too fat and you need to lose 40lbs of fat in 12 weeks, you're going to need to add cardio. If you only need to lose 20lbs of fat in 12 weeks pre-contest, there's no reason you can't get away with just lifting weights and dieting, if you're good at sticking to your daily caloric intake limits.
Of course, if you really extra extra fat, then you'll need some more help (T3, Clen, ephedrine, GH, DNP, etc...). But that's another story.
And finally, some guys just can't lift weights all the time for long periods of time to burn the fat off. Plenty of guys develop over-use injuries doing 2-3hr workouts 5 times or more per week. Elbows get hurt, knees get hurt, shoulders wear out, the lower back spasms....shit like that happens when you get older. If you use enough junk, you can mask the pain, but god help you when you clean out or give up lifting. You will be one busted up sonofabitch. You can't put 10 tons on a 5 ton truck for years at a time and not expect to wear the thing out.
great post and spot on in fact
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course it is, but seriously whats more important for the average joe to loose weight? That he busts his ass on the bike for 30 min or that he eats properly, combine the two = great results but he probably loosed more weight if he just eats properly.
I always went the other way round lolz
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even if you inject it, instead of just buying from him, its not the magic one size fits everything solution that many think it is.
itll make a difference on an already well developed bbuilder, but thats it, as far fatloss goes.
good post snx, but i dont think a really fat person "needs t3 and clean and efedrine".i find steroids to be more importnant factor than those as foundation for dieting.
bjj: yeah, what cardio does is visible on the many girls in the gyms who do cardio only, they always look the very same.no progress.
stark:
for the average joe, if he dont work out with weights, my first advice for dieting to him would be to start working out.
without workout, the bbuilders broscience dieting ways are not usefull
Yeah, don't misunderstand me. Steroids are far more effective dieting drugs than any of the ones I mentioned. I just assumed steroids were "understood" to be part of the equation.
Also, you wrote something smart above about the difference between natty dieting vs juiced dieting. Guys should write that one down.
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hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.
musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.
look, this is lean:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0526.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/IMG_3323.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0525.jpg)
can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
what would you put mc at bodyfat wise?
also, i wouldn't say that he's exactly fat, unless you define fat as over 8-9% bodyfat lol
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shit galeniko, after seeing your pics I'll go to dinner at mcdonalds >:(
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hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.
musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.
look, this is lean:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0526.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/IMG_3323.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0525.jpg)
can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
nice physique man, good shape. Im sure if you add 20 lbs more muscle you would look crazy
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why not go on lifetime hrt and call it a day?
natural limits suck even at age 20,man, im not far from 40 and its pretty much the same from when i was 20.
when natural, i wouldnt even try to put on size, most gonna be fat, when nattyy, focus on being lean, will be somewhat thin from side, but thats what a any natty looks like once hes lean.
focus on lean if natural,if im natural and not considerably lean, i dont even look like i work out.or rather like a fatso who recntly picked up training
I know I'll be destroyed by everyone here but I want to be honest with you: I'm afraid of prostate cancer (also family history don't help).
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I know I'll be destroyed by everyone here but I want to be honest with you: I'm afraid of prostate cancer (also family history don't help).
No one will call you out for that reason. Prostate cancer scares the hell out of me too. Should scare the hell out of any sane man.
I often wonder if decca is a good "HRT" drug that doesn't pose as much cancer risk to the prostate.
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Of course it's not nec. Fat loss is calories in less thn calories out. But defendis was also on a bunch of shit too. I'd be interested to see him coach a kid clean n see wuts possible to have tons of mass n lean w no cardio
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nono, thats a valid point,man.
on somewhat bright side, its said that 50%(!) of males develop some form of prostate cancer throughout their lifetime.
wonder what docs would say on this issue
dj181, the chinese liars bodyfat there is "too much".i dont care what the caliper would say, hes flabby around the navel.10% +
so you think that's it's actual fat and not bloat/water?
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I wonder if he did any cardio...
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take a look at most of marathon runners or swimers, they doing lots of cadio than bodybuilders.
but they also eat lots carbs & fat. so their difinition not as good as us.
i have a very bad spinals problem, never doing cardio.
but see my update pics
Musclecenter putting 99% of getbiggers to shame. ;)
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hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.
musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.
look, this is lean:
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can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
:o
Repercussions imminent.
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hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.
musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.
look, this is lean:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0526.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/IMG_3323.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0525.jpg)
can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
WTF Galeniko, this has to be what? almost a year now that you have looked like your 2 weeks out from contest, wow, you have some serious discipline and/or insane metabolism.
See people, take note, this is year round lean. Especially you Tbombz, it is all mentality at this point, those who fail should step it up a notch and look to Galeniko for some inspiriation, motavation and advise, but most importantly how he stays mentally charged to stay this way year round, sir that is impressive,.... in before Chaos tells me to get my lips off your ass, shut up chaos you homo, in advance ;D :D
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WTF Galeniko, this has to be what? almost a year now that you have looked like your 2 weeks out from contest, wow, you have some serious discipline and/or insane metabolism.
See people, take note, this is year round lean. Especially you Tbombz, it is all mentality at this point, those who fail should step it up a notch and look to Galeniko for some inspiriation, motavation and advise, but most importantly how he stays mentally charged to stay this way year round, sir that is impressive,.... in before Chaos tells me to get my lips off your ass, shut up chaos you homo, in advance ;D :D
Galeniko does look very impressive, but sounds like youre asking for ripped glute shots ;D
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There was a study concluded recently that found out what I've intuitively known all along: cardio induces a disproportionate hunger leading to ingestion of more kcals, than are burned by the cardio itself.
Even if you burned off 500 kcals, if you don't strictly stick to a set kcal intake, you'll ingest more foods worth than those 500 kcals burned.
This of course providing you eat by hunger. But no matter what, extra hunger is never a winner.
So: it is not needed (never was) and possibly seriously counterproductive. Ditch it.
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There was a study concluded recently that found out what I've intuitively known all along: cardio induces a disproportionate hunger leading to ingestion of more kcals, than are burned by the cardio itself.
Even if you burned off 500 kcals, if you don't strictly stick to a set kcal intake, you'll ingest more foods worth than those 500 kcals burned.
This of course providing you eat by hunger. But no matter what, extra hunger is never a winner.
So: it is not needed (never was) and possibly seriously counterproductive. Ditch it.
what's the leanest you've ever been stud?
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educate yourself
According to the American College of Sports Medicine, cardio, or cardiovascular exercise, is any activity that increases heart rate and respiration while using large muscle groups repetitively and rhythmically. The root word "card," or "heart," provides a clue as to why this type of exercise is so important. By providing training that progressively challenges your most vital internal life support network, cardio can improve both the function and the performance of your heart, lungs and circulatory system.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/114986-definition-cardio-exercise/#ixzz2HnfQAPtO
Today most associate the word cardio with running on a treadmill or something, but thats flawed thinking, your heart has no clue if the cause of increase is from running, or lifting
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what's the leanest you've ever been stud?
No idea dj. (in %)
But my face then looks so terrible, I basically have to stay (a lot) fatter than I'd want body-wise. Last summer people came asking me if I was terminally ill repeatedly. I then saw pictures of my face and it did look like I was in the terminal stages of cancer or Aids. Even my eye sockets were so sunken in my eyes appeared to be bulging out.
I don't even think I was really that lean, just terrible genetics/fat distribution for epic leans :-\
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educate yourself
According to the American College of Sports Medicine, cardio, or cardiovascular exercise, is any activity that increases heart rate and respiration while using large muscle groups repetitively and rhythmically. The root word "card," or "heart," provides a clue as to why this type of exercise is so important. By providing training that progressively challenges your most vital internal life support network, cardio can improve both the function and the performance of your heart, lungs and circulatory system.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/114986-definition-cardio-exercise/#ixzz2HnfQAPtO
Today most associate the word cardio with running on a treadmill or something, but thats flawed thinking, your heart has no clue if the cause of increase is from running, or lifting
I've heard several cardiologists say, and it makes sense, that everyone's heart has a certain number of built in beats it can take genetically. That's why athletes generally die younger than non-athletes. Sitting on your couch will lead to a longer functioning heart than doing regular cardio.
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Pedro Brugada is one of the cardiologists saying this should you be interested.
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John Meadows also says cardio is not needed because well, it's not. It feels good to do it but if you eat less, you won't need it.
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think what added muscle does to BMR
I think it was 7 calories for each pound of muscle/day. Not as much as most would assume.
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I often wonder if decca is a good "HRT" drug that doesn't pose as much cancer risk to the prostate.
Low dose trenbolone?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20138077
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21266670
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My conditioning is nuts and I also NEVER do cardio...haven't done cardio in years actually...
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/abs2012_zpsa397a026.jpg)
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/bodywww2012005_zps18a898c7.jpg)
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well, hes right.
i have gotten to shredded everything without cardio.
its not needed for everyone, but it helps everyone.
Amen, i dropped the most weight when i just focused on my diet, cardio was overrated.
True story.
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My conditioning is nuts and I also NEVER do cardio...haven't done cardio in years actually...
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/abs2012_zpsa397a026.jpg)
(http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx81/ElasticHulk/bodywww2012005_zps18a898c7.jpg)
BOOOM Very cool Indie, that is awesome.
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Defendis is a fat man giving diet advice. I know EXACTLY what he advocates - I used to work for him.
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hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.
musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.
look, this is lean:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0526.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/IMG_3323.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0525.jpg)
can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
Oh man, please detail your diet brother, either here or PM. awesome leaness
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You do not need cardio to get ripped and these people who run on the tread mill for hours on end will end up with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.
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You do not need cardio to get ripped and these people who run on the tread mill for hours on end will end up with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.
So it's all about the diet for you?
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hm, i dont think 20 sets per bodypart is much, i always do that.
musclecenter, youre quite fat man, the muscle pops out somewhat due to steroids use, but look at your navel, its burried in fat.
look, this is lean:
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0526.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/IMG_3323.jpg)
(http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0525.jpg)
can someone translate "hope this helps" for our resident chinese liar now?
im really impressed you look like that year round, I like becoming a fatty too much. You have an awesome physique and look like you are in your 20s(in a good way).. Props to you
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You do not need cardio to get ripped and these people who run on the tread mill for hours on end will end up with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.
Dr. Kenneth Cooper found out that so-called "health nuts" ie. those who ate very "healthy" diets and didn't smoke or drink and trained often (running and/or weight training) and on a regular basis were dying prematurely
he hypothesized that it's was due to over-training, and he said something to the effect that those who train more than 1 hour per week are not doing it for health reasons
he's one of the guys who was responsible for starting the running craze in the u s of a back in the 1970s
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Regarding cardio for health, did you guys see the recent news about research
showing how some people simply do not respond to cardiovascular exercise?
They don't get better endurance and some actually get worse glucose tolerance.
They can actually do some gene testing now to predict who will not respond
positively to cardio.
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Dr. Kenneth Cooper found out that so-called "health nuts" ie. those who ate very "healthy" diets and didn't smoke or drink and trained often (running and/or weight training) and on a regular basis were dying prematurely
he hypothesized that it's was due to over-training, and he said something to the effect that those who train more than 1 hour per week are not doing it for health reasons
he's one of the guys who was responsible for starting the running craze in the u s of a back in the 1970s
That is a serious misinterpretation of what Cooper stated. He never said those who train over an hour a week are not doing it for health reasons. He absolutely never said that. He did say according to his massive research that doing to much cardio or his term aerobics has a leveling off of health benefits. He was talking about people who do massive amount of mileage training for a marathon. Cooper ran three miles a day throughout much of his life and continues to run/walk. He continues to promote eating healthy, cardio and other exercise like strength/yoga.
What he said in effect according to his research is that running more than 15 miles a week gave no extra health benefit. How many bodybuilders run more than 15 miles a week?
He still promotes with serious research how aerobics promotes the loss of visceral and subcutaneous fat. It can lower blood pressure and lower triglycerides. How it changes the ratios of HDL to LDL in cholesterol. How it lowers high blood sugar. It increase the strength of the heart muscle so it slows your resting heart rate.
Heart attacks are the number one killer of man. While cardio is never a cure all it has prevented more heart attacks than it caused. Many heart attacks happen during sleep but you never hear anyone saying you shouldn't sleep cause their uncle died of a massive heart attack while sleeping.
Regarding the need for cardio to get ripped it has been shown time and time again that guys that do volume training get ripped without it. Maybe doing 20 sets a body part is consuming massive amounts of calories and has an aerobic effect in it's self.
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that's interesting what you say oldtimer, coz that quote about anyone doing over 1 hour of training per week comes from a statement that AJ made concerning Cooper's conclusions
also Mentzer said a thing or 2 about this in his interview with Bill Phillips
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So is cardio a giant waste of time? After all, the legend DeFendis says so. Let us all stop doing cardio then and focus exclusively on building muscle to burn fat.
He was being sarcastic.
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So it's all about the diet for you?
Well, not just for me but for everyone.
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Well Melvin doesn't believe in cardio either. :)
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farah says cardio is more useful in the off season to increase nutrient absorbtion
in contest prep it should be limited because you are depleted and all
he said
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farah says cardio is more useful in the off season to increase nutrient absorbtion
in contest prep it should be limited because you are depleted and all
he said
Yeah, that's what he said in his Ireland seminar but I don't know about how valid his point is. Nutrient absorption? I thought cardio was catabolic.
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Yeah, that's what he said in his Ireland seminar but I don't know about how valid his point is. Nutrient absorption? I thought cardio was catabolic.
i think it makes a lot of sense what he said
you are not going catabolic from some moderate cardio while eating a lot of food
not a chance
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the barbarian bros once said that there's no overtraining only under-eating
i think that it's better to keep the cals up while keeping the activity level up
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How in heavens name would cardio improve nutrient absorption? It draws blood away from the stomach...
He probably meant nutrient distribution via blood volume or something like that.
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Well Melvin doesn't believe in cardio either. :)
Wrong...aerobic exercise is good for the heart and helps stimulate the metabolism. You simply need to keep it to a low intensity and make sure you also do weight training as well.
Best time to do it is in the morning on an empty stomach
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goes like this, no carbs other than from veggies, some 50-150gramms of carbs from vegs a day, traces fats and 300gramms of protein.
rather 50g carbs than 150.
the most important thing, eat a meal, wait till hungry, then i kill off the hunger by drinking water or diet coke and smoke a ciggi, then the hunger feeling goes away, then i eat the next meal.then wait till hungry again rinse repeat.
no cheat days, if ill have something to not go insane from diet, i just have some straight up fast carbs, theyre fast in and fast out.not liquids one, though.
no post workout shakes.
no eating all 3 hrs, dont be affraid to entirely perposedly miss meals and sometimes dont eat for 10hrs, as long i can hold through.
if a random binge happens, wait out till really hungry before returning to clean diet again.
thats all, no magic, just bit suffering.
once lean, i get away with random huge huge cheat meals(not cheat days, though), the key,i honestly belive, is the waiting for next hunger before eating again.
even if i get out of shape a bit by eating 10k cals of junk for 3 days straight, the conditioning is back to this within days after returning to proper diet.
thanks for that, appreciate it. Good post.