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Title: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Fury on January 20, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
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“To me, a rifle is not for sporting or hunting. It is an instrument of freedom.

It guarantees that I cannot be coerced, that I have free will, that I am a free man.

Now suppose, the 20 milllion Beijing citizens had a couple million rifles on hand in 1989? How many rounds should they have been allowed to load into their magazines? Ten rounds? Seven rounds? How about three rounds?


Do not give up the fight, my friends. It may be a small step that you give up your rifle, or a 30 round magazine.

But it will be a giant leap toward the destruction of this republic.

In closing, I will quote the words of Captain John Parker. “Stand your ground. Do not fire until fired upon. But, if they want a war, let it start here.”

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Oppressed foreigners know what the idiots in this country do not.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 05:19:18 PM
Yes!  Thanks for posting this!
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Skip8282 on January 20, 2013, 05:39:16 PM




Oppressed foreigners know what the idiots in this country do not.




Post of the week.

Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 20, 2013, 05:45:52 PM
these pro gun ban morons probably dont even know about tiananmen square.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Soul Crusher on January 20, 2013, 07:52:05 PM
good thread!
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: pedro01 on January 20, 2013, 09:06:32 PM
Chinese government used Tanks In that protest, so rifles would have been useless.

If the rifles had turned out to be useful, the Chinese would have carpet bombed the square.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 20, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
Chinese government used Tanks In that protest, so rifles would have been useless.

If the rifles had turned out to be useful, the Chinese would have carpet bombed the square.
youre right theres never been any incident in history when a smaller force with weaker fire power has ever defended themselves against a stronger better equiped opponent.

OH WAIT HISTORY IS FULL OF INCIDENTS LIKE THAT!!!

we had tanks in vietnam, we have tanks now in the middle east

you should think before you spout off idiocy based in emotion.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 20, 2013, 10:08:52 PM
youre right theres never been any incident in history when a smaller force with weaker fire power has ever defended themselves against a stronger better equiped opponent.

OH WAIT HISTORY IS FULL OF INCIDENTS LIKE THAT!!!

we had tanks in vietnam, we have tanks now in the middle east

you should think before you spout off idiocy based in emotion.

Thank you, he's a fool...  ;D
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Hugo Chavez on January 20, 2013, 10:49:15 PM
Chinese government used Tanks In that protest, so rifles would have been useless.

If the rifles had turned out to be useful, the Chinese would have carpet bombed the square.
What are you going to say next, that if a majority of chinese were armed, the government would have just nuked their own country lol ::)
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Fury on January 21, 2013, 07:50:12 AM
Chinese government used Tanks In that protest, so rifles would have been useless.

If the rifles had turned out to be useful, the Chinese would have carpet bombed the square.

Seems the Syrian rebels have been doing OK.  ::)


Guerrilla warfare works.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: dario73 on January 21, 2013, 09:55:58 AM
Chinese government used Tanks In that protest, so rifles would have been useless.

If the rifles had turned out to be useful, the Chinese would have carpet bombed the square.

Tu eres un imbecil de primer orden.

Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Straw Man on January 21, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
I guess France and Poland and Belgium didn't have rifles and handguns and that's why Germany was able to occupy their countries

Damn, I bet they feel stupid now when all they needed were to get some guns in the hands of their citizens
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 04:01:37 PM
I guess France and Poland and Belgium didn't have rifles and handguns and that's why Germany was able to occupy their countries

Damn, I bet they feel stupid now when all they needed were to get some guns in the hands of their citizens

The resistance wasn't very well armed, yet they actually achieved a lot.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 21, 2013, 04:44:03 PM
I guess France and Poland and Belgium didn't have rifles and handguns and that's why Germany was able to occupy their countries

Damn, I bet they feel stupid now when all they needed were to get some guns in the hands of their citizens
so youre saying they should have just surrendered without any sort of a fight and rolled over b/c they were outmatched?

Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Straw Man on January 21, 2013, 04:56:24 PM
so youre saying they should have just surrendered without any sort of a fight and rolled over b/c they were outmatched?

jesus christ you're dumb

I'm not even going to bother explaining my point to you

you'll only ignore it just every single time I explained my point about gun legislation you "heard" that I want to ban all guns
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Fury on January 21, 2013, 05:16:55 PM
jesus christ you're dumb

I'm not even going to bother explaining my point to you

you'll only ignore it just every single time I explained my point about gun legislation you "heard" that I want to ban all guns

Tell us again how you think the 2nd amendment only applies to muskets.

"jesus christ you're dumb"
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Straw Man on January 21, 2013, 05:21:54 PM
Tell us again how you think the 2nd amendment only applies to muskets.

"jesus christ you're dumb"

I never said it applied only to muskets

go find the post where I mentioned muskets and bump it and then I'll explain it to your dumbass
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: pedro01 on January 21, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
youre right theres never been any incident in history when a smaller force with weaker fire power has ever defended themselves against a stronger better equiped opponent.

OH WAIT HISTORY IS FULL OF INCIDENTS LIKE THAT!!!

we had tanks in vietnam, we have tanks now in the middle east

you should think before you spout off idiocy based in emotion.

You've not been to China have you, petal?

You ever even been outside of the US?

Just because the US is constantly overwhelmed by forces with weaker firepower means very little when you talk about a government such as China in the same position.

This is why hooo-rah isn't required in Tibet or anywhere else China decides to take over.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: pedro01 on January 21, 2013, 06:01:21 PM
What are you going to say next, that if a majority of chinese were armed, the government would have just nuked their own country lol ::)


No - I said they would quite happily carpet bomb a square full of armed protesters.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: pedro01 on January 21, 2013, 06:03:06 PM
Seems the Syrian rebels have been doing OK.  ::)


Guerrilla warfare works.

Yes - because the Syrians aren't Chinese and they have to keep one eye on the west.

Chine does not give a fuck what the west thinks and will happily wipe out large groups of people if they feel threatened.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Skip8282 on January 21, 2013, 06:16:21 PM
jesus christ you're dumb

I'm not even going to bother explaining my point to you

you'll only ignore it just every single time I explained my point about gun legislation you "heard" that I want to ban all guns



Sure sounds like you're saying roll over and surrender.  What are you getting at?
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 21, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
You've not been to China have you, petal?

You ever even been outside of the US?

Just because the US is constantly overwhelmed by forces with weaker firepower means very little when you talk about a government such as China in the same position.

This is why hooo-rah isn't required in Tibet or anywhere else China decides to take over.
actually i am quite well traveled, not just here in the US but abroad as well.
Ive also had the benefit of studying history and know for a fact that youre wrong...
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 21, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
No - I said they would quite happily carpet bomb a square full of armed protesters.
LOL why didnt they think of that in vietnam?

of they did...

LOL why didnt they think of that in iraq/afghanistan?

civilian casaulties...

you think all the ppl fighting the govt would wear uniforms and march together?

fuking idiot, this would be a guerilla warfare scenario. The govt wouldnt be able to tell friendlies from enemies.

how would they know who to bomb?
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Straw Man on January 21, 2013, 06:37:47 PM
Sure sounds like you're saying roll over and surrender.  What are you getting at?

I'm saying guns in the hands of civilians are no match for the heavy weapons of the military

did you really not understand that was what I was saying

Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Roger Bacon on January 21, 2013, 06:39:20 PM
I'm saying guns in the hands of civilians are no match for the heavy weapons of the military

That's completely false

Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 21, 2013, 06:45:05 PM
I'm saying guns in the hands of civilians are no match for the heavy weapons of the military

did you really not understand that was what I was saying


except this has been proven wrong time and time again...

its being proven wrong right now in the middle east, that is unless you think al queda is really dead ::)

did we not completely out gun the viet cong?

nazi's had far superior technology and weaponry in regards to the russians but they were able to fight them off with guns you could make in metal shop(LITERALLY YOU COULD MAKE THAT SHIT IN METAL SHOP!!!)


Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 21, 2013, 06:46:19 PM
I'm saying guns in the hands of civilians are no match for the heavy weapons of the military

did you really not understand that was what I was saying


even if this was true, which its not...does that mean we should just roll over and surrender?

thats exactly what youre implying straw.

Do you feel we should still fight?

if you do, why would you want to limit the means to do so?
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: pedro01 on January 21, 2013, 06:54:42 PM
LOL why didnt they think of that in vietnam?

of they did...

LOL why didnt they think of that in iraq/afghanistan?

civilian casaulties...

you think all the ppl fighting the govt would wear uniforms and march together?

fuking idiot, this would be a guerilla warfare scenario. The govt wouldnt be able to tell friendlies from enemies.

how would they know who to bomb?

Ever heard of Tibet?
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: tonymctones on January 21, 2013, 07:12:37 PM
Ever heard of Tibet?
ever heard of vietnam, iraq, afghanistan, russia WW2, russian and afghanistan?

LOL so what youre saying is that it isnt a forgone conclusion which is what Im saying. So we can agree that under armed, under equiped forces do stand a fighting chance against better armed, better equiped opponents.

Im not saying that they will win only that they can win.

if you disagree not only are you a grade A jack ass but you know nothing of history.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: Fury on January 21, 2013, 08:02:02 PM
Ever heard of Tibet?

Haha, what weapons did Tibetans have?

Hint: none.


Some of the dumbest comments I've read on here in a long time.
Title: Re: Tiananmen Square protest in favor of 2nd amendment
Post by: pedro01 on January 21, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Haha, what weapons did Tibetans have?

Hint: none.


Some of the dumbest comments I've read on here in a long time.

You miss the point.

The US has failed in so many places because they do not have the will of the Chinese to eradicate opposition.

The US goes to war without the will to do what is necessary to succeed. This is why the US fails everywhere it goes.

China doesn't give 2 shits and as I said - if you go back to the OP - of a Tianemen square protester - my point still stands. Give the Tianemen protesters guns and all you'd have is dead protestors because the Chinese just don't have the same ideals holding them back as the Americans.