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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Big Chiro Flex on April 26, 2013, 11:02:18 AM
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This question stemmed from Bigmc's thread regarding blood pressure. What do you fellas feel regarding controlling (NOT crushing) estrogen while on cycle to keep it within the normal range.
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Why do estrogen levels increase while you're on cycle?
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To Sevatese or not to Sevatese.
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Why do estrogen levels increase while you're on cycle?
Not rinsing your beef thoroughly.
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The aroma of pizza is best.
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The aroma of pizza is best.
The aroma of a female is nice as well.
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hopefully one of the experts should chip in on this
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Why do estrogen levels increase while you're on cycle?
Your body converts testosterone into estrogen if you do not take drugs to stop it. The source of "bitch tits."
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Your body converts testosterone into estrogen if you do not take drugs to stop it. The source of "bitch tits."
What's your opinion on this topic bro?
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i'd like to see anyone prove that estrogen is necessary to build muscle, or for that matter that it aids at all in muscle building.
the only thing good about a little estro is that it keeps the libido ideal, but even then, i can fuck alright without it, just takes longer.
i use letro and apart from the libido thing, it's a ok
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i'd like to see anyone prove that estrogen is necessary to build muscle, or for that matter that it aids at all in muscle building.
the only thing good about a little estro is that it keeps the libido ideal, but even then, i can fuck alright without it, just takes longer.
i use letro and apart from the libido thing, it's a ok
Any educated doc will say that you need SOME estrogen, it's not an evil hormone, it's in fact very necessary for basic physiological processes. I'm a huge advocate of just keeping it within NORMAL ranges, not absolutely crushing it.
I'm a fan of letro as well, but I have to be much more careful with it because it can drop my E too low very quickly.
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The process is called aromatizing...Everybody is different...some aromatize strongly...others almost none.
It's a function comprising of these components:
- Your testosterone levels
- your body fat content...especially around your belly and ass
- Your tendency to aromatize
If a starched shirt hurts your nipples...use Arimadex.
Also keep in mind my doctor told me that he believed high levels of estrogen in men is what causes prostate cancer.
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question:
i used to take 1.25mg finasteride per day to stabilize hairloss
at this point i never used roids or AI's
then recently i started taking 300mg of test enanthate per week
i increased the finasteride to 2.5mg per day to manage increased dht
since i figured this would raise estradiol
i added also adex half a tablet every 3 days
now when i'm gonna go off test and adex and back to 1.25mg of finasteride/day
how do i restore natural test-estrogen balance?
i ordered nolva, they said to me it could help
please help me getbiggers
THANKS
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question:
i used to take 1.25mg finasteride per day to stabilize hairloss
at this point i never used roids or AI's
then recently i started taking 300mg of test enanthate per week
i increased the finasteride to 2.5mg per day to manage increased dht
since i figured this would raise estradiol
i added also adex half a tablet every 3 days
now when i'm gonna go off test and adex and back to 1.25mg of finasteride/day
how do i restore natural test-estrogen balance?
i ordered nolva, they said to me it could help
please help me getbiggers
THANKS
stay on
or try hcg and clomid
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stay on
or try hcg and clomid
i wont stay on for longer than 16 weeks
i'm just a semi serious bber
not aspiring to go pro
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i wont stay on for longer than 16 weeks
i'm just a semi serious bber
not aspiring to go pro
you are on a very mild dose
you will feel like shit when you come off and end up jumping back on anyway
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you are on a very mild dose
you will feel like shit when you come off and end up jumping back on anyway
i'm more concerned with estrogen rebound than test surpression
if that makes sense
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i'm more concerned with estrogen rebound than test surpression
if that makes sense
i hear you
you are lean and the dose was mild you should be ok
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i hear you
you are lean and the dose was mild you should be ok
do you concur with the recommendation by the internet's finasteride using balding roiders that i should take nolva
if so
at what dose and how long
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do you concur with the recommendation by the internet's finasteride using balding roiders that i should take nolva
if so
at what dose and how long
its all bro science
nolva made me feel like shit
if it was me i might run some hcg then a week after you come off run two weeks of clomid
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Hcg 2500 units every other day with a diabetes needle for two weeks.
clomide 50 mg twice a day for a month.
Tamoxifen 20mg a day for a month.
Edit: mind you this was after a nine month cycle.
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Hcg 2500 units every other day with a diabetes needle for two weeks.
clomide 50 mg twice a day for a month.
Tamoxifen 20mg a day for a month.
???
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its all bro science
nolva made me feel like shit
if it was me i might run some hcg then a week after you come off run two weeks of clomid
just thinking finasteride may make it worse
since it prevents dht formation
more is going to estradiol way
this combined with rebound after adex
sounds bad
but body should recover i hope and regain it's balance
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just thinking finasteride may make it worse
since it prevents dht formation
more is going to estradiol way
this combined with rebound after adex
sounds bad
but body should recover i hope and regain it's balance
the best i ever felt was when i came off and didnt take anything
was still horny felt great etc
as i said its all bro science
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???
This is what was prescribed for my post cycle.
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This is what was prescribed for my post cycle.
what were you running
that is alot of post cycle shit
seems like overkill
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the best i ever felt was when i came off and didnt take anything
was still horny felt great etc
as i said its all bro science
interesting
fucking mysterious activity
bbing
while battling hairloss
battle of the androgen receptors
muscle vs follicle
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interesting
fucking mysterious activity
bbing
while battling hairloss
battle of the androgen receptors
muscle vs follicle
if you are genetically disposed to go bald you will go bald
just let it happen
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if you are genetically disposed to go bald you will go bald
just let it happen
not going down without a fight
a lot of guys have maintained well against all odds (genetics + roids)
by using finasteride
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not going down without a fight
a lot of guys have maintained well against all odds (genetics + roids)
by using finasteride
its your hair
there is always wigs ask bob chic
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its your hair
there is always wigs ask bob chic
bob chick looks good
transplant + finasteride
wonder what he uses for anabolics now to maintain his perfect bear shape
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bob chick looks good
transplant + finasteride
wonder what he uses for anabolics now to maintain his perfect bear shape
egg whites
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egg whites
but seriously
how many roids and grams is he on u reckon
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but seriously
how many roids and grams is he on u reckon
hard to say if i was guessing
bout a gram of test a week
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Just run low testosterone. I do not think high test is really that beneficial, there are other drugs.
- High test + AI = skin problems, either libido problems or still bloated, very unstable (some days I got bloated like I got immune to an AI...). It was virtually impossible to find sweet spot of AI dose, it was either overkill or not enough.
- Low test + high tren + cabaser 0.5mg e4d = excellent libido, best I've ever looked.
From theoretical point of view "run twice as much test as tren on cycle to be horny" is pure BS.
- High estradiol contributes to higher prolactin
- Prolactin is bad mostly because it counteracts the effect of dopamine. Androgens raise levels of dopamine but... Sometimes it's just not enough. It's not like the more testosterone you run the hornier you become. For many it's quite the opposite.
There are people who feel and look excellent on test. I know guys who can run 700-1.5g of test with no bloat, chizeled faces etc. They usually get crazy gains from test as well.
But hey, it's same as tren. Some people have no sides - no problems sleeping, no mood swings, normal blood pressure... But then there are those who literally hate this drug.
The biggest misconception in bodybuilding is that everyone should run same cycles. You go to steroid board and everyone runs 700mg of test and 400mg of nandrolone even if they feel like shit, look like shit and don't gain much from such cycle.
You have to choose what is right for YOU. It's like birth control meds for women. There's no pill that is ok for every girl in the world, smart gynecologist will always experiment and choose pill that is OK for your woman. Of course there are corrupted or plain stupid docs out there and well, I sometimes laugh when I ask about birth control pills and girl tells me "oh no, I got bloated and had acne on that shit". Then I ask - "how many different compounds have you tried?" and she replies "one".
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excellent post.
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- Low test + high tren + cabaser 0.5mg e4d = excellent libido, best I've ever looked.
BTW anabolichalo....switch the tren to npp and you got a nice hair safe cycle. Looked and felt pretty damn good on this and hair loss was non existant.
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great post by deceiver
everyone is different and reacts differently to gear
the bottom line is gear is trial and error
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great post by deceiver
everyone is different and reacts differently to gear
the bottom line is gear is trial and error
Question - how long did you run your cycle before comming off?
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Question - how long did you run your cycle before comming off?
when i cam off clean
twelve weeks
i stay on high hrt dosages now
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the best i ever felt was when i came off and didnt take anything
was still horny felt great etc
as i said its all bro science
This. When i come off it's cold turkey. If you're going to take other drugs you really aren't "off" anyway. Deal with it, clean out
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Just run low testosterone. I do not think high test is really that beneficial, there are other drugs.
- High test + AI = skin problems, either libido problems or still bloated, very unstable (some days I got bloated like I got immune to an AI...). It was virtually impossible to find sweet spot of AI dose, it was either overkill or not enough.
- Low test + high tren + cabaser 0.5mg e4d = excellent libido, best I've ever looked.
From theoretical point of view "run twice as much test as tren on cycle to be horny" is pure BS.
- High estradiol contributes to higher prolactin
- Prolactin is bad mostly because it counteracts the effect of dopamine. Androgens raise levels of dopamine but... Sometimes it's just not enough. It's not like the more testosterone you run the hornier you become. For many it's quite the opposite.
There are people who feel and look excellent on test. I know guys who can run 700-1.5g of test with no bloat, chizeled faces etc. They usually get crazy gains from test as well.
But hey, it's same as tren. Some people have no sides - no problems sleeping, no mood swings, normal blood pressure... But then there are those who literally hate this drug.
The biggest misconception in bodybuilding is that everyone should run same cycles. You go to steroid board and everyone runs 700mg of test and 400mg of nandrolone even if they feel like shit, look like shit and don't gain much from such cycle.
You have to choose what is right for YOU. It's like birth control meds for women. There's no pill that is ok for every girl in the world, smart gynecologist will always experiment and choose pill that is OK for your woman. Of course there are corrupted or plain stupid docs out there and well, I sometimes laugh when I ask about birth control pills and girl tells me "oh no, I got bloated and had acne on that shit". Then I ask - "how many different compounds have you tried?" and she replies "one".
Great post! I'd like to hear more GetBig heavyweights weigh in here
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yeah of course you should control it. i dont think you should kill it completely though, supposedly helps keep the joints lubricated, aids with glycogen and some other stuff. also i've heard some guys saying that the water retention causes your liver to release igf-1. idk it might be all broscience though.