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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: CREALMADRID on March 21, 2013, 11:39:23 PM
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So bodybuilding is healthy and you can juice moderate till you are alive,so why many pat and present bodybuilders has kidney problems???
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Years of ultra high protein consumption, diuretics and tons of orals.
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Is Rich piano beyond saving???
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Years of ultra high protein consumption, diuretics and tons of orals.
Exactly! And alcohol and recreational drugs!
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Years of ultra high protein consumption, diuretics and tons of orals.
Should be no problem if you keep your water intake high
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Ronnie is my bet.
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So bodybuilding is healthy and you can juice moderate till you are alive,so why many pat and present bodybuilders has kidney problems???
They don't do anything moderate, do they?
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I heard some bodybuilders go OVER 200g of protein per day. It destroys your mind all together, that's the difference. You either get destroyed or so terrified you lose your mind.
Processes such as neurotransmitter transport and biosynthesis needs only a few grams. Imagine if you overload this system?
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please stop posting stupid threads..
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I'd bet the house on Cutler...He looks like his kidney's are in trouble and instead of stepping out of the limelight, he's obviously ramped up the mental illness to "full steam ahead"...I also believe his wife saw this and got the hell out of dodge. Ronnie also is showing organs that are in full DA mode. :-\
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even if they had some kidney or liver problems, we wouldnt hear that.. and if they really had kidney failure they would buy some kidneys thats no problem.. jay phil and ronnie made a lot of money from bb.. and wolf has a sugar mummy
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Why can't these retired pros be like Bob Paris and tone down the size. Bob is t anywhere near huge but looks fit and healthy.
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Ronnie for sure fully blasted on full throttle from 02 to 03 u can't even recognize him could be close to 300 on stage, prob closer to that in 04, but those 2 years a lone his transformation was ridiculous.
They all abuse for sure but my bets on Ronnie , ruhl and throw in Ronnie rockel
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even if they had some kidney or liver problems, we wouldnt hear that.. and if they really had kidney failure they would buy some kidneys thats no problem.. jay phil and ronnie made a lot of money from bb.. and wolf has a sugar mummy
for how long do you follow bb world lol
made and have are 2 different stories
jay made a lot but due to divorce he has to work hard now lol
ronniw has 10+ kids and is broke like joke,no money living from month to month
and phil is doing good,but when we see him driving lambos,bentleys etc-its all on leasing thats it!
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They certainly aren't doing their mitochondria any favours.
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Ronnie and Cormier sure look like they're spending a good number of hours each day dodging the Reaper.
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Exactly! And alcohol and recreational drugs!
Which some people still do not believe. When I was running serious cycles, I drank like crazy, did blow, whatever. Hung out at the same bar almost every night to eat a bunch of fucking wings before going to the strip club with drug money. And that is a true story, I've seen and heard worse.
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coleman, ruhl, palumbo all on borrowed time.
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coleman, ruhl, palumbo all on borrowed time.
I still don't get this board. You want to diss people that go all out, fine. I don't know how they even manage all the bullshit necessary to do it. That's the truth. The thing is everybody here hates Jay, Ronnie is fucked...Ruhl is a bit crazy, but whatever. Phil Heath is narrow, we hate the NFL; I don't think we had near as many fags on the old boards like Meso. Palumbo I can see making fun of, whatever, but just have some fun with it and let the bullshit go. Everyone makes their own choices.
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I still don't get this board. You want to diss people that go all out, fine. I don't know how they even manage all the bullshit necessary to do it. That's the truth. The thing is everybody here hates Jay, Ronnie is fucked...Ruhl is a bit crazy, but whatever. Phil Heath is narrow, we hate the NFL; I don't think we had near as many fags on the old boards like Meso. Palumbo I can see making fun of, whatever, but just have some fun with it and let the bullshit go. Everyone makes their own choices.
the question was do you think their lifestyle has reduced their life expectancy which i think is yes. i never said it wasnt their choice to make or that i care they made that choice
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Exactly! And alcohol and recreational drugs!
Yes just look t at the Stones,AeroSmith,etc all pushing 70 and living the "Sex drugs R&R" life for the past 50 plus years.
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ALL BB'S AT THE PRO LEVEL ARE WALKING A FINE LINE.
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the question was do you think their lifestyle has reduced their life expectancy which i think is yes. i never said it wasnt their choice to make or that i care they made that choice
I don't think they care. Like I said, just getting all the shit that you need is a task that I care not to take on.
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My one point on the negative side is don't have kids if you choose that lifestyle. How many kids does Cutler have?
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coleman, ruhl, palumbo all on borrowed time.
DA or Palumbo next
Rhul and Rockel on Deck
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I don't think they care. Like I said, just getting all the shit that you need is a task that I care not to take on.
thats a shame i was hoping to spend some more time with your sparkling personality
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It's a couple of things I speculate on. One is the high blood pressure brought on by steroid use. Having high blood pressure at rest on top of the crazy spikes from lifting weights is hell on the kidneys.
Another big problem is oil injections. The kidneys try to filter out that junk and it just wrecks them.
Some rocket scientist will say it's just sterile vegetable oil. Well, that's great to put some on a salad that goes through your digestive system. Putting 8 ounces directly into your muscles and therefore your blood stream is going to gunk up your kidneys.
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every guy who has somewhat more muscle than a regular guy on his skeleton-frame, will absolutly have elevated creatinine reading.every single one.
this doesnt mean much, but its there.
every guy on steroids will have increased red blood cells plasma levels.
every guy on gear will have elevated blood pressure on gear at times during the day.
elevated blood pressure isnt so good for kidneys.
every guy on gear, even on non orals , his liver will work harder, even the diet and training contribute themselves to that.liver working harder affects kidneys too.
this whole sport isnt the healthiest thing in life to do.
if one doesnt want to be "too big" from a health perspective, then watch the creatinine levels, if they raise to much, youre "too big".
and by big and muscle,i mean lean and pure muscle mass, not the remabulking fatso swines.
those will die off elevated blood pressure issue and fatty livers, those dumb fucks.
were talking about hard, steel-like muscle, not bloof.
My creatinine reading is always a little high. I don't use any bodybuilding drugs. I have never heard that bodybuilding will elevate it. Where have you heard this or why do you speculate that this happens? I thought it was from my supplement creatine use being turned into the waste product creatinine but now you have me wondering.
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Steroids can cause hypertension leading to renal hypertension. Which can destroy the kidneys. Portal hypertension is another thing to watch out for.
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My creatinine reading is always a little high. I don't use any bodybuilding drugs. I have never heard that bodybuilding will elevate it. Where have you heard this or why do you speculate that this happens? I thought it was from my supplement creatine use being turned into the waste product creatinine but now you have me wondering.
hahaha at not realizing bodybuilding raises creatinine
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Pretty sure diabetes is the number one cause of kidney failure and all these pros have diabetes or at the very least are pre-diabetic. Add all the other elements into the mix and it's a recipe for disaster.
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Portal hypertension is another thing to watch out for.
I've been present when portal hypertension caused the varicose veins on someones oesophagus to rupture...very messy.
For those who dont know, the portal circulation is between the stomach and liver, it should be nice and free flowing but if you screw your liver with drugs and/or alcohol and make the liver fatty then the circulation slows down considerably and backs up to the stomach causing varicose veins around the stomach and creeping up the oesophagus.
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I've been present when portal hypertension caused the varicose veins on someones oesophagus to rupture...very messy.
For those who dont know, the portal circulation is between the stomach and liver, it should be nice and free flowing but if you screw your liver with drugs and/or alcohol and make the liver fatty then the circulation slows down considerably and backs up to the stomach causing varicose veins around the stomach and creeping up the oesophagus.
Nice description. I guess I'll skip that third burger I was about to order. Thanks.
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protein distended thespians are some of the most unhealthy people we have in our society today
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I've been present when portal hypertension caused the varicose veins on someones oesophagus to rupture...very messy.
For those who dont know, the portal circulation is between the stomach and liver, it should be nice and free flowing but if you screw your liver with drugs and/or alcohol and make the liver fatty then the circulation slows down considerably and backs up to the stomach causing varicose veins around the stomach and creeping up the oesophagus.
I drank like a fish at a Casino last night. I wonder how much abuse my liver can take.
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everyones different, i know guys that did juice for a few months n had problems, alot of those guys where predisposed to certain things though. i know dudes now that been juicing since the 70,s n they have healthy kidneys n organs, they only do a cycle a year though n stay at reasonable dosages. guys who use alot of pain killers that have that acetophemene in it is was kills the kidneys, the opiates itself dont harm the kidneys but the acetophemene is the killer
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every guy who has somewhat more muscle than a regular guy on his skeleton-frame, will absolutly have elevated creatinine reading.every single one.
this doesnt mean much, but its there.
were talking about hard, steel-like muscle, not bloof.
yes , and if you have the blood test up to three days after intense exercise (especially legs and back) your levels will be higher.
elevated protein in the urine is much more dangerous
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everyones different, i know guys that did juice for a few months n had problems, alot of those guys where predisposed to certain things though. i know dudes now that been juicing since the 70,s n they have healthy kidneys n organs, they only do a cycle a year though n stay at reasonable dosages. guys who use alot of pain killers that have that acetophemene in it is was kills the kidneys, the opiates itself dont harm the kidneys but the acetophemene is the killer
tylenol is actually much better for the kidneys. There is a form of kidney disease caused by avil/aleve thats common in 30+ people, especially women, from taking advil daily
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yes, training and lots food will elevate liver parameters up to 100%(for me atleast,i tested).
and oh yeah,if there protein in the urine, your kindeys are done
Yep, but bodybuilders still worry if they don't get a pound of protein a day that they'll waste away lol
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Yes just look t at the Stones,AeroSmith,etc all pushing 70 and living the "Sex drugs R&R" life for the past 50 plus years.
Money for medical care?
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When i was a teenager i bought a flex magazine back in 1995.
I never understood why there were so many pages advertizing urologists and dialisis machines in a "health" magazine; 10 years later i began to understand the reason why.
Steroids, overweight, gross protein intake ruins one's health.
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High protein for a long time is worse than steroids and hormones.
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For years, bodybuilders have been denying the possibility of kidney and heart issues and look at all of the recent deaths and serious health implications that are popping up everywhere. What a sad sport. Bunch of fucking abusers and delusional twits.
I've always suspected that bulking to stupidly heavy weights and doing it too quickly was going to catch up with people, but everyone called me a sketch-hard or a jealous twink (I got fat and huge too, no jealousy here!). I stopped bulking and getting over 10% bf and I don't load up on the protein anymore either. Heart is strong as fuck, I can run forever and I never get winded like I used to. I'm fortunate to be young and have only juiced for a few years, but to everyone else I urge you to give your heads a shake. Not vilifying PEDs at all, but also not thinking that they're "completely harmless" either. Be real with yourselves and don't neglect your health if you choose to use PEDs. They can be used with a lot of very minimal sides and risks, but it isn't completely fool proof and everyone has a genetic predisposition to something or other, and chances are that one of the PEDs out there could be really dangerous for you.
Don't listen to gh15 and his stupid advice... he suggests that exogenous growth hormone fixes everything, but that's wrong and completely irresponsible of him to just try shilling in place of offering real advice. On that subject, that recommendation will just lead to insulin insensitivity which can also exacerbate renal problems. It's all related. Kidneys, water, protein, glucose metabolism, etc... and it's all a lot more important than what we've been parroting. A lot of us here are guilty of it too, myself included. I've given my head a big shake in the last year and got in the shape of my life. Getting off the juice and shrinking down to twink-territory again has been a blessing in disguise for me.
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For years, bodybuilders have been denying the possibility of kidney and heart issues and look at all of the recent deaths and serious health implications that are popping up everywhere. What a sad sport. Bunch of fucking abusers and delusional twits.
I've always suspected that bulking to stupidly heavy weights and doing it too quickly was going to catch up with people, but everyone called me a sketch-hard or a jealous twink (I got fat and huge too, no jealousy here!). I stopped bulking and getting over 10% bf and I don't load up on the protein anymore either. Heart is strong as fuck, I can run forever and I never get winded like I used to. I'm fortunate to be young and have only juiced for a few years, but to everyone else I urge you to give your heads a shake. Not vilifying PEDs at all, but also not thinking that they're "completely harmless" either. Be real with yourselves and don't neglect your health if you choose to use PEDs. They can be used with a lot of very minimal sides and risks, but it isn't completely fool proof and everyone has a genetic predisposition to something or other, and chances are that one of the PEDs out there could be really dangerous for you.
Don't listen to gh15 and his stupid advice... he suggests that exogenous growth hormone fixes everything, but that's wrong and completely irresponsible of him to just try shilling in place of offering real advice. On that subject, that recommendation will just lead to insulin insensitivity which can also exacerbate renal problems. It's all related. Kidneys, water, protein, glucose metabolism, etc... and it's all a lot more important than what we've been parroting. A lot of us here are guilty of it too, myself included. I've given my head a big shake in the last year and got in the shape of my life. Getting off the juice and shrinking down to twink-territory again has been a blessing in disguise for me.
You said something good here.
Thank you
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I've had bloodwork done twice a year for the last 3 years and only once did my levels show a little high.. every other time they have been range, including impeccable cholesterol. I really thought I should be dead by now.
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Years of ultra high protein consumption, diuretics and tons of orals.
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So That means that natural bodybuilders on high protein diets. Will have organ failure at some point ?
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steroids and pain killers kill bodybuilders......
all the roid heads kidding thereselves
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So That means that natural bodybuilders on high protein diets. Will have organ failure at some point ?
they are at risk
several delusional naturals on BB.com were hit with kidney failure since I started perusing them boards
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Heart is strong as fuck, I can run forever and I never get winded like I used to.
You cant damage a healthy heart through exercise, any over exertion will cause you to gas before the heart gives out, an unhealthy heart is what fucks you up.
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they are at risk
several delusional naturals on BB.com were hit with kidney failure since I started perusing them boards
hey I like u cuz u seem cool, but in a retarded way. Why would any of us believe the advice u give wen u ask so many dumb fucking questions? There is not one shred of evidence that a diet with a lot of protein is bad for healthy kidneys. If u have a predisposition for kidney problems then yes be careful. There is evidence to support people with pre existing or undetected kidney problems should lower their protein intake. Just spend some of that money u spend on drugs to resemble a guy that doesnt lift and get checked every so often.
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I've had bloodwork done twice a year for the last 3 years and only once did my levels show a little high.. every other time they have been range, including impeccable cholesterol. I really thought I should be dead by now.
I'm not doubting you...There's like 4 big dudes at my gym who all make the same exact claims. However 2 don't work and haven't worked in a decade and haven't seen the inside of a hospital in years. And the other two work but don't have health insurance. Yet they all claim how great their blood work is and say they never had a problem. My buddy had a blood pressure gadget in his bag and we bet we could guess this one guys blood pressure. The guy drinks like 10 coffees a day is about 275 pounds and takes anything and everything as far as gear. He wouldn't let us do his blood pressure.lol
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hey I like u cuz u seem cool, but in a retarded way. Why would any of us believe the advice u give wen u ask so many dumb fucking questions? There is not one shred of evidence that a diet with a lot of protein is bad for healthy kidneys. If u have a predisposition for kidney problems then yes be careful. There is evidence to support people with pre existing or undetected kidney problems should lower their protein intake. Just spend some of that money u spend on drugs to resemble a guy that doesnt lift and get checked every so often.
there is a lot of evidence that high protein stresses the kidneys
while it may be true that healthy kidneys can handle it
you have to wonder "for how long"
and how many people actually know the condition of their kidneys and family history before they get into high protein diets?
i dont know bro...................
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Well, humans arent designed to do gay 4 pay to pay the bills and drugs they inject in their bodies daily thinking it could never do anything bad in the inside considering the outside is "impressive" -by their fucked up standards-... Shiny muscular big outside, bleached teeth, plucked eyebrows, and rotten internal organs, couldnt think of a better caricature. Fact is, most steroids abusers have no idea what it does to their body past the physical apperance, ost of the time being uneducated, ignorant, talentless and shallow insecure losers obsessively looking for shortcuts in life to dominate others.
Humans are not supposed to deal drugs as a living while lifting weights and manipulating gullible kids, teens, women and homosexuals . There s just nothing to save in the lifestyle, it's complete garbage. Only low life crooked scum would think this is a life worth living.
Still, there are a lot of young men considering it, and who are encouraged by bad role models on this site every day.
Everytime a man decides he s going to live going that route, you know he has a crooked mind, that he's a liar, a thief, a junkie, that something is missing, that something is wrong; he came for good reasons; improving self, but somewhat got lost in the process doing something that will destroy him/her and others. And one way or another it's going to catch up to him/her later in life.
Practice "natural "bodybuilding", "natural weight lifting", well, simply put, physical conditionning without the help of any drug, and you ll get all the pros without the cons.
These extrmemistics abusers and master bullshiters are going nowhere. They ll sure keep appealing to dumb, shallow, fatherless gullible twisted minds for a while, but sooner or later thanks to the internet everyone will be able to see thru their bullshits and marginalize them even more until this ridicule, destructive cult dies once and for all.
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I'm not doubting you...There's like 4 big dudes at my gym who all make the same exact claims. However 2 don't work and haven't worked in a decade and haven't seen the inside of a hospital in years. And the other two work but don't have health insurance. Yet they all claim how great their blood work is and say they never had a problem. My buddy had a blood pressure gadget in his bag and we bet we could guess this one guys blood pressure. The guy drinks like 10 coffees a day is about 275 pounds and takes anything and everything as far as gear. He wouldn't let us do his blood pressure.lol
haha I believe that.. Sounds like most guys I know. I try to take my health pretty seriously and avoid all other drugs and have gotten away from crazy caffeine doses. There are definitely certain times in my life where I was very unhealthy lol but everything is more in moderation now. I also avoid orals all year and try to do a lot more cardio, on top of a decent diet. I'm not saying I'm the epitome of health but I believe I am better off than most competitive bodybuilders. I've started to care less about bodybuilding too lol so pushing my body to the extreme doesn't really matter to me or entice me like it did when I was 21-22. Blood pressure is definitely a silent killer.. Mine was all out of whack a couple years back and then had a guy I know have a massive heart attack lol so I took some steps to get it under control to a respectable normal range. Ill be honest with everyone here if I kept going with the stimulants/orals/extreme force feeding like I did for about a year I'd be fucked eventually
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hold on hold on.
protein is only bad for unhealthy kidneys.
and to get an enlarged heart, it takes quite the massive amounts of drugs, anyone who gets enlarged heart lain and simply asked for it and deserves everything that comes along with it.
I don't know man...I'm thinking long term HGH in small amounts will most likely grow the heart. There are two 55+ year old guys in my gym who aren't bodybuilders but have used HGH for around a decade. Both of these guys features have changed. Larger feet, elbow growth, forehead growth and distention. They both go to the same HGH clinic. Now I don't have proof that their hearts have grown but other features on them certainly have.