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This tragedy may have been prevented if the family was wearing full body armor 24/7 (just to be safe) and if all family members (kids included) were carrying handguns.
Guns don't kill people... wait... they killed 5 people... but more guns would have made things better... brought to you by the NRA.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1317594--teen-gunman-fatally-shoots-5-in-u-s-home (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1317594--teen-gunman-fatally-shoots-5-in-u-s-home)
Teen gunman fatally shoots 5 in U.S. home
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.—Three children and two adults were shot to death a home in southwest Albuquerque, N.M., by a teenager using, among other weapons, an assault rifle, the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Department said Sunday.
The 15-year-old suspect, who was not identified, was arrested on suspicion of murder and “child abuse resulting in death,” the Sheriff’s Department said in a written statement.
Each victim — a man, a woman, a boy and two girls — had been shot several times, authorities said. Their ages were not given.
But local officials identified one of the five victims as a fire department chaplain who also worked with jail inmates. Albuquerque Fire Chief James Breen says Greg Griego’s calming spirit and gentle nature will be greatly missed.
Metropolitan Detention Center Chief Ramon Rustin says Griego volunteered at the jail for 13 years and was instrumental in the creation of its chaplain program.
When deputies arrived at the home, they found several weapons inside, and “multiple” guns appeared to have been used, including the rifle, the sheriff’s office said.
“There’s no other way to say it, but we have a horrific crime scene we’re working, and it’ll be intensive, and we’ll work hard to do everything that needs to be done,” Sheriff Dan Houston told KRQE, an Albuquerque TV station.
Sheriff’s Department spokesman Aaron Williamson said Sunday afternoon that officials were still working to identify the victims and the owner of the guns. Officials had not yet determined whether the victims were related to each other or to the suspect.
Williamson said police had not had any recent history of responding to calls at the home or the surrounding area.
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This wouldnt have happend at all if guns werent available right woo?
brought to you by moronic foreigners.
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http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Fort-Benton-police-investigating-stabbing-death-4209436.php
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/3-arrested-in-stabbing-death-of-Hemet-teen-16-4204367.php
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/crime/article/Prosecutors-probe-stabbing-death-of-Camden-man-4192338.php
ppl kill other ppl with guns, knives, cars, their hands etc...
the common denominator, PPL KILL PPL
what part of that do you not understand?
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Either the media is entering a phase of hellbent dedication to reporting gun homicide where previously they did not (and gun crime hasn't actually increased), or otherwise there may be a wave of vaguely Sandy Hook-esque "copycat" incidents on the horizon, an unfortunate phenomenon effecting the frequency of a variety of crimes but also imaginary events like alien abductions and demonic possessions (e.g., a report of a bizarre and "unexplained" alien abduction comes out and subsequently reports of abduction spike for a time). It's also possible that gun homicide is ticking upward for some other unexplained reason.
I hope analysts and policymakers are smart enough to differentiate the above scenarios and determine which is actually occurring before formulating a response.
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they must have bought into the NRA advertising
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Either the media is entering a phase of hellbent dedication to reporting gun homicide where previously they did not (and gun crime hasn't actually increased), or otherwise there may be a wave of vaguely Sandy Hook-esque "copycat" incidents on the horizon, an unfortunate phenomenon effecting the frequency of a variety of crimes but also imaginary events like alien abductions and demonic possessions (e.g., a bizarre and "unexplained" report comes out and subsequently reports of abduction spike for a time). It's also possible that gun homicide is ticking upward for some other unexplained reason.
I hope analysts and policymakers are smart enough to differentiate the above scenarios and determine which is actually occurring before formulating a response.
its the former and no they are not...
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Either the media is entering a phase of hellbent dedication to reporting gun homicide where previously they did not (and gun crime hasn't actually increased), or otherwise there may be a wave of vaguely Sandy Hook-esque "copycat" incidents on the horizon, an unfortunate phenomenon effecting the frequency of a variety of crimes but also imaginary events like alien abductions and demonic possessions (e.g., a report of a bizarre and "unexplained" alien abduction comes out and subsequently reports of abduction spike for a time). It's also possible that gun homicide is ticking upward for some other unexplained reason.
I hope analysts and policymakers are smart enough to differentiate the above scenarios and determine which is actually occurring before formulating a response.
oh yea, the media is hellbent on reporting every little bit they can find now and they will... Shit that wouldn't make the national news before will now for sure.
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oh yea, the media is hellbent on reporting every little bit they can find now and they will... Shit that wouldn't make the national news before will now for sure.
unless the gun use is in defense of someone, then it will certainly go under the radar
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why didn't this guy just use a hammer ?
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Notice how its rarely or never people 30 yo and up doing this shit?
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why didn't this guy just use a hammer ?
probably b/c it was easier to kill them with a gun just like it is with knifes, blunt objects, cars, bombs etc.
what are you not for banning any of those?
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Notice how its rarely or never people 30 yo and up doing this shit?
Video games?
What are you driving at?
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If I ever snap and go on a killing spree I am not using a gun. I am just going to throw all my victims to the ground and deliver a Hogan style leg drop on them. Cause we all know nobody ever gets up from that.
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This tragedy may have been prevented if the family was wearing full body armor 24/7 (just to be safe) and if all family members (kids included) were carrying handguns.
Guns don't kill people... wait... they killed 5 people... but more guns would have made things better... brought to you by the NRA.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1317594--teen-gunman-fatally-shoots-5-in-u-s-home (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1317594--teen-gunman-fatally-shoots-5-in-u-s-home)
Teen gunman fatally shoots 5 in U.S. home
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.—Three children and two adults were shot to death a home in southwest Albuquerque, N.M., by a teenager using, among other weapons, an assault rifle, the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Department said Sunday.
The 15-year-old suspect, who was not identified, was arrested on suspicion of murder and “child abuse resulting in death,” the Sheriff’s Department said in a written statement.
Each victim — a man, a woman, a boy and two girls — had been shot several times, authorities said. Their ages were not given.
But local officials identified one of the five victims as a fire department chaplain who also worked with jail inmates. Albuquerque Fire Chief James Breen says Greg Griego’s calming spirit and gentle nature will be greatly missed.
Metropolitan Detention Center Chief Ramon Rustin says Griego volunteered at the jail for 13 years and was instrumental in the creation of its chaplain program.
When deputies arrived at the home, they found several weapons inside, and “multiple” guns appeared to have been used, including the rifle, the sheriff’s office said.
“There’s no other way to say it, but we have a horrific crime scene we’re working, and it’ll be intensive, and we’ll work hard to do everything that needs to be done,” Sheriff Dan Houston told KRQE, an Albuquerque TV station.
Sheriff’s Department spokesman Aaron Williamson said Sunday afternoon that officials were still working to identify the victims and the owner of the guns. Officials had not yet determined whether the victims were related to each other or to the suspect.
Williamson said police had not had any recent history of responding to calls at the home or the surrounding area.
The family had it coming.
They should have armed themselves.
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The family had it coming.
They should have armed themselves.
i am curious what the NRA's response would be.... maybe an armed police officer in every home in america?
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i am curious what the NRA's response would be.... maybe an armed police officer in every home in america?
Thats a lot of government employees and a shitload of spending right there.
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Thats a lot of government employees and a shitload of spending right there.
right.... maybe a private security company then... or lots of personal security small businesses...
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Here’s a List of People Injured or Killed by Guns on ‘Gun Appreciation Day’
Robert Kessler
Yesterday was deemed a day to appreciate your guns in America, and boy did we. Five people were shot at gun shows in North Carolina, Ohio and Indiana. These were not, however, the only instances of gun violence yesterday.
As happens everyday, numerous people were either injured or killed by guns on "Gun Appreciation Day," be it on purpose or accidentally. Spanning Alaska to Florida, here are those people:
A 14-year-old suburban Atlanta boy shot and killed his 15-year-old brother while playing with their mother's handgun.
A 26 year old was shot and killed while driving in San Francisco.
A man was found dead from a gunshot wound in his home in Kansas City, Kansas.
A woman in an El Paso County, Texas shooting range was hit in the knee by a bullet that ricocheted off a trash can.
Two women were shot to death in a Dallas-area home.
Two women were injured after someone opened fire at a crowded soccer field in Las Vegas.
A 15-year-old girl was shot while sleeping in her bed when her Anchorage home was shot at.
A 7-year-old boy in Tallahassee shot a 5 year old with a gun he found in a 22-year-old relative's room.
A Huntsville woman shot her boyfriend after the two had an argument.
A 23-year-old man died after being accidentally shot in a Greshman, Oregon home.
A Cleveland father has been charged in connection with the death of his 6-year-old daughter from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
One man was shot in Elyria, Ohio, just west of Cleveland, early Saturday morning.
A man was found shot dead in a parking lot in Greenville County, South Carolina.
Two people were shot and killed outside an inn in Hampton, Virginia.
At least 10 people were shot in Chicago, at least two were fatal.
A Colorado Springs man was driven to the hospital with a gunshot wound.
A Jackson, Mississippi police officer was shot while responding to a disturbance call.
One man was shot at a Martin Luther King Jr. parade in Jackson.
Two men and one woman were shot at a home in Oakland.
An 11-year-old boy was shot in an Oklahoma City apartment complex.
Police in Richmond, Virginia are looking for three men who shot another man in his thirties.
Police believe gang violence is to blame for the shooting death of one man in Santa Ana, California.
An early morning shooting in Tuscaloosa injured two teenagers.
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One man was shot at a Martin Luther King Jr. parade in Jackson.
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One man was shot at a Martin Luther King Jr. parade in Jackson.
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probably b/c it was easier to kill them with a gun just like it is with knifes, blunt objects, cars, bombs etc.
what are you not for banning any of those?
so you're saying a gun is an easy way to kill people
if so they why are you asking me about banning knives and blunt object when I've NEVER even advocated banning guns
It's seems almost like you've never heard me say that before
weird
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Shit happens. Sad, but true. He isn't the first person to flip out, and he won't be the last.
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Shit happens. Sad, but true. He isn't the first person to flip out, and he won't be the last.
True enough. But per the story this wasn't a street thug who obtained illegal weapons to use. These were ordinary americants with weapons in their home.
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True enough. But per the story this wasn't a street thug who obtained illegal weapons to use. These were ordinary americants with weapons in their home.
The kid's insanity can't be pushed from the foreground, though, as convenient as it may be to attempt to do so.
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so you're saying a gun is an easy way to kill people
if so they why are you asking me about banning knives and blunt object when I've NEVER even advocated banning guns
It's seems almost like you've never heard me say that before
weird
you dont advocate the banning of any guns?
thats news to me, youve been on here mutiple times ranting and raving about "assault weapons" and wanting them banned.
youre not ranting and raving against knives over a certain length, sharpened tips, hammers over a certain size etc.
This is nothing more than an attempt to politicize a tragic situation to further political agenda.
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True enough. But per the story this wasn't a street thug who obtained illegal weapons to use. These were ordinary americants with weapons in their home.
The story didnt say anything about how he obtained his weapons.
He was a teenager so we know he didnt go buy them himself...
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you dont advocate the banning of any guns?
thats news to me, youve been on here mutiple times ranting and raving about "assault weapons" and wanting them banned.
youre not ranting and raving against knives over a certain length, sharpened tips, hammers over a certain size etc.
This is nothing more than an attempt to politicize a tragic situation to further political agenda.
feel free to bump any post where you think I "ranted and raved"
I will get a laugh to see what you think that looks like
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I hope shooting victims don't whine for their lives when they're being shot to death.
I mean, have some respect for the constitution, crybaby.
Am I right?
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The story didnt say anything about how he obtained his weapons.
He was a teenager so we know he didnt go buy them himself...
I'll bet they belonged to his parents
I wonder if they even bothered to lock them
They had young kids in the house and one would hope that they kept them locked up if only to prevent the kids from getting at them and having an accident
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I hope shooting victims don't whine for their lives when they're being shot to death.
I mean, have some respect for the constitution, crybaby.
Am I right?
the story is actually pretty sad and gruesome
Mom shot in her sleep, younger son wakes up and asks older son what happened and he showed his brother the mothers bloody head and then shot him in the head and went into his sisters room and they were crying and he shot them both in the head
really just unreal to imagine someone could do that to anyone but especially their own family
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I'll bet they belonged to his parents
I wonder if they even bothered to lock them
They had young kids in the house and one would hope that they kept them locked up if only to prevent the kids from getting at them and having an accident
This, exactly this.
If you have children and don't keep your firearms locked up, you're a fucking idiot.
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I'll bet they belonged to his parents
I wonder if they even bothered to lock them
They had young kids in the house and one would hope that they kept them locked up if only to prevent the kids from getting at them and having an accident
On this we can totally agree...
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why didn't this guy just use a hammer ?
I think I'd rather be shot than killed with a hammer which happens you know but I suppose you think it doesn't and of course we'll all be safe when there are no more guns lol...
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I think I'd rather be shot than killed with a hammer which happens you know but I suppose you think it doesn't and of course we'll all be safe when there are no more guns lol...
I'll keep that in mind if I decide to kill you
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I'll keep that in mind if I decide to kill you
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Thinking that people like this will change their mind if they don't have a firearm available has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in this debate.
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Thinking that people like this will change their mind if they don't have a firearm available has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in this debate.
agreed
now show me where I ever said that they would change their mind
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I'll bet they belonged to his parents
I wonder if they even bothered to lock them
They had young kids in the house and one would hope that they kept them locked up if only to prevent the kids from getting at them and having an accident
Ditto
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agreed
now show me where I ever said that they would change their mind
what the hell is the point of asking why he didn't just use a hammer?
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what the hell is the point of asking why he didn't just use a hammer?
the point out the utter STUPIDITY of another poster on this board who started threads saying we should ban hammers, cars, swimming pools, etc..
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the point out the utter STUPIDITY of another poster on this board who started threads saying we should ban hammers, cars, swimming pools, etc..
should we highlight all posts that call for stronger gun regulations as if that will stop ppl like this?
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should we highlight all posts that call for stronger gun regulations as if that will stop ppl like this?
is there a legal requirement to lock guns up in that state?
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should we highlight all posts that call for stronger gun regulations as if that will stop ppl like this?
I've never said stronger gun regulations would stop people intent on committing mass murder
I've said that MANY MANY times now
I wonder how many more times you'll keep pretending otherwise
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is there a legal requirement to lock guns up in that state?
not that I know of, its pretty common fucking sense though especially if you have children in the house.
Even if there was one it wouldnt do much good as it would be near impossible to enforce.
I dont think my dad ever had a gun available to me and my brother growing up but we had a big safe. Even if there was one there we were both educated and warned very well about ever touching a gun without an adult there.
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should we highlight all posts that call for stronger gun regulations as if that will stop ppl like this?
this
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I've never said stronger gun regulations would stop people intent on committing mass murder
I've said that MANY MANY times now
I wonder how many more times you'll keep pretending otherwise
so again it isnt total body count that matters, its body count at one time that matters.
B/c weve already proven that many more ppl die by other means of murder than assault rifles.
of course you will call me a name and tell me Im wrong but thats exactly what youre implying...::)
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I've never said stronger gun regulations would stop people intent on committing mass murder
I've said that MANY MANY times now
I wonder how many more times you'll keep pretending otherwise
then what's the point of wanting tougher gun control? You are the person who thinks we should only be able to own muskets lol...
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not that I know of, its pretty common fucking sense though especially if you have children in the house.
Even if there was one it wouldnt do much good as it would be near impossible to enforce.
I dont think my dad ever had a gun available to me and my brother growing up but we had a big safe. Even if there was one there we were both educated and warned very well about ever touching a gun without an adult there.
in canada it's the law... guns locked up and ammo either locked up with them or stored separately... i agree it should be common sense but you know how that goes...
i agree that it's impossible to enforce this pre-crime... but it can certainly tack on years if found to be an issue as part of a crime or a separate investigation...
sometimes just making it the law helps people wise-up... i mean you could just pull your seat belt over your shoulder and pretend to wear it but most of us just click it in
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'Ridiculous' on this day: 5 shot on Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. in New Orleans
By Jeff Black, Staff Writer, NBC News
Five people standing outside a grocery store on Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in New Orleans were wounded in a drive-by shooting on Monday, police said.
None of the injuries was considered life-threatening, officials said.
The incident took place at the intersection of LaSalle Street and Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, police said.
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Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas, who was among those who responded to the scene, told NBC station WDSU that six teenage boys or young men were outside a small grocery when a late-model white sedan drove past, with shots fired from inside the car.
The car then sped off.
A New Orleans Police Department official told the station that a surveillance camera captured the incident and that video recordings were being reviewed.
The violence happened shortly after New Orleans' annual parade honoring slain civil rights activist and nonviolence standard-bearer Martin Luther King Jr. passed through the neighborhood.
The irony was not lost on police or residents.
"It's ridiculous this violence happened on this day," one witness told WDSU.
"It's the state of affairs in our nation that young men do not heed the words of Martin Luther King Jr.," Serpas told the Times-Picayune, which also reported that the shooting did not appear to be linked to the parade.
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then what's the point of wanting tougher gun control? You are the person who thinks we should only be able to own muskets lol...
really?
I've only said it ten or twenty times now
the purpose is to reduce some of the incidents and more importantly to reduce the amount of death and carnage
Nothing it going to stop all violence just like seatbelts don't prevent all auto deaths
they just help reduce the severity of the accidents
Now, I wonder how many more times I'll have to say this very same thing
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really?
I've only said it ten or twenty times now
the purpose is to reduce some of the incidents and more importantly to reduce the amount of death and carnage
Nothing it going to stop all violence just like seatbelts don't prevent all auto deaths
they just help reduce the severity of the accidents
Now, I wonder how many more times I'll have to say this very same thing
so I will say again, its not the total body count that bothers you but the amount of death at one time.
B/c as we have already shown murders by other mean happen much more often and your not pushing regulation on to limit those.
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really?
I've only said it ten or twenty times now
the purpose is to reduce some of the incidents and more importantly to reduce the amount of death and carnage
Nothing it going to stop all violence just like seatbelts don't prevent all auto deaths
they just help reduce the severity of the accidents
Now, I wonder how many more times I'll have to say this very same thing
Looks like most of the stats show violent crime increases with stronger gun control. Why do you want to see an increase in violent crimes straw? I think that's been pointed out a few dozen times too but you must think it's bullshit or you're ingoring it lol.
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Looks like most of the stats show violent crime increases with stronger gun control. Why do you want to see an increase in violent crimes straw? I think that's been pointed out a few dozen times too but you must think it's bullshit or you're ingoring it lol.
He refuses to believe it since he keeps pushing for tighter gun control. Otherwise, he would take his own advice and provide statistics by impartial sources PROVING the contrary.
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Looks like most of the stats show violent crime increases with stronger gun control. Why do you want to see an increase in violent crimes straw? I think that's been pointed out a few dozen times too but you must think it's bullshit or you're ingoring it lol.
link to stats
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link to stats
The number of mass murders and the body counts taken place in gun free zones as opposed to none gun free zones.
Look it up
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The number of mass murders and the body counts taken place in gun free zones as opposed to none gun free zones.
Look it up
HEHHEHE!.
Let's see what blacken, the board's special person, comes up with.
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HEHHEHE!.
Let's see what blacken, the board's special person, comes up with.
Its amazing to me that law abiding blacks back gun control.
Talk about stupid.
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HEHHEHE!.
Let's see what blacken, the board's special person, comes up with.
dario,the board's religious hypocrite
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dario,the board's religious hypocrite
How am I hypocrite? I don't own a gun, but I am not going to infringe on someone else's rights to own one.
Keep this in mind special person, your rights end where the other person's rights begins.