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Ordell Robbie: AK-47. The VERY best there is. When you absolutely, positively, got to kill EVERY mother fvcker in the room, accept NO substitutes.
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Did 3338888 log out of his account and into this one?
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He would be a better shot than a haji
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Huh?
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Good for under 100 yards and for reliability.... AR's better for 100-300 yards and for accuracy....over 300+ M1 Springfield is God.
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I shot one once didnt hit a damn thing, a target about 50 yards out, I'll just stay with my sawed off shotgun.
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Did the NRA gave him a free membership after this?
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Good for under 100 yards and for reliability.... AR's better for 100-300 yards and for accuracy....over 300+ M1 Springfield is God.
Wow, you know your weapons. The reliability of an AK is amazing. Throw it in mud and it fires. 200 yards and the groups with the AK are crap. A good shot can get man size targets the majority of the time at 200 yards with the AR platform with standard sites. M1 is the best military rifle made. The reliability, accuracy and power makes the firearm of choice of a rifleman.
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Good for under 100 yards and for reliability.... AR's better for 100-300 yards and for accuracy....over 300+ M1 Springfield is God.
Depends on what you mean by accuracy , bench shooting for smallest MOA using match grade ammo or just being able to hit a man sized target
AR's are much more accurate than over 300 yards , you have to recall they make AR's in many different calibers
Travis Haley in Art of the Precision Rifle was hitting man sized targets at ONE-FUCKING-MILE with a .308 Larue OBR AR15
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Aks are the funnest fcking weapon, EVER.
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Depends on what you mean by accuracy , bench shooting for smallest MOA using match grade ammo or just being able to hit a man sized target
AR's are much more accurate than over 300 yards , you have to recall they make AR's in many different calibers
Travis Haley in Art of the Precision Rifle was hitting man sized targets at ONE-FUCKING-MILE with a .308 Larue OBR AR15
Battle conditions standard ammo
AK 762x39
AR 5.56 aka 223
M1 762x51 aka 308
And I agree there is a world of difference between bushmaster and Daniel defense....
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AK 762x39
AR 5.56 aka 223
M1 762x51 aka 308
They make AR's in 9mm , 6.5 , 6.8 , 762 , 300 black out , 50 beowulf , etc ,and they also make AK's in 556
And what do you mean by accuracy? bench shooting with match ammo or just being able to shoot man sized targets? either way your estimates are low
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The AK47 is best for the "spray and pray" method. Haji shit. It's fitting that a monkey is holding one in the video.
The M16 on the other had is better if you actually want to hit something. I prefer the M16A2 myself on 3 round burst.
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You're showing scoped weapons on a tripod. Great for long distance shooting but that is specialized. Specialized in application of use. The majority of the military infantry needs a weapon for fast acquisition from 10 yards to 300 yards and maybe a little more. That's where open sites or electric sites come in. Try quickly engaging multiple targets at close distance with a scope. A rifleman's rifle has to be able to do everything good without specialization. Yes, you can scope an ar and hit 500 yards decent groups off a tripod.
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You're showing scoped weapons on a tripod. Great for long distance shooting but that is specialized. Specialized in application of use. The majority of the military infantry needs a weapon for fast acquisition from 10 yards to 300 yards and maybe a little more. That's where open sites or electric sites come in. Try quickly engaging multiple targets at close distance with a scope. A rifleman's rifle has to be able to do everything good without specialization. Yes, you can scope an ar and hit 500 yards decent groups off a tripod.
Electric sites? you mean holographic or red dot? and the military is using these types pf weapons in theaters of war as we speak
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They make AR's in 9mm , 6.5 , 6.8 , 762 , 300 black out , 50 beowulf , etc ,and they also make AK's in 556
And what do you mean by accuracy? bench shooting with match ammo or just being able to shoot man sized targets? either way your estimates are low
I am aware of the different AR ammo configuration I am strictly speaking mil spec and man size targets in prone position. What I listed is most effective, at 300 or more yards the AR does not provide best range as with AKs over 100 yards IMO
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At over 500 I would use the M1 or the Remington 700 and have used both.
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Trijicon ACOG is a nice do-it-all sight for M4 carbines and M16A3 and A4.
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My personal favorite is the 300 weatherby mag.... Amazing action but not practical other than hunting big game...
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Did 3338888 log out of his account and into this one?
LOL - I have an AK - good weapon!
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Trijicon ACOG is a nice do-it-all sight for M4 carbines and M16A3 and A4.
Agree like it on standard AR fast target acquisition, and holds up well....from what I hear on durability.
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If you must have a commie rifle I suggest you buy a Russian AK.
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Electric sites? you mean holographic or red dot? and the military is using these types pf weapons in theaters of war as we speak
Yes electric sites as in Aimpoint or Eotech. The battery in the Aimpoint can last over a year and that's what I use on my carbine. The Eotech has a much shorter battery life.
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If you must have a commie rifle I suggest you buy a Russian AK.
Izhmash Arsenal/Saiga
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Yes electric sites as in Aimpoint or Eotech. The battery in the Aimpoint can last over a year and that's what I use on my carbine. The Eotech has a much shorter battery life.
I'm a fan of the EOTech. I have one on my M4.
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The AK47 is best for the "spray and pray" method. Haji shit. It's fitting that a monkey is holding one in the video.
The M16 on the other had is better if you actually want to hit something. I prefer the M16A2 myself on 3 round burst.
Have you prestiged in Call Of Duty yet? ::)
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Trijicon ACOG is a nice do-it-all sight for M4 carbines and M16A3 and A4.
I have never used a Trijicon. Is that the one that doesn't use a battery and uses a glowing radio active aiming point?
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I could not live without my iron sites...
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Have you prestiged in Call Of Duty yet? ::)
I have no idea what you are talking about. I assume that is a video game reference but I am a grown man so I'm not sure.
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I could not live without my iron sites...
A traditionalist here. Nothing but respect.
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I'm a fan of the EOTech. I have one on my M4.
I stick w my iron sights on both
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I'm a fan of the EOTech. I have one on my M4.
I was debating whether to get the EoTech or the Aimpoint. In the end it's a toss up but I'm happy with the choice I made with the Aimpoint. My son is really amazing using the Aimpoint on my Beretta Storm. Instantly getting on target with accuracy.
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A traditionalist here. Nothing but respect.
TY back at you. I use scopes but always have iron sites zeroed. Only no iron rifle I own is a Kimber 22 super America with leupold scope, my varmint popper
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I have never used a Trijicon. Is that the one that doesn't use a battery and uses a glowing radio active aiming point?
The one that I am familiar with gives you black crosshairs during the day and a glowing reticle at night.
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I could not live without my iron sites...
I agree. I really prefer to use my M16A2 clone for most of my shooting. If my life was on the line in some kind of a close quarters environment I would grab the M4 with the EOTech. Fast target acquisition is huge in that situation.
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Haven't shot an M-16 since '08...M-4 is where it's at. I keep the butt stalk at either the third or second farthest notch out. Reason (A)It allows me to perform duties without being inhibited (B)If an insurgent is spotted or begins firing where I'm located, it'll definitely be close quarter conflict. 8)
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Trapper_Slapper
The M4 is a fine weapon. May you hit every target you engage.
Sometimes I get shit for my oldschool A2. People say it's too heavy. I tell them to grow stronger.
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Yes electric sites as in Aimpoint or Eotech. The battery in the Aimpoint can last over a year and that's what I use on my carbine. The Eotech has a much shorter battery life.
I have an Aimpoint and the battery lasts a LOT longer than a year , you can leave it on 24/7 and it will last more like 3 years
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:)
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this the SLR will stop anything 7.62mm this was my toy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L1A1_SLR
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my personal weapon was good when jumping in and out of a wagon in full kit as an Artillery Gunner...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_submachine_gun
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Humped a M4, but if I had to grab one of my rifles for an extended time, I would probably grab my iron sighted 74 conversion to a 105. The 5.45 round is pleasant to shoot all day, you can still get 1080 round "spam cans" for less than $200 and the AK action is hard to beat for reliability.
For casual shooting, the m16 plaform is nice. Minor nit to some of the comments, I wouldn't really take the 7.62x51 out to more than 600m. The standard round goes trans sonic about there and the accuracy goes down. For out to about 1500m the .338 Lapua in a bolt gun is good (if you have the glass to see ANYTHING at that distance). Beyond that, call in some arty or an air strike.
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Humped a M4, but if I had to grab one of my rifles for an extended time, I would probably grab my iron sighted 74 conversion to a 105. The 5.45 round is pleasant to shoot all day, you can still get 1080 round "spam cans" for less than $200 and the AK action is hard to beat for reliability.
For casual shooting, the m16 plaform is nice. Minor nit to some of the comments, I wouldn't really take the 7.62x51 out to more than 600m. The standard round goes trans sonic about there and the accuracy goes down. For out to about 1500m the .338 Lapua in a bolt gun is good (if you have the glass to see ANYTHING at that distance). Beyond that, call in some arty or an air strike.
I stand corrected on the .308 trans sonic point. It can run out to 1000m occasionally. That said, if you have a 10+ mil holdover and you are counting it out as feet above target. You need a different round.
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I like spud guns but it's such a waste of a potato when you've used up all the outside
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Trapper_Slapper
The M4 is a fine weapon. May you hit every target you engage.
Sometimes I get shit for my oldschool A2. People say it's too heavy. I tell them to grow stronger.
Lol! Nice one!
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I was USMC and fired MANY weapons in my 43 years AK does a LOT of damage and scares the shit out of me
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I was USMC and fired MANY weapons in my 43 years AK does a LOT of damage and scares the shit out of me
When I was 6-7yo, my father owned 2 German Schmeissers (MP38 & MP40) I use to watch them like TV screen :'(.
Model Z45 was a beauty, if anyone have 1 for sale ?.
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I was USMC and fired MANY weapons in my 43 years AK does a LOT of damage and scares the shit out of me
Exactly. I shot one once the kick back I think is the problem. I didn't hit a damn thing on the target embarrising.
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I have never used a Trijicon. Is that the one that doesn't use a battery and uses a glowing radio active aiming point?
yep. they glow for 12 years or something.
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and what it hits it destroys you can get hit in the head with a .38 and live try getting hit with the AK 7.62 blows your damn head up
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listen .. if you are a marksman with a British SLR then you can shoot.
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Just trust me, the AK47 is superior to the M4. I've played thousands of hours of CS.
;D
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up to 100 yards my ass, if you're that chimp maybe. here's an old dude reliably hitting a 15" plate at 230 yards with a wasr-10, probably the lowest quality AK on the market, open sights, no stupid extraneous shit. i think the he even had XS big dot (cqb) sights on there at the time. plus the dude's vision isn't so great, to boot. russian soldiers with the newer 5.45 74's routinely make 500 yard shots without problems.
an ak-47 or 74 is more than accurate enough for any soldier. i don't understand this accuracy argument AR proponents make, most of the time they're just suppressing fire while waiting for air support to get there. it's a glorified range rifle. ::)
sources estimate 50,000-200,000 rounds were fired in vietnam for every 1 VC kill. bench accuracy on a combat rifle is 90% irrelevant. there's a reason squad snipers exist.
i prefer the FAL myself though. nice hard-hitting round and great ergonomics, love the placement of the mag and bolt release. even beats AR ergonomics imo.
edit: derp, fucked up the video, should be g2g now
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the AK 47 was buit cheap and served itīs purpose. It was never as acurate as the SLR i can tell you that 100% same calibre 7.62mm
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up to 100 yards my ass, if you're that chimp maybe. here's an old dude reliably hitting a 15" plate at 230 yards with a wasr-10, probably the lowest quality AK on the market, open sights, no stupid extraneous shit. i think the he even had XS big dot (cqb) sights on there at the time. plus the dude's vision isn't so great, to boot. russian soldiers with the newer 5.45 74's routinely make 500 yard shots without problems.
an ak-47 or 74 is more than accurate enough for any soldier. i don't understand this accuracy argument AR proponents make, most of the time they're just suppressing fire while waiting for air support to get there. it's a glorified range rifle. ::)
sources estimate 50,000-200,000 rounds were fired in vietnam for every 1 VC kill. bench accuracy on a combat rifle is 90% irrelevant. there's a reason squad snipers exist.
i prefer the FAL myself though. nice hard-hitting round and great ergonomics, love the placement of the mag and bolt release. even beats AR ergonomics imo.
Goof post. AK's are a lot more accurate than people give them credit for
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this is the SLR in action but with an amateur. He does not understand the rifle. He has to keep manuly ejecting rounds because the gas plug at the front of the weapon needs adjusted. what a girl...not ex Brit Army
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I was Expert with EVERY weapon in the USMC (M16, M40, 9mm, .45, etc)
I still think that AK is a VERY scary weapon.
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If the shit does ever hit the fan, i'll defenitly be grabbing the AK's. I love the M4 platform, and all the accessories for them. However, i've seen to many failures with M4's to consider them a shtf rifle. My AK's on the other hand, i've never had a single failure of anykind, and it doesn't matter what ammo I put in them. AK FTW. :D
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If the shit does ever hit the fan, i'll defenitly be grabbing the AK's. I love the M4 platform, and all the accessories for them. However, i've seen to many failures with M4's to consider them a shtf rifle. My AK's on the other hand, i've never had a single failure of anykind, and it doesn't matter what ammo I put in them. AK FTW. :D
I have never had a failure in my ARs from steel cased Wolf & Tula to Q3131A to XM193
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I have never had a failure in my ARs from steel cased Wolf & Tula to Q3131A to XM193
Not for me. I've had failures of light primer strikes, bolt not going into battery, and magazine not fully engaging when inserted. Never had a single failure with my AK's. :D
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Not for me. I've had failures of light primer strikes, bolt not going into battery, and magazine not fully engaging when inserted. Never had a single failure with my AK's. :D
What kind of rifle? and magazine failure is not the same as rifle failure most magazine failures are usually bent lips
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What kind of rifle? and magazine failure is not the same as rifle failure most magazine failures are usually bent lips
Colt, PSA, Core15. Like I said, I love the M4, and have several. They are great rifles, but are not near the battle rifle the AK is. Once the AK12 becomes available, there will be no more debate on which rifle is the best battle weapon. The AK-47 and M4 will both be left behind. :D
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Glock wishes it was AK AK can be in mud, water, fire, and the damn thing still fires like new
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this is what i was issued as my personal weapon.
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An ape running around with an AK47, who would have thought....
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well we do not bother with all that silver stuff but wore a cloth patch on your lower sleeve which i did.
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Convinced?
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at the end of the Day itīs the man and not the weapon who has the impact. A fool can shoot and kill but a trained guy can conserve ammo and can direct his fire to and where he wants.
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USMC we say one shot one kill
but you do NOT want an AK lighting your ass up in a fire fight
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This is one of my favorite rifles. Old school assault 30-30. Roughly the same power as the AK 47 round. Worked back in the cowboy days and it works now.
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WTF?? ;D ;D
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This is one of my favorite rifles. Old school assault 30-30. Roughly the same power as the AK 47 round. Worked back in the cowboy days and it works now.
Indeed, the .30-30 outperformed the 7.62x39 on the energy tables...
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_ballistics_table.htm
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This is one of my favorite rifles. Old school assault 30-30. Roughly the same power as the AK 47 round. Worked back in the cowboy days and it works now.
Those old school rounds can be quite devastating. My primary field gun for hunting in bush is a Marlin 1895 GS in .45-70, a round that is almost 200 years old. I loaded my rounds to .450 Marlin SAAMI specs, firing a 550 gr. cast bullet at 1600 FPS. It has enough mass and energy to traverse a hippo lengthwise. It can be hell on feral pigs too.