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Title: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: doriancutlerman on April 23, 2013, 02:28:55 PM
Everybody's done Layne Norton and obvious fakes like Skip Lacour and Ade Rai and to death.  (Half-hearted apologies if I got his name wrong.  I see a name like that and I just think Sagat from Street Fighter II, or his apprentice Adon from SFI and the Alpha series.)

What about all of those Youtube personalities that claim natty status?  One fella, Kevin Fasard, has some of the best arms and delts I've ever seen on a supposed natural.  His wheels are really good, too, especially considering how lean this cat is year-round.  To his credit, I will say he's less impressive onstage, and he doesn't have the crazy torso thickness one might expect of a user who trains as hard as he does.  But just walking around the gym, when was the last time you saw a lifetime natty who had his size AND leanness?  I've seen plenty of fairly fat, very big and strong naturals, but they're the type who are True Adam Abeles before waking to the truth:  fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 

But I like Kevin, so let's pick on someone I don't:  Scooby12345XYZ, the weird guy who wears a fucked-up fishing hat and walks around an AIRPORT shirtless.

This man is supposed to be in his early 50s.  What possesses someone that age to strut around a fucking airport, especially in this day and age (hey, look, it's some crazy man without a shirt -- bet he's got a BOMB!)?  In fairness to this guy, he looks good, too.  He's lean and has large pecs.  But natural?  Eh ...

I'm sure there is someone that puts these guys to shame, but I can't think of him at the moment.  All I know is that the people who protest most loudly also tend to be the most guilty of that which they are accused.  Wanna know the reason?

The late, great George Carlin put it best:  "Because people are fucking DUMB!" 

Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BikiniSlut on April 23, 2013, 02:31:06 PM
Dana Lynn Bailey.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Psychopath on April 23, 2013, 02:36:39 PM
Dana Lynn Bailey.


You couldn't help yourself but feel jealous, haha.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 23, 2013, 02:52:17 PM
Saw topic, thought Mike O'Hearn. Great physique though.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: geneticmarvel on April 23, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
Saw topic, thought Mike O'Hearn. Great physique though.

And thats all he can attain even with ped's? Very mild and sporadic user if anything...
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: THE BOUNCER on April 23, 2013, 02:58:22 PM
Dana Lynn Bailey.
One would think she could get those legs in better shape. Upper body looks great though.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BikiniSlut on April 23, 2013, 03:00:16 PM

You couldn't help yourself but feel jealous, haha.

Of what? ???
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BikiniSlut on April 23, 2013, 03:00:51 PM
Saw topic, thought Mike O'Hearn. Great physique though.

I think he is natural.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 23, 2013, 03:02:32 PM
I think he is natural.

Not sure if trolling.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: mwbbuilder on April 23, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Everybody's done Layne Norton and obvious fakes like Skip Lacour and Ade Rai and to death.  (Half-hearted apologies if I got his name wrong.  I see a name like that and I just think Sagat from Street Fighter II, or his apprentice Adon from SFI and the Alpha series.)

What about all of those Youtube personalities that claim natty status?  One fella, Kevin Fasard, has some of the best arms and delts I've ever seen on a supposed natural.  His wheels are really good, too, especially considering how lean this cat is year-round.  To his credit, I will say he's less impressive onstage, and he doesn't have the crazy torso thickness one might expect of a user who trains as hard as he does.  But just walking around the gym, when was the last time you saw a lifetime natty who had his size AND leanness?  I've seen plenty of fairly fat, very big and strong naturals, but they're the type who are True Adam Abeles before waking to the truth:  fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 

But I like Kevin, so let's pick on someone I don't:  Scooby12345XYZ, the weird guy who wears a fucked-up fishing hat and walks around an AIRPORT shirtless.

This man is supposed to be in his early 50s.  What possesses someone that age to strut around a fucking airport, especially in this day and age (hey, look, it's some crazy man without a shirt -- bet he's got a BOMB!)?  In fairness to this guy, he looks good, too.  He's lean and has large pecs.  But natural?  Eh ...

I'm sure there is someone that puts these guys to shame, but I can't think of him at the moment.  All I know is that the people who protest most loudly also tend to be the most guilty of that which they are accused.  Wanna know the reason?

The late, great George Carlin put it best:  "Because people are fucking DUMB!" 



You can never get back the time and energy that it took write that out.  ::)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BikiniSlut on April 23, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
Ironic that O'Hearn claims natural but his face is more plastic than a Barbie dolls.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: The_Judge on April 23, 2013, 03:56:35 PM
Ironic that O'Hearn claims natural but his face is more plastic than a Barbie dolls.
who's Mike O'Hearn?
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Method101 on April 23, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
A lot of the youtube fags like Matt Ogus should be on the list.

Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Nails on April 23, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
 LOL Natural   ::)

As Natural as Rich Piana's Arms




(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=432372.0;attach=478413;image)


(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/4/34b7f_ORIG-6plates.jpg)

(http://jean-pierre.proudhon.pagesperso-orange.fr/f_proudh/ohearn.jpg)


(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/mohi.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Bevo on April 23, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
A lot of the youtube fags like Matt Ogus should be on the list.




Yep and add his friend hanhchampion to that list as well those YouTube guys are a trip

Kiyoshi moody
Adrian
Chris faildo

Those never get old and also Tito Raymond
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: bodyofsteel on April 23, 2013, 04:22:28 PM
We need gh15 to deliver a savage owning to these lying buffoons. ;D
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Nails on April 23, 2013, 04:24:23 PM
We need gh15 to deliver a savage owning to these lying buffoons. ;D


WHO  ??? ???
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: calfzilla on April 23, 2013, 04:26:17 PM
Skip Liecour
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Parker on April 23, 2013, 04:32:48 PM
(http://extremebodyfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/WilliamsUlissesJr.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Nails on April 23, 2013, 04:34:38 PM
(http://wnst.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/raylewis6.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Parker on April 23, 2013, 04:37:02 PM
(http://wnst.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/raylewis6.jpg)
deer antler velvet.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 23, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Musclecenter.........

 ::)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BikiniSlut on April 23, 2013, 04:40:51 PM
Musclecenter.........

 ::)

Musclecenter claims natty? ???
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Nails on April 23, 2013, 04:41:18 PM
Ironic that O'Hearn claims natural but his face is more plastic than a Barbie dolls.


(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_00301.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: arce1988 on April 23, 2013, 04:41:21 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Depo-testosterone_200_mg_ml_crop.jpg/220px-Depo-testosterone_200_mg_ml_crop.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on April 23, 2013, 04:43:30 PM
Musclecenter claims natty? ???

Lifetime Natty...... ::)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: arce1988 on April 23, 2013, 04:46:28 PM
(http://www.anabolex.com/gallery/data/516/serostim-box-bottles.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BDsauce on April 23, 2013, 04:57:55 PM
J-Rod
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Parker on April 23, 2013, 04:59:38 PM
Kim Kardashian...
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Nails on April 23, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
 
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: arce1988 on April 23, 2013, 05:07:29 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Depo-testosterone_200_mg_ml_crop.jpg/220px-Depo-testosterone_200_mg_ml_crop.jpg)
(http://www.anabolex.com/gallery/data/516/serostim-box-bottles.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: The True Adonis on April 23, 2013, 05:26:31 PM
A lot of the youtube fags like Matt Ogus should be on the list.


He is in the 160s in these newest videos.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 23, 2013, 05:29:53 PM
Everybody's done Layne Norton and obvious fakes like Skip Lacour and Ade Rai and to death.  (Half-hearted apologies if I got his name wrong.  I see a name like that and I just think Sagat from Street Fighter II, or his apprentice Adon from SFI and the Alpha series.)

What about all of those Youtube personalities that claim natty status?  One fella, Kevin Fasard, has some of the best arms and delts I've ever seen on a supposed natural.  His wheels are really good, too, especially considering how lean this cat is year-round.  To his credit, I will say he's less impressive onstage, and he doesn't have the crazy torso thickness one might expect of a user who trains as hard as he does.  But just walking around the gym, when was the last time you saw a lifetime natty who had his size AND leanness?  I've seen plenty of fairly fat, very big and strong naturals, but they're the type who are True Adam Abeles before waking to the truth:  fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 

But I like Kevin, so let's pick on someone I don't:  Scooby12345XYZ, the weird guy who wears a fucked-up fishing hat and walks around an AIRPORT shirtless.

This man is supposed to be in his early 50s.  What possesses someone that age to strut around a fucking airport, especially in this day and age (hey, look, it's some crazy man without a shirt -- bet he's got a BOMB!)?  In fairness to this guy, he looks good, too.  He's lean and has large pecs.  But natural?  Eh ...

I'm sure there is someone that puts these guys to shame, but I can't think of him at the moment.  All I know is that the people who protest most loudly also tend to be the most guilty of that which they are accused.  Wanna know the reason?

The late, great George Carlin put it best:  "Because people are fucking DUMB!" 




Got any proof that Layne is juicing, Mr Helper???....just curious because it seems as though you and others are saying it but are not backing up anything with it.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BB on April 23, 2013, 05:37:32 PM
Skip Liecour

That's it, you're off the Manformation mailing list .

http://manformation.com/ .

It's one of the most unintentionally hilarious direct marketing pitches around.   
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 23, 2013, 05:58:06 PM

(http://npcnewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_00301.jpg)


This is straight creepy.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: calfzilla on April 23, 2013, 05:59:07 PM
Can you imagine the betas who buy that manformation crap.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 23, 2013, 06:04:13 PM
The guy behind him looks a thousand times better even with his Dumb and Dumber haircut. Guys are allowed to age, in fact we do it fairly well the majority of the time.


Well, besides needing to get a script to get the same hormone levels we had at 25.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: OTHstrong on April 23, 2013, 06:25:45 PM
We need gh15 to deliver a savage owning to these lying buffoons. ;D
??? So let me get this straight, we need the biggest liar on the planet to own other liars, lmao, OK there, great idea.  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: geneticmarvel on April 23, 2013, 06:29:21 PM
Ironic that O'Hearn claims natural but his face is more plastic than a Barbie dolls.

he dudnt have that bloated loose skin face like other abusers his age, still got tight skin
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: bodyofsteel on April 23, 2013, 06:35:46 PM
??? So let me get this straight, we need the biggest liar on the planet to own other liars, lmao, OK there, great idea.  ;)
Aww there there, it's ok, I know you were heartbroken to learn your natural idol was really shooting up juice like a junkie. ;D
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: OTHstrong on April 23, 2013, 06:39:45 PM
Aww there there, it's ok, I know you were heartbroken to learn your natural idol was really shooting up juice like a junkie. ;D
good come back, excellent :), do yo believe gh15 is a pro? do you believe kigs are better then human grade? well well who is the naive one here, oh BTW of course these "naturals are juiced to the gills" who the fuck doesn't know this? did you just find this out?
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: bodyofsteel on April 23, 2013, 06:41:47 PM
I believe he owned a lot of deluded "all naturals" and bad dealers. ;D
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: cswol on April 23, 2013, 06:44:55 PM
ohearns favorite is sostenon 250
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: OTHstrong on April 23, 2013, 06:47:11 PM
I believe he owned a lot of deluded "all naturals" and bad dealers. ;D
true, no denying that, but to bad he could not take a picture of his pro card cause he does not own one.  8)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TigerStripes on April 23, 2013, 07:00:37 PM
Mr. Huang the Taiwanese hormone addict.

I can't claim him though. In Taiwan they probably lock you up for decades you get busted.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: cswol on April 23, 2013, 07:33:28 PM
tommyboy you realize the guy behind ohearn in the pic with the lady is roland kickenger, played arnold in the biopic of him
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: doriancutlerman on April 24, 2013, 08:50:28 AM

Got any proof that Layne is juicing, Mr Helper???....just curious because it seems as though you and others are saying it but are not backing up anything with it.

Who's Mr. Helper?

I have no proof Layne's juicing.  I never actually said that he was -- just that lots of people have already talked about him using.  But I don't recall anyone on here talking about Fasard, Scooby et al.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: doriancutlerman on April 24, 2013, 08:53:17 AM
You can never get back the time and energy that it took write that out.  ::)

True.

Thankfully it only took about two, maybe three minutes to type and I ate a good pre-posting meal of rinsed beef and waxy maize to be sure I wouldn't go catabolic expending all that "energy" at once :D
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: oldtimer1 on April 24, 2013, 09:56:30 AM
The reason they can get away with lying is because of pictures. When they are juicing they have pictures in the magazines and internet. When off they don't take pictures and no ones knows.

Every once in awhile a current off cycle picture gets out and it's shocking how ordinary some of these guys look. I know no one can stay in perfect shape year round but the drastic ups and downs of drug users is common knowledge.

I don't know why a drug user would deny using. Is because they don't want legal trouble or is it they want all the credit for their drug induced physique. It's only the final 10% my ass. I've been around gyms to long and have seen zeros go to heros and back down again. Every knows the dirty secret of bodybuilding so why deny?
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: JBGRAY on April 24, 2013, 10:10:33 AM
C'mon Arce, share the wealth!  ;D
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: deadpan on April 24, 2013, 11:47:28 AM
i can't believe no one's mentioned this guy. he's in his 40's and has shit legs and a massive upper body. achievable with natural test levels at that age? i think not. oh and ohearn looks like he has some serious test bloat in that suit pic.

(http://www.bodybuildingsecrets.com/jim_cordova_muscular_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: arce1988 on April 24, 2013, 01:07:57 PM
  I always tell you who is on PED.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BDsauce on April 24, 2013, 01:35:50 PM
Ron Harris is a filthy liar too
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BIG ACH on April 24, 2013, 01:38:27 PM
Ron Harris is a filthy liar too

Ron Harris has admitted to using steroids many times?  He even went and said he responds like shit to them too!
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BDsauce on April 24, 2013, 01:40:57 PM
Ron Harris has admitted to using steroids many times?  He even went and said he responds like shit to them too!
He lies about everything....scumbag.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Rami on April 24, 2013, 01:45:16 PM
i can't believe no one's mentioned this guy. he's in his 40's and has shit legs and a massive upper body. achievable with natural test levels at that age? i think not. oh and ohearn looks like he has some serious test bloat in that suit pic.

(http://www.bodybuildingsecrets.com/jim_cordova_muscular_medium.jpg)

If I reached that level being life time natural I wouldn't even bother to claim natural.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BIG ACH on April 24, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
He lies about everything....scumbag.

So he has never used steroids, but telling everybody he has?  :D
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BDsauce on April 24, 2013, 01:48:51 PM
So he has never used steroids, but telling everybody he has?  :D
You lie too, you use to juice before. Harris is just a liar and fools gullible ppl...I know he's admitted to using juice.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BIG ACH on April 24, 2013, 01:54:57 PM
You lie too, you use to juice before. Harris is just a liar and fools gullible ppl...I know he's admitted to using juice.

I've never lied-look at my past posts, I've been very candid about any of my past usage of M1T and other pro-hormones!
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: OTHstrong on April 24, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
So he has never used steroids, but telling everybody he has?  :D
Come on big ach, don't play dumb, he has used selective honesty and has lied about 90% of the rest, ya he admitted to juicing but not even close to what he juices. Lee priest admited to juicing too. Come on now.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BIG ACH on April 24, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
Come on big ach, don't play dumb, he has used selective honesty and has lied about 90% of the rest, ya he admitted to juicing but not even close to what he juices. Lee priest admited to juicing too. Come on now.

Why would I admit to taking something, but not to taking something else?  Since its all the same shit to you?
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 24, 2013, 03:01:01 PM
Mike O'Hearn it's time to listen to Terry and MAN UP and come clean about your hormone abuse

Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Nails on April 24, 2013, 03:12:27 PM
There was an Interview not to long ago, in New York with some dude and Boomer Esiason , and Phil Heath said he never used steroids



(http://www.phillipheath.com/images/homephotos-left/phil-heath-mr-olympia01.png)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 24, 2013, 03:14:40 PM
Mike O'Hearn it's time to listen to Terry and MAN UP and come clean about your hormone abuse



See, I don't have a problem with gear users, or gear users that have lied once or twice when asked for good reason (John Cena). My problem is with guys who are using going so far out of their way to make natural claims. Like O'Hearn. If he only denied it when asked in interviews I would understand. It would make perfect logical sense, but he made a whole bunch of stupid videos and went out of his way proclaiming natural status. That is some hot garbage right there. The guy has/had a great physique, natural or otherwise. Why go out of your way to lie when you aren't even confronted about it? Why would any of these guys voluntarily be documented admitting to use? Now, making a video without being prompted, saying you are natural and HERE IS WHAT TO DO TO LOOK LIKE ME, then pinning how many ever ius when the video is done? That's a bit WTF.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: dj181 on April 24, 2013, 03:17:08 PM
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on April 24, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
Pat Banana
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: arce1988 on April 24, 2013, 03:21:47 PM
  Lazar is ALL PED
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: OTHstrong on April 24, 2013, 03:29:56 PM
Why would I admit to taking something, but not to taking something else?  Since its all the same shit to you?
what are you talking about??? i was talking about ron harris not you
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BIG ACH on April 24, 2013, 03:31:47 PM
what are you talking about??? i was talking about ron harris not you

oh OK, it sounded like you were accusing me like others have on here. my bad. read wrong

as the poster above you did
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: Submissionfytr on April 24, 2013, 03:35:14 PM
Skip Lacour
CT Fletcher
Jason Geneva  ;)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: dj181 on April 24, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
  Lazar is ALL PED

what about the twins?

Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: arce1988 on April 24, 2013, 03:50:07 PM
  The twins are full of shit. You really fall for shit like that? Them, Skip, etc.,   ALL Liars.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: BikiniSlut on April 24, 2013, 03:52:23 PM
The question is, who is actually natural that ISN'T lying about it?
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 24, 2013, 04:47:35 PM
what about the twins?



I'm not listening to that, but looks alone I say that is DEFINITELY achievable naturally. Their look isn't that absurd, even their arms don't have that baloon look of users with similar torso size. Backs aren't anything special either. The "three years" thing is the red flag to me.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: dj181 on April 24, 2013, 04:51:52 PM
I'm not listening to that, but looks alone I say that is DEFINITELY achievable naturally. Their look isn't that absurd, even their arms don't have that baloon look of users with similar torso size. Backs aren't anything special either. The "three years" thing is the red flag to me.

i hear that they make some good dime from their vids and website

but if you really wanna make $$$ in this industry it's best to focus on fat loss and not muscle "body-building"
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: bodyofsteel on April 24, 2013, 05:06:16 PM
The question is, who is actually natural that ISN'T lying about it?
Anyone who lived before steroids were a thing. ::)
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: deadpan on April 24, 2013, 05:12:53 PM
I'm not listening to that, but looks alone I say that is DEFINITELY achievable naturally. Their look isn't that absurd, even their arms don't have that baloon look of users with similar torso size. Backs aren't anything special either. The "three years" thing is the red flag to me.

come on dude, with veins like that? either they're juicing, or their diet consists entirely of saturated fat and salt.
Title: Re: Who's the biggest "natural" liar out there?
Post by: TommyBoy on April 25, 2013, 12:45:29 PM
come on dude, with veins like that? either they're juicing, or their diet consists entirely of saturated fat and salt.

I'm not saying they are, or are not, natural. I'm just saying they could most definitely be natural. I myself have been MUCH MUCH more vascular than that when I was in my mid-20s, not to mention I've seen dudes SMALLER and less defined with bigger bicep/delt veins.

But yeah, my diet consisted mostly of beef jerky and sushi at the time too. I miss Japan. :D