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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Roger Bacon on March 03, 2013, 01:01:56 PM
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(No homo)
I was watching the crossfit games or whatever it's called. Most of the guys (in the finals) looked better than 90% of natural bodybuilders.
I couldn't careless about fitness really, but is this how nattys should be training? How do these assholes train? I see them doing about a million clean and presses, jumping on plywood boxes and that's about all I know.
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(/no homo)
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Peds
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oh yeah... I just assumed these shit heads were naturals...
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oh yeah... I just assumed these shit heads were naturals...
My experience-
Any that look better than natural bb are likely using.
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the top two guys - rich 'shirtless' frowning and his buddy are supposed to be crischens. they can't lie/break the law, etc.
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Not sure if natural though....
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Crossfit started out as regular old "Cross training" (look up John Jesse's training or Bob Gadja's PHA training for a very similar type of training) with some hip marketing behind it to market it to yuppies. It also helped that it was getting popular as people were tiring of the specialization fitness programs, and older fitness ideas were becoming popular again(Olympic lifting, bodyweight training, Kettlebells, etc......).
With Crossfit, it really depends on who's designing the training. There are, and were, some smart folks attached to it, but as it became popular the level of programming went down. It slowly turned turned into "How can I get the most training done in the shortest amount of time" rather than smart training. The fellas that questioned it were either stifled by corporate or left on their own.
Some also stayed for the Crossfit branding because it brings in the cash, but moved toward their own style of traing with a few Crossfit principles thrown in. These are the one's that actually do the best. Very few actually follow the traditional Crossfit main page workouts that the public see.
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Thanks, that's interesting...
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Crossfit started out as regular old "Cross training" (look up John Jesse's training or Bob Gadja's PHA training for a very similar type of training) with some hip marketing behind it to market it to yuppies. It also helped that it was getting popular as people were tiring of the specialization fitness programs, and older fitness ideas were becoming popular again(Olympic lifting, bodyweight training, Kettlebells, etc......).
With Crossfit, it really depends on who's designing the training. There are, and were, some smart folks attached to it, but as it became popular the level of programming went down. It slowly turned turned into "How can I get the most training done in the shortest amount of time" rather than smart training. The fellas that questioned it were either stifled by corporate or left on their own.
Some also stayed for the Crossfit branding because it brings in the cash, but moved toward their own style of traing with a few Crossfit principles thrown in. These are the one's that actually do the best. Very few actually follow the traditional Crossfit main page workouts that the public see.
Thats the truth right there. Unfortunately with youtube SOOO many dumb shits think they are top notch trainers/coaches. The last comment you said about very few follow the HQ shit is true. I am a number of guys who have affiliates and keep it because of the name. Think of it this way. When bodybuilding was really exploding (think late 80's early 90's) would you love to be able to just pay like $1000 for the "Golds Gym" name? I am sure many would. As I am sure many would also train people the way they want to and not follow something posted online. I certainly hope this is isn't going to turn into a battle with Coach and I. Recently I tried to bury the hatchet with him via PM but don't know how good/bad it was received.
I am no CFD (crossfit douche) like I was a BBD (bodybuilding douche), old age has tempered me in that aspect. I love the challenge and hope to compete next year in the games. Funny thing about last years games. The THIRD place prize was more than the FIRST PLACE money in my last pro show for bodybuilding.
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when i looked pretty good i did alot of cardio every day got weak as hell no way i couldve done those lifts but i looked like i couldve. i enjoyed the vince gironda method , short rest light weights 8 reps sets then did alot of cardio
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The women's Cross Fit games is really cool to watch. Some really beautiful girls competing.
The blond Scandinavian girl that was real pale in the tall socks really got me going.
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I had one crossfitter tell me they train for life. Everything isn't the same and everything is high intensity. Again, program of randomness, no assessments, little in the way of progressions and little if any ecord keeping.
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Crossfit believes that most sports is training for specificity. They believe in training for fitness in all the categories of fitness like strength, power, balance, speed, conditioning and such. So in effect they don't concentrate in any one area of fitness. One thing they don't do is aerobic conditioning as in distance running,swimming or biking. It's one area of fitness they don't feel is important. They feel sports specific training is of course specialized to the sport played.
If I remember correctly the founder was a gymnast who also had an interest in Olympic weightlifting. He is out of shape now but he is treated with respect among crossfit followers. The main organization puts out a WOD that is a workout of the day that is varied that many follow. Individual gyms naturally can follow their own workouts or choose to follow the WOD. Each owner is certified by the main cross fit organization.
In truth of course you can find beginners and the fringe doing silly stuff on youtube videos but you can also find the elite doing incredible stuff. Many a bodybuilder or bench specialist have been put to shame by women with their lack of conditioning.
They have been criticized that some followers are so rabid that they have actually damaged their kidneys by muscle damage doing the work outs beyond healthy reason. Also some wonder about the safety of doing high rep Olympic lifts. They are fond too of kipping pull ups where the they will jerk their body to get their reps.
If you are interested it's easy enough to find information from their site. A workout could be something like 3 rounds of 15 clean and jerks with 135lbs, 30 burppees, 15 chins, 40 free hand squats and a quarter mile sprint all for total time.
I lift weights, run and sometimes bike. I can't put down a dedicated crossfit follower. Just like there are beginner lifters and advance the same for crossfit. A guy who is serious about crossfit is ripped and in serious shape.
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Crossfit believes that most sports is training for specificity. They believe in training for fitness in all the categories of fitness like strength, power, balance, speed, conditioning and such. So in effect they don't concentrate in any one area of fitness. One thing they don't do is aerobic conditioning as in distance running,swimming or biking. It's one area of fitness they don't feel is important. They feel sports specific training is of course specialized to the sport played.
If I remember correctly the founder was a gymnast who also had an interest in Olympic weightlifting. He is out of shape now but he is treated with respect among crossfit followers. The main organization puts out a WOD that is a workout of the day that is varied that many follow. Individual gyms naturally can follow their own workouts or choose to follow the WOD. Each owner is certified by the main cross fit organization.
In truth of course you can find beginners and the fringe doing silly stuff on youtube videos but you can also find the elite doing incredible stuff. Many a bodybuilder or bench specialist have been put to shame by women with their lack of conditioning.
They have been criticized that some followers are so rabid that they have actually damaged their kidneys by muscle damage doing the work outs beyond healthy reason. Also some wonder about the safety of doing high rep Olympic lifts. They are fond too of kipping pull ups where the they will jerk their body to get their reps.
If you are interested it's easy enough to find information from their site. A workout could be something like 3 rounds of 15 clean and jerks with 135lbs, 30 burppees, 15 chins, 40 free hand squats and a quarter mile sprint all for total time.
I lift weights, run and sometimes bike. I can't put down a dedicated crossfit follower. Just like there are beginner lifters and advance the same for crossfit. A guy who is serious about crossfit is ripped and in serious shape.
Thank you, I was kind of interested because I'm at a new gym and there are some people doing Crossfit stuff. It looks really cool, but to me it doesn't look like they're accomplishing much.
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(/no homo)
Posting that, I think, means you have switched back to homo.
no homo
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I had one crossfitter tell me they train for life. Everything isn't the same and everything is high intensity. Again, program of randomness, no assessments, little in the way of progressions and little if any ecord keeping.
Joe, do we have to go through this again? The good coaches will use good programming that is tracked.
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::) Douchebaggery . In its highest form . All the explaining you need .
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It looks really cool, but to me it doesn't look like they're accomplishing much.
Trust your instincts.
I suspect most people who "do" Crossfit are like the ones you see massively failing in YouTube montages. They have little or no proper instruction, and the only thing they're working on is an injury.
There's also something to be said about an institution that uses 25 lb plates that are the same diameter as conventional 45 lb plates, just much thinner. Is this to make them feel better about something?
If you want training variety, why not just learn traditional Olympic lifts the right way? Also, many gyms offer various fitness classes, most with plenty of hot babes enrolled. There's your motivation and conditioning. Most of all, you'll receive proper instruction and be less likely to hurt yourself.
Additionally, no one will laugh at you for doing "kipping pull-ups."
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Trust your instincts.
I suspect most people who "do" Crossfit are like the ones you see massively failing in YouTube montages. They have little or no proper instruction, and the only thing they're working on is an injury.
There's also something to be said about an institution that uses 25 lb plates that are the same diameter as conventional 45 lb plates, just much thinner. Is this to make them feel better about something?
If you want training variety, why not just learn traditional Olympic lifts the right way? Also, many gyms offer various fitness classes, most with plenty of hot babes enrolled. There's your motivation and conditioning. Most of all, you'll receive proper instruction and be less likely to hurt yourself.
Additionally, no one will laugh at you for doing "kipping pull-ups."
Wow, you pinpointed it! haha
I didn't know about the thin plates, that's hilarious! I need to order some of those.
I was at the gym, and this guy (no clue why, not sure if it was crossfit related) was doing pushups on the squat rack safety bars that catch the bar when you squat too low. He had both arms on one side and both feet balances on the other bar.
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Trust your instincts.
I suspect most people who "do" Crossfit are like the ones you see massively failing in YouTube montages. They have little or no proper instruction, and the only thing they're working on is an injury.
There's also something to be said about an institution that uses 25 lb plates that are the same diameter as conventional 45 lb plates, just much thinner. Is this to make them feel better about something?
If you want training variety, why not just learn traditional Olympic lifts the right way? Also, many gyms offer various fitness classes, most with plenty of hot babes enrolled. There's your motivation and conditioning. Most of all, you'll receive proper instruction and be less likely to hurt yourself.
Additionally, no one will laugh at you for doing "kipping pull-ups."
So, olympic lifting is bullshit because they use the 25lb olympic-sized plates?
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So, olympic lifting is bullshit because they use the 25lb olympic-sized plates?
Answer my question first.
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I was at the gym, and this guy (no clue why, not sure if it was crossfit related) was doing pushups on the squat rack safety bars that catch the bar when you squat too low. He had both arms on one side and both feet balances on the other bar.
The next time you see him doing it, you should ask him what the advantage is in doing a push-up that way as opposed to doing them on the ground. Don't expect any kind of decent answer.
That actually beats guys curling inside the squat rack because this prick isn't even using any weight! Go home and do your stupid push-ups.
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Dedicated Crossfit can do AMAZING things to a woman's body. Just look through bradistani's thread "Women of CrossFit, Fitness & Athletics"..
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The next time you see him doing it, you should ask him what the advantage is in doing a push-up that way as opposed to doing them on the ground. Don't expect any kind of decent answer.
That actually beats guys curling inside the squat rack because this prick isn't even using any weight! Go home and do your stupid push-ups.
haha, I feel too embarrassed for him to even ask! ;D
I was hoping his feet would slip and he would hit his shins real hard!
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Answer my question first.
Why do YOU use 25lb plates?
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Trust your instincts.
I suspect most people who "do" Crossfit are like the ones you see massively failing in YouTube montages. They have little or no proper instruction, and the only thing they're working on is an injury.
There's also something to be said about an institution that uses 25 lb plates that are the same diameter as conventional 45 lb plates, just much thinner. Is this to make them feel better about something?
If you want training variety, why not just learn traditional Olympic lifts the right way? Also, many gyms offer various fitness classes, most with plenty of hot babes enrolled. There's your motivation and conditioning. Most of all, you'll receive proper instruction and be less likely to hurt yourself.
Additionally, no one will laugh at you for doing "kipping pull-ups."
All bumper plates are the same diameter. From 5lb - 45lb. They used mostly for o-lifts. 5-10lb plates are training weights to simulate the height of a regular size plate especially when.pulling from the ground. They're ya have in a nutshell....bumper plate. Also, for dropping onto a platform
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25lb olympic bumper plates the same diameter as 45lbs are used for standard height in olympic lifting for small women and beginner lifters. They even have 10lbs plates. It's not used for some conspiracy of deception. They even have aluminum bars for the same reason.
I'm sure every getbigger can rep out with 275lbs in the clean to show a cross fit guy how it's done.
I don't even do cross fit but I sense a lot of insecurity that goes hand in hand with bodybuilding.
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-they dont engage into that dieting bs of so and so many meals for growth
Paleo
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All bumper plates are the same diameter. From 5lb - 45lb. They used mostly for o-lifts. 5-10lb plates are training weights to simulate the height of a regular size plate especially when.pulling from the ground. They're ya have in a nutshell....bumper plate. Also, for dropping onto a platform
Thank you, much better explanation than I could give.
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All bumper plates are the same diameter. From 5lb - 45lb. They used mostly for o-lifts. 5-10lb plates are training weights to simulate the height of a regular size plate especially when.pulling from the ground. They're ya have in a nutshell....bumper plate. Also, for dropping onto a platform
next teach me how to dougie
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(twinkies * gayrobics^3 + (light weight *bad form))- Manliness = crossfit
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Thank you, much better explanation than I could give.
You're welcome.
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when i looked pretty good i did alot of cardio every day got weak as hell no way i couldve done those lifts but i looked like i couldve. i enjoyed the vince gironda method , short rest light weights 8 reps sets then did alot of cardio
except Vince didnt believe in cardio
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All bumper plates are the same diameter. From 5lb - 45lb. They used mostly for o-lifts. 5-10lb plates are training weights to simulate the height of a regular size plate especially when.pulling from the ground. They're ya have in a nutshell....bumper plate. Also, for dropping onto a platform
Thank you. I'm glad someone could answer my question. I just expected it to be someone who practices and defends Crossfit; not the opposite.
Now, can you explain the horrible form we see in Crossfit fail vids? I'm referring to the kind you yourself have posted here, in which we see the most horrible "form" on a clean with an "instructor" standing right there. Is that teaching them anything but the right way to do the lift?
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Dedicated Crossfit plus drugs can do AMAZING things to a woman's body. Just look through bradistani's thread "Women of CrossFit, Fitness & Athletics"..
Fixed.
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Thank you. I'm glad someone could answer my question. I just expected it to be someone who practices and defends Crossfit; not the opposite.
Now, can you explain the horrible form we see in Crossfit fail vids? I'm referring to the kind you yourself have posted here, in which we see the most horrible "form" on a clean with an "instructor" standing right there. Is that teaching them anything but the right way to do the lift?
Well, I would imagine that since you pointed out olympic lifting that you would have realized that all plates should be same diameter.
In addition, there is no explanation for the form in those videos. Just like there is no explanation for the form seen by many 'bodybuilding' videos. I agree with Joe that just because you happen to make it through some weekend course that doesn't make you some expert on teaching the movement. How many personal trainers do you see having people do stupid shit? Answer = very often.
Just a nice little example.
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Trust your instincts.
I suspect most people who "do" Crossfit are like the ones you see massively failing in YouTube montages. They have little or no proper instruction, and the only thing they're working on is an injury.
There's also something to be said about an institution that uses 25 lb plates that are the same diameter as conventional 45 lb plates, just much thinner. Is this to make them feel better about something?
If you want training variety, why not just learn traditional Olympic lifts the right way? Also, many gyms offer various fitness classes, most with plenty of hot babes enrolled. There's your motivation and conditioning. Most of all, you'll receive proper instruction and be less likely to hurt yourself.
Additionally, no one will laugh at you for doing "kipping pull-ups."
Haha my gym has introduced these now. But I think it can be justified because they're easier to hold and pick up from the floor if they're as big as a normal weight. I also suppose it's easier if you're going to perfect your form to do it with plates resembling the normal ones instead of doing it with small ones.
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The crossfitters at my gym seem to have good physiques, equivalent to those who just do weight lifting 3x8. Often the weight lifters look more bulked but underneath the fat layers they probably would look like a crossfitter.
Sometimes, disheartening as it sounds, it feels like if you're a real natural you can do crossfit, weights, pushups whatever rep ranges you want and still have the same physique you were born to have.
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Haha my gym has introduced these now. But I think it can be justified because they're easier to hold and pick up from the floor if they're as big as a normal weight. I also suppose it's easier if you're going to perfect your form to do it with plates resembling the normal ones instead of doing it with small ones.
What exactly would that change? Actually, smaller volume for the same weight would probably better as the weight would be have more density close to the bar. The only obvious thing, which everyone those, is to stack the heavier weights first.
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Well, I would imagine that since you pointed out olympic lifting that you would have realized that all plates should be same diameter.
In addition, there is no explanation for the form in those videos. Just like there is no explanation for the form seen by many 'bodybuilding' videos. I agree with Joe that just because you happen to make it through some weekend course that doesn't make you some expert on teaching the movement. How many personal trainers do you see having people do stupid shit? Answer = very often.
Just a nice little example.
Fair enough. 8)
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Dedicated Crossfit can do AMAZING things to a woman's body. Just look through bradistani's thread "Women of CrossFit, Fitness & Athletics"..
This is true of any woman who engages in regular intensive physical activity though, it's not unique to Crossfit.
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Fair enough. 8)
Re: weights, I could very well be wrong (and a quick google search would handle this) but I think the 5lb and 2.5lb weights are not olympic sized.
There was a video I was going to post of this trainer having a woman do curls on BOSU ball. Client fell off and face planted. I can't find it anymore.
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Re: weights, I could very well be wrong (and a quick google search would handle this) but I think the 5lb and 2.5lb weights are not olympic sized.
There was a video I was going to post of this trainer having a woman do curls on BOSU ball. Client fell off and face planted. I can't find it anymore.
Don't worry. There'll be more. ;)
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One of the biggest problems I have with crossfit, is the pairing up of a high repetition o-lift or power-lift with some other high intensity exercise with little if any recovery. That's where high rates of injury come in. Separate the two and keep the power exercises separate, train them as they should be with good technique, keep the reps low and recovery between 2-3min, THEN go to the auxiliary stuff. Again, separate the two and all thats really left is GPP work.
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crossfit = natural bodybuilding/weight lifting basically. But "bodybuilding" being a pejorative term, people prefer to label it with another more "healthy" , edgy sounding expression. Even if most people who lift weights whatever the name they give to their activity all do it to get more muscular and enhance their appearance. They dont want to be labeled as "meatheads", superficial egomaniacs like bodybuilders, and they pretend that the way they train is more "functional" when in fact they do it to have a better body shape, not for functionality as most people dont even work physical jobs.
Any person who ve been training with weights to develop muscularity , using what they can to achieve results, have been "crossfitters" then, since decades...
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Crossfit:
Take a explosive, technical movement and turn it into a cardio movement by doing 30 atrocious reps, using as much 5kg plates you can find.
Sums it up quite well.
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Crossfit:
Take a explosive, technical movement and turn it into a cardio movement by doing 30 atrocious reps, using as much 5kg plates you can find.
Sums it up quite well.
basically, natural bodybuilding for ectomorphes who cant lift weights mesos or endos can move. 9 times out of ten so called self proclaimed crossfiters are ectos in the first place. Ectos who got some toned muscles cause they ve been lifting weights for some years doing the basic exercises at home or in a gym. It has been known for centuries as... physical conditionning, as simple as that. You do cardio or lift weights , be careful about your nutrition, you re doing physical conditionning for health.
Mesos call their practice of lifting weights bodybuilding, endos call it "powerlifting or weightlifting", ectos call it... crossfiting.
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(twinkies * gayrobics^3 + (light weight *bad form))- Manliness = crossfit
;D ;D ;D
Hate most of those hipster fagrats but I do respect the effort.
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crossfit = natural bodybuilding/weight lifting basically. But "bodybuilding" being a pejorative term, people prefer to label it with another more "healthy" , edgy sounding expression. Even if most people who lift weights whatever the name they give to their activity all do it to get more muscular and enhance their appearance. They dont want to be labeled as "meatheads", superficial egomaniacs like bodybuilders, and they pretend that the way they train is more "functional" when in fact they do it to have a better body shape, not for functionality as most people dont even work physical jobs.
Any person who ve been training with weights to develop muscularity , using what they can to achieve results, have been "crossfitters" then, since decades...
Spot on