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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday told officials in his hometown in Austria to remove his name from a sports stadium and stop using his identity to promote the city.
With officials in his Austrian homeland poised to strip his name from the local soccer stadium, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger sought to beat them to it Monday, sending an indignant letter demanding that his name be removed by year's end.
Politicians in the city of Graz had begun a petition drive to rename the stadium following Schwarzenegger's decision to allow the execution last week of Stanley Tookie Williams. The governor's refusal to grant clemency to the convicted murderer of four sparked outrage across Europe and revived an on-again, off-again effort in Graz to drop his name from the stadium.
In his letter, Schwarzenegger said he had heard that the Graz City Council planned to order his name removed on Jan. 19. The stadium, which seats 15,400, has carried Schwarzenegger's name since 1997.
Schwarzenegger also wrote that he was revoking his permission for Graz to use his name in any advertising campaigns that promote the city, located 10 minutes from his hometown village of Thal.
Mentioning a separate proposal to rescind the award of a "ring of honor" that was given to him in 1999, Schwarzenegger said in the letter that he does not want the ring any more and had sent it back.
"Since … the official Graz appears to no longer accept me as one of their own, this ring has lost its meaning and value to me," Schwarzenegger wrote. "It is already in the mail."
Schwarzenegger's letter suggests that more executions may be coming. Another death row inmate, Clarence Ray Allen, 75, is scheduled to die by lethal injection Jan. 17.
"In all likelihood, during my term as governor I will have to make similar and equally difficult decisions," he wrote. "In order to spare the responsible politicians of the city of Graz further concern, I withdraw from them as of this day the right to use my name in association with the … stadium. You will receive related correspondence from my legal counsel shortly."
Schwarzenegger wrote the letter himself in German. It was faxed Monday to Graz Mayor Siegfried Nagl, who could not be reached for comment. The letter was translated into English by a press aide to the governor, Katherine McLane.
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Instead of using Arnolds name ,,maybe they can use that ex bodybuilder's name who was on Son of the Beach
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday told officials in his hometown in Austria to remove his name from a sports stadium and stop using his identity to promote the city.
With officials in his Austrian homeland poised to strip his name from the local soccer stadium, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger sought to beat them to it Monday, sending an indignant letter demanding that his name be removed by year's end.
Politicians in the city of Graz had begun a petition drive to rename the stadium following Schwarzenegger's decision to allow the execution last week of Stanley Tookie Williams. The governor's refusal to grant clemency to the convicted murderer of four sparked outrage across Europe and revived an on-again, off-again effort in Graz to drop his name from the stadium.
In his letter, Schwarzenegger said he had heard that the Graz City Council planned to order his name removed on Jan. 19. The stadium, which seats 15,400, has carried Schwarzenegger's name since 1997.
Schwarzenegger also wrote that he was revoking his permission for Graz to use his name in any advertising campaigns that promote the city, located 10 minutes from his hometown village of Thal.
Mentioning a separate proposal to rescind the award of a "ring of honor" that was given to him in 1999, Schwarzenegger said in the letter that he does not want the ring any more and had sent it back.
"Since … the official Graz appears to no longer accept me as one of their own, this ring has lost its meaning and value to me," Schwarzenegger wrote. "It is already in the mail."
Schwarzenegger's letter suggests that more executions may be coming. Another death row inmate, Clarence Ray Allen, 75, is scheduled to die by lethal injection Jan. 17.
"In all likelihood, during my term as governor I will have to make similar and equally difficult decisions," he wrote. "In order to spare the responsible politicians of the city of Graz further concern, I withdraw from them as of this day the right to use my name in association with the … stadium. You will receive related correspondence from my legal counsel shortly."
Schwarzenegger wrote the letter himself in German. It was faxed Monday to Graz Mayor Siegfried Nagl, who could not be reached for comment. The letter was translated into English by a press aide to the governor, Katherine McLane.
Man, what is going on here with Arnold. :-\
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Its simple whats going on with Arnold
He's making (correct) decisions and as usual there are downfalls to such decisions.
And in true terminator form he has turned the tables on the bitches.
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Instead of using Arnolds name ,,maybe they can use that ex bodybuilder's name who was on Son of the Beach
Roland Kickinger.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday told officials in his hometown in Austria to remove his name from a sports stadium and stop using his identity to promote the city.
With officials in his Austrian homeland poised to strip his name from the local soccer stadium, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger sought to beat them to it Monday, sending an indignant letter demanding that his name be removed by year's end.
Politicians in the city of Graz had begun a petition drive to rename the stadium following Schwarzenegger's decision to allow the execution last week of Stanley Tookie Williams. The governor's refusal to grant clemency to the convicted murderer of four sparked outrage across Europe and revived an on-again, off-again effort in Graz to drop his name from the stadium.
In his letter, Schwarzenegger said he had heard that the Graz City Council planned to order his name removed on Jan. 19. The stadium, which seats 15,400, has carried Schwarzenegger's name since 1997.
Schwarzenegger also wrote that he was revoking his permission for Graz to use his name in any advertising campaigns that promote the city, located 10 minutes from his hometown village of Thal.
Mentioning a separate proposal to rescind the award of a "ring of honor" that was given to him in 1999, Schwarzenegger said in the letter that he does not want the ring any more and had sent it back.
"Since … the official Graz appears to no longer accept me as one of their own, this ring has lost its meaning and value to me," Schwarzenegger wrote. "It is already in the mail."
Schwarzenegger's letter suggests that more executions may be coming. Another death row inmate, Clarence Ray Allen, 75, is scheduled to die by lethal injection Jan. 17.
"In all likelihood, during my term as governor I will have to make similar and equally difficult decisions," he wrote. "In order to spare the responsible politicians of the city of Graz further concern, I withdraw from them as of this day the right to use my name in association with the … stadium. You will receive related correspondence from my legal counsel shortly."
Schwarzenegger wrote the letter himself in German. It was faxed Monday to Graz Mayor Siegfried Nagl, who could not be reached for comment. The letter was translated into English by a press aide to the governor, Katherine McLane.
and for the icing on the cake:
he is mailing back the ring the city gave him...
my advice: dont piss this guy off
>:(
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who is tookie wearing a suit ?
lol i meant why is he wearing a suit?
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who is tookie wearing a suit ?
Yes.
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Hard to blame Arnold, the stadium name should have some degree of permanence to have meaning. Withdrawing the name shouldn't be contingent on politics.
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who cares
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As if Arnold want anything to do with that stadium
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Instead of using Arnolds name ,,maybe they can use that ex bodybuilder's name who was on Son of the Beach
Roland? I'm sure he is just as famous... ;)
Lisa
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Waldheim Stadium has a nice ring to it.
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Andreas Münzer would be great. He was also from Styria
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Why do they care that the founder of one of the most ruthless gangs in this country got executed? I'm sick of hearing about Tookie in my own country let alone hearing about how some bumblefuck Austrian town is disowning Arnold because of him.
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did yugo to the tookie memorial service ?
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I´m sure you know a lot about Graz and Austria. ::)
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I find it odd that the city would be so vocal about this. The Gov. probably knew he'd have to make tough decisions but these matters of life and death are something you don't count on. Are you sure this is true?...it just seems odd. It wasn't Arnie who tried and convicted this man, nor did he execute him. That's what the legal system is for, and for them to think of him as some Pontius Pilate to save Tookie's life is very small minded and wrong in my opinion.
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I find it odd that the city would be so vocal about this. The Gov. probably knew he'd have to make tough decisions but these matters of life and death are something you don't count on. Are you sure this is true?...it just seems odd. It wasn't Arnie who tried and convicted this man, nor did he execute him. That's what the legal system is for, and for them to think of him as some Pontius Pilate to save Tookie's life is very small minded and wrong in my opinion.
Exactly.
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I`m from Austria and in my opinion it`s none of our business. But probably in Austria we have no other problems than the name of a stadium.
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I find it odd that the city would be so vocal about this. The Gov. probably knew he'd have to make tough decisions but these matters of life and death are something you don't count on. Are you sure this is true?...it just seems odd. It wasn't Arnie who tried and convicted this man, nor did he execute him. That's what the legal system is for, and for them to think of him as some Pontius Pilate to save Tookie's life is very small minded and wrong in my opinion.
You seem not to realize that most Europeans are adamantly against the death penalty, as am I. No European countries have the death penalty in the year 2005.
F**k Arnold. He isn't wanted in his home country no mo'. >:(
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Europe practiced the death penalty enough in the past it is about time they take some time off
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I think it's great.
Both that they took a stand against him, and that he himself showed that he doesn't want anything to do with Graz in the future.
These politicians of Graz for once showed some balls, took the consequences of their political beliefs.
And so did Arnold.
YIP
Zack
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Europe practiced the death penalty enough in the past it is about time they take some time off
This is true. Europe knows well the consequences of state-sponsored murder run amok.
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I think it's great.
Both that they took a stand against him, and that he himself showed that he doesn't want anything to do with Graz in the future.
These politicians of Graz for once showed some balls, took the consequences of their political beliefs.
And so did Arnold.
YIP
Zack
....but why should the politicians of Graz decide that it's greatest hero's name be removed from a stadium? What do the people have to say? Arnold is not the reason Tookie is dead, Tookie is (was)...to blame Arnold for this is a slap in the face to the man who made the name 'Graz' known around the world. What a shame.
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....but why should the politicians of Graz decide that it's greatest hero's name be removed from a stadium? What do the people have to say? Arnold is not the reason Tookie is dead, Tookie is (was)...to blame Arnold for this is a slap in the face to the man who made the name 'Graz' known around the world. What a shame.
F**k Arnold.
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....but why should the politicians of Graz decide that it's greatest hero's name be removed from a stadium? What do the people have to say? Arnold is not the reason Tookie is dead, Tookie is (was)...to blame Arnold for this is a slap in the face to the man who made the name 'Graz' known around the world. What a shame.
These politicians are elected. The people vote them into office on election day, that is why it's important that as many people as possible vote - to get a fair representation of the people's voice.
If these elected officials make the call that the actions of Arnold makes him not worthy of having a stadium in his name, then they should of course make moves to remove his name.
These politicians are obviously against death penalty. And if they are, then it is obviously extremely wrong from THEIR POINT OF VIEW, when Arnold, who had the chance of saving Tookie's life, didn't do so.
If Arnold wrote that letter to beat the Graz politicians in some tactical race, then I think he's a piece of shit. I hate political tactics.
But if he just acted on political beliefs, then I think it's all good.
I have a feeling we will see what the motives were in the coming weeks.
YIP
Zack
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You and I both know democracy isn't one sided. You mean to tell me over 75% of the people in Graz agree with what their politicians say and do? Please. I bet if you ask the everyday person there what they think of Arnie's name being removed they'd tell you "Why?...what?"...the politicians are obviously using this to promote their own ideals and agendas.
Arnold isn't responsible for this. We could argue the finer points all day but really, what's the point, I guess we don't agree. Fair enough. I don't agree with capital punishment either but then again my parents haven't been bloodily murdered....it's funny how quick people change their minds.
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You and I both know democracy isn't one sided. You mean to tell me over 75% of the people in Graz agree with what their politicians say and do? Please. I bet if you ask the everyday person there what they think of Arnie's name being removed they'd tell you "Why?...what?"...the politicians are obviously using this to promote their own ideals and agendas.
Arnold isn't responsible for this. We could argue the finer points all day but really, what's the point, I guess we don't agree. Fair enough. I don't agree with capital punishment either but then again my parents haven't been bloodily murdered....it's funny how quick people change their minds.
No. I never said over 75% of the people in Graz agreed with the political majority. Not even extremely popular leaders like Mandela, Evo Morales or Vaclav Havel got that support in their first election.
But they are the political majority of Graz. And thus, they have the mandates to make such a decision.
YIP
Zack
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No. I never said over 75% of the people in Graz agreed with the political majority. Not even extremely popular leaders like Mandela, Evo Morales or Vaclav Havel got that support in their first election.
But they are the political majority of Graz. And thus, they have the mandates to make such a decision.
YIP
Zack
...which confirms to me that it's political morons who are behind removing the name of the Greatest Grazian from a stadium, not 'the people', which I call bullshit. But perhaps it's better this way, I mean, I'm sure they've got plenty of more deserving champion/actor/multi-millionaire/american governor locals to name it after....idiots!
Whatever. The 'people' have spoken.
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Simple, Arnold doesnt take any shit. He really told Graz where to go..lol..they are probably shittin their pants.
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Simple, Arnold doesnt take any shit. He really told Graz where to go..lol..they are probably shittin their pants.
concur.
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The mayor of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian hometown on Tuesday begged the California governor to reconsider his decision to cut ties to the city after locals assailed him for his death penalty stance.
Siegfried Nagl, mayor of the southern city of Graz, said he wrote Schwarzenegger pleading with him not to return a ring of honor bestowed on him by officials in his birthplace in 1999 and reassuring him that most residents still admire him."I hope that very soon we'll hear you say, 'I'll be back,'" Nagl told the actor-turned-politician, one of Austria's most famous sons.
On Monday, Schwarzenegger caused a stir by turning the tables on Austrians who criticized the governor's refusal to block the executions of convicted killers. He sent Graz officials a letter asking them to remove his name from a soccer stadium and stop using it to promote the city, and said he was giving back the ring because it "has lost its meaning and value to me."
His demands effectively pre-empted a drive launched by opponents in Austria who already were gathering signatures on a petition calling for the 15,300-seat arena in Graz, about 120 miles south of Vienna, to be renamed.
"Graz will not have problems in the future with my decisions as governor of California, because officially nothing connects us any more," Schwarzenegger told the daily Kronen Zeitung in an interview for Tuesday's editions. "The death penalty is law here, and I have to uphold the law of the land and the will of the people," Schwarzenegger was quoted as saying, adding that he still considered himself "Austrian with all my heart."
Nagl told Austrian television he hoped to persuade Schwarzenegger. At a minimum, he said, he hoped to persuade Schwarzenegger to keep the ring - though he conceded he did not expect to succeed. "Those who know him realize he sticks to his opinions," he said. "The chances are not good. I regret this deeply, but I understand."
Kurt Flecker, a local official with the opposition Social Democrats, said Schwarzenegger damaged his own image - not Graz's - by refusing to spare Williams' life. There is no point, he said, in "glorifying anyone who supports the death penalty."
But Hermann Schuetzenhoefer, a tourism adviser in the province of Styria where Graz is located, said Tuesday he also wrote a letter to Schwarzenegger expressing regret "that some politicians who proudly bore your name a few years ago are dragging it through the dirt now."
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....exactly. Some few politicians making asses of themselves and essentially ruining relations between Arnold and the people of Graz on behalf of their 'beliefs'...thanks politicians!...I'm sure the business owners in Graz are happy as well! Absolute stupidity.
I see that as soon as the current morons are out of office the new guard will right this wrong...that is, if they're smart.
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what a bunch of douchebags, when did they become such pussies?
its not like arnold personally killed an innocent person, he simply didnt intervene in the execution of a multiple murderer.
maybe instead we should have shipped their beloved tookie over to austria with the instructions to shoot store workers with a shotgun.
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He's lucky they telegraphed their intentions and gave him time to do this.
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I wonder how much the tax payers paid for that piece of refuges funeral.
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who is tookie wearing a suit ?
lol i meant why is he wearing a suit?
He's dead in a fucking coffin at his own funeral attended by friends, supporters, and family. What--U want him to be in his the same prison jump suit he had on when executed?? Holla at his family about that.
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Sadly for Austria: Austria needs Schwarzenegger, but Schwarzenegger doesn`t need Austria.
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Exactly... this was a brilliant move. Now, instead of having to deal with incessant controversy over this that makes him look weak, he ended the debate and the controversy permanently by saying "f**k you" to the Socialist whiners over in Graz.
Socialist whiners.
What do you mean? Socialism isn't the political system in Austria. Austria is a democracy.
YIP
Zack
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Socialist whiners.
What do you mean? Socialism isn't the political system in Austria. Austria is a democracy.
YIP
Zack
Dummbass he's talking about a social market economy - the middle ground of socialism and capitolism which was adopted by most northern and western european countries during the cold war - common knowlege. And there is a such thing as a social democracy ::)
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