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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
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Apart from Ronnie, Dex is the only Bber of the past decade who can be argued to be better or at least as good as the guys on that list. Even Cutler with his 4 sandows pales in comparison. Dex might be boring but at his best, he's pretty much flawless (apart from his famous calves).
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I respect Dexter more than those guys because for the most part, he may be the most consistent pro in history
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Should have started this with your GThing gimmick, you could have done some more race baiting. ::)
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He's coming to the end of his career. The body can only tolerate drug abuse for so long before a major organ fails.... 10-12 years tops.
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
It shows he went up against a generation of shitty bbers. Did he ever beat Ray, Flex, or Ronnie (probably when he was buying bus tickets to shows) in a money show? Ok, he beat Cutler, Mr 2-4 Olympia, because two wins were robberies.
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For not using OIL, Dexter already is better bodybuilder than Flex natural freak tech sports drugs abuser.
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
Technically yes but as BB goes judging is biased, Flex had more pleasing lines and symmetry just my take. Seems Dex always win's in a weak lineup ie when someone is injured or such, not knocking a great physique. He will probably win this one unless Kai shows up.
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
Physique wise very few are better then Flex. Status wise Dexter's win at this Arnolds mean absolutely nothing as he is already better then all of them for his Olympia win. Non of them made it to the top of the mountain, non of them won a Sandow, hence they are all in a category below Dexter.
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
The only name that doesn't belong in that group.
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in my opinion he is already better than those guys:
veteran,been on stage and top places for many years now.
constantly in shape,manage to keep his gut under control
have a sandow
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I think bodybuilding is about you who beat. Titles themselves doesn't mean anything. Even a guy as good as Chris Cormier always got his ass kicked in the 90s(except 99) because the competition was so tough and in my opinion Cormier is better than Jackson. Dexter got his chances against Kevin, Shawn and Flex at the Olympia and it didn't go that well.
Kevin 1-4
Shawn 0-3
Flex 1-2
Dex is a great bodybuilder but not in the league of those three.
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Should have started this with your GThing gimmick, you could have done some more race baiting. ::)
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We are two entirely different people. I wouldn't answer myself in my own thread with a gimmick---that is another person's MO.
Galeniko, G, and OneTimeHard, and others you all make valid points.
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in short.plain yes.
because he is better.
ok, nobody is better than flex coming in at 100% shredded, but that dont matter.
yes dexter is better than those.
harder and sharper than flex
makes levrones waist look small and destroys levrone from the back.
bigger and sharper than shawn, better structure and bellies.
beter than cormier simply bc of better shreddedness and fuller muscle.
nasser?nasser dont deserve to be named along those great athletes, nasser is an oil bag with no back whatsoever.
Structure isn't better than Shawn ray bigger yes but Shawn stayed around the same weight for over 10 yrs
Dexs torso ab/area are odd looking giving off high lats and u can see from double bi/back and front poses
I still think Richard jones and Victor m had more potential but we are not talking potential only what is brought to the stage.
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If we going by wins is Branch Warren is better than Shawn, Chris, and a dozen others and ties with levrone with 2 AC wins
Is that the case? Do many agree branch is elite? I don't think so ::)
Also who is better Heath or dex since Heath has 2 O wins??hmmm
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Structure isn't better than Shawn ray bigger yes but Shawn stayed around the same weight for over 10 yrs
Dexs torso ab/area are odd looking giving off high lats and u can see from double bi/back and front poses
I still think Richard jones and Victor m had more potential but we are not talking potential only what is brought to the stage.
interesting is that Richard Jones, who seems like a Shawn Ray clone, except one thing. He has Triceps like Ronnie Coleman.
Would have like to see what Richard Jones could do, at like 220-225 pounds. Which is roughly what Phil Heath weighed when he won his two Pro shows in 2006.
Vic has just bad luck.
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Should have started this with your GThing gimmick, you could have done some more race baiting. ::)
My "G" is a gimmick. ::)
You're an ex-convict and trailer park brute. That's not a gimmick.
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Much wider than Heath :D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-z_ZJji0oyjg/Ti4TFHfGVRI/AAAAAAAACsI/KSg7B2Y8j94/s1600/RichardJones2.jpg)
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I respect Dexter more than those guys because for the most part, he may be the most consistent pro in history
Quote this for truth!
The guy is consistent, won an Olympia, a Master's Olympia, soon to be 4 Arnold Classics, never destroyed his physique along the way...
What else is he supposed to do to get respect?
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
Competition wise sure , but physique wise NO
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he has a sandow....
so what so does that middle weight with the heavywight arms... heath
and culter
..so lets say shawn rhoden wins the o... is he better than flex levrone and cormier :-\ :-\
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dex is good
but not better tan flex kevin shawn cormier no way.... when those guys were peak he couldnt even get a look in
id like him to win because hes the best bber in the world with a complete physique at the moment
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Competition wise sure , but physique wise NO
this... x 100000
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Yes , dex will be ranked higher then flex
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Dex is at another level higher than Wheeler
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My "G" is a gimmick. ::)
You're an ex-convict and trailer park brute. That's not a gimmick.
Let it out Parker.....let it all out. ;)
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We all know who wins between wheeler and Ninjas
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/4485d1115433206-dexter-jackson-ninja-turtle-dex.jpg)
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Dexter lost to all those guys and I don't think he's changed much since then. He just competes against weaker competition.
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
Next to Coleman, he is the best bodybuilder since Yates. End thread.
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Flex Wheeler has a nostalgia and mystique more powerful than contest placings
maybe in 10 years Dex will have the same. probably not though since he'll still be competing . . .
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dex is one uglyyyyyyyyyyyy mo fo
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Competition wise sure , but physique wise NO
Pretty much summarizes how dex compares to those guys in one sentence
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ppl dont value dexter enough.
flex wheeler,apart from god given lines and flows dont deserve a comparo to dexter.
why, look at flex, all oil in shoulders and arms, now look at dexter, every striation pushing through the skin.
an actual body.
I agree that he's not valued enough..not even close. Guy won an Olympia, multiple Arnolds, Masters O etc., has been around forever, and has never ruined his physique in anyway. If there was any pro's drug protocol and philosophy that I would want to see, it would be his, because he's been doing this shit forever at an extremely high and consistent level.
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I would bet that his cock is still fully functional, if not huge. (No homo)
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Ben Pakulski will win the ASC :o
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b591/StanleyAnimal/Ben1_zps88c9e815.jpg)
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I agree that he's not valued enough..not even close. Guy won an Olympia, multiple Arnolds, Masters O etc., has been around forever, and has never ruined his physique in anyway. If there was any pro's drug protocol and philosophy that I would want to see, it would be his, because he's been doing this shit forever at an extremely high and consistent level.
Dexter does not get the respect cause he competes as a long term career not in it to win a show but in it as a day job so he has a lot of shows where he places 4th and 5th and then back to winning. Where as the guys that make it to the top, stay there and when they start dropping they retire.
Now I must say Dexter`s placings have no effect on his mentality and that is a freak of nature to be able to disregard his feelings; he doesn`t get mad or complains or nothing, if he loses he just says ``who cares on to the next show``pure stoic like in his approach and that is a legend in my books to be able to do that and still not give up and come back after getting knocked down. The man is a true warrior
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Ben Pakulski will win the ASC :o
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b591/StanleyAnimal/Ben1_zps88c9e815.jpg)
not unless he brings a back.
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not unless he brings a back.
Nasser won it without one ;D
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Ben Pakulski will win the ASC :o
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b591/StanleyAnimal/Ben1_zps88c9e815.jpg)
would love to see this
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Nasser won it without one ;D
because Levrone didn't bring his A Game and was flat.
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Nasser won it without one ;D
;D
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
big difference between achieving a better career and achieving a better physique..
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Is that a hernia in the center of his abs?
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b591/StanleyAnimal/Ben1_zps88c9e815.jpg)
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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in short.plain yes.
because he is better.
ok, nobody is better than flex coming in at 100% shredded, but that dont matter.
yes dexter is better than those.
harder and sharper than flex
makes levrones waist look small and destroys levrone from the back.
bigger and sharper than shawn, better structure and bellies.
beter than cormier simply bc of better shreddedness and fuller muscle.
nasser?nasser dont deserve to be named along those great athletes, nasser is an oil bag with no back whatsoever.
so being sharper than flex makes him better??.. at his very best flex was by far better,.. overall shape,.. lines..
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because Levrone didn't bring his A Game and was flat.
when nasser was at his very best or close to it levrone never beat him except at the 95 olympia..
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when nasser was at his very best or close to it levrone never beat him except at the 95 olympia..
Nasser is no match for a prime Levrone.
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Nasser is no match for a prime Levrone.
yes this is why he beat levron so many times during levron's best years ::)
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yes this is why he beat levron so many times during levron's best years ::)
Nasser only beat Levrone when Levrone was off and Nasser`s best was 97 where Levrone utterly slaughtered him in back to back grand prix`s multiple times after Levrone improved. Levrone beat Nasser way more times bro, get your facts straight here
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yes this is why he beat levron so many times during levron's best years ::)
When was Levrone's prime years?
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Nasser only beat Levrone when Levrone was off and Nasser`s best was 97 where Levrone utterly slaughtered him in back to back grand prix`s multiple times after Levrone improved. Levrone beat Nasser way more times bro, get your facts straight here
nasser was not at his best in 97 and still beat levrone at the olympia.. levrone returned his best during the tour and nasser hold some water.. the gp tour is to collect more cash only.. also nasser told me that in this tour of 97 he was ahead of levrone in many shows in all rounds except the posing routine.. so according to the judges levrone won only because he was posing better..
during nasser's best years 95-98 levrone only beat him once at the olympia and nasser beat him 3 times..
and yes levrone beat him more because he kept his best for more years than nasser,.. so imo levrone has a better record/career but nasser had a better physique when both were at their very best..
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When was Levrone's prime years?
i can say from 92 to 2002.. eleven whole years, amazing career.. this is what i am saying he had a better career and more good years than nasser.. still at nasser's very best it was very hard for levrone even when he was on to beat nasser..
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When was Levrone's prime years?
According to Levrone 2000 was his best look. I think both 96 and 94 Arnold wins were his best, his 92 look was amazing too and way different look not as thick but better lines. Anyone of those kills Nasser. In fact Levrone beat Nasser at Nasser`s best in all those grand pris`s in 97 after Nasser placed second at the Olympia. Levrone is 4 time Olympia runner up and 2 time Arnold, Nasser is not in the same league here.
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According to Levrone 2000 was his best look. I think both 96 and 94 Arnold wins were his best, his 92 look was amazing too and way different look not as thick but better lines. Anyone of those kills Nasser. In fact Levrone beat Nasser at Nasser`s best in all those grand pris`s in 97 after Nasser placed second at the Olympia. Levrone is 4 time Olympia runner up and 2 time Arnold, Nasser is not in the same league here.
nasser's best is not the 97 olympia.. his best shows imo are:
95 huston and NOC..
96 olympia..
97 AC..
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nasser's best is not the 97 olympia.. his best shows imo are:
95 huston and NOC..
96 olympia..
97 AC..
Either way Nasser`s best does not compare and very few bodybuilding judges on the planet will agree with you
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Either way Nasser`s best does not compare and very few bodybuilding judges on the planet will agree with you
at their very best which poses you give to kevin and which poses to nasser??..
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at their very best which poses you give to kevin and which poses to nasser??..
Kev wins all back & side poses
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I think bodybuilding is about you who beat. Titles themselves doesn't mean anything. Even a guy as good as Chris Cormier always got his ass kicked in the 90s(except 99) because the competition was so tough and in my opinion Cormier is better than Jackson. Dexter got his chances against Kevin, Shawn and Flex at the Olympia and it didn't go that well.
Kevin 1-4
Shawn 0-3
Flex 1-2
Dex is a great bodybuilder but not in the league of those three.
Those guys retired a couple years after Dexter turned pro... They were beating him when he was 205lb on stage...Dexter didnt peak until 5 years later...
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Not Kev's best is it?
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Not Kev's best is it?
nor nasser's best ;)
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nor nasser's best ;)
And? see 1995 Olympia ;)
Wanna go down this road? Bobs took a dirty beaten so will you ;)
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at their very best which poses you give to kevin and which poses to nasser??..
side tricep, side chest, back double, front lat spread, most muscular (hands together, Levrone is untouchable in this shot) side Qturns both sides and back Qturn. Abs and thighs - tie, Nasser takes front double and back lat spread and that`s it. Also Levrone poses better
12 poses
Levrone 5 poses + 3 turns and ties for another pose
Nasser 2 poses + 1 turn and ties for another pose.
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side tricep, side chest, back double, front lat spread, most muscular (hands together, Levrone is untouchable in this shot) side Qturns both sides and back Qturn. Abs and thighs - tie, Nasser takes front double and back lat spread and that`s it. Also Levrone poses better
12 poses
Levrone 5 poses + 3 turns and ties for another pose
Nasser 2 poses + 1 turn and ties for another pose.
Ouch he wont recover
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And? see 1995 Olympia ;)
Wanna go down this road? Bobs took a dirty beaten so will you ;)
there was a long thread where we compared the 2 of them for 100 pages and you were proved wrong as always..
;D
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Actually, I take something back, Levrone takes rear lat spread as well, Nasser`s thicker waist and visible oil in rear delts made me change my mind.
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he wins the mr death soon hahaaha
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there was a long thread where we compared the 2 of them for 100 pages and you were proved wrong as always..
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lol ' proved ' wrong lol that means a bunch of Nasser fans denying reality
Kevin at his best smokes Nasser at his , not DEBATABLE never will be , Nasser will always be a top-tier bodybuilder from the front and a 4 tier from the sides and a 10th tier from the back
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side tricep, side chest, back double, front lat spread, most muscular (hands together, Levrone is untouchable in this shot) side Qturns both sides and back Qturn. Abs and thighs - tie, Nasser takes front double and back lat spread and that`s it. Also Levrone poses better
12 poses
Levrone 5 poses + 3 turns and ties for another pose
Nasser 2 poses + 1 turn and ties for another pose.
front lat spread?.. are you sure?.. no way.. levrone never reached this level of size and fullness..
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Those guys retired a couple years after Dexter turned pro... They were beating him when he was 205lb on stage...Dexter didnt peak until 5 years later...
Ya no doubt lol :)
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and i agree levrone had one of the best mm but over all nasser's was better especially when counting the whole lower body..
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side..
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levrone's back was one of his weakest points too..
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front lat spread?.. are you sure?.. no way.. levrone never reached this level of size and fullness..
From a judging stand point that is a horrible front lat spread. The waist is very blocky and there is literally zero separation between arms and delts, this is what synthol does. Also very poor separation overall and shallow lines, not very deep
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levrone's back was one of his weakest points too..
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Yeah it's as bad as Nassers was ::)
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hahhahah just noticed you said they tie in the abs and thighs..
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seriously at his very best nasser had one of the very best abs and thigh pose ever.. levrone never came close to this..
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the real king of the mm poses "all variations"..
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hahhahah just noticed you said they tie in the abs and thighs..
Bro all the pictures your are using are working against you, anyone can see Levrone is beating Nasser in that pic, Nasser`s thick and blocky waist ruins this pose.
Now you hang out with the guy, he is your friend so your perception is not clear and you are also biased, but then again you wouldn`t be human if you weren`t
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Bro all the pictures your are using are working against you, anyone can see Levrone is beating Nasser in that pic, Nasser`s thick and blocky waist ruins this pose.
Now you hang out with the guy, he is your friend so your perception is not clear and you are also biased, but then again you wouldn`t be human if you weren`t
nasser's takes the front relaxed too 8)
conclusion: you are a good guy who knows how to stop dark ppl from trying to change the great egyptian history ;D
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nasser's takes the front relaxed too 8)
conclusion: you are a good guy who knows how to stop dark ppl from trying to change the great egyptian history ;D
lol ;D and yes I agree Nasser take the front relax and the other variation of the most muscular.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461766.0;attach=507697;image) nasser and achim had good ab symmetry
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Well .....he won....guess will now.. ::)
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Ben Pakulski will win the ASC :o
(http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b591/StanleyAnimal/Ben1_zps88c9e815.jpg)
Can thong get any smaller??!! :-\
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hahhahah just noticed you said they tie in the abs and thighs..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461766.0;attach=507694;image)
It might be the black and white shot but Dorian is exhibiting insane dryness and conditioning there.
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seriously at his very best nasser had one of the very best abs and thigh pose ever.. levrone never came close to this..
No he didn't. His abs were very unaesthetic. They look like fat lumps, and lacked good serratus and intercostals. Look to Shawn Ray, Flex, Chris, Levrone, Francois, Pastel, Paris, Grubbs, Sarcev, Vince Taylor, and even Lee Priest as great examples of good abs.
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No he didn't. His abs were very unaesthetic. They look like fat lumps, and lacked good serratus and intercostals. Look to Shawn Ray, Flex, Chris, Levrone, Francois, Pastel, Paris, Grubbs, Sarcev, Vince Taylor, and even Lee Priest as great examples of good abs.
nasser's abs are very good... and i am not taking about abs i am talking about the whole pose.. big difference..
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Shawn Ray so got fucked. Dex is now actually rewarded for staying the same.
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Shawn Ray so got fucked. Dex is now actually rewarded for staying the same.
The problem with Shawn was he couldn't keep his mouth shut, too outspoken killed him IMO
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No he didn't. His abs were very unaesthetic. They look like fat lumps, and lacked good serratus and intercostals. Look to Shawn Ray, Flex, Chris, Levrone, Francois, Pastel, Paris, Grubbs, Sarcev, Vince Taylor, and even Lee Priest as great examples of good abs.
;D
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;D
they actually looked better when he weighed less (when he first started).
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they actually looked better when he weighed less (when he first started).
I agree
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I agree
everything about him looked better.
I've beginning to see what bbing is really about.
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I agree
you know that he was 268 pounds in this below pic. and they looked great..
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The thing with Nasser's huge waist was it was all of his own doing. His waist wasn't genetically big to begin with. He had a great balence of size and asthetics at the NOC. Pretty much ruined himself after that, always too big and blocky, with his "fat" ab stack throwing off most poses. To be fair, Yates did the same thing. Had a tight, almost small waistline at first. But he had tools Nasser obviously didn't to pull off the increased width of his waist. Mainly Dorian's back was Olympia caliber and Nasser's back was um........as good as the fat permabulker I see in the gym everday?
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you know that he was 268 pounds in this below pic. and they looked great..
I scanned that pic ;)
One of Nasser's strongest poses and one of the best ever in it. I always said that he DESTROYS Kevin in it no questions asked in my opinion
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
Its dumb to compare bodybuilders in such a form. It is what it is. Some people have luck of the draw and others don't. Both are legends. This is applicable to anyone at any level of competition because at the end of the day the only thing that matters is what you think of yourself.
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I scanned that pic ;)
One of Nasser's strongest poses and one of the best ever in it. I always said that he DESTROYS Kevin in it no questions asked in my opinion
so i am sure you agree with me his version of huston 95 at 268 pounds was better than that pic. you posted from 94 where he was around 245 pounds??..
even if he had some more back details in 94 still his over all shape, size, fullness, and, thickness was much better one year later.. and sure this was not the case with all his big versions..
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so i am sure you agree with me his version of huston 95 at 268 pounds was better than that pic. you posted from 94 where he was around 245 pounds??..
even if he had some more back details in 94 still his over all shape, size, fullness, and, thickness was much better one year later.. and sure this was not the case with all his big versions..
He was 250 in 94 and yes I think his all time best is 85 Houston , but when people talk about him being big they mean 275+
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If Dex wins the Arnold this weekend, that means he will have tied Flex for 4 wins of the ASC. Plus, he has won the Mr. Olympia. Would this mean in theory, that he is "better" than Flex, Levrone, Shawn, Chris Cormier, Nasser? Granted, to some the Sandow alone means that he is.
Dex at his best would never beat Levrone or Flex at their best! Maybe Cormier or Nasser! The answer for me is No!
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He's coming to the end of his career. The body can only tolerate drug abuse for so long before a major organ fails.... 10-12 years tops.
Dex has been competing for far longer that that, well over 20 years (15 as a pro, and a successful one at at that).
He states he's feeling better than he has in years. And, as long as he's winning and placing high, there's no need for him to stop.
His only complaint, in my view, should be Masters Olympia. Maybe they should go back to calling it the Masters Pro World Championships. Dex got $100,000 for that win in 2011. He only got $75,000 for the Masters Olympia last year. I thought the moniker "Olympia" added more prestige (i.e. MONEY) to the title.