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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bic_staedtler on December 17, 2005, 07:32:10 PM
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I mean, do they get someone else to pick it up for them?....do they have doctors prescribe the majority of the 'legal' stuff? Do they buy it themselves? You'd think that would be risky to say the least, yet you need what you need, right?....hell, Cormier could stop blaming pancakes and jam for his lackluster conditioning and just say the truth... "Damn, yo, I couldn't score the right shit for this contest. Sorry."
I wonder. Anybody have any ideas? Pancakes?
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Good question, I'd like to know as well! Besides, the same pros advice youngsters about working out hard and eating protein. what they are forgetting to add is "add a few hundred mg of such and such and then cycle it every x days..."
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...to be honest, I ain't talking how much or any of that. I just wonder how they go about getting it, from who, that kinda thing. Or is there some system the pro's use through an agency which does....at any rate, it seems like a big hassle that could have repercussions.
I don't expect any pros to answer, and those who do use, you can use hypothetical situations.
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Bob Chicerillo, Will Harris, Abbas Khatami and Gunter all come to my place for it.
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..yeah, but I would think that all things concerned, getting your juice would be on a very high priority during contest prep. A part that could fuck you over bigtime if you don't have your ducks lined up properly.
So you figure these guys just go to any standard drug dealer?....you could see how purity would be very important. Could you imagine if someone like Gunter had to go incognito on a cruise to score some roids?
.."...AHHH, EKSKoooz meee, ahhh....haf yoo gat sam ...yoo know, (insert steroid or anabolic)???"
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i'm sure that they use a very reputable guy and he keeps them well supplied all the time
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They go out of the country. Mexico? Europe? I doubt it's that difficult. Ask Milo what they do.
Maybe they are all chemist and they manufacture it themselves. I'm sure that's what Ronnie does.
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A lot of Pros are deep in the gear trade. A few of em get popped for it here and there. A few names come to mind.
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A lot of Pros are deep in the gear trade. A few of em get popped for it here and there. A few names come to mind.
Word, LoomZoom.....
Some of them get scripts from Docs, some of them buy from dealers, some of them make their own homebrew. I'd imagine it runs the spectrum.
DIV
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Division is right,,,but the problem is that many people abuse it and thats what can lead to medical issues and even death. Just like people do with recreational drugs. That one hit of weed may not kill you,,but if you abuse it and combine it with harder drugs you can damage your body. If you have ever broken a bone or needed pain killers for some kind of injury,,they say to destroy or throw away the pain killers if you dont need them anymore,,but hardly anyone does that and takes them regardless.
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Call me crazy but I could see some high supply gear dealers actually giving some top pros free gear.This would give the dealer credibility when a "buyer" asks to buy some of their wares.He could just point out such & such pro & say look at him, he's huge & he gets his stuff all from me.Dealer would also maybe get to "hang" w/said pro & get to relish the fact of saying he knows & hangs w/such & such pro(s) etc.
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If they live in border states, I suppose it'd pretty easy to juice/load up in Mexico, then cross back over.
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...to be honest, I ain't talking how much or any of that. I just wonder how they go about getting it, from who, that kinda thing. Or is there some system the pro's use through an agency which does....at any rate, it seems like a big hassle that could have repercussions.
I don't expect any pros to answer, and those who do use, you can use hypothetical situations.
There's a beautiful "black market" out there for everything, and i'm sure they will make random runs themselves. Just my opinion. It's like saying every pot smoker grows it themselves in their backyard...Noooooo not all of them, they buy from someone who's bought from someone and so on and so on.
Lisa
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just use cell-tech it's 2463% more effective than regular creatine.
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I would doubt that they'd use the internet, that's just stupid and easy to get caught. I'm serious, I would think that getting a supply of good clean gear would be as difficult to do as any other aspect of bodybuilding.
Yet you have the top guys all the time getting the job done.
Think about it, most of us here respect Ronnie (as an example) for his work ethic. Plus the whole ex cop thing, but really, when you think about it, for all his God mumbo jumbo, he'd have to go through the same damn thing as a junkie trying to score. He'd have to make the calls, grease the right hands, all that. Which must make him feel like a great Christian!
Unless they have thugs as connections to some underground, but then that would be like taking a risk on quality. I wouldn't trust just anybody with that shit!
It seems that it would be a hard secret to keep if you were the one supplying a pro with his gear, GH, what have you.
Maybe I should ask Palumbo!
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I live in McAllen tx = border with mexico ;D
A couple of months ago i went across to drink and hangout at the market square.
You can purchase them at very corner and was approached several times as we were passing buy-
Winstrol for $ 8.00 a vial , Test for $9.00 , Deca - $7.00 etc...
The only thing i didn't get offered was a flyer :-\
By the way i did see at least 2 people from my gym visiting the local mexican pharmcy :-X
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I would say BULLSEYE is a 10
A1 being a 8
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Just like there are drug dealers for recreational drugs there are dealers for AAS. If you dont have any connections you can make a trip to some country were its legal buy it at a pharmacy and smuggle it over. If you need a ton of sauce and you got the DEA after your ass you can just settle down live there (Dennis James). :D
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lol @ lee
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...what I'm saying is that you'd need a good haul of drugs and I'm sure smuggling would be out of the question for pros.
Making it themselves?...don't believe that one, just way too risky.
That lends to how many cycles, the types of drugs they need...it just seems like a big task is all....you'd think the suppliers to these guys would have those pros by the nuts so to speak....
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If they live in border states, I suppose it'd pretty easy to juice/load up in Mexico, then cross back over.
maybe, maybe not.
the tv special i saw on the border patrol was that they ask you some gernal questions and then if they (border patrol) think you are suspicous they pull you over and inspect your car.
just imagine some huge meathead in a car coming back from mexico, it'll be pretty fucking obvious what he was doing there. even if he doesnt have anything, he'll most likely be searched anyways. assuming the border patrol peeps give a shit about steroids.
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What do you think the European Grand Prix circut is for?
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What do you think the European Grand Prix circut is for?
...I'd think that would be even more difficult as you'd have to not only beat a border check but the various airport security checks AND customs. Much more difficult, plus if you transported enough for a cycle, you could be in some serious shit as it would look like transporting for distribution..not good.
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maybe, maybe not.
the tv special i saw on the border patrol was that they ask you some gernal questions and then if they (border patrol) think you are suspicous they pull you over and inspect your car.
just imagine some huge meathead in a car coming back from mexico, it'll be pretty fucking obvious what he was doing there. even if he doesnt have anything, he'll most likely be searched anyways. assuming the border patrol peeps give a shit about steroids.
Or if you had half a brain you would send a normal size person, or even better a chick, over there to get your shit for you. Hypothetically speaking of course ;D ;D
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i'm sure that they use a very reputable guy and he keeps them well supplied all the time
Yeah his name is Chad Nichols
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...I'd think that would be even more difficult as you'd have to not only beat a border check but the various airport security checks AND customs. Much more difficult, plus if you transported enough for a cycle, you could be in some serious shit as it would look like transporting for distribution..not good.
Their are many ways and devices to smuggel steroids. They have toilet articles that work very nicely in concealing contraban. I don't want to get into detail and blow a good thing. Their is also the mail. All you need is an address or po box and use a fake return address. Oh yea, one more thing you need is BALLS.
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Oh yea, one more thing you need is BALLS.
I think that's requisite for getting involved with AAS in the first place.
Either balls or complete stupidity.
DIV
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Theoretically a pro could:
1) Import drugs themselves while visiting a friend in Thailand.
2) Place an order through a connected friend.
3) Order online like the rest of us.
Special "Ed" Ed
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3) Order online like the rest of us.
^Bad move, Edward.
You pay the price eventually......
DIV
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hey can someone photoshop some arms on that chick with no arms
no arms
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Either balls or complete stupidity.
DIV
Therine lies the fine line. " Is He nuts of just a ballsy bastard."
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they go to Mexico and inject 50,000mg. of Quality Vet Cypionate to last them a whole cycle so they don't have to risk bringing any back.
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They have doctors that are paid by wieder to give them "Hormone Replacement Therapy" and its all legal cause they are certified Dr.s ...thats what Chick Does ..
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Gear is sent through the mail everyday.... Look at the Dave P. situation. He was just trying to help out his boys. Money sent hushmail, phoned, or otherform and the gear is mailed... Just don't get caught!!!! and Lee...... A1 is way better!!!
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What do you think the European Grand Prix circut is for?
The chicks?
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Hypothetically? I would sell it to them.
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you serious?
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Hypothetically, you could find some hardcore powerlifters at your local gym and befriend them. Once they established that your not a cop and you train hard with them. They will open up and say that they use *fill in here*. After that it is up to you. Hypothetically of course.
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What do you think the European Grand Prix circut is for?
Russian dianabol ;D
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I would say BULLSEYE is a 10
A1 being a 8
Damn, an Aussie that doesn't know that a bullseye is worth 50 points.
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They have doctors that are paid by wieder to give them "Hormone Replacement Therapy" and its all legal cause they are certified Dr.s ...thats what Chick Does ..
i think you re the closest of the reality/truth.
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I mean, do they get someone else to pick it up for them?....do they have doctors prescribe the majority of the 'legal' stuff? Do they buy it themselves? You'd think that would be risky to say the least, yet you need what you need, right?....hell, Cormier could stop blaming pancakes and jam for his lackluster conditioning and just say the truth..."Damn, yo, I couldn't score the right shit for this contest. Sorry."
I wonder. Anybody have any ideas? Pancakes?
Personally, if I were them, I would just go to Stop and shop. The have TONS of sauses. ;D
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They hide it inside the bobble head doll. uuuuummmmmmmmmm who sells those
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the old cliche
it ain't what you know it's who you know
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gh 15...we are all waiting for your take on the subject
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ever wonder how movie stars and entertainers get drugs? once there is money involved you will always have someone selling it.
The smart people create a layer of insulation so that it cannot be traced back. But in these days and times it is not that difficult! open up MD and every other has your answer *canada*
Hey Alexxx, send us something.
Wasn't Rodney St.Could busted when he had a ton of stuff sent to his wife's office?
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also from what I hear you can get it on any college campus. So for example, it can turn a basketball player into.....no, no, no, I won't say it
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Everyone knows that the pros are 100% natural.The IFBB has a strict zero tolerance drug policy,therefore,it is foolish to think that the pros would risk being caught.After all,they ARE drug tested.
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Or if you had half a brain you would send a normal size person, or even better a chick, over there to get your shit for you. Hypothetically speaking of course ;D ;D
I thought this fellow only started taking anabolic steroids as of late?
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Im sure the get it very easily many ways making it is easy easy requires no special equipment. I doubt most do that though more then likely most get handouts or sell enough to pay for there own.
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Getting it online is the easiest way. No middleman, total privacy and you get some good shit that works.
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...to be honest, I ain't talking how much or any of that. I just wonder how they go about getting it, from who, that kinda thing. Or is there some system the pro's use through an agency which does....at any rate, it seems like a big hassle that could have repercussions.
I don't expect any pros to answer, and those who do use, you can use hypothetical situations.
from a dealer
why do you guys try and make it so mysterious?
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from a dealer
why do you guys try and make it so mysterious?
Let's call this guy back from 2005 and have him answer this for you :D
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Division is right,,,but the problem is that many people abuse it and thats what can lead to medical issues and even death. Just like people do with recreational drugs. That one hit of weed may not kill you,,but if you abuse it and combine it with harder drugs you can damage your body. If you have ever broken a bone or needed pain killers for some kind of injury,,they say to destroy or throw away the pain killers if you dont need them anymore,,but hardly anyone does that and takes them regardless.
Yeah I had a knee surgery and needed some heavy pain killers after that, I would take them during the whole summer that year, even if I was still very fine. My doc would write me a new prescription every time I asked, without even saying a word.
I was drinking heavily that summer too, and on the pain killers... I never even thought about being "addicted" or taking them for the fun, it's just that it was normal to pop them after I did so long after the surgery, and I didn't even realize what I did until a few years later.
I stopped sometime by myself because I enrolled in university that fall and had other things to focus on, but it could have gone bad as well.
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Let's call this guy back from 2005 and have him answer this for you :D
LOL...I just caught that.
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Hmmm....how do you get it? They might use 4 times as much as you, so how would you and three of your bros get it? I bet only your absolute cream of the crop do anything different than we do. Your Cutlers and Colemans might be picking up as much as they can from a rejuvenation clinic, but I bet even they get their tren, masteron, and other such drugs the same way we do.
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Hmmm....how do you get it? They might use 4 times as much as you, so how would you and three of your bros get it? I bet only your absolute cream of the crop do anything different than we do. Your Cutlers and Colemans might be picking up as much as they can from a rejuvenation clinic, but I bet even they get their tren, masteron, and other such drugs the same way we do.
ExacTly...people want to mystify what the pros take, and how they get it. As If there its a secret source only they know about, and secret drugs too. Sorry.....they take the same stuff we do...only a lot mOre of it.
The reason little twinks make it so mysterious..is they need a way to rationalize why they look like nothingwhen they take a cycle...but someone else blows up
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Listen to Groink. He knows everything about them roids, used narcotics heavily, but was too moral to touch them roids until a little while back when he took 0.5 mg tren every third week to be 238 lbs at 8%
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Listen to Groink. He knows everything about them roids, used narcotics heavily, but was too moral to touch them roids until a little while back when he took 0.5 mg tren every third week to be 238 lbs at 8%
Hahaha, are you suggesting that groink is one of few men who can truly understand what it feels like to be a racehorse, sev?
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Everyone knows that the pros are 100% natural.The IFBB has a strict zero tolerance drug policy,therefore,it is foolish to think that the pros would risk being caught.After all,they ARE drug tested.
Strong fail
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Some, a lot get it from shady Florida doctors. Others straight from some of the dealers we all know and love. Others make the pilgramage to Mexico frequently. At least they did in the good old days
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Hahaha, are you suggesting that groink is one of few men who can truly understand what it feels like to be a racehorse, sev?
I am saying that trenbolone acetate was synthesized after his birth to level the playing field in the equestrian world.
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HULK HOGAN said in court, that he would go into the office at wwf and pick up his Pay check and his Stack of Roids for the month...... Im sure IFBB pros do the same with their Supplement Sponsors
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Listen to Groink. He knows everything about them roids, used narcotics heavily, but was too moral to touch them roids until a little while back when he took 0.5 mg tren every third week to be 238 lbs at 8%
Sev still having a hard time coping I see.
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I mean, do they get someone else to pick it up for them?....do they have doctors prescribe the majority of the 'legal' stuff? Do they buy it themselves? You'd think that would be risky to say the least, yet you need what you need, right?....hell, Cormier could stop blaming pancakes and jam for his lackluster conditioning and just say the truth..."Damn, yo, I couldn't score the right shit for this contest. Sorry."
I wonder. Anybody have any ideas? Pancakes?
Hypothetically....once the semen dries, with their schmoe money.
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Sev still having a hard time coping I see.
coping .. a word used by addicts for addicts
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Let's call this guy back from 2005 and have him answer this for you :D
You rang?
Holy thread necro, Batman.
Groink, my question back then (not that I give a flying fuck about it now) was not about mysteries or anything like that. The easy answer is yes, a dealer. But what if your dealer fucks up? What if you can't get the right shit? What if you're travelling around the country or overseas, how do you get it then?...have connections in other countries? It just seems a lot of work and a lot left to flakey drug dealers.
Chris Cormier was blaming his conditioning for a certain show (maybe the Aussie Pro?) due to fucking PANCAKES. Yep, pancakes ruined his last minute prep. I was thinking, "Hmmmm...pancakes?...or how about my connection with some last minute (insert prep drug here)?" That's what I was getting at.
With Flex Wheeler talking about all those crazy site injection drugs solely to put finishing touches on a muscle (his calves, in that case), it just seemed strange to me that being able to score the right sauce in the right amounts would be 'easy'. I can't imagine the fucking hassle it would be to get the various drugs in the amounts that pros use...so when I hear about Victor Martinez (somebody who can't figure out a visa application) fucking up his last minute prep, I'm sure that the quality of his drugs would have a lot to do with it.
You hear all sorts of excuses: pancakes, stress, flu bugs...but you never hear, "Fuck bro, I couldn't find any fucking diurectic at the last minute" which is completely believeable: these are illegal drugs, and it's not like most pros have a shitload of money lying around to be able to afford them (the same ones who won't compete without a supplement sponsor, no less).
I can't say I got my answer then, but I can tell you I don't give a fuck now. Seven years later and bodybuilding is no better now than it was then, even with Heath at the top of the heap. Drugs ARE bodybuilding...even though I might not have admitted it to myself then, it's more true today than ever.
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Some, a lot get it from shady Florida doctors. Others straight from some of the dealers we all know and love. Others make the pilgramage to Mexico frequently. At least they did in the good old days
It seems to me unlikely that even bodybuilders are stupid enough to jeopardize jail for a looooooong time just to smuggle drugs across the border. But I could be wrong.
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...to be honest, I ain't talking how much or any of that. I just wonder how they go about getting it, from who, that kinda thing. Or is there some system the pro's use through an agency which does....at any rate, it seems like a big hassle that could have repercussions.
I don't expect any pros to answer, and those who do use, you can use hypothetical situations.
Hi DEA Agent
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i dont know any better that the pros are natural
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i dont know any better that the pros are natural
I'm sorry but taking animal pak, creatine and whey is not natural mars! these 'pro's' are experiments!!!!
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.... to tell you the truth, I can't even believe what I'm reading here. It sounds like a group of 7th graders posing this question...are you fucking idiots that fucking stupid??? Oh my god. newsflash cocksucks: the only 'roids available from a doctor are test cyp, anavar/anadrol/halotestin(now called 'androxy')/testim so, obviously, they get shit from outside the USA and from dealers. as though a doctor would even RX them in the doses they would need, anyway...fucking retarded assholes...you're all a buck o'5, soaking wet, don't even train...and dream all night about sucking thug cock!!! BOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!
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.... to tell you the truth, I can't even believe what I'm reading here. It sounds like a group of 7th graders posing this question...are you fucking idiots that fucking stupid??? Oh my god. newsflash cocksucks: the only 'roids available from a doctor are test cyp, anavar/anadrol/halotestin(now called 'androxy')/testim so, obviously, they get shit from outside the USA and from dealers. as though a doctor would even RX them in the doses they would need, anyway...fucking retarded assholes...you're all a buck o'5, soaking wet, don't even train...and dream all night about sucking thug cock!!! BOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!
Your mom's looking great as usual littlegayblue
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.... to tell you the truth, I can't even believe what I'm reading here. It sounds like a group of 7th graders posing this question...are you fucking idiots that fucking stupid??? Oh my god. newsflash cocksucks: the only 'roids available from a doctor are test cyp, anavar/anadrol/halotestin(now called 'androxy')/testim so, obviously, they get shit from outside the USA and from dealers. as though a doctor would even RX them in the doses they would need, anyway...fucking retarded assholes...you're all a buck o'5, soaking wet, don't even train...and dream all night about sucking thug cock!!! BOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!
....to tell you the truth, go fuck yourself and your penis-pumping jackhammer of a father who obviously should have worn a condom the night he broke into the funny farm, fucked your swine of a mother who, nine tortuous months later, shat your miserable being into a dumpster the night a wandering band of lecherous child-molesters smelled out your location, raped and raised you to become the absolute nothing you are today.
THAT IS ALL, FUCKBALLS! EAT A BOWL OF FUCK! ;D
(no but seriously sit down nicely at the table and eat an extra large bowl of fuck you miserable smega-sucking shiteater)
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....to tell you the truth, go fuck yourself and your penis-pumping jackhammer of a father who obviously should have worn a condom the night he broke into the funny farm, fucked your swine of a mother who nine tortuous months later shat your miserable being into a dumpster the night a wandering band of lecherous child-molesters raped and raised you to become the absolute nothing you are today.
THAT IS ALL, FUCKBALLS! EAT A BOWL OF FUCK! ;D
(no but seriously sit down nicely at the table and eat an extra large bowl of fuck your miserable smega-sucking shiteater)
Laughed for 15 minutes straight after reading this.
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i can totally believe cormier on the pancake deal,most pros when not in shape for a show is because of water retention or not filling out properly,on the water side sometimes that can be drugs,some guys can take high amounts of test right up to the show and not hold any water others blow up on 200mgs,food or stress is usually the culprit.
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so you think jam and pancakes cant mess up your conditioning if eaten pre contest?
a case of true adonis beliefs before he claimed them, interesting.
you realy think when a pro comes to a show soft and smooth it must be bad drugs he had?
I think that it's far more than likely that if a guy like Chris Cormier shows up smooth it would have far more to do with being able to score the right diurectics (and use them properly) than it would a few friggin' pancakes. I'd much rather believe if Cormier said, "Shit, I fucked up those last few shots of diurectic XX" than the company line "I was flat because of some pancakes I ate for breakfast".
I guess that's the good side of the pro's not giving credit to drugs; you almost never hear them BLAME the drugs if they don't win, either. But they will blame pancakes, cake icing, ninjas...just about anything else. Which is what lead me to ask about how they'd score drugs. If Cormier's dealer couldn't come through with the goods at the last minute, then that would be a reasonable 'excuse'. But pancakes? Come on.
Although I haven't heard the pancake excuse ever since. Maybe just a bad batch of pancakes.
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Although I haven't heard the pancake excuse ever since. Maybe just a bad batch of pancakes.
Nope, never heard of a bodybuilder using pancakes as the excuse but it was invoked by one of my LA Kings earlier this year...http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7464177/la-kings-dustin-penner-owns-pancake-injury (http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7464177/la-kings-dustin-penner-owns-pancake-injury)
You just need to know that pros have numerous avenues available to get their supplies and there really aren't a lot of esoteric compounds that they're using, just high doses, so this thread is pretty much a non-starter. Phil Heath running out of tren or GH is about as likely as Willie Nelson needing to hustle a few street corners in order to score some chronic.
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Phil Heath running out of tren or GH is about as likely as Willie Nelson needing to hustle a few street corners in order to score some chronic.
^
:D
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I mean, do they get someone else to pick it up for them?....do they have doctors prescribe the majority of the 'legal' stuff? Do they buy it themselves? You'd think that would be risky to say the least, yet you need what you need, right?....hell, Cormier could stop blaming pancakes and jam for his lackluster conditioning and just say the truth..."Damn, yo, I couldn't score the right shit for this contest. Sorry."
I wonder. Anybody have any ideas? Pancakes?
probably from a friend of a friend's friend.