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Title: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 11:02:18 AM
This question stemmed from Bigmc's thread regarding blood pressure. What do you fellas feel regarding controlling (NOT crushing) estrogen while on cycle to keep it within the normal range.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: haider on April 26, 2013, 11:04:28 AM
Why do estrogen levels increase while you're on cycle?
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 26, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
To Sevatese or not to Sevatese.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 11:05:39 AM
Why do estrogen levels increase while you're on cycle?

Not rinsing your beef thoroughly.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: The True Adonis on April 26, 2013, 11:10:46 AM
The aroma of pizza is best.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 11:12:18 AM
The aroma of pizza is best.

The aroma of a female is nice as well.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:23:20 AM
hopefully one of the experts should chip in on this
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: sync pulse on April 26, 2013, 11:25:52 AM
Why do estrogen levels increase while you're on cycle?

Your body converts testosterone into estrogen if you do not take drugs to stop it.  The source of "bitch tits."
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 11:27:00 AM
Your body converts testosterone into estrogen if you do not take drugs to stop it.  The source of "bitch tits."

What's your opinion on this topic bro?
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: mik1111 on April 26, 2013, 11:29:59 AM
i'd like to see anyone prove that estrogen is necessary to build muscle, or for that matter that it aids at all in muscle building.
the only thing good about a little estro is that it keeps the libido ideal, but even then, i can fuck alright without it, just takes longer.

i use letro and apart from the libido thing, it's a ok
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
i'd like to see anyone prove that estrogen is necessary to build muscle, or for that matter that it aids at all in muscle building.
the only thing good about a little estro is that it keeps the libido ideal, but even then, i can fuck alright without it, just takes longer.

i use letro and apart from the libido thing, it's a ok

Any educated doc will say that you need SOME estrogen, it's not an evil hormone, it's in fact very necessary for basic physiological processes. I'm a huge advocate of just keeping it within NORMAL ranges, not absolutely crushing it.

I'm a fan of letro as well, but I have to be much more careful with it because it can drop my E too low very quickly.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: sync pulse on April 26, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
The process is called aromatizing...Everybody is different...some aromatize strongly...others almost none.

It's a function comprising of these components:


If a starched shirt hurts your nipples...use Arimadex.
Also keep in mind my doctor told me that he believed high levels of estrogen in men is what causes prostate cancer.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 11:40:50 AM
question:

i used to take 1.25mg finasteride per day to stabilize hairloss

at this point i never used roids or AI's


then recently i started taking 300mg of test enanthate per week

i increased the finasteride to 2.5mg per day to manage increased dht

since i figured this would raise estradiol

i added also adex half a tablet every 3 days


now when i'm gonna go off test and adex and back to 1.25mg of finasteride/day


how do i restore natural test-estrogen balance?


i ordered nolva, they said to me it could help


please help me getbiggers


THANKS
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:42:00 AM
question:

i used to take 1.25mg finasteride per day to stabilize hairloss

at this point i never used roids or AI's


then recently i started taking 300mg of test enanthate per week

i increased the finasteride to 2.5mg per day to manage increased dht

since i figured this would raise estradiol

i added also adex half a tablet every 3 days


now when i'm gonna go off test and adex and back to 1.25mg of finasteride/day


how do i restore natural test-estrogen balance?


i ordered nolva, they said to me it could help


please help me getbiggers


THANKS


stay on

or try hcg and clomid
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 11:43:10 AM
stay on

or try hcg and clomid
i wont stay on for longer than 16 weeks

i'm just a semi serious bber

not aspiring to go pro
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:44:02 AM
i wont stay on for longer than 16 weeks

i'm just a semi serious bber

not aspiring to go pro

you are on a very mild dose

you will feel like shit when you come off and end up jumping back on anyway
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 11:46:13 AM
you are on a very mild dose

you will feel like shit when you come off and end up jumping back on anyway
i'm more concerned with estrogen rebound than test surpression

if that makes sense

Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:47:05 AM
i'm more concerned with estrogen rebound than test surpression

if that makes sense



i hear you

you are lean and the dose was mild you should be ok
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 11:48:33 AM
i hear you

you are lean and the dose was mild you should be ok
do you concur with the recommendation by the internet's finasteride using balding roiders that i should take nolva

if so

at what dose and how long


Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:50:13 AM
do you concur with the recommendation by the internet's finasteride using balding roiders that i should take nolva

if so

at what dose and how long




its all bro science

nolva made me feel like shit

if it was me i might run some hcg then a week after you come off run two weeks of clomid
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: sync pulse on April 26, 2013, 11:50:21 AM
Hcg 2500 units every other day with a diabetes needle for two weeks.
clomide 50 mg twice a day for a month.
Tamoxifen 20mg a day for a month.

Edit: mind you this was after a nine month cycle.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:52:12 AM
Hcg 2500 units every other day with a diabetes needle for two weeks.
clomide 50 mg twice a day for a month.
Tamoxifen 20mg a day for a month.

 ???
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
its all bro science

nolva made me feel like shit

if it was me i might run some hcg then a week after you come off run two weeks of clomid
just thinking finasteride may make it worse

since it prevents dht formation

more is going to estradiol way

this combined with rebound after adex


sounds bad


but body should recover i hope and regain it's balance
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:54:35 AM
just thinking finasteride may make it worse

since it prevents dht formation

more is going to estradiol way

this combined with rebound after adex


sounds bad


but body should recover i hope and regain it's balance

the best i ever felt was when i came off and didnt take anything

was still horny felt great etc

as i said its all bro science
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: sync pulse on April 26, 2013, 11:56:16 AM
???

This is what was prescribed for my post cycle.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 11:57:19 AM
This is what was prescribed for my post cycle.

what were you running

that is alot of post cycle shit

seems like overkill
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 12:00:32 PM
the best i ever felt was when i came off and didnt take anything

was still horny felt great etc

as i said its all bro science
interesting

fucking mysterious activity

bbing

while battling hairloss

battle of the androgen receptors


muscle vs follicle
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 12:01:30 PM
interesting

fucking mysterious activity

bbing

while battling hairloss

battle of the androgen receptors


muscle vs follicle

if you are genetically disposed to go bald you will go bald

just let it happen
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 12:02:35 PM
if you are genetically disposed to go bald you will go bald

just let it happen
not going down without a fight

a lot of guys have maintained well against all odds (genetics + roids)


by using finasteride
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 12:04:00 PM
not going down without a fight

a lot of guys have maintained well against all odds (genetics + roids)


by using finasteride

its your hair

there is always wigs ask bob chic
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 12:05:21 PM
its your hair

there is always wigs ask bob chic
bob chick looks good

transplant + finasteride


wonder what he uses for anabolics now to maintain his perfect bear shape
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 12:06:44 PM
bob chick looks good

transplant + finasteride


wonder what he uses for anabolics now to maintain his perfect bear shape

egg whites
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: anabolichalo on April 26, 2013, 12:08:19 PM
egg whites
but seriously

how many roids and grams is he on u reckon
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 12:10:15 PM
but seriously

how many roids and grams is he on u reckon

hard to say if i was guessing

bout a gram of test a week
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: deceiver on April 26, 2013, 12:20:59 PM
Just run low testosterone. I do not think high test is really that beneficial, there are other drugs.

- High test + AI = skin problems, either libido problems or still bloated, very unstable (some days I got bloated like I got immune to an AI...). It was virtually impossible to find sweet spot of AI dose, it was either overkill or not enough.

- Low test + high tren + cabaser 0.5mg e4d = excellent libido, best I've ever looked.

From theoretical point of view "run twice as much test as tren on cycle to be horny" is pure BS.

 - High estradiol contributes to higher prolactin
 - Prolactin is bad mostly because it counteracts the effect of dopamine. Androgens raise levels of dopamine but... Sometimes it's just not enough. It's not like the more testosterone you run the hornier you become. For many it's quite the opposite.

There are people who feel and look excellent on test. I know guys who can run 700-1.5g of test with no bloat, chizeled faces etc. They usually get crazy gains from test as well.

But hey, it's same as tren. Some people have no sides - no problems sleeping, no mood swings, normal blood pressure... But then there are those who literally hate this drug.

The biggest misconception in bodybuilding is that everyone should run same cycles. You go to steroid board and everyone runs 700mg of test and 400mg of nandrolone even if they feel like shit, look like shit and don't gain much from such cycle.

You have to choose what is right for YOU. It's like birth control meds for women. There's no pill that is ok for every girl in the world, smart gynecologist will always experiment and choose pill that is OK for your woman. Of course there are corrupted or plain stupid docs out there and well, I sometimes laugh when I ask about birth control pills and girl tells me "oh no, I got bloated and had acne on that shit". Then I ask - "how many different compounds have you tried?" and she replies "one".
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Borracho on April 26, 2013, 12:25:36 PM
^
excellent post.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Borracho on April 26, 2013, 12:28:54 PM

- Low test + high tren + cabaser 0.5mg e4d = excellent libido, best I've ever looked.


BTW anabolichalo....switch the tren to npp and you got a nice hair safe cycle. Looked and felt pretty damn good on this and hair loss was non existant.
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 12:32:26 PM
great post by deceiver

everyone is different and reacts differently to gear

the bottom line is gear is trial and error
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: deceiver on April 26, 2013, 12:42:34 PM
great post by deceiver

everyone is different and reacts differently to gear

the bottom line is gear is trial and error

Question - how long did you run your cycle before comming off?
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: bigmc on April 26, 2013, 12:45:43 PM
Question - how long did you run your cycle before comming off?

when i cam off clean

twelve weeks

i stay on high hrt dosages now
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Seven Copper Coins on April 26, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
the best i ever felt was when i came off and didnt take anything

was still horny felt great etc

as i said its all bro science

This. When i come off it's cold turkey. If you're going to take other drugs you really aren't "off" anyway. Deal with it, clean out
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: falco on April 26, 2013, 01:16:21 PM
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Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
Just run low testosterone. I do not think high test is really that beneficial, there are other drugs.

- High test + AI = skin problems, either libido problems or still bloated, very unstable (some days I got bloated like I got immune to an AI...). It was virtually impossible to find sweet spot of AI dose, it was either overkill or not enough.

- Low test + high tren + cabaser 0.5mg e4d = excellent libido, best I've ever looked.

From theoretical point of view "run twice as much test as tren on cycle to be horny" is pure BS.

 - High estradiol contributes to higher prolactin
 - Prolactin is bad mostly because it counteracts the effect of dopamine. Androgens raise levels of dopamine but... Sometimes it's just not enough. It's not like the more testosterone you run the hornier you become. For many it's quite the opposite.

There are people who feel and look excellent on test. I know guys who can run 700-1.5g of test with no bloat, chizeled faces etc. They usually get crazy gains from test as well.

But hey, it's same as tren. Some people have no sides - no problems sleeping, no mood swings, normal blood pressure... But then there are those who literally hate this drug.

The biggest misconception in bodybuilding is that everyone should run same cycles. You go to steroid board and everyone runs 700mg of test and 400mg of nandrolone even if they feel like shit, look like shit and don't gain much from such cycle.

You have to choose what is right for YOU. It's like birth control meds for women. There's no pill that is ok for every girl in the world, smart gynecologist will always experiment and choose pill that is OK for your woman. Of course there are corrupted or plain stupid docs out there and well, I sometimes laugh when I ask about birth control pills and girl tells me "oh no, I got bloated and had acne on that shit". Then I ask - "how many different compounds have you tried?" and she replies "one".

Great post! I'd like to hear more GetBig heavyweights weigh in here
Title: Re: To inhibit Aromatase, or not to inhibit Aromatase: that is the question.
Post by: deadpan on April 26, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
yeah of course you should control it. i dont think you should kill it completely though, supposedly helps keep the joints lubricated, aids with glycogen and some other stuff. also i've heard some guys saying that the water retention causes your liver to release igf-1. idk it might be all broscience though.