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DEC 15--WASHINGTON, DC –
DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy today announced the arrest of Albert Saltiel-Cohen, owner of three of the world’s largest anabolic steroid manufacturers, as part of the largest steroid enforcement operation in U.S. history. Operation Gear Grinder is a 21-month Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation that targeted eight major steroid manufacturing companies, their owners, and their trafficking associates. By reviewing the sources of all seized and analyzed steroids submitted to the DEA’s forensic laboratories, DEA intelligence analysts and diversion investigators found that 82 percent of the steroids seized and analyzed are of Mexican origin. A large majority of those 82 percent seized and analyzed steroids originate from the eight companies identified in Operation Gear Grinder. These businesses conducted their sales via the Internet, and DEA estimates their combined total U.S. steroid sales are $56 million per year.
“Steroid traffickers market their product by luring young people with promises of enhanced performance and appearance,” DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said, “but what they don’t say is the illicit use of these harmful drugs can destroy the very bodies that they are supposed to improve. Drug traffickers prey on the belief that steroids enhance ability, but steroids only rob that ability, as we have seen so often from the affected lives of too many youth and professional athletes.”
Operation Gear Grinder is part of the Virtual Enforcement Initiative, a coordinated DEA effort to target illegal Internet drug trafficking, which was launched in April with Operation Cyber Chase and continued in September with Operation CYBERx. DEA’s cyber initiative acknowledges drug traffickers are embracing the use of 21 st century technology to further spread their virus into U.S. communities.
The steroid manufacturers involved in this investigation tried to mask the true consumers of these products by marketing them as being developed and sold for use in animals. The veterinary manufacturers (“laboratorios”) took notice of the demand for anabolic steroids and created a marketing strategy tailored to the needs of the U.S. consumer – to include high-quality products and internet websites. Communications via the Internet and parcel distributions were the core of these companies’ operations. The websites showcase the products and offer an email address to exchange prices and tracking numbers, and give ordering and payment instructions.
These eight companies used U.S.-based email addresses and listed each manufacturer utilizing a business website to place their products in the hands of American consumers. Some manufacturers provided direct referrals to distributors through the Contact Us section of the websites. The steroids were smuggled into the United States, and shipped to customers. In addition, steroids from the eight companies were also shipped to U.S. traffickers, who re-sold the products to their customers. Financial transactions were primarily done via Western Union wire transfers, as well as bank transfers and credit card payments.
These groups also supplied numerous pharmacies along the U.S./Mexico border, where U.S. customers could purchase steroids and smuggle them back across the border into the United States.
In addition to the Saltiel-Cohen arrest and indictments, DEA today arrested 4 steroid trafficking suspects in San Diego and Laredo, TX. As part of Operation Gear Grinder, DEA also identified over 2,000 U.S. customers that have received steroids from the businesses indicted today. These customers consist of individual users, street-level dealers, and organized trafficking groups in dozens of cities across the country.
The Southern District of California has issued indictments charging the companies and individual defendants with the following:Title 21, U.S.C., Secs. 952, 960 and 963 - Conspiracy to Import Anabolic Steroids; Title 21, U.S.C., Secs. 846 and 841(a)(1) - Conspiracy to Distribute Anabolic Steroids; Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 2; Title 18, U.S.C., Secs. 1956(h) and 1956(a)(1)(A)(I) - Conspiracy to Launder Money; Title 21, U.S.C.,Sec. 853(a), Title 18, U.S.C.,Sec. 982 and Title 21, U.S.C.,Sec. 853(p) - Criminal Forfeiture.
Manufacturing Targets
1. Companies: Quality Vet, Denkall, and Animal Power
Owners: Alberto Saltiel Cohen, Joaquin Garcia Rivas, and Javier Garcia de la Pena.
These manufacturers are significant U.S. suppliers of Nandrolone
2. Company: Laboratorios Tornel
Owner: Luis Bravo-Tornel
Manager: Mauricio Bravo-Berentsen
This manufacturer is a top U.S. supplier of Testosterone Decanoate
3. Company: Laboratorios Brovel
Owner: Arturo Bravo-Valdes
This manufacturer is a top U.S. supplier of Nandrolone Decanoate
4. Company: Pet’s Pharma
Owner: Ramon Vargas
Co-Owner-Eduardo Hernandez
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Testosterone Enanthate
5. Company: Syd Group
Owner: Armando Guzman-Armenta
Associate: Amalia Lara
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Stanozolol
6. Company: Loeffler
Officer: Jose Angel Garcia-Hinojosa
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Methandrostenolone
Operation Gear Grinder was coordinated by the DEA Special Operations Division. DEA offices in San Diego, Mexico City, Tijuana, New York, Houston, San Antonio, and Laredo, Texas participated in the investigation.
This investigation was a collaborative effort involving DEA, numerous U.S state and local law enforcement agencies, and the Mexican Federal Agency of Investigation (AFI).
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just some mexicans trying to make a buck, leave em alone for gods sake
their buyers know what they're doing
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Tell the DEA to go after the Tabacco industry they are the ones killing people.Hell no theycant do that to much money in smoking and all the health issues that come from smoking.To many millions they love people getting sick and cancer means more drugs to sell them and research. and it goes on ....................
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Tell the DEA to go after the Tabacco industry they are the ones killing people.Hell no theycant do that to much money in smoking and all the health issues that come from smoking.To many millions they love people getting sick and cancer means more drugs to sell them and research. and it goes on ....................
You're not worried about the younger crowd doing stereoids man? Or it's just about IFBB business?
peace
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Since when does the DEA have jurisdiction over Mexico?
Tell the DEA to have fun prosecuting these guys..........b/c even if Mexico cooperates I can assure you they will not turn over any of their citizens to US authorities if they face long prison terms in the US....just wont be happening folks.......and 56 Million in sales for the entire USA is a flat out joke-that is peanuts for an entire nation.....
"This is the poison that is on the Internet that is available to anyone who turns their computers on," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy Coughlin, who is to be prosecuting the cases.
The investigation identified more than 2,000 U.S. customers of the steroids, including body builders, athletes and other users. "
I hope no getig member is on the list.................... ......
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money laundering and interstate commerce
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Damn the street value on this stuff just jumped 500%.
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You're not worried about the younger crowd doing stereoids man? Or it's just about IFBB business?
peace
I am more worried about the young drinking.There are more teenage deaths from that every year.Show me one proven case where steriods have killed someone .JUST STERIODS.Now lets look at teen drinking and the deaths a few thousand each year.So you tell me where the problem is.
lee
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I hope I'm not on the list of 2000 people who have received steriods... :P
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Big time agree with Lee here....man this sucks hope it does not put the hurt on the gear supply. Those guys making the juice are heros.
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I hope I'm not on the list of 2000 people who have received steriods... :P
I think it was directed to people who bought directly from the customer. Now if the DEA starts raiding all these local pharmacies for customer info. Then thats a another story.
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You're not worried about the younger crowd doing stereoids man? Or it's just about IFBB business?
peace
Ya kids are using steriods at younger ages these days...Just last week i caught my 12 year old brother injecting some Equipoise.. ;D
I was very upset becouse he wasn't stacking it with test, and wasn't even using nolvadex..
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Ever since congress banned prohormones, Steroid Availability has increased drastically...And prices have dropped and quality has increased. Thank you Uncle Sam. :)
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The investigation identified more than 2,000 U.S. customers of the steroids, including body builders, athletes and other users. "
I guarantee some of these customers are indeed GetBig.com members.
Some kids will be getting cripped on by Big Bro.
Ya kids are using steriods at younger ages these days...Just last week i caught my 12 year old brother injecting some Equipoise.. ;D
I was very upset becouse he wasn't stacking it with test, and wasn't even using nolvadex..
Word, GHB.
I would have slapped that kid silly! >:(
EQ without a Test base is a waste of AAS!!!!
To top it off he wasn't even using Arimidex or Nolvadex.
Kids these days...... ::)
DIV
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I guarantee some of these customers are indeed GetBig.com members.
Some kids will be getting cripped on by Big Bro.
Word, GHB.
I would have slapped that kid silly! >:(
EQ without a Test base is a waste of AAS!!!!
To top it off he wasn't even using Arimidex or Nolvadex.
Kids these days...... ::)
DIV
Ya and he was going to use clomid for PCT. When studies clearly show nolvadex as the perferred drug to increase depressed t-scores. :o
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Quote .... "........... as we have seen so often from the affected lives of too many youth and professional athletes.”
Can anyone name those youths and pro athletes who have been so affected?
Could it be possible that the law is doing more harm to athletes than the harm they claim as a result of roid useage?
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"DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said, “but what they don’t say is the illicit use of these harmful drugs can destroy the very bodies that they are supposed to improve."
And it's idiotic baseless shit like this that makes heart-attack inducing drugs like Vioxx be allowed back on the market after a study PROVES it can harm an otherwise healthy human being.
Steroids *NEVER* killed anyone when taken correctly.
"Can destroy" is like saying "But what car dealers don't tell you is that these harmful vehicles can destroy them.".
That's also a true statement.
I can't take all this anti steroid bullshit.
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You're not worried about the younger crowd doing stereoids man? Or it's just about IFBB business?
peace
That's like asking if he's not worried about babies eating roids. He never stated that. The point is simple and clear - Roids NEVER killed or even HURT anyone taking them correctly. Though it's been proven that Cigraettes cause lung cancer, taking too many aspirin will blow a hole through your stomach, and vioxx will give you heart problems.
The only thing that steroids are proven to do is give you huge muslces, a pimple on your face, and high blood pressure.
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Ya and he was going to use clomid for PCT. When studies clearly show nolvadex as the perferred drug to increase depressed t-scores. :o
Word.
I sure hope you slapped that kid down on the spot! >:(
He needs to research his shit!
DIV
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Since when does the DEA have jurisdiction over Mexico?
Agree
I seriously doubt anything is going to change there except for whats happening at the border crossing.
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Can't they just extradite them to the US?
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Tell the DEA to go after the Tabacco industry they are the ones killing people.Hell no theycant do that to much money in smoking and all the health issues that come from smoking.To many millions they love people getting sick and cancer means more drugs to sell them and research. and it goes on ....................
I agree 100%. Smoking is one of the most rediculous things a person can do. Steroids(in moderation) are nowhere near as harmful, plus you get huge. Smoking has no upside.
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Whats sad is the DEA is using our money to pay for this long investigation - that I am sure cost a fortune. As a tax payer I am paying for these bullshit investigations.
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Whats sad is the DEA is using our money to pay for this long investigation - that I am sure cost a fortune. As a tax payer I am paying for these bullshit investigations.
If you were a productive citizen..... and made any money instead of living on welfare...then you would be paying for these invesitgations........ :)
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im now ashamed to be american.... this is truly sad. go after another country for making anabolic steroids? obviously in these countries where steroids are legal its not a problem(wheres the people dieing from it?).... usa feels the need to jump into these countries and say steroids are an epidemic in america? Ha, this country has gone to shit.
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It all come down the the DEA and FTC and drug companies wanting to make money.You go out there and claim a natural herb or suplement with help cancer or obesity the fda ,dea,ftc will come in take all the natural herbs and money and shut you down and you could go to jail WHY? cause your claiming you can help or cure something that only THIER drugs can do, and we dont want you cutting into thier BILLION dollar business.
MONEY AND GREED
dont ya love it.
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Tell the DEA to go after the Tabacco industry they are the ones killing people.Hell no theycant do that to much money in smoking and all the health issues that come from smoking.To many millions they love people getting sick and cancer means more drugs to sell them and research. and it goes on ....................
Hopefully the tobacco industry cannot be left untouched after this.
An argument can at least be made to move in on them.
YIP
Zack
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You'd find if Pfizer were making D-bol we'd have a different fucking story.
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I am more worried about the young drinking.There are more teenage deaths from that every year.Show me one proven case where steriods have killed someone .JUST STERIODS.Now lets look at teen drinking and the deaths a few thousand each year.So you tell me where the problem is.
lee
Yeah really!!!
Big problems with teens, drinking and drugs and smoking!!! Not steroids at least those are the 1% of kids who stay away from that shit, and dont kill themselves or some innocent bystander!!!
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Ya kids are using steriods at younger ages these days...Just last week i caught my 12 year old brother injecting some Equipoise.. ;D
I was very upset becouse he wasn't stacking it with test, and wasn't even using nolvadex..
Maybe he was using proviron & you missed it.
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It all come down the the DEA and FTC and drug companies wanting to make money.You go out there and claim a natural herb or suplement with help cancer or obesity the fda ,dea,ftc will come in take all the natural herbs and money and shut you down and you could go to jail WHY? cause your claiming you can help or cure something that only THIER drugs can do, and we dont want you cutting into thier BILLION dollar business.
MONEY AND GREED
dont ya love it.
Yeah case in point GHB, drug companies threw a few dollars around for "research" and got it FDA approved in less than 4 years less I think, and took no time ($$$$) to get the government to take it off the shelves.
People predicted something like this a long time ago with the baby boomers, take a look at DHEA that did not work out well for them they see the real thing is the only thing, fat burners also billion dollar supplement industry crushed overnight with the ban of ephedrine
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im now ashamed to be american.... this is truly sad. go after another country for making anabolic steroids? obviously in these countries where steroids are legal its not a problem(wheres the people dieing from it?).... usa feels the need to jump into these countries and say steroids are an epidemic in america? Ha, this country has gone to shit.
Hey, we told those Iraqies that they need to have democracy as it is better for them then an evil tyrant. If countries like Mexico don't recognize that steroids are lethal to their citizens, President Bush will have our armed forces invade that 3rd world hellhole and put in a government that will destroy all steroids. Steroids make better & stronger terrorists!!!
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MONEY AND GREED
dont ya love it.
I guess that explains why you've appeared in numerous supplement ads over the years (for various different companies) when these products have played a very marginal role (if any) in enhancing your physique.
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It all come down the the DEA and FTC and drug companies wanting to make money.You go out there and claim a natural herb or suplement with help cancer or obesity the fda ,dea,ftc will come in take all the natural herbs and money and shut you down and you could go to jail WHY? cause your claiming you can help or cure something that only THIER drugs can do, and we dont want you cutting into thier BILLION dollar business.
MONEY AND GREED
dont ya love it.
hell yeah! amen mr. priest! at least someone's got it figured out.
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Since when does the DEA have jurisdiction over Mexico?
Tell the DEA to have fun prosecuting these guys..........b/c even if Mexico cooperates I can assure you they will not turn over any of their citizens to US authorities if they face long prison terms in the US....just wont be happening folks.......and 56 Million in sales for the entire USA is a flat out joke-that is peanuts for an entire nation.....
"This is the poison that is on the Internet that is available to anyone who turns their computers on," said Assistant U.S. Attorney Timothy Coughlin, who is to be prosecuting the cases.
The investigation identified more than 2,000 U.S. customers of the steroids, including body builders, athletes and other users. "
I hope no getig member is on the list.................... ......
It aint Mexicans that burn down pot and poppy fields.
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If you were a productive citizen..... and made any money instead of living on welfare...then you would be paying for these invesitgations........ :)
your the one who sells their ass on the corner-lol. I'll come down there and pimp your ass- watch your mouth lil girl. BTW_ why you block my PM's cant take the heat?
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your the one who sells their ass on the corner-lol. I'll come down there and pimp your ass- watch your mouth lil girl. BTW_ why you block my PM's cant take the heat?
It is you're.......better hit second grade again!
Hhahahahaaaaaa.......... .........Lil pussie WhiteWidow talking shit behind his keyboard again!
What are you..... like 20 y/o and a buck 50? ......lol............any time you "come down here" let me know ass clown...I will help get you off of the welfare roles!
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I wonder if they will bother to arrest the buyers? It's an easy thing to trace if the internet and credit cards are involved. Imagine the shock of mom and dad when the door is broken down at 5AM by 12 DEA agents carring sub machine guns. I hope they just mace the family dog and don't shoot it.
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I wonder if they will bother to arrest the buyers? It's an easy thing to trace if the internet and credit cards are involved. Imagine the shock of mom and dad when the door is broken down at 5AM by 12 DEA agents carring sub machine guns. I hope they just mace the family dog and don't shoot it.
They can't do shit to the buyers...they dont have any evidence...if they busted the buyers when the buyers took possession of the drugs they would have a case....but with no drugs=NO CASE.
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They can't do shit to the buyers...they dont have any evidence...if they busted the buyers when the buyers took possession of the drugs they would have a case....but with no drugs=NO CASE.
Ya like there going to spend 10,000 dollars, to come after ever guy who has bought steriods over the net..When a judge is going to throw the case out when you get to court.
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Tell the DEA to go after the Tabacco industry they are the ones killing people.Hell no theycant do that to much money in smoking and all the health issues that come from smoking.To many millions they love people getting sick and cancer means more drugs to sell them and research. and it goes on ....................
The DEA is a law enforcement agency. They don't write the laws.
The tobacco industry has been sued for billions of dollars by state governments. At any rate, it would be completely impractical to outlaw tobacco products. They are far more popular than steroids.
I actually think it's a good thing that steroids aren't routinely prescribed anymore. Otherwise, every high school athlete would be slamming deca and dbol nonstop.
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I guess that explains why you've appeared in numerous supplement ads over the years (for various different companies) when these products have played a very marginal role (if any) in enhancing your physique.
But they have played a role no matter how marginal.Read the fine print in the adds.
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The DEA is a law enforcement agency. They don't write the laws.
The tobacco industry has been sued for billions of dollars by state governments. At any rate, it would be completely impractical to outlaw tobacco products. They are far more popular than steroids.
I actually think it's a good thing that steroids aren't routinely prescribed anymore. Otherwise, every high school athlete would be slamming deca and dbol nonstop.
Nah instead they slam beer ,and any other drink and kill themselves.Just go look at the figures on teen deaths from drinking.What these drugs are more social and acepted so it is ok for all the deaths they cause.How many deaths came from ephedra that were actually linked to it.Now lets look at all the data we have on deaths linked to drinking and smoking.100,000 each year.So why arent they taken of the maket.
NATURAL CURES ;They don't want you to know about.
BY Kevin Trudeau
Anyone who uses supplemnts should read this book.Has lots of cases and and stuff the FDA will go to all types of lenghts to ban anything that might help.
Just go buy the book and read it.Very interesting i promise you.
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It all come down the the DEA and FTC and drug companies wanting to make money.You go out there and claim a natural herb or suplement with help cancer or obesity the fda ,dea,ftc will come in take all the natural herbs and money and shut you down and you could go to jail WHY? cause your claiming you can help or cure something that only THIER drugs can do, and we dont want you cutting into thier BILLION dollar business.
MONEY AND GREED
dont ya love it.
Lee, you've made your share of cashgrabs during your tenure as an IFBB pro.
Don't be hypocritical, brother.
You too have your hand in the cookie jar.
If you were a productive citizen..... and made any money instead of living on welfare...then you would be paying for these invesitgations........ :)
^THAT'S A SICK DISS! ;D
It aint Mexicans that burn down pot and poppy fields.
^Exactly. We don't. Who do you think provides most of the drugs in America?
Latin America.
But they have played a role no matter how marginal.Read the fine print in the adds.
Lee......can you hook me up with one of those shiny blue ProLab shirts you were wearing at the O?
Hook it up, man.
DIV
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tobacco taxes filter into the general revenue fund
primary source for govt operations
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This is such bullshit... honestly, the DEA has nothing better to do then go after legit labs making vet products OUTSIDE OF THE US.. seriously, WTF!?!? george bush is a f**ing moron and is going to run the US into the ground, I hope you guys get a competent president soon, not some f**cked up redneck that wants to police the world and annihilate anabolics as we know it.
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SO what do you think this will do to availability and price? Has there been a "bust" like this before in the past? If prices go up, how long will the high prices last?
Mike
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Lee, you've made your share of cashgrabs during your tenure as an IFBB pro.
Don't be hypocritical, brother.
You too have your hand in the cookie jar.
^THAT'S A SICK DISS! ;D
^Exactly. We don't. Who do you think provides most of the drugs in America?
Latin America.
Lee......can you hook me up with one of those shiny blue ProLab shirts you were wearing at the O?
Hook it up, man.
DIV
Yes i have made money because i beleived in the product.Use the product as intended and train,rest sleep and eat it will work.Plus the products i endorse have never killed anyone.And if i dont believe in a product i will leave that comany even when they are paying me.Have done it before.
No one is saying not to make money - but love of money is the problem where you value it over everything else.
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Yes i have made money because i beleived in the product.Use the product as intended and train,rest sleep and eat it will work.Plus the products i endorse have never killed anyone.And if i dont believe in a product i will leave that comany even when they are paying me.Have done it before.
No one is saying not to make money - but love of money is the problem where you value it over everything else.
Again I think this all boils down to professional athletics -- which kind of leaves out professional BB. Everyone pretty much has an understanding that BB's use drugs to advance their physiques -- no real secret here. But, BB's generally have to most advanced knowledge of nutrition / supplementation as well. Almost every athlete I have worked with / talked to uses supplements to some degree. And, the supplements do work -- protein, creatine, ECA (when you could get it). In the sport of BB you have more of an even playing field -- you never are going to have competitors making cheating accusations due to AAS use (or anything else for that matter).
It is really with mainstream professional athletics were the problems arise -- baseball, football etc. The people are faced with multi-year contracts worth million and millions of dollars, not to mention other very lucrative endorsement deals. It is within these arenas where drug use is not understood by the general poplulation. And, on top of that if an athlete does choose to use AAS or other drugs while others are not and it breaks the rules it really is cheating.
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SO what do you think this will do to availability and price? Has there been a "bust" like this before in the past? If prices go up, how long will the high prices last?
Lowered supply + current demand = higher prices.
How long? I have no idea.
Probably means more people will learn how to homebrew and make their own shit.
The fact that all the major Mexican Pharmaceutical companies got stepped on only means the consumer will pay the difference in cost.
Feel this.
Yes i have made money because i beleived in the product.Use the product as intended and train,rest sleep and eat it will work.Plus the products i endorse have never killed anyone.And if i dont believe in a product i will leave that comany even when they are paying me.Have done it before.
No one is saying not to make money - but love of money is the problem where you value it over everything else.
I'm not doubting you Lee, I just wanted to get in your shit......
I want that ProLab shirt.......you lucky muthafu.cka.....
DIV
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ProLab shirt=Me also want!
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But they have played a role no matter how marginal.Read the fine print in the adds.
Does the fine print warn the teenage consumer that the bodybuilder who endorses the particular supplement is juiced to the gills and using harmful diuretics to achieve the look in the photos that accompany the ads?
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Does the fine print warn the teenage consumer that the bodybuilder who endorses the particular supplement is juiced to the gills and using harmful diuretics to achieve the look in the photos that accompany the ads?
Are you a consumer advocate?
DIV
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yeah & right afterwards they went to Adelita's for a drink
;)
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Actually, considering that most roids nowdays are coming from underground labs in the U.S. and not the Mexican Connection, I doubt there will be a price flux at all.
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Somebody clear up a rumor for me...........was there a bust in Mexico with 4 major companies? QV, Brovel.....
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46476.0
^There's already a DETAILED thread about this, you fu.ckstick.
Open your eyes, fu.ckface.... >:(
DIV
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Actually, considering that most roids nowdays are coming from underground labs in the U.S. and not the Mexican Connection, I doubt there will be a price flux at all.
Good point.
I know alot of kids are going to miss that QV Deca300 though......
DIV
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yeah & right afterwards they went to Adelita's for a drink
;)
hahahaha.....for those of you who dont know what Adelita's is...it is a whore house in Tijuana Mexico.......
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hahahaha.....for those of you who dont know what Adelita's is...it is a whore house in Tijuana Mexico.......
Looks like Rules has a hobby
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Hopefully the DEA can clear up a mystery that has been ongoing forever it seems. Why is it you can get QV TestE in a 10ml bottle and have no problems with pain. But you get QV TestE in a 50ml bottle and the 3rd or 4th shot on out nearly cripples you. Never the first or second shot. Never in a 10ml bottle.
Some say the amount of BA needed for 50mls is the culprit however, that was proven to not be the case after several bottles were analyzed for contents.
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Hopefully the DEA can clear up a mystery that has been ongoing forever it seems. Why is it you can get QV TestE in a 10ml bottle and have no problems with pain. But you get QV TestE in a 50ml bottle and the 3rd or 4th shot on out nearly cripples you. Never the first or second shot. Never in a 10ml bottle.
Some say the amount of BA needed for 50mls is the culprit however, that was proven to not be the case after several bottles were analyzed for contents.
Whatever.....
The DEA is busy cleaning house and confiscating all that juice for their own cycles. You know some of those DEA agents are just salivating at the thought of all that free juice for the taking.
DIV
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Actually, considering that most roids nowdays are coming from underground labs in the U.S. and not the Mexican Connection, I doubt there will be a price flux at all.
I take it you dont live in California. We see alot of different stuff roaming around but 98% of all the juice flowing is mexican.
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Does the fine print warn the teenage consumer that the bodybuilder who endorses the particular supplement is juiced to the gills and using harmful diuretics to achieve the look in the photos that accompany the ads?
I dont know does the fine print on footballs and baseball bats and running shoes say the same.If you want to be like your hero juice.WAKE UP MORON
DICKHEAD
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I take it you dont live in California. We see alot of different stuff roaming around but 98% of all the juice flowing is mexican.
QV runs California gyms...... ;D
DIV
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I dont know does the fine print on footballs and baseball bats and running shoes say the same.If you want to be like your hero juice.WAKE UP MORON
DICKHEAD
Lee don't beat your head against the wall -- some people just don't get it and never will.
I always wonder what people think when they watch the Tour de France.
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I always wonder what people think when they watch the Tour de France.
Nothing could be more manly than a man in tights on a bike.
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Nothing could be more manly than a man in tights on a bike.
Manly?
What does the level of manhood have to do with Tour de France?
YIP
Zack
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Manly?
What does the level of manhood have to do with Tour de France?
YIP
Zack
I was trying to get at the level of EPO, GH, amphetamines and the upteen million other things these guys "may" use to crank the peddles around.
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I dont know does the fine print on footballs and baseball bats and running shoes say the same.If you want to be like your hero juice.WAKE UP MORON
DICKHEAD
Good analogy . . . comparing the sale of footballs, baseball bats and running shoes to the hawking of dubious sports supplements by using photos of extremely jacked bodybuilders in contest shape. ::) Meltdowns occur when the truth touches a nerve.
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I take it you dont live in California. We see alot of different stuff roaming around but 98% of all the juice flowing is mexican.
Very true-the vats majroity of all illegal steroids are coming from Mexico Laboratories....back in the 1980's when things were nt like they are now EVEYTHING came from American companies......
Then the Gov started cracking down in 1986 and the American Companies got scared and tightened up their inventory.
Badda Bing-1986....Laboratories Milano opened in Tijuana and the biggest steroid operation in US history started........all made at Milano, and all counterfeit-this was the birth of the counterfeit steroid. And it has thrived ever since......
Dan Duchaine and 2 others (who I wont name b/c they are still alive) started this steroid operation and it made big bucks-if you consider 100K plus per year tax free in 1986 big bucks......
But all good things mus come to an end.....and the quality of those steroids was awful...everything was underdoesed by between 33-66%.................thats why you always want the real deal if possible...
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LEE PRIEST IS 100% CORRECT,
Alcohol related car crashes kill 17,000 Americans every year..
Smoking kills 450,00 Americans every year..
All of us can easily name 5 people in their immediate sphere that died of tobacco
Cigarettes killed my father (lung cancer), both my grandparents (heart faulure), my best friends father (stroke), my other best friends father (stroke & lung cancer), my uncle Tom (emphysema), my nextdoor neighbor-Bob Oleksy (heart attack) my neighbor 2 doors down-Alica Scalzi (emphysema)..
The flu kills 36,000 Americans / year.. Maybe George Bush should worry about getting flu vaccine instead of turning athletes & BB's into convicted felons..
The truth is that there are too many people in positions of power that smoke & drink. VP Dick-head Cheney has had no less than 4 heart attacks.. People of power will not let alcohol & cigarettes be illegal because they are hooked and enjoy them too much.. As long as Bush & congress can go after small groups of people with little or no real power, they cannot be stopped..
and in closing-LYLE ALZADO died of AIDS. He was HIV positive.
His own attending doctor-Dr. Huziengua was on record stating that Alzado DID NOT die from Anabolics. I personally know people that played in the NFL that attest to this. It was covered because for Alzado to "Come out" as bisexual 15 years ago would have been too much for him to handle..
For those of you too young to remember-we can blame Alzado for this. Because he is the ONLY nam anyone can produce when asked the question that Lee Priest posed... Instead of Arnold speaking the truth about the relative safety on anabolics, he remains a GUTLESS MUTE !!
he is more worried about his political career..
Lets quit glorifying Schwarzenegger because he has NO BALLS !!
FUCK ARNOLD !!!
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It is you're.......better hit second grade again!
Hhahahahaaaaaa.......... .........Lil pussie WhiteWidow talking shit behind his keyboard again!
What are you..... like 20 y/o and a buck 50? ......lol............any time you "come down here" let me know ass clown...I will help get you off of the welfare roles!
I am coming down there next week-PM me your address - I need to collect on that cash you owe me - Then we will go hit the gym and see who's stronger-lol. maybe nasser will be down at the gym again and you can show him up on the squat rack again-lol.
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.....and the quality of those steroids was awful...everything was underdoesed by between 33-66%.................thats why you always want the real deal if possible...
I seriously doubt QV products are underdosed or bad quality.....
They are as close to human grade pharmaecuticals as vet gear can be.....
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Tell the DEA to go after the Tabacco industry they are the ones killing people.Hell no theycant do that to much money in smoking and all the health issues that come from smoking.To many millions they love people getting sick and cancer means more drugs to sell them and research. and it goes on ....................
...absolutely sad but true!
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I seriously doubt QV products are underdosed or bad quality.....
They are as close to human grade pharmaecuticals as vet gear can be.....
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I cannot verify if QV, or any of the other current labs, are under dosing today....I can tell you
that in the 1980's that was the rule-not the exception. It also applied to the Vet labs too.
I am coming down there next week-PM me your address - I need to collect on that cash you owe me - Then we will go hit the gym and see who's stronger-lol. maybe nasser will be down at the gym again and you can show him up on the squat rack again-lol.
Whitewidow you little pussie-when are you going to be in town? ;D
I have not seen Nasser for over 8 years....but I will be happy to school you....I don't have
the leg strength I had in 95, but I can still hit some serious weight....when are you in
town and for how long?
WW-aren't yopu like a teenager, and about 175#?
That is pretty small person for me to train with-but I will make an exception for you! ;D
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I cannot verify if QV, or any of the other current labs, are under dosing today....I can tell you
that in the 1980's that was the rule-not the exception. It also applied to the Vet labs too.
What about the DDR stuff?
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What about the DDR stuff?
William, don't start a war. ::)
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William, don't start a war. ::)
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No war I was really curious. I have always heard that Bolasterone was one of the best -- and I was curious as to 619's opinion.
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No war I was really curious. I have always heard that Bolasterone was one of the best -- and I was curious as to 619's opinion.
I remember Blasterone....... from the early/mid 80's...that stuff has not been around for a long time though.......
That was the real deal though-that was before the Mexican labs started counterfeiting...althoug h the may have counterfeited that one after 86 I remember mainly the basic drugs like deca, dbol and anavar......
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I remember Blasterone....... from the early/mid 80's...that stuff has not been around for a long time though.......
That was the real deal though-that was before the Mexican labs started counterfeiting...althoug h the may have counterfeited that one after 86 I remember mainly the basic drugs like deca, dbol and anavar......
I wish Duchaine was still alive to see the industry now. I'm sure he'd have alot to say about the current state of AAS, and the underground labs as well.
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I wish Duchaine was still alive to see the industry now. I'm sure he'd have alot to say about the current state of AAS, and the underground labs as well.
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Yeah, as long as someone else said it first.
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Arnold S has very little credibilty, although I'd say he has 'balls'.
Watch how he defends the steroid testing criteria in the IFBB during the special section on the Pumping Iron DVD...he says they get tested frequently with a straight face. That was sad, but hey....he's rich, he's Arnold, he isn't above lying.
For the love of God he's a politician!...but he's still Ahnold to me!
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Yeah, as long as someone else said it first.
William.........don't diss the Duchaine! ::)
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William.........don't diss the Duchaine! ::)
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Umm, OK.
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William.........don't diss the Duchaine! ::)
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Dan D. got himself in a lot of trouble.....in a lot of different ways...........the funny thing is when him and his group were busted in 87 Dan (and everyone else) was able to stay out of jail-not a single person went to jail and they were THEE steroid suppliers to the US back then....it was later after he kept dealing riods that he went to the big house......
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Umm, OK.
;D
Dan D. got himself in a lot of trouble.....in a lot of different ways...........the funny thing is when him and his group were busted in 87 Dan (and everyone else) was able to stay out of jail-not a single person went to jail and they were THEE steroid suppliers to the US back then....it was later after he kept dealing riods that he went to the big house......
He seemed too smart to get caught up in the dirt.
Was it just that the temptation was too much not to stick his hand in the cookie jar?
Was it just a case of his greed overcoming his intellect?
Speak on this.
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f**k, f**k, f**k, not QV!!!!!!!!! I guess this is why my boy has came up missing and his phones are shut off and his roommate said he disappered... he could be in jail or hiding... hey I guess everyone just lay low til this blows over. >: :-\
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He seemed too smart to get caught up in the dirt.
Was it just that the temptation was too much not to stick his hand in the cookie jar?
Was it just a case of his greed overcoming his intellect?
Speak on this.
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Didn't Dan go to the clink for misbranding drugs -- GHB and maybe clen too? I thought it was something like that.
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He seemed too smart to get caught up in the dirt.
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Dan Duchaine was smart in some ways and not so smart in other ways-but it all related to dealing roids....... he was dealing and sooner or later you will get caught...
When he was busted in 87 it was from 3 different angles-so anyway you cut it he was going to be busted.....
1- The Mexico operation was being monitored and that was the big one.....b/c that was a HUGE operation.......
2- Dan also had people sending in drugs from Europe (hey-we have heard this one before on here!), and his supply was intercepted at customs and he was being watched b/c of that.......
3- Last but not least, a guy (in Texas I think it was-maybe AZ) tried to rip off a former Mr USA winner for 30K in roids (fronted drugs), Mr USA had received the roids from Dan(fronted to Mr USA)....Mr USA went down to Texas with buddies and beat the shit out of the guy that tried to rip him off .... said if he didn't get his $$ he was going to kill him (drug deals-you just can't win ;D), ripoff man gets scared shitless and runs to the cops.....so this state investigation also ended up at Dan's doorstep....
Anyway you slice it-Dan was busted...........but like I said-he did not go to jail on these charges-it was after this when he kept dealing (big mistake) that he went to the big house......
That is the Dan D story-short version............
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My buddies never trusted Mexican steroids anyway, so it doesnt effect anyone I know. All the stuff they get comes from over seas legit pharmacies/manufacturers and when comparred to QV, they worked way way better. No counterfiets, no dirty labs, no underdosing. Its nice getting a package that is so blantly from a legit source, that going back to questionable Mexi steroids never enters their mind again.
It's all personal preference and what has worked for you. Everyone has their own prejudices when it comes to brands, but it all comes down to what you like.
Dan Duchaine was smart in some ways and not so smart in other ways-but it all related to dealing roids....... he was dealing and sooner or later you will get caught...
When he was busted in 87 it was from 3 different angles-so anyway you cut it he was going to be busted.....
1- The Mexico operation was being monitored and that was the big one.....b/c that was a HUGE operation.......
2- Dan also had people sending in drugs from Europe (hey-we have heard this one before on here!), and his supply was intercepted at customs and he was being watched b/c of that.......
3- Last but not least, a guy (in Texas I think it was-maybe AZ) tried to rip off a former Mr USA winner for 30K in roids (fronted drugs), Mr USA had received the roids from Dan(fronted to Mr USA)....Mr USA went down to Texas with buddies and beat the shit out of the guy that tried to rip him off .... said if he didn't get his $$ he was going to kill him (drug deals-you just can't win ;D), ripoff man gets scared shitless and runs to the cops.....so this state investigation also ended up at Dan's doorstep....
Anyway you slice it-Dan was busted...........but like I said-he did not go to jail on these charges-it was after this when he kept dealing (big mistake) that he went to the big house......
That is the Dan D story-short version............
It appears Dan was dipping his dick in several whores at the same time.......
Sounds like he got greedy, which is usually the case when these things go down.
I thought Duchaine was smarter than that....... ???
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Dan Duchaine was smart in some ways and not so smart in other ways-but it all related to dealing roids....... he was dealing and sooner or later you will get caught...
When he was busted in 87 it was from 3 different angles-so anyway you cut it he was going to be busted.....
1- The Mexico operation was being monitored and that was the big one.....b/c that was a HUGE operation.......
2- Dan also had people sending in drugs from Europe (hey-we have heard this one before on here!), and his supply was intercepted at customs and he was being watched b/c of that.......
3- Last but not least, a guy (in Texas I think it was-maybe AZ) tried to rip off a former Mr USA winner for 30K in roids (fronted drugs), Mr USA had received the roids from Dan(fronted to Mr USA)....Mr USA went down to Texas with buddies and beat the shit out of the guy that tried to rip him off .... said if he didn't get his $$ he was going to kill him (drug deals-you just can't win ;D), ripoff man gets scared shitless and runs to the cops.....so this state investigation also ended up at Dan's doorstep....
Anyway you slice it-Dan was busted...........but like I said-he did not go to jail on these charges-it was after this when he kept dealing (big mistake) that he went to the big house......
That is the Dan D story-short version............
From an interview:
DD [laughs]: Which time, Scott? [Laughs again.] I went to prison twice. I went to prison in 1987. There was a very odd time in my life, where I started doing a small retail steroid operation. I had a price list going out in the mail, and it grew out of having friends who were steroid dealers. They wanted to get mail-order customers. They mailed out their price list to people who had bought my Underground Steroid Handbook. For the longest time I said, "I'm not going to sell steroids because I don't know where to get them." Then there was a point in my life where I left my first wife. I left with nothing, because she took everything. I was a little low on cash, and had an acquaintance who had the ability to get anabolic steroids. So I said I'd throw my price list in with the others. I actually probably undercut the others, so my list was much more attractive. Mostly the customers were people who would buy $100 to $200 at a time. A couple things happened. I started getting a lot of things from a steroid dealer in Europe who wanted to move product through America. He extended me some credit, and I couldn't do all the selling myself so I started wholesaling things out to other dealers. And Dianabol, the most popular oral steroid withdrawn from the market, both the generic and the trade name...I was looking around for a replacement. All of the replacements were very poorly done. You could pick up a tablet and write your name on a chalkboard. It was that bad. There were some tablets out of England and India that were very nice. Guys would show up at the L.A. airport and I'd get a few hundred bottles, but I'd never know when they'd come back.
Then I had the opportunity to work with someone I'd never met before. He was working with a small drug company in Tijuana that was making generic drugs for the Mexican market. They specialized in antibiotics like Tetracycline. We had a meeting one day and he said, "Could you use some Dianabol?" I said, "Damn right I can, but I'm not a drug smuggler." He said, "We can get it over the border for you." I told him that I was mostly a retail guy and asked him how much I'd have to buy. He said 5,000 bottles. I said, "I don't know. That would last me a year." Then I talked to a friend of mine, and we agreed that we could move it out of Mexico, so that's how we started with this manufacturing company, Laboratories Milano. For a short time, my job was to dream up the kind of steroids they'd make. I'd find an example on the market and maybe change the packaging and labels. After a half a year, I noticed the U.S. Federal Government was starting to follow me around. And I thought, "This is not a hobby anymore." So I left that whole conspiracy and left the steroid business and moved to San Francisco. I started working with Champion Nutrition. About the middle of 1987, the government swept up everyone who was ever involved with that conspiracy and I happened to be at the beginning of it. I did 10 months in prison that time.
After I was released on probation, I stupidly in about 1991 met up with a friend who had a longevity club selling GHB. The GHB supplement used to be available in health-food stores until the FDA realized it was really a sleep aid. It could knock you out in 20 minutes. Even though they can't really ban a drug-only Congress and the DEA can do that-they can enact these weird Catch-22 labeling laws. So as long as you're selling GHB in your state, they can't touch you, but if you ship a bottle of a substance they don't really like across state lines, there is no possible way to fulfill the labeling requirements. So we just didn't put labels on the GHB bottles, with no claims whatsoever. We just called them research chemicals. The government kind of got pissed about that. Unfortunately it was supposed to be a finite thing. We had very little GHB left. We had a little Clenbuterol at the same time. It was an already established longevity buyer's club. Unfortunately for us, one of the customers was an undercover FDA agent so I got my tit caught in the wringer. It was a stupid thing for me to do. Even though I can argue that it wasn't worth 36 months because it wasn't really an illegal drug, hey-I take the responsibility. I did my time. I learned a lot in prison about how to make money in legitimate avenues. I probably made more money in prison than the prison officials!
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Cool interview-where is that posted at? I wouls like ot read the whole thing....
That is some of the story-but that is not the whole story......Dan was selling on a retail basis-he had numerous PO Boxes all over LA and even Las Vegas.
Dan was advertising in muscle mags and he was filling maybe 100 "small" orders a weekpersonal use--mailing out numerous packages all over the US-the other guy in this outfit was selling the same amount of roids-but in 10 to 20 shipments/packages-wholesale if you will.........one of these guys buying wholesale was a well known powerlifter that was informing-setting everyone up...............which was too bad.
That shit turned into a huge mess for all sorts of people....not just the trhee main guys-therewere numerous smaller little guys involved in this mess.....
I did not remember Dan going to jail though.......the other guys didn't-including the Dan's counter part selling wholesale.....
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Cool interview-where is that posted at? I wouls like ot read the whole thing....
That is some of the story-but that is not the whole story......Dan was selling on a retail basis-he had numerous PO Boxes all over LA and even Las Vegas.
Dan was advertising in muscle mags and he was filling maybe 100 "small" orders a weekpersonal use--mailing out numerous packages all over the US-the other guy in this outfit was selling the same amount of roids-but in 10 to 20 shipments/packages-wholesale if you will.........one of these guys buying wholesale was a well known powerlifter that was informing-setting everyone up...............which was too bad.
That shit turned into a huge mess for all sorts of people....not just the trhee main guys-therewere numerous smaller little guys involved in this mess.....
I did not remember Dan going to jail though.......the other guys didn't-including the Dan's counter part selling wholesale.....
All it takes is one set of loose lips.
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i say... give it time.. we will find out about the true facts about this case.... the DEA is trying to make a statement to the public right now, but when the facts come out what actually happen to these people... we will see.
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ill also add... if u think any professional sport in america is juice free??? just look how these local cops bust NFL football players with drugs(coke) yet the NFL cant?? lol!! ie:Minnesota Vikings.. the nfl cant catch them yet local police can?? lol!
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Good analogy . . . comparing the sale of footballs, baseball bats and running shoes to the hawking of dubious sports supplements by using photos of extremely jacked bodybuilders in contest shape. ::) Meltdowns occur when the truth touches a nerve.
No nerve touched here not even close.
So when Barry bond stand there holding a bat kids dont want to be like that?and have thier parents go buy them a bat, same for all sport you fucking moron.
Oh but its all just drugs i forgot that is your looser excuse to wh yyou can and never will be anything.
But hey its your pathetic life so enjoy and hope it ends soon.I mean that in a nice way ;D
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Cool interview-where is that posted at? I wouls like ot read the whole thing....
That is some of the story-but that is not the whole story......Dan was selling on a retail basis-he had numerous PO Boxes all over LA and even Las Vegas.
Dan was advertising in muscle mags and he was filling maybe 100 "small" orders a weekpersonal use--mailing out numerous packages all over the US-the other guy in this outfit was selling the same amount of roids-but in 10 to 20 shipments/packages-wholesale if you will.........one of these guys buying wholesale was a well known powerlifter that was informing-setting everyone up...............which was too bad.
That shit turned into a huge mess for all sorts of people....not just the trhee main guys-therewere numerous smaller little guys involved in this mess.....
I did not remember Dan going to jail though.......the other guys didn't-including the Dan's counter part selling wholesale.....
Here you go:
http://www.musclenet.com/danduchaine.htm
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I'm starting to become quite a fan of this Dan Duchaine.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46720.msg762033#msg762033
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Of course, legalized nicotine and alcohol use has caused more misery, illness, and death than all the illegal drugs, including steroids, combined.
But two wrongs don’t make a right, do they?!! Arguably, if one took BB drugs under strict medical monitoring/supervision, then their long-term bodily harm would be minimized. But they rarely, if ever, are!
In the chemical-monster/freak-shows that are called pro. bodybuilding contests, we only have to go to the URL…
http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
to get a REAL look at the sordid, dangerous, drug-ridden, world/lifestyle of pro. bodybuilding…and that was eight long, long, years ago! Or, we only have to look at the published lists of former pro. BBers, who either suffer from a myriad of serious health problems, or have simply fallen over dead in their 30’s and 40’s.
But, pro. BB is so deeply ensconced with layer-upon-layer of deliberate lies and deceit, that it is very difficult to find-out-for/provide-to the general public the TRUTH regarding the monstrous, dangerous, deadly, BB drug cycles that these chemical monsters actually take! In addition, accurate information on the actual health problems that these chemical monsters experience is practically unavailable, except for brief glimpses of the carefully hidden truth, as described in the above URL/Iron-Man-mag.-interview!
But hey, maybe more of these pro, BB freaks will suddenly fall-over dead at an early age, or their serious, unusual, health problems will be publicly exposed, or more will get arrested for illegal drug-dealing, and the very difficult efforts at discovering the real truth in this sordid, evil, “lifestyle” will eventually be made more available/public!
And then, we have the legions of NON-competing “recreational” bodybuilders who take similar bodybuilding drugs, without any medical supervision, because their dim-witted, fragile, egos can’t be satisfied with a slightly smaller, non-drug-bloated, muscular physique. Talk about not playing with a full-deck!!
This lifestyle of illegal BB drug-use and abuse is a classic example of taking self-denial, and deceit, to ridiculous and dangerous extremes!!
The good news is that finally a real concerted effort is being made to discover the TRUTH behind illegal drug use, and drug dealing, as it relates to the closet cult of pro. BB!.
So sadly, those of us who train naturally have been forever stereotyped, and stigmatized, in the eyes of the general public, and have been lumped together with the illegal drug-using/drug-dealing, deceitful, self-denying, coven of BB DRUGGIES!!!
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Steroids kill.
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Of course, legalized nicotine and alcohol use has caused more misery, illness, and death than all the illegal drugs, including steroids, combined.
But two wrongs don’t make a right, do they?!! Arguably, if one took BB drugs under strict medical monitoring/supervision, then their long-term bodily harm would be minimized. But they rarely, if ever, are!
In the chemical-monster/freak-shows that are called pro. bodybuilding contests, we only have to go to the URL…
http://www.trulyhuge.com/pro_bodybuilding.htm
to get a REAL look at the sordid, dangerous, drug-ridden, world/lifestyle of pro. bodybuilding…and that was eight long, long, years ago! Or, we only have to look at the published lists of former pro. BBers, who either suffer from a myriad of serious health problems, or have simply fallen over dead in their 30’s and 40’s.
But, pro. BB is so deeply ensconced with layer-upon-layer of deliberate lies and deceit, that it is very difficult to find-out-for/provide-to the general public the TRUTH regarding the monstrous, dangerous, deadly, BB drug cycles that these chemical monsters actually take! In addition, accurate information on the actual health problems that these chemical monsters experience is practically unavailable, except for brief glimpses of the carefully hidden truth, as described in the above URL/Iron-Man-mag.-interview!
But hey, maybe more of these pro, BB freaks will suddenly fall-over dead at an early age, or their serious, unusual, health problems will be publicly exposed, or more will get arrested for illegal drug-dealing, and the very difficult efforts at discovering the real truth in this sordid, evil, “lifestyle” will eventually be made more available/public!
And then, we have the legions of NON-competing “recreational” bodybuilders who take similar bodybuilding drugs, without any medical supervision, because their dim-witted, fragile, egos can’t be satisfied with a slightly smaller, non-drug-bloated, muscular physique. Talk about not playing with a full-deck!!
This lifestyle of illegal BB drug-use and abuse is a classic example of taking self-denial, and deceit, to ridiculous and dangerous extremes!!
The good news is that finally a real concerted effort is being made to discover the TRUTH behind illegal drug use, and drug dealing, as it relates to the closet cult of pro. BB!.
So sadly, those of us who train naturally have been forever stereotyped, and stigmatized, in the eyes of the general public, and have been lumped together with the illegal drug-using/drug-dealing, deceitful, self-denying, coven of BB DRUGGIES!!!
You could very easily take out the term bodybuilder and replace it with any other sport -- even bowling, darts, archery -- just fill in the blank. It ain't just football, baseball, basketball and certainly not just bodybuilding.
Wait until they bust the first PGA golfer or something.
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No nerve touched here not even close.
So when Barry bond stand there holding a bat kids dont want to be like that?and have thier parents go buy them a bat, same for all sport you fucking moron.
Oh but its all just drugs i forgot that is your looser excuse to wh yyou can and never will be anything.
But hey its your pathetic life so enjoy and hope it ends soon.I mean that in a nice way ;D
MELTDOWN.
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No nerve touched here not even close.
So when Barry bond stand there holding a bat kids dont want to be like that?and have thier parents go buy them a bat, same for all sport you fucking moron.
Oh but its all just drugs i forgot that is your looser excuse to wh yyou can and never will be anything.
But hey its your pathetic life so enjoy and hope it ends soon.I mean that in a nice way ;D
If you hold stock in the Australian public school system...
It's time to sell :-X
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You could very easily take out the term bodybuilder and replace it with any other sport -- even bowling, darts, archery -- just fill in the blank. It ain't just football, baseball, basketball and certainly not just bodybuilding.
Wait until they bust the first PGA golfer or something.
Duhhh...ugh...grunt...bu t, but, bodybuilding IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, a REAL sport!!!
You might call pro. bodybuilders "MIRROR athletes", however...a.k.a. "human pin/needle cushions"!
Particularly, pro. bodybuilding is not a sport!! Pro. BB is an illegal drug-ridden, illegal drug-dealing, backroom, closet, cult/lifestyle; supported mainly by fags and schmoes!
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Duhhh...ugh...grunt...but, but, bodybuilding IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT, a REAL sport!!!
You might call pro. bodybuilders "MIRROR athletes", however...a.k.a. "human pin/needle cushions"!
Particularly, pro. bodybuilding is not a sport!! Pro. BB is an illegal drug-ridden, illegal drug-dealing, backroom, closet, cult/lifestyle; supported mainly by fags and schmoes!
What are you talking about? Obviously, you have never seen the WSM competitions -- I mean Franco blew-up a hot water bottle until it burst.
Ronnie ran and came in a close second I might add in a flipper race on the beach.
Kevin Levrone almost beat one of the fastest men in the word in the 100 meters
The list goes on....
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What are you talking about? Obviously, you have never seen the WSM competitions -- I mean Franco blew-up a hot water bottle until it burst.
Ronnie ran and came in a close second I might add in a flipper race on the beach.
Kevin Levrone almost beat one of the fastest men in the word in the 100 meters
The list goes on....
Gee, golly, gosh, BillyC, this doesn't mean to say that pro. BBers haven't displayed athletic ability in various athletic events, like the WSM, going back to "Louie" in the WSM's of the late 70's.
But, the act of staggering around on a pro. BB stage and flexing your muscles is simply NOT an athletic event...but, rather a "'poor man's" beauty pageant!
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No nerve touched here not even close.
So when Barry bond stand there holding a bat kids dont want to be like that?and have thier parents go buy them a bat, same for all sport you fucking moron.
Oh but its all just drugs i forgot that is your looser excuse to wh yyou can and never will be anything.
But hey its your pathetic life so enjoy and hope it ends soon.I mean that in a nice way ;D
If that's what comes out of the mouth of the 6th best bodybuilder in the game today, then I guess i'm relatively satisfied with being the 6000th or 60,000th or 600,000th "best" lawyer. I'm still waiting for the official rankings to be released to see where I currently place in my profession. :) I acknowledge that i'm not one of the "all-time greats" in my chosen field (as you, Lee, are in your's) but, nonetheless, my life has been fairly fulfilling so far. Thanks for your concern about my well-being.
By the way, Lee, I never said (nor do I believe) that "it's all just drugs" so are you making some kind of confession here? Maybe you should cut down on your daily dosage of hydroxycut because you seem to be a little too much on the edge. Oh wait . . . you don't endorse Muscletech products anymore, do you? That's strange because didn't you praise their products to high heaven a few years back? Well, anyway, I have little doubt that your supplement company du jour has unbelievable products that will give you the competitive advantage necessary for you to do lots of damage in 2006. Season's greetings.
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Gee, golly, gosh, BillyC, this doesn't mean to say that pro. BBers haven't displayed athletic ability in various athletic events, like the WSM, going back to "Louie" in the WSM's of the late 70's.
But, the act of staggering around on a pro. BB stage and flexing your muscles is simply NOT an athletic event...but, rather a "'poor man's" beauty pageant!
So what is your point?
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By the way, Lee, I never said (nor do I believe) that "it's all just drugs" so are you making some kind of confession here?
Lee Priest confess...Lee Priest tell the TRUTH...why, why, the world would come to an end!!!
Gee, gollies, maybe Lee could provide us with an itemized list of his monstrous "contest-prep" drug stacks and the suppliers of his illegal BB drugs...but, whoops, he would be admitting that he is breaking the law!
Why...why...if Lee actually supplied a list of his illegal drug suppliers, he would probably end up "sleeping with the fishes"!
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So what is your point?
That pro. BB competition is NOT a sport...plain and simple...even though some pro. BBers have athletic ability!
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Ronnie ran and came in a close second I might add in a flipper race on the beach.
That flipper race was AWESOME...that should be an olympic sport by itself!
;D
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I think the difference here is that Barry Bonds could still probably hit 50 homer's a year without using any gear, pro bodybuilders however would look like a joke without gear, you can't seriously deny this.. also I seriously doubt baseball players are ramming 4000mg of test into themselves per week. Don't get me wrong, I use gear and I'm all for it, but the statement you made earlier is complete bullshit. I think the core of this issue is deception, seeing bodybuilders like you promoting a protein or prohormone makes kids believe they can look like that [naturally] , there's the deception right there, it's an outright lie. And yes I know all about the fine print b.s and 'results not typical, etc' but still to some 15 or 16 year old that has no money, well you get the idea... I'm 27 now, when I was 18 I thought you can get to the magazine level by lifting regularly and taking vitamins, I'm sure most of us did.
No nerve touched here not even close.
So when Barry bond stand there holding a bat kids dont want to be like that?and have thier parents go buy them a bat, same for all sport you fucking moron.
Oh but its all just drugs i forgot that is your looser excuse to wh yyou can and never will be anything.
But hey its your pathetic life so enjoy and hope it ends soon.I mean that in a nice way ;D
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So what is your point?
William, don't get on Richard's shitlist.
You'll NEVER get back off........ :'(
That mutha has a soapbox with YOUR name on it!
DIV
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William, don't get on Richard's shitlist.
You'll NEVER get back off........ :'(
That mutha has a soapbox with YOUR name on it!
DIV
Point taken -- I just don't get his point or his interest in BB.
It is a sport, competition whatever -- who really cares? I enjoy seeing guys pushing the limit no matter how it is done. To me that is the nature of sport.
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Everyone knows that bodybuilding is a sport.
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Everyone knows that bodybuilding is a sport.
ive never really considered bodybuilding a sport...but if golf is a sport then bodybuilding is too.
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ive never really considered bodybuilding a sport...but if golf is a sport then bodybuilding is too.
I have a new appreciation for golf these days. I just met and started working with a pro golfer who is going to make a comeback on the senior tour in a year or two. There is a lot more to that game than I ever thought -- I have never played or understood it really. It was always put the ball in the hole to me.
It appears, like a lot of other sports, that players are taking it to the next level. More serious training, nutrition etc.
It seems when ever there is a ton of cake on the line -- and there certainly is in golf -- that this evolution happens.
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Point taken -- I just don't get his point or his interest in BB.
Duhhh...ugh...grunt...Bi llyC, I was doing "bodybuilding exercises" with barbells and dumbbells (uhhh...that is, perfoming squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, curls, pull-ups/downs, etc.) and winning national Olympic weightlifting championships and setting national Olympic weightlifting records before you were born!!
What the hell do you know about my personal knowledge of BB??!! Why, I've probably forgotten more about BB than you will ever know (but then hell, drug freaks like you don't live much past 40, anyhow, so you won't be around that long anyway)!
What you and your illegal, dangerous, deadly, drug-using, drug-dealing, chemical monster BB "brotherhood" have done is pervert a once clean-living, highly estimable, BB lifestyle into a DESPICABLE criminal activity that has drawn the ridicule, derision, and ire, of the general public and mass media; justifiable scrutiny and punitive legislation by Congress; and careful monitoring/legal-action by the DEA and the FBI! Something you and your chemical monster/freak BB "brothers" can be REALLY PROUD of!!
It is a sport, competition whatever -- who really cares? I enjoy seeing guys pushing the limit no matter how it is done. To me that is the nature of sport.
If having drug-bloated 300 lb. chemical monsters staggering around on a BB stage and flexing their muscles is your definition of a "sport", then you are beyond trying to reason with!
Gee gollies BillyC, I like to see these freaks "push the limits", too...like...let's see which one of these chemical monsters will fall over dead next...Yipppeee!!!
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IT gets all the attention because we and all involved keep talking about it.We know people use it big deal if you do you do,if you dont you dont.All other pros sports use them but dont sit and bash and discuss the issue to no fucking end.
Time to move on people.
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Duhhh...ugh...grunt...Bi llyC, I was doing "bodybuilding exercises" with barbells and dumbbells (uhhh...that is, perfoming squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, curls, pull-ups/downs, etc.) and winning national Olympic weightlifting championships and setting national Olympic weightlifting records before you were born!!
What the hell do you know about my personal knowledge of BB??!! Why, I've probably forgotten more about BB than you will ever know (but then hell, drug freaks like you don't live much past 40, anyhow, so you won't be around that long anyway)!
What you and your illegal, dangerous, deadly, drug-using, drug-dealing, chemical monster BB "brotherhood" have done is pervert a once clean-living, highly estimable, BB lifestyle into a DESPICABLE criminal activity that has drawn the ridicule, derision, and ire, of the general public and mass media; justifiable scrutiny and punitive legislation by Congress; and careful monitoring/legal-action by the DEA and the FBI! Something you and your chemical monster/freak BB "brothers" can be REALLY PROUD of!!
If having drug-bloated 300 lb. chemical monsters staggering around on a BB stage and flexing their muscles is your definition of a "sport", then you are beyond trying to reason with!
Gee gollies BillyC, I like to see these freaks "push the limits", too...like...let's see which one of these chemical monsters will fall over dead next...Yipppeee!!!
You know how old I am -- that is pretty interesting.
And, I take great offense to you calling me a drug freak -- which I certainly am not. I am as much (or less than) a drug freak as you I would have to assume.
And, you were setting National Records before I was born -- so that makes you what around 55-60? Not that it matters or anything.
And, tell me when the bodybuilding lifestyle was "clean-lived". Didn't Arnold blast a joint in "pumping iron"? I guess you mean before that? Plus, all those guys in that movie were clean as well right?
And, I believe the senate hearing focused on MLB not BB. Isn't that Americas passtime?
I will agree with you however that lots of BB take it way too far -- but that is the nature of the beast in BB and everyother sport known to man.
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You know how old I am -- that is pretty interesting.
And, I take great offense to you calling me a drug freak -- which I certainly am not. I am as much (or less than) a drug freak as you I would have to assume.
And, you were setting National Records before I was born -- so that makes you what around 55-60? Not that it matters or anything.
And, tell me when the bodybuilding lifestyle was "clean-lived". Didn't Arnold blast a joint in "pumping iron"? I guess you mean before that? Plus, all those guys in that movie were clean as well right?
And, I believe the senate hearing focused on MLB not BB. Isn't that Americas passtime?
I will agree with you however that lots of BB take it way too far -- but that is the nature of the beast in BB and everyother sport known to man.
BillyC, please accept my most sincere apologies for referring to you as a "drug freak" if, in fact, the "moniker" does not apply! It's just that the moronic practice of calling complete strangers names (all intended in fun, of course!!) is a great "pastime" on Getbig! And, since I've been called every name in the book on here...for so long...I just started thinking..."if you can't beat 'em, join them"!
We've had two "warring camps" on the issue of illegal, dangerous, deadly, drugs in BB for decades. Sadly, if an individual is going to compete on the pro. BB level seriously, he/she is practically forced to embrace the drug-route to BB "success"! But, what makes this process/"lifestyle" so DESPICABLE is the decades of lies/deceit/cover-up/denial by the bodybuilding "industry" on the BB drug subject...i.e. by the contestants, BB mags., supplement manufacturers, contest promoters, etc.!!
You actually have to go way back to the 1950's to get an honest look at a truly "all-natural" physique...John Grimek (yes, even though he took some "test concoctions" prepped by Dr. John Ziegler), Reg Park, Steve Reeves, Bill Pearl and Melvin Wells (who had a fantastic physique-relatively speaking-in the 1940's), for example.
Of course, I admire the dedication and hard-work/self-discipline of the current crop of pro. BBers, as any dedicated "recreational BBer" like myself would! But, the BB drugs have just distorted, and apparently polluted/debased, everything which once made the development of an impressive all-natural weight-trained physique an estimable goal in the eyes of the general public/media!
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IT gets all the attention because we and all involved keep talking about it.We know people use it big deal if you do you do,if you dont you dont.All other pros sports use them but dont sit and bash and discuss the issue to no fucking end.
Time to move on people.
It won't die, Lee.
AAS are like a thick bucket of fresh KFC......and everyone is lining up for a breast.
You know this......
Don't try to minimize the "Dark Side".......
DIV
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William, don't get on Richard's shitlist.
You'll NEVER get back off........ :'(
DIV
Now, now, Div, as you well know, on these boards I'm usually the "shitee" and not the "shitor"!! ;D
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Duhhh...ugh...grunt...Bi llyC, I was doing "bodybuilding exercises" with barbells and dumbbells (uhhh...that is, perfoming squats, deadlifts, rows, presses, curls, pull-ups/downs, etc.) and winning national Olympic weightlifting championships and setting national Olympic weightlifting records before you were born!!
What the hell do you know about my personal knowledge of BB??!! Why, I've probably forgotten more about BB than you will ever know (but then hell, drug freaks like you don't live much past 40, anyhow, so you won't be around that long anyway)!
What you and your illegal, dangerous, deadly, drug-using, drug-dealing, chemical monster BB "brotherhood" have done is pervert a once clean-living, highly estimable, BB lifestyle into a DESPICABLE criminal activity that has drawn the ridicule, derision, and ire, of the general public and mass media; justifiable scrutiny and punitive legislation by Congress; and careful monitoring/legal-action by the DEA and the FBI! Something you and your chemical monster/freak BB "brothers" can be REALLY PROUD of!!
If having drug-bloated 300 lb. chemical monsters staggering around on a BB stage and flexing their muscles is your definition of a "sport", then you are beyond trying to reason with!
Gee gollies BillyC, I like to see these freaks "push the limits", too...like...let's see which one of these chemical monsters will fall over dead next...Yipppeee!!!
GREAT post.
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Now, now, Div, as you well know, on these boards I'm usually the "shitee" and not the "shitor"!! ;D
Forgive me Richard, for I have sinned.
I think you are an angel in our midst......
Hail Mary......
DIV
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Forgive me Richard, for I have sinned.
I think you are an angel in our midst......
Hail Mary......
DIV
Bullshitsky!!!
But hey Div, the next time you venture over on the "Dark Side", please take "Testy" with you and leave him over there when you return (preferably under a rock)!
In moving on...sure, we all admire the pro. BB drug-using competitors for their dedication, hard work, self-denial/sacrifice, etc., but PLEASE would they just be HONEST and forthcoming about their actual contest-prep drug cycles/stacks. Enough of their mag lies like .."I got 'contest-ripped' using MetFck"...CRAP!
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Bullshitsky!!!
But hey Div, the next time you venture over on the "Dark Side", please take "Testy" with you and leave him over there when you return (preferably under a rock)!
It's not like that Richard.
Once you crossover, there is no turning back......
Jim won't turn, he is not one with the force..........
It
...is
......not
...........his
...............destiny
DIV
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It's not like that Richard.
Once you crossover, there is no turning back......
Jim won't turn, he is not one with the force..........
It
...is
......not
...........his
...............destiny
DIV
"DARK SIDE TURN HE WON'T".......Yoda in Return of the Jedi!
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I was trying to get at the level of EPO, GH, amphetamines and the upteen million other things these guys "may" use to crank the peddles around.
The question wasn't directed at you man. You never stated anything about manliness and tights in the Tour de France, or did you? ;D
YIP
Zack
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"DARK SIDE TURN HE WON'T".......Yoda in Return of the Jedi!
Not ready is he.
"Dark Side" turn he won't......
Word, nugga!
DIV
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The question wasn't directed at you man. You never stated anything about manliness and tights in the Tour de France, or did you? ;D
YIP
Zack
Nope, that weren't me.
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Not ready is he.
"Dark Side" turn he won't......
Word, nugga!
DIV
Hahaha
Division , made that up just I did now ....you know much better that shit than I....(Yoda speak!) ;D
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Hahaha
Division , made that up just I did now ....you know much better that shit than I....(Yoda speak!) ;D
For a living, whatever is it you do........want it do I.
Word.
DIV
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what happened with this anyways?