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Probably testosterone to be honest. People trying to run Tren solo, for long periods of time, are going to have issues down the road...
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test.
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Probably testosterone to be honest. People trying to run Tren solo, for long periods of time, are going to have issues down the road...
yea but you wont be shredded using test only. with tren you get the best of both worlds. I think most gym rats just go on and off tren.
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Probably testosterone to be honest. People trying to run Tren solo, for long periods of time, are going to have issues down the road...
can you eloborate on this? what happens to solo tren users down the line?
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Creatine
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Anabolic steroids were created because of the problems with straight testosterone. The russian Olympic lifters were injecting test because that's all they had prior to anabolic steroids and it created health nightmares.
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Myoblitz obviously...
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Snake OIL.
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HGH
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The old Negma Parabolan.
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Bee pollen order from the great vince cft, shit, bbc etc.
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Plazmosis
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Nandralone Undecanoate. 200 mgs every other day for 20 years.
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Test
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Hot Stuff
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jack3d
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Hot Stuff
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Cybergenix
We're old, brah
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tribulus
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The old Negma Parabolan.
This
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celltech
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can you eloborate on this? what happens to solo tren users down the line?
I dunno how much experience you have with this stuff, but when you're on high doses of Test, you feel great. Libido, confidence, energy, strength, a little bit of aggression. I feel awesome on testosterone...
Now high or even moderate doses of tren are the opposite. Night sweats, anxiety, lethargy. I don't get libido problems, exactly, but it doesn't do me any good in that respect. I'd feel like a wreck if I were to stay on tren for longer than 16 weeks, but I can stay on test year-round no problem.
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I dunno how much experience you have with this stuff, but when you're on high doses of Test, you feel great. Libido, confidence, energy, strength, a little bit of aggression. I feel awesome on testosterone...
Now high or even moderate doses of tren are the opposite. Night sweats, anxiety, lethargy. I don't get libido problems, exactly, but it doesn't do me any good in that respect. I'd feel like a wreck if I were to stay on tren for longer than 16 weeks, but I can stay on test year-round no problem.
This. Test should be treated by the medical community as the cure-all that it is.
Tired? Test
Depressed? Test
Boner-less? Test
Out if shape? Test
Weak? Test
Social anxiety? Test
Meek? Test
Suck at sports? Test
Feel old? Test
240 or Rob? Test
You could cut out the entire SSRI and Viagra industry in one (monthly) shot.
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tribulus but only the secret bulgarian kind used by east german strength athletes in the 70s
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tribulus but only the secret bulgarian kind used by east german strength athletes in the 70s
Contact Emeric Delczeg for the real stuff. Also pick up some Romanian chicken embryo extract. :D
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I dunno how much experience you have with this stuff, but when you're on high doses of Test, you feel great. Libido, confidence, energy, strength, a little bit of aggression. I feel awesome on testosterone...
Now high or even moderate doses of tren are the opposite. Night sweats, anxiety, lethargy. I don't get libido problems, exactly, but it doesn't do me any good in that respect. I'd feel like a wreck if I were to stay on tren for longer than 16 weeks, but I can stay on test year-round no problem.
Tren is not known for that, it is actually the oppisite cause you have a hard time sleeping
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My pick would be test cause every other compound will shut your test levels down so you wouldn't even have your regular levels of test. What good would it be if you have deca in you and your natural production of test is zero or tren. Your body needs at least a little bit of test, so it would be stupid to choice any other compound.
If tren did not shut my test levels down then of course I would go with tren but that's not the case.
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Tren is not known for that, it is actually the oppisite cause you have a hard time sleeping
It makes a lot of guys real lethargic actually, myself too. When you start it it makes you hyper,
then it changes. It can make it hard to sleep at the same time though, making the lethargy even worse.
I don't think lethargy is atypical. Guys tell me the same and a lot of guys on forums report the same. Very common.
The higher the dose the more lethargic you get from steroids in general.
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anybody who doesn't say 'test' is an idiot.
a more fitting thread title would be 'what bbing drug OTHER THAN test would you use'.
for that answer, it'd be GH.
'what bbing AAS other than test would you use'
for that answer, it'd be Tren.
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Even a single 250mg test shot/wk would make a world of a difference. So yeah, Test all the way.
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Even a single 250mg test shot/wk would make a world of a difference. So yeah, Test all the way.
Yeah exactly, simple as that.
tribulus but only the secret bulgarian kind used by east german strength athletes in the 70s
Hahahahah...
Nice 1!
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I dunno how much experience you have with this stuff, but when you're on high doses of Test, you feel great. Libido, confidence, energy, strength, a little bit of aggression. I feel awesome on testosterone...
I feel awesome on ASIAN pussy ;) ;) ;)
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It makes a lot of guys real lethargic actually, myself too. When you start it it makes you hyper,
then it changes. It can make it hard to sleep at the same time though, making the lethargy even worse.
I don't think lethargy is atypical. Guys tell me the same and a lot of guys on forums report the same. Very common.
The higher the dose the more lethargic you get from steroids in general.
Come to think of it, ya maybe their are a few who claim this. Certainly not me, I am awake and wired and can't sleep, gives me the opposite. Now with gh I am a baby, 6 iu would put me to nap, however I am knew to gh usage so maybe just a matter of time before my body adapts.
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equipoise
your stamina increases and your dik stays hard when your mind drifts off while having sex
builds muscle with no water retention just lean gains
feels like the best elements of tren and test combined without the side effects
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equipoise
your stamina increases and your dik stays hard when your mind drifts off while having sex
builds muscle with no water retention just lean gains
feels like the best elements of tren and test combined without the side effects
Yes but the problem is your test levels will drop to zero and your body needs at least your natural production to go with the EQ for good results.
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equipoise
your stamina increases and your dik stays hard when your mind drifts off while having sex
builds muscle with no water retention just lean gains
feels like the best elements of tren and test combined without the side effects
what about primo?
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Yes but the problem is your test levels will drop to zero and your body needs at least your natural production to go with the EQ for good results.
im not talking about gaining alot of muscle more of a all year round at a low dosage no more than 300 to 400mg a week
this is for people who have abs all year round and weigh usually no more than 76 to 80kgs at 5'11
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MDMA
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what about primo?
if you can get legit
its expensive and has to be run at a fairly high dose to be effective
you would be better with eq
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My pick would be test cause every other compound will shut your test levels down so you wouldn't even have your regular levels of test. What good would it be if you have deca in you and your natural production of test is zero or tren. Your body needs at least a little bit of test, so it would be stupid to choice any other compound.
If tren did not shut my test levels down then of course I would go with tren but that's not the case.
I have tren with a little test prop as the ideal stack .. dbol before working out, a little t3 and a little clen
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not one person has answered correctly............... .............sostenon 250, 5 different esters and works immediately and for one month with one inection, best steroid ever.
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200mgs Test a week(4 life) is a game changer for people who don't even work out
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Steroid-love my legit primo depot
and of course gh--
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not one person has answered correctly............... .............sostenon 250, 5 different esters and works immediately and for one month with one inection, best steroid ever.
you look like a fat bloated mess
you need to come off everything
before you get seriously ill
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The old Negma Parabolan.
now THERE's a guy who knows his shit in bb ;D
as for me, i'd pick test, tren solo would fuck one up
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im not talking about gaining alot of muscle more of a all year round at a low dosage no more than 300 to 400mg a week
this is for people who have abs all year round and weigh usually no more than 76 to 80kgs at 5'11
Ya but the point I was trying to make is that uf you do this for a year then your natural production will be zero for a year and you are not even getting test in return as a trade off. Now shutting your production down and getting test in return then your fine but going an entire year without any test whatsoever, non from an outside source or natural production has some serious consequences on the body.
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not one person has answered correctly............... .............sostenon 250, 5 different esters and works immediately and for one month with one inection, best steroid ever.
That is good for lazy people, test prop is the best form of test you can get but people do not like daily injections.
The shorter the ester the better the compound, you know that, everyone knows that.
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you look like a fat bloated mess
you need to come off everything
before you get seriously ill
I have to agree. The way you look nobody would be advised to take your suggestions on AAS. Now if you wanted to speak on the downfalls of a particular steroid that would be different.
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That is good for lazy people test prop is the best form of test you can get but people do not like daily injections.
The shorter the ester the better the compound, you know that, everyone knows that.
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To be completely honest. The best nutritional/AAS advice I've ever gotten on the boards has been from Galeniko. No nonsense, straight shooter, take it or leave it advice-he'll tell what works for him and give suggestions if you ask and that's all one could hope for when trying to figure this out.
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The problem with this question is that too many people won't think on terms of what drug gives the best results, but what is the best to stay on long term as far as side effects. These are two different questions. If it was just based on results it certainly wouldn't be test for me that's for sure.
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The problem with this question is that too many people won't think on terms of what drug gives the best results, but what is the best to stay on long term as far as side effects. These are two different questions. If it was just based on results it certainly wouldn't be test for me that's for sure.
Granted your are not a fan of test but every compound shuts your test levels down so my question is would you be willing to go year round without any test from your natural production or from an outside compound, I mean we are talking no test (period) whatsoever year round
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Granted your are not a fan of test but every compound shuts your test levels down so my question is would you be willing to go year round without any test from your natural production or from an outside compound, I mean we are talking no test (period) whatsoever year round
I know, personally I think it best to leave test alone. I haven't been on TRT in about 3 years. Few years back my Doc gave it too me and after a while it actually made my sex drive worse. There was no happy medium, plus it's almost next to impossible to get a natural blood level. I talk to lots of guys who take test and have a shitty sex drive and can't keep an erection. Too many guys are taking TRT to just take it even thought they don't need it, fuck that as long as I'm able to produce and within normal range I'll forgo it till I absolutely need it.
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MDMA
laugh all you want mdma was looked at many times as a p.e.d for weight management I think it is in the same ball park as dnp for cutting fat a hell of a lot funner though
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I know, personally I think it best to leave test alone. I haven't been on TRT in about 3 years. Few years back my Doc gave it too me and after a while it actually made my sex drive worse. There was no happy medium, plus it's almost next to impossible to get a natural blood level. I talk to lots of guys who take test and have a shitty sex drive and can't keep an erection. Too many guys are taking TRT to just take it even thought they don't need it, fuck that as long as I'm able to produce and within normal range I'll forgo it till I absolutely need it.
Need to take aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen within normal range. Too much estrogen or to little estrogen = sexual function problems.
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Need to take aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen within normal range. Too much estrogen or to little estrogen = sexual function problems.
You can't stay on that crap forever though.
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Decca.
Easy on the hair and prostate (both concerns for guys in their 30s - I simply don't want to die of prostate cancer). And no acne, which is nice. No gyno risk. All of the above are greater risks with test. Not ridiculously crazier risks...but I'm old enough to have given up my lust for truly risky "damn-the-torpedos" behavior.
The muscle gains are about the same, mg for mg, for me. Give or take...it's a couple lbs a year, which isn't that big of a deal.
Only thing I miss is the libido, which is still there on decca, but not like it is with test. But being randy all the time isn't worth much if you don't have an outlet...it's frustrating (like being 14 again). Been married too long...wife doesn't care what I'm running...I only get what I get so there's no point wanting it 3x a day when all I'm getting is 1x/week at best.
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this happens to many,actually.
limp dick while on test.
depends on dosage i think.
Yup. Never had a side effect in my life (taking Decca and Winny for over 10 years). Although I do very low dosages/cycles seasonally with consistent training and perfect diet. Seems to work for me.
Limp dick...never happened!
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Galeniko test enanthate and cypionate are one ester only, cypionate has half life of 18 days enanthate 8 days, cypionate and enanthate don't even compare or measure to sostenon 250, 5 esters compared to one
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Galeniko test enanthate and cypionate are one ester only, cypionate has half life of 18 days enanthate 8 days, cypionate and enanthate don't even compare or measure to sostenon 250, 5 esters compared to one
cswol can lift I think I recall like 55 reps with 225 in the bench.
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ANAVAR.
(capitalised for emphasis)
but ideally it'd be anavar and gh.
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I did bench 2 weeks ago broke my ethics and hit the bar to chest I got 40 reps, all on a bad lower back/leg and haven't done bench like that for years, ct fletcher tells you partial reps make you way bigger than conventional reps that metric squared dumb muthafuckaz use
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Galeniko test enanthate and cypionate are one ester only, cypionate has half life of 18 days enanthate 8 days, cypionate and enanthate don't even compare or measure to sostenon 250, 5 esters compared to one
In reality the release curve looks basically the same between Sust and enan/cyp. I remember someone graphed it years ago based on half-lives. Cyp doesn't have an 18 day half-life... The PDR etc says 8 days. Enan about 5 days or less.
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Gummy "Bear" vitamins ;D No good ole Test
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Ramen noodles.
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you cannot go wrong with test, tren, and gh. you can get away with 200mg mwf of test, and 50mg mwf of tren, and 5iu gh/day and spend pennies doing it year round.
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Test
is
Best
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Test E and Winstrol do for me what I thought straight tren ace would do, but w/ less sides.
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DNP.
I love being warm all the time.
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surprised to see most answer test, that seems to get the most flak from what i've seen
that's why it's so confusing for beginners interested in using, everybody seems to have a different opinion
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a beginner should use this regimen................. ..... primobolan, winstrol, anavar, equipoise, maybe 20 mg of dbol
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a beginner should use this regimen................. ..... primobolan, winstrol, anavar, equipoise, maybe 20 mg of dbol
Can I ask what the rationale is? This is cutting cycle, no?
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a beginner should use this regimen................. ..... primobolan, winstrol, anavar, equipoise, maybe 20 mg of dbol
horrible advise.
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horrible advise.
^^
What would YOU take if you were a beginner today??
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horrible advise.
x1000000
First cycle? LOL!!!
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a beginner should use this regimen................. ..... primobolan, winstrol, anavar, equipoise, maybe 20 mg of dbol
fuck sake ::)
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The biggest
drug dealer bodybuilder at my gym has a saying..."Test is best."
This seems to be the case.
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yea it is intresting. there is not definite answer on what is the best first cycle for a beginner
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The biggest drug dealer bodybuilder at my gym has a saying..."Test is best."
This seems to be the case.
its the starting point for every cycle
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^^
What would YOU take if you were a beginner today??
500mg test a wk for 12 weeks.
then the next cycle you add in something with your test. maybe some deca. see how that goes.
then your next cycle, you take the deca out. add in anavar and maybe eq. see how that goes.
then your next cycle you try tren ace, with the var or the deca or the eq./ see how you like that.
the whole idea is to build up a foundation, tolerances, and to see how your body responds to different compounds- taking 4-5 compounds you have never run before, let alone when you've never even used anabolics before, is asinine - how are you supposed to know what your responding best to?
over time you'll figure out which substances your body 'likes' better than others and you go with those once your ready to stop cycling, staying on low dose test year round, and cycling those other anabolics in depending on the look your after.
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HMB is the drug of choice followed by CLA. Either of those would have fattened your wallet exponentially if you were cynical and amoral enough to separate suckers from their billfolds in the 1990s.
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a beginner should use this regimen................. ..... primobolan, winstrol, anavar, equipoise, maybe 20 mg of dbol
Don't forget Anadrol, T3 and Nubain.
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Tren Ace
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Based on results Dimethazine.
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Test is best
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Hot Stuff
Remember back when that shit actually worked?
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Remember back when that shit actually worked?
Yes the first few batches has some amazing shit in it. So did Duchaine's Ultimate Orange..
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androstenedione!
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The original Met-Rx formula was pretty effective, too. Not like Hot Stuff, but still better than your average protein supplement.
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Trenbolone Acetate all the way.
Maybe Equipoise.
Definitely not test. Not from my personal experience anyway. Nothing but ridiculous water retention and very bad mood swings.
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just one? test, obviously.
besides test? probably tren. mg per mg nothing compares. even at just 50mg EOD it will blow away other drugs at double the dosage.
1, test
2, tren
3, npp
4, dbol
5, regular deca
methyltrienolone belongs in there somewhere as well. I have guys running just 500mcg/day and NOTHING else (not what I recommend, but they're afraid of needles) and making progress and seeing changes in their physique that still baffles me.
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Drugs are illegal. No drugs for me thank you.
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Drugs are illegal. No drugs for me thank you.
Not all of them. :)
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Testosterone.
Whichever ester you can get cheap.
8)
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Test
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a beginner should use this regimen................. ..... primobolan, winstrol, anavar, equipoise, maybe 20 mg of dbol
A beginner should never follow this guys advice. Ever.
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Anabolic steroids were created because of the problems with straight testosterone. The russian Olympic lifters were injecting test because that's all they had prior to anabolic steroids and it created health nightmares.
how so
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Test alone is shit can't really replace it though. Test and mast if I could pick two.
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I have all short muscle bellies, large joints
and long attachments so steroid use for me would be beyond stupid.
I did like the fat burning from ephedrine though.
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MCT oil....
It's making a comeback... so is HMB ~ ::)
Maybe Bill Phillips will show up again also...
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what about masteron....i think that would be a close 2nd to test?
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how so
Supposedly their prostates were so swollen that they had to be catheterized. Now that I think about it, I wonder how accurate this statement is though....inability to urinate is a rare side effect
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So, ballpark figure, what can one expect from a moderate dosage of test, which is the consensus choice?
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Test E
Bench
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So, ballpark figure, what can one expect from a moderate dosage of test, which is the consensus choice?
Increased muscle mass of course
Increase in libido
Feeling of well being
More power in the gym
You`ll look great if diet is in order (some have a tendency to hold water while running Test)
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Plazmosis
Im still loving the feeling of this. I feel pumped all the time.
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Best answer truly is Test ~ hands down.
Pretty much every "real" bodybuilder already is aware of this fact.
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Watson Test cypionate.
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T-bombz II (Contains Estrogen, AIDS and Protein straight from the Tap)
Seriously though, Beats by Jay.
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Testosterona all the way.
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why would you use only 1 when everything is affordable and everything is available? it's not like any of us are so poor we can only use 1 bbing drug.
that's like asking a multi-millionaire (or billionaire.. whatever.. somebody who can buy anything/everything) what 1 car they'd drive if they could only choose one. why would they? when they can afford one for each day of the week? how 'bout some metaphors.. test= AMG S65, tren= Lambo Murcielago, deca= Porsche 911 turbo, npp= Porsche GT3, dbol= H1 Hummer, methyltrienolone = Pagani Zonda F, masteron= Aston Vanquish, primobolan= mazda Miata, anavar= volkswagon beetle, ect...
asking which 1 bbing drug is like asking what one kind of cereal you'd eat.
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Increased muscle mass of course
Increase in libido
Feeling of well being
More power in the gym
You`ll look great if diet is in order (some have a tendency to hold water while running Test)
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Is there anything legally obtained, i.e. Dr prescription or OTC you can add to Test to increase muscle mass?
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Don't use any bodybuilding drug at all. Even test will have a negative impact over the long run. Eat healthy and exercise.
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Don't use any bodybuilding drug at all. Even test will have a negative impact over the long run. Eat healthy and exercise.
Test. Done it all over the years.
I started Test at age 43, 30 YEARS AGO. I stopped lifting last Feb. due to genetic arthritis and its pain. So I cut my Test in half. I took up hiking 25 miles a week. I began feeling poopy and libido went into tank. 18 year younger wife puzzled. Had blood test and Doc bumped me back up. Feel great again. Looking forward to nooner today.
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Don't use any bodybuilding drug at all. Even test will have a negative impact over the long run. Eat healthy and exercise.
ur wrong there. HRT is healthy for all men over 40.
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I would pick dbol.
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Supposedly their prostates were so swollen that they had to be catheterized. Now that I think about it, I wonder how accurate this statement is though....inability to urinate is a rare side effect
if they had used finasteride however
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I would pick dbol.
probably most bang per buck
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Some kind of test.
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a lot say test but at what dosage?
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40 mgs a day of Dbol is POWERFUL.
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Dbol
I'd go off and on and get blood work.
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top ramen and tuna...
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DIANABOL
It HAS to be in a first cycle.
I know a lot of guys who don't consider using test as juicing. It's just a base, to which you
then add compounds to actually start juicing. Tren, orals etc. :D
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Nothing from WADA list, definitely 1 of pro rugby liquids ;)
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I would pick dbol.
Skittles of champions 8)
can't wait to try.
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crystallized creatine monohydrate
::)
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Didn't read the whole thread since this is such a stupid question...
TEST OF COURSE!
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Test. Done it all over the years.
I started Test at age 43, 30 YEARS AGO. I stopped lifting last Feb. due to genetic arthritis and its pain. So I cut my Test in half. I took up hiking 25 miles a week. I began feeling poopy and libido went into tank. 18 year younger wife puzzled. Had blood test and Doc bumped me back up. Feel great again. Looking forward to nooner today.
What type of dosage?
Have you had any side effects?
Thanks in advance.
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500mg test a wk for 12 weeks.
then the next cycle you add in something with your test. maybe some deca. see how that goes.
then your next cycle, you take the deca out. add in anavar and maybe eq. see how that goes.
then your next cycle you try tren ace, with the var or the deca or the eq./ see how you like that.
the whole idea is to build up a foundation, tolerances, and to see how your body responds to different compounds- taking 4-5 compounds you have never run before, let alone when you've never even used anabolics before, is asinine - how are you supposed to know what your responding best to?
over time you'll figure out which substances your body 'likes' better than others and you go with those once your ready to stop cycling, staying on low dose test year round, and cycling those other anabolics in depending on the look your after.
Very well said.
I don't know many guys who are so patient, however ... and the relatively low price of things like Thai Dbol (aside: hey, I know even their pinks are underdosed, but they worked like crazy for me in an ill-advised stand alone "cycle" many moons back) will see many people get into a mess.
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I would pick dbol.
Assuming that aas will be used in a "cycle" manner, this is the best choice... otherwise, if you're gonna stay on for extended periods, test is best simply because it is so mild
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Assuming that aas will be used in a "cycle" manner, this is the best choice... otherwise, if you're gonna stay on for extended periods, test is best simply because it is so mild
at what dosage?
so many say 500mg is best but then others say no more than 250 -300
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at what dosage?
so many say 500mg is best but then others say no more than 250 -300
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It seems like 250 is the standard dosage; bodybuilder, 500.
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Are we supposing that this is all in the absence of side effects and ruining my hormonal production altogether? Because I would go with T3 all the way. That said, T3 does fuck with your thyroid's ability to function on its own, and it is notably catabolic, so if I could have a COMBO, I'd go T3 and clen - because clen has been proven to be slightly anabolic. I don't know, my problem is never putting on muscle. My problem is putting on muscle without getting uncomfortably fat.
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Youth
Number one hands down!!
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Are we supposing that this is all in the absence of side effects and ruining my hormonal production altogether? Because I would go with T3 all the way. That said, T3 does fuck with your thyroid's ability to function on its own, and it is notably catabolic, so if I could have a COMBO, I'd go T3 and clen - because clen has been proven to be slightly anabolic. I don't know, my problem is never putting on muscle. My problem is putting on muscle without getting uncomfortably fat.
sounds like you need some tren,... lol.... kidding ;D
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How on earth is Clen slightly anabolic?!
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Lots of bro science here.
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Lots of bro science here.
Lots of roundhouse kicks waiting to be thrown.
Your fate rests in your hands.
What you?
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How on earth is Clen slightly anabolic?!
On humans Clen is anti-catabolic but it will not produce muscle only help you not lose muscle, however on animals it actually does have anabolic properties.
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at what dosage?
so many say 500mg is best but then others say no more than 250 -300
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That's gonna depend on your level of development and experience with juice...
100mg is true tesosterone-replacement level of dosage
250 is "enhanced" trt
500mg of good test will build a good physique
1g and up of test is where "shit gets real" in my opinion, but that's subjective
Supposedly many pros cruise on test&deca and then add short esters/orals to blast... test:deca was in a 2:1 ratio, 1-3g total
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Confusion = all bullshit. There are no experts here. Finally, the truth is exposed via no consensus. Bro science reigns on Getbig.
Imagine if someone is looking for advices?!
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Confusion = all bullshit. There are no experts here. Finally, the truth is exposed via no consensus. Bro science reigns on Getbig.
Imagine if someone is looking for advices?!
Finally, we have an expert to weigh in ;D
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Confusion = all bullshit. There are no experts here. Finally, the truth is exposed via no consensus. Bro science reigns on Getbig.
Imagine if someone is looking for advices?!
You are reading into this whole idea way too much, this is not ROCKET SCIENCE at all. I can bench press 500 lb so i will tell people what it takes to get there. I also can drop 40lb in 10 weeks and get shredded, call it bro science, I call it experience, getbig is the dominant ''go to site'' for info.
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Seems like most here have different experiences, therefore hold that advice. No wonder everyone is so confused. Use what works for you is not science.
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hard work is my drug!
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Seems like most here have different experiences, therefore hold that advice. No wonder everyone is so confused. Use what works for you is not science.
not at the top levels, sorry you are wrong, everyone at the top does the same shit, very little differences between the top bodybuilders. The one who try to re work the system and try different ways to obtain results are the ones who look like shit.
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That's gonna depend on your level of development and experience with juice...
100mg is true tesosterone-replacement level of dosage
250 is "enhanced" trt
500mg of good test will build a good physique
1g and up of test is where "shit gets real" in my opinion, but that's subjective
That's pretty accurate I'd say. W/ the real being real good or real bad. Mostly water bad though.
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not at the top levels, sorry you are wrong, everyone at the top does the same shit, very little differences between the top bodybuilders. The one who try to re work the system and try different ways to obtain results are the ones who look like shit.
Well, everyone can't be right in this thread. Why should there be so many differences for those not at the top?
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Well, everyone can't be right in this thread. Why should there be so many differences for those not at the top?
There is no conflict here. All steroids work relatively the same, there is
no wrong answer really.
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How on earth is Clen slightly anabolic?!
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03160909
see: Discussion
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Knowing what you don't know is better than bro science.
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Knowing what you don't know is better than bro science.
dude, what the fuck are you doing in a steroid discussion thread?
crawl on back to whatever forums you frequent that involve tying 50ft pieces of string to Jolly Ranchers; dslr's with telephoto lens', and searching for playgrounds on google-maps.
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dude, what the fuck are you doing in a steroid discussion thread?
crawl on back to whatever forums you frequent that involve tying 50ft pieces of string to Jolly Ranchers; dslr's with telephoto lens', and searching for playgrounds on google-maps.
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vince seems to forget he used his wifes anus to transport his dianabol in the 1970s
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http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03160909
see: Discussion
Don't give any attention to these type of reports and here is why.
The assumption in the report is that bodybuilders use it for anabolic purposes because studies classify CLEN as anabolic (only because their test subjects are animals) when in fact they are wrong when it comes to humans use. Bodybuilders use Clen for fat loss.
It is only anabolic on animals that have the proper receptors which humans do not, hence humans do not show any anabolic properties when it comes to Clen but it is anti-catabolic which is a really good thing when dieting.
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Well, everyone can't be right in this thread. Why should there be so many differences for those not at the top?
Not everyone is right because there is denial, deception and lies. Who wants to admit that it takes a walking pharmacy to look like a pro bodybuilder.
The protocols followed at the top of any field in life are always the same with very little differences but you think a boxer trains and lives differently then another boxer? or a Hockey player, all the same in any field.
Being creative and inventing a new wheel does not work.
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I can accept that the professionals have a level playing field re drugs. Fine tuning still goes on. However what is a novice to make of the advice given in this thread? Who is right? I don't buy the notion that all are relatively right.
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I can accept that the professionals have a level playing field re drugs. Fine tuning still goes on. However what is a novice to make of the advice given in this thread? Who is right? I don't buy the notion that all are relatively right.
oh I see what you are saying here. At the gym rat level there is some wild imaginations. lol :D
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Tren is not known for that, it is actually the oppisite cause you have a hard time sleeping
Lethargy and fatigue often co-exist with sleep problems.
NN
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Lethargy and fatigue often co-exist with sleep problems.
NN
ya I stand corrected on that post.
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onetimehard is a great poster, srs one of the most truthful when it comes to actual competitive bb
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On humans Clen is anti-catabolic but it will not produce muscle only help you not lose muscle, however on animals it actually does have anabolic properties.
Wow that's fascinating!
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I can accept that the professionals have a level playing field re drugs. Fine tuning still goes on. However what is a novice to make of the advice given in this thread? Who is right? I don't buy the notion that all are relatively right.
this thread was supposed to be providing advice? and here I was thinking it was a casual survey of people's preferences. my mistake.
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this thread was supposed to be providing advice? and here I was thinking it was a casual survey of people's preferences. my mistake.
basille is a cu nt
ignore him
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basille is a cu nt
ignore him
Love to kick him in the face one day
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Love to kick him in the face one day
yes my friend one of your patented roundhouse kicks to the face
is just what the doctor ordered
maybe with a side serving of anusol cream for his wives anus
forever burned by large quantities of dianabol
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yes my friend one of your patented roundhouse kicks to the face
is just what the doctor ordered
maybe with a side serving of anusol cream for his wives anus
forever burned by large quantities of dianabol
He must have loved his Dbol :-X
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He must have loved his Dbol :-X
yes to eat it covered in his wives peanuts
certainly shows his appreciation of corn flavoured steroids
im surprised he never patented the process
its more credible than his biceps machine
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onetimehard is a great poster, srs one of the most truthful when it comes to actual competitive bb
8) thanks bro and you have one hell of a physique, maybe a pro card in the future?
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