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Title: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: musclecenter on March 24, 2013, 05:34:42 AM
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: dr.chimps on March 24, 2013, 05:40:44 AM
I love you like a Father, musclecenter, but this is really thin soup.  :-\    ;D
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: ukjeff on March 24, 2013, 05:46:48 AM
Fucking yawn...what a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Red Hook on March 24, 2013, 05:57:17 AM
Fucking yawn...what a load of bollocks.

Agreed, some one as educated as Layme he is not every articulate  :-\
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Donny on March 24, 2013, 06:26:17 AM
Fucking yawn...what a load of bollocks.
well i agree.. 3 mins wonīt get you in shape like 30-45 mins RUNNING with hills in there. Not talking walking at a slow 3mph...lol. used to say at least 20mins hit cardio then 4 mins now itīs 3... ::)
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 06:34:46 AM
layne norton is really really boring
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: ukjeff on March 24, 2013, 06:41:35 AM
Simple doesn't sell.
"Get off your fat fuckin arse stop shoving shite food in your gob and do some exercise"

Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: dj181 on March 24, 2013, 06:49:08 AM
Simple doesn't sell.
"Get off your fat fuckin arse stop shoving shite food in your gob and do some exercise"



the easy way out sells

"wanna be lean and ripped?"

"here, take this pill i have to sell you then all your problems will be solved"
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: MAXX on March 24, 2013, 07:09:00 AM
It's called High intensity interval training (HIIT). And it's been a known fact for a long time that this is the most superior form of fat burning cardio. Over a decade I think. Layne is just explaining it at a celluar level lol
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 07:11:44 AM
layne is always wearing a cap now that his hair is fucked
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Donny on March 24, 2013, 07:38:02 AM
It's called High intensity interval training (HIIT). And it's been a known fact for a long time that this is the most superior form of fat burning cardio. Over a decade I think. Layne is just explaining it at a celluar level lol
been around or an early form of it much longer. It was really developed in the 1930īs in Sweden and was called "Fartlek" which means..speed play. This is a form of "Interval" training which combines continuous and Interval training. Therefor trains Aerobic and Anaerobic. Interval training has been known for a long time, just that in the last few years itīs reappeared in "new" forms. I remember in the Army way back in 1985 doing Interval training and Fartlek... running in a squad and the last 2 men sprinting forward to the front and so on...soon got you fucked. We combined this with longer endurance runs and also with weight. sprints we did in the gym on the lines marked on the gym floor sprinting further each time. so all this is not new. Recycled like a lot of training.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: ukjeff on March 24, 2013, 07:48:36 AM
its been around since the stone age.
Cavemen sprinting after gazelle were in better shape than the crippled cavemen who just walked about everywhere.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Donny on March 24, 2013, 07:52:28 AM
its been around since the stone age.
Cavemen sprinting after gazelle were in better shape than the crippled cavemen who just walked about everywhere.
or this... ;D running away from a saber toothed tiger...
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: dj181 on March 24, 2013, 08:56:58 AM
been around or an early form of it much longer. It was really developed in the 1930īs in Sweden and was called "Fartlek" which means..speed play. This is a form of "Interval" training which combines continuous and Interval training. Therefor trains Aerobic and Anaerobic. Interval training has been known for a long time, just that in the last few years itīs reappeared in "new" forms. I remember in the Army way back in 1985 doing Interval training and Fartlek... running in a squad and the last 2 men sprinting forward to the front and so on...soon got you fucked. We combined this with longer endurance runs and also with weight. sprints we did in the gym on the lines marked on the gym floor sprinting further each time. so all this is not new. Recycled like a lot of training.

were you a track and x-country man in your younger days?
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: gracie bjj on March 24, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
a lean body is built in the kitchen
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 24, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
In simple terms when you do low intensity cardio your body's fuel is fat. When you do high intensity cardio the fuel is your body's sugar as in glycogen. Of course there are ratios involved. What determines the fat loss is the total caloric cost of the exercise not the fuel system used.

Another thing that people are influenced in the the heart training zone popularized by the father of Aerobics Dr. Cooper. Training in the heart zone he proposed is a formula meant for the masses to increase health when doing cardio. It isn't a formula that athletes should use.

Common sense and science dictate that the harder you train the more calories you are going to use. You will burn more fat running a 6 minute mile than a 10 minute mile.

High intensity intervals are great and so is training at a high intensity concerning cardio. The only problem is that if you are a bodybuilder and not an athlete you have to make sure that lifting weights is your priority. Adding 8 sets of 200 meter intervals can take away greatly from the energy needed for your primary activity of lifting weights. That is why so many bodybuilders just do stuff very successfully like fast walking on grade. It doesn't exhaust them for their primary activity. One thing for sure the harder the cardio I'm convinced burns calories past the activity. A pound of fat is 3500 calories and the math doesn't add up when the scale says you lost 3 pounds in a week.

There is also a duration vs intensity factor. Is doing 6 x 40 yards in addition to lifting what you need to lose fat? Is there to much intensity risking injury and to much intensity for the duration of time needed to burn fat. Is it better to do 6 x 400 meters? I would argue it is.

There is no one size fits all requirement concerning cardio. It depends on your goals such as are you a bodybuilder vs an athlete who lifts weights. Are you taking drugs? Judging by guys who deny taking drugs and looking at their contest pictures vs off season I would say so many are plain liars.

As a former high school and college track guy I believe most will burn out doing intervals exclusively. Intervals were  rare for milers prior to Roger Bannister. Most milers in his day ran such things as 5 to 10 miles a day. Roger Bannister used for the most part 10 sets of 440 yard sprints. When he would burn out he would go hiking or take a distance run. If bodybuilding is your priority cardio is always second in your training. Mixing in something like 4 x 800 meters and the next cardio session go for a hard 2 to 3 miles can work for a natural trainer. A bloated drug user might give them self a heart attack.

You should always consult a doctor prior to doing high intensity cardio. You don't want to drop dead trying to get ripped.



Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: musclecenter on March 24, 2013, 10:41:55 AM
a lean body is built in the kitchen
x2
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: L00n on March 24, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
the part about Ben was ridiculous ...
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: a_ahmed on March 24, 2013, 12:19:49 PM


Great video, respect.

I didn't know he deadslifts 700lbs, pretty amazing. My boy did 725 recently but he's bigger still, anyone doing 700... frickin epic.. i can only dream of that maybe 5 years from now haha... :D

Personally i do 4-5mph on a 4 to 15 incline for an hour... that probably burns a hell lot more than either methods.. thats what i do..

Saves my knees and ankles.. while sprints i can sprint fast and i know its effective... but my knees hate me day in day out :( The treadmills also feel like they are going to fail apart when i sprint above 10mph... feels unsafe lol.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on March 24, 2013, 02:19:30 PM
HhHAHha MATT C is a fucken legend best strict bench press for bodyweight  in canada p4p

layne is a champion too, knows exactly how to get jacked probably has all his clients squating 500 for reps just like layne does



Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 02:22:31 PM
HhHAHha MATT C is a fucken legend best strict bench press for bodyweight  in canada p4p

layne is a champion too, knows exactly how to get jacked probably has all his clients squating 500 for reps just like layne does




laynbe norton's voice and personality is not cut out for stardom
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on March 24, 2013, 02:38:58 PM
laynbe norton's voice and personality is not cut out for stardom

layne is an expert Dr. in training, is it true everyone of his clients end up squatting 500 plus after 6-8months training with LAYNE?
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 02:40:16 PM
layne is an expert Dr. in training, is it true everyone of his clients end up squatting 500 plus after 6-8months training with LAYNE?
layne is the master of lifting weights without looking like you could lift it

he looks like a solid every day guy

but can squat like 600-700 lbs
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on March 24, 2013, 02:41:30 PM
layne is the master of lifting weights without looking like you could lift it

he looks like a solid every day guy

but can squat like 600-700 lbs

it takes one to acheive those feats but takes an expert to teach others how to duplicate
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
it takes one to acheive those feats but takes an expert to teach others how to duplicate
500lbs squat is not impressive on juice


i know one guy who can do it natural olympic style squat

i know pretty damn sure he's natural, he even has been diagnosed with low test from killing himself in the gym

i saw the documents


sick (can send you pic in pm)
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Rami on March 24, 2013, 02:53:34 PM
What's more impressive to me about it is WANTING to squat 700lbs, doing all the training required to achieve it. There has to be some strong motivators for somebody to go through with it.  What can you do with the knowledge you have squatted that number of lbs.

Is it just about adding credentials to your career as a personal trainer? Does Layne see him self as some kind of Oracle or learned elder of our time?

Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on March 24, 2013, 02:59:44 PM
What's more impressive to me about it is WANTING to squat 700lbs, doing all the training required to achieve it. There has to be some strong motivators for somebody to go through with it.  What can you do with the knowledge you have squatted that number of lbs.

Is it just about adding credentials to your career as a personal trainer? Does Layne see him self as some kind of Oracle or learned elder of our time?


layne has said many times if you have similar genetics to him he can get you to squat 500-600 all natural

hes said "if you have sligtly worse genetics than me i can get you to squat 400-500"

lastly "if you have horrible genetics i can get you to squat 400 for 3 reps all the way down"
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 03:01:24 PM
What's more impressive to me about it is WANTING to squat 700lbs, doing all the training required to achieve it. There has to be some strong motivators for somebody to go through with it.  What can you do with the knowledge you have squatted that number of lbs.

Is it just about adding credentials to your career as a personal trainer? Does Layne see him self as some kind of Oracle or learned elder of our time?


it's totally pointless

only an autistic moron can get so hung up on numbers

Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on March 24, 2013, 03:03:51 PM
it's totally pointless

only an autistic moron can get so hung up on numbers



what r u drunk

this is how layne puts his programs together
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 03:06:43 PM
what r u drunk

this is how layne puts his programs together
layne norton

is just another juice monkey

why do you look up to him
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: ukjeff on March 24, 2013, 03:06:49 PM
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it's totally pointless

only an autistic moron can get so hung up on numbers

Correct, who gives shit if you can squat 700lbs?
I have better legs than a lot of guys who squat massive poundages and I dont even squat.

All that effort and risk to your back for fuck all.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Rami on March 24, 2013, 03:14:16 PM
layne has said many times if you have similar genetics to him he can get you to squat 500-600 all natural

hes said "if you have sligtly worse genetics than me i can get you to squat 400-500"

lastly "if you have horrible genetics i can get you to squat 400 for 3 reps all the way down"


that's interesting, I wonder how it would be to just blindly follow someones information, the final 100lbs must have been from fight or flight triggering motivational factors.

I'm sure I could role play myself in to that motivational mind set as well, but I would also think I will probably slip a disc and end up having problems for it.



Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Marty Champions on March 24, 2013, 03:17:28 PM

that's interesting, I wonder how it would be to just blindly follow someones information, the final 100lbs must have been from fight or flight triggering motivational factors.

I'm sure I could role play myself in to that motivational mind set as well, but I would also think I will probably slip a disc and end up having problems for it.




i could never deep squat more than 315 for a few reps i couldnt imagine how jacked my legs would look if i did 400
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 24, 2013, 03:18:50 PM
i could never deep squat more than 315 for a few reps i couldnt imagine how jacked my legs would look if i did 400
what the fuck

weak son of a bitch


or maybe it's biomechanical issues
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: dj181 on March 24, 2013, 03:21:51 PM
Correct, who gives shit if you can squat 700lbs?
I have better legs than a lot of guys who squat massive poundages and I dont even squat.

All that effort and risk to your back for fuck all.

so what's your theory on muscle growth? you don't buy the concept of progressive tension overload, right?
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: ukjeff on March 24, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
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you don't buy the concept of progressive tension overload, right?
Muscles don't know weight, they only know failure.

Thats my philosophy in a nutshell
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: deadz on March 24, 2013, 03:38:27 PM
Lame Nonothing still trying to squeeze every dime he can out of this pathetic industry. Probably got his Phd online.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Rami on March 24, 2013, 03:43:07 PM
How come Layne doesn't have gold medals in Olympic weightlifting by now?

Obviously have through he research found out how to increase the effectiveness of muscle cell contraction.

Can someone talk me through what goes on in a muscle cell as it receives a signal to contract? Where does the cell derive this force from? What process in the cell give rise to physical torque of the muscle cell membrane?  Maybe he as altered this process and not telling this to anyone, by eating green peas and potatoes?
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Mr Nobody on March 24, 2013, 03:55:11 PM
Correct, who gives shit if you can squat 700lbs?
I have better legs than a lot of guys who squat massive poundages and I dont even squat.

All that effort and risk to your back for fuck all.
Exactly. Muscle doesnt doesnt know if it's 1000 pounds or 25 pounds just the tension and contraction Unless you just want to be powerlifter throwing up numbers but hey to each there own. Increasing weight poundage of course will produce more muscle.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: MAXX on March 24, 2013, 08:08:18 PM
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Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: Donny on March 25, 2013, 02:23:01 AM
Any more Fartlek for the old Fart?
shut up Ball Bag..
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 25, 2013, 08:49:07 AM
Stand on the chair you're currently sitting in; only then will you have an idea of what it's like to be the Falcon 24/7, and thus an idea of the difficulty of full squats at such a height.
how tall is that guy

it's amazing how somebody that tall could still build such thick ripped arms naturally

genetics of the gods


?

Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: musclecenter on March 25, 2013, 09:48:58 AM
I NEVER doing any cardio since 10 years ago due to injuried.
but always keep good diet & high volume (sets, reps) exercise to obtain muscle difinitions.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new)
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: AbrahamG on March 25, 2013, 09:53:36 AM


I'd rather hear him talk about Alvisi banging his old lady?  He's never addressed that as far as I know. 
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 25, 2013, 09:58:45 AM
I NEVER doing any cardio since 10 years ago due to injuried.
but always keep good diet & high volume (sets, reps) exercise to obtain muscle difinitions.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new)
i don t see the point of cardio for fatloss

it's probably good for health tho
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: musclecenter on March 25, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
i don t see the point of cardio for fatloss

it's probably good for health tho
keep good diet & higher reps training such as squats, you can have an ideal blood pressure too.
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: anabolichalo on March 25, 2013, 11:46:06 AM
keep good diet & higher reps training such as squats, you can have an ideal blood pressure too.
yes but what about the thickening of the heart etc from weightlifting
Title: Re: Layne Norton discusses fast vs. slow cardio
Post by: a_ahmed on March 25, 2013, 01:34:08 PM
yes but what about the thickening of the heart etc from weightlifting

Unavoidable, my dad was an athlete while younger and in the army. His heart is enlarged. Never juiced. Anyone who does anything athletic will inadvertently enlarge their heart unless they're a twink marathon runner.