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Title: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: OneMoreRep on May 28, 2013, 05:29:51 AM
Big Ramy started working out 3 years ago and now he is already being considered a top tier pro.

Is he revolutionizing the "sport" by breaking down old practices?

Whereas many modern day IFBB pros will preach about the need to pay dues in order to excel, Ramy just went ahead and crossed over to the top tier category without having to break too much of a sweat.

Was it solely due to his physique or are we just seeing a change of tide in the "sport"?

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Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: MORTALCOIL on May 28, 2013, 05:31:28 AM
Maybe he just managed to suck ten years of cock in only three. Determination might be the key.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: _aj_ on May 28, 2013, 05:31:51 AM
I am glad that you quoted "sport".
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: OneMoreRep on May 28, 2013, 05:32:55 AM
Maybe he just managed to suck ten years of cock in only three. Determination might be the key.

I don't know...

Just last year, I didn't even know who he was. Today, he is being pegged as a probable top 5 Olympian.

When have we ever seen this type of phenomenon short of Phil Heath?

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Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: OneMoreRep on May 28, 2013, 05:34:02 AM
I am glad that you quoted "sport".

If I had not, you would have seen me crucified around these parts.

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Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: deviant on May 28, 2013, 05:36:32 AM
Yates went to the top pretty quickly....if you're good enough you wont get lost in the crowd.

The 'paying your dues' thing is often quoted by good but not outstanding pros who did nothing for the first few years until their physiques matured.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: bebop396 on May 28, 2013, 05:48:00 AM
He responds well to "supplements".
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: OneMoreRep on May 28, 2013, 05:51:14 AM
Here we have a picture of Big Ramy at home:

(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/PuIAapV_jcc/maxresdefault.jpg)

Will it come down to this:

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Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: OneMoreRep on May 28, 2013, 05:55:44 AM
We might crucify you for deleting yesterday's thread :) Did you regret posting your real name after all?

I didn't delete it.

I made it clear that once it hits 500 views, I would move it on over to the moderator's forum for Ron's review. Since then, member "TheThinker" has been placed in Time Out.

Regarding my personal information, I don't regret anyone knowing who I am. I have nothing to hide. I don't post up pictures in bunny suits or state things which go against my morals. Everyone (in real life) knows me for being both gay and outspoken with low tolerance towards anyone who pretends to be violent. They also know me for the quality of my work and my approach towards others.

Besides, during the SMM saga, I posted my entire name, home address, jiujitsu academy address and gym address. Doesn't get any more transparent than that..

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Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: chaos on May 28, 2013, 05:56:08 AM
I don't know...

Just last year, I didn't even know who he was. Today, he is being pegged as a probable top 5 Olympian.

When have we ever seen this type of phenomenon short of Phil Heath?

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What about that Russian guy that was suppose to dominate?
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: bebop396 on May 28, 2013, 05:58:24 AM
Phil Heath wins that comparison hands down...Ramy is huge, but he an ugly physique...
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Mr Nobody on May 28, 2013, 06:00:06 AM
What about that Russian guy that was suppose to dominate?
He took a vacation to Siberia probably be back in ten years.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: OneMoreRep on May 28, 2013, 06:02:02 AM
What about that Russian guy that was suppose to dominate?

You mean this young man?

(http://www.musclesprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alexander_fedorov.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=317848.0;attach=356511;image)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2252/2199775576_833cf86a5d_m.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=287447.0;attach=327466;image)

If so, I don't know...

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Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Raymondo on May 28, 2013, 06:03:51 AM
What about that Russian guy that was suppose to dominate?

Fedorov? Wasn't he a victim of Milos?
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: JasonH on May 28, 2013, 06:34:22 AM
Fedorov? Wasn't he a victim of Milos?

Not sure, but he tore his pec and wasn't quite the same after that.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 28, 2013, 07:11:46 AM
top 5 with his smooth physique?  Umm no.  He beat out a bunch of tier 3 guys at the NY Pro.  Not enough to be top 5.  He would need to be as ripped as possible then maybe.  But don't forget in the O you'll have heath, branch, wolf, scentofpanties, cutler, rhoden etc...
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: JediTerminator on May 28, 2013, 07:14:19 AM
Roelly won his first NY Pro... never been the same since... Ramy will be hyped like no other for the rest of the year. Big question is what does ZKK do now that Ramy has set a standard against him?
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Parker on May 28, 2013, 07:16:24 AM
top 5 with his smooth physique?  Umm no.  He beat out a bunch of tier 3 guys at the NY Pro.  Not enough to be top 5.  He would need to be as ripped as possible then maybe.  But don't forget in the O you'll have heath, branch, wolf, scentofpanties, cutler, rhoden etc...
And Cedric looked like he wasn't even supposed to be there...
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: yates fan on May 28, 2013, 08:33:41 AM
I can see ramy beating some of the Olympia top 6 from last year,i.e. branch,wolf and maybe even dex depending what shape dex comes in at.rhoden,kai,culer and heath will hard to match up to.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: ukjeff on May 28, 2013, 08:57:47 AM
Big Ramy started working out 3 years ago and now he is already being considered a top tier pro.

Is he revolutionizing the "sport" by breaking down old practices?

Whereas many modern day IFBB pros will preach about the need to pay dues in order to excel, Ramy just went ahead and crossed over to the top tier category without having to break too much of a sweat.

Was it solely due to his physique or are we just seeing a change of tide in the "sport"?

"1"

If guys can go from zero to winning pro shows in three years and its the shape of things to come then pro bodybuilding will be littered with corpses over the next few years.
Gaining that much size in three years takes a hell of a lot of medicine, and it certainly isn't doing the internal organs any good.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: bigmc on May 28, 2013, 09:30:19 AM
Big Ramy started working out 3 years ago and now he is already being considered a top tier pro.

Is he revolutionizing the "sport" by breaking down old practices?

Whereas many modern day IFBB pros will preach about the need to pay dues in order to excel, Ramy just went ahead and crossed over to the top tier category without having to break too much of a sweat.

Was it solely due to his physique or are we just seeing a change of tide in the "sport"?

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i wish him well

but my take is the amount of drugs needed to look like that

means his story will end badly
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 28, 2013, 09:31:58 AM
Isn't he working with Dennis James?  You know he is pharma'd to the max.  He will be burnt out in 2-3 years.  Ramy will be able to make big dollars doing schmoe sessions for the arab shieks

If guys can go from zero to winning pro shows in three years and its the shape of things to come then pro bodybuilding will be littered with corpses over the next few years.
Gaining that much size in three years takes a hell of a lot of medicine, and it certainly isn't doing the internal organs any good.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: no one on May 28, 2013, 09:32:02 AM
Big Ramy started working out 3 years ago and now he is already being considered a top tier pro.

Is he revolutionizing the "sport" by breaking down old practices?

Whereas many modern day IFBB pros will preach about the need to pay dues in order to excel, Ramy just went ahead and crossed over to the top tier category without having to break too much of a sweat.

Was it solely due to his physique or are we just seeing a change of tide in the "sport"?

"1"

no, its still very much in practise in all levels of competition. ramy is just too big to ignore, that all.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: njflex on May 28, 2013, 09:36:47 AM
no, its still very much in practise in all levels of competition. ramy is just too big to ignore, that all.
HE HAS MUSCLE ON TOP OF MUSCLE,MASS EVERYWHERE WHEN HE POSES ,PRETTY NO,FREAKY/HARD/MASSIVE YES..RHUL WAS SAME WAY AND EVENTUALLY HIS BODY WENT BY BYE...
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: arce1988 on May 28, 2013, 12:53:17 PM
  We shall see
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: bradistani on May 28, 2013, 01:02:21 PM
Big Ramy started working out 3 years ago and now he is already being considered a top tier pro.

Is he revolutionizing the "sport" by breaking down old practices?

Whereas many modern day IFBB pros will preach about the need to pay dues in order to excel, Ramy just went ahead and crossed over to the top tier category without having to break too much of a sweat.

Was it solely due to his physique or are we just seeing a change of tide in the "sport"?

"1"


they is jealous bitches.. his physique will (or not) do the talking...!
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: AR.2007 on May 28, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
Ramys strength is the current mr.Os weakness, think about it.

chest- ramy
legs- without question ramy!
back- idk maybe ramy or phil. Ramys wider but phil has detail. need to see a side by side.
delts- ramy
arms- ramy or phil. need to see side by side.
waist- both have good waists, but ramy is just SO MUCH BIGGER.

without politics and all that junk Ramy has a shot.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: AR.2007 on May 28, 2013, 01:15:37 PM
also paying your dues is different for each guy.

I remember watching in interview where Flex wheeler(the one with Ronnie and I think Shawn aswell and they were all sitting at the table) compared genetics to cars. I think he compared a Mercedes AMG to a Volkswagen. good genetics vs bad genetics. no matter what you do to it, the Mercedes is always going to be better/faster.

(^ maybe someone here can find the real interview, I don't have the exact details on how he compared them).

Ramy just has insane 1 out of a million type genetics. its like levrone, train for 6 months get 2nd at the Olympia, while the guy in 15th place trains everyday...its all about what God has given you.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Papper on May 28, 2013, 01:39:33 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480558.0;attach=519840;image)

Haha Ramy would have to first get to stand next to Heath and that is up to the judges and that's where the pay your dues thing and marketability aspect comes into play.

Even if he made it all the way up to Phil, Heath is already two steps ahead of the line ;D

Ramy has much better structure and denser looking muscle than Phil. To be fair, he has wider waist and is somewhat reminding me of Cutler's look.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: njflex on May 28, 2013, 01:42:41 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=480558.0;attach=519840;image)

Haha Ramy would have to first get to stand next to Heath and that is up to the judges and that's where the pay your dues thing and marketability aspect comes into play.

Even if he made it all the way up to Phil, Heath is already two steps ahead of the line ;D

Ramy has much better structure and denser looking muscle than Phil. To be fair, he has wider waist and is somewhat reminding me of Cutler's look.
BOTH LOOK LIKE THERE WEARING RUBBER SUIT IT DEPENDS ON WHO WEARS/SPORTS IT BETTER,,
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on May 28, 2013, 01:44:34 PM
Flex won all of the shows he enterd in 93 except the Olympia!
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 28, 2013, 01:51:49 PM
Flex won all of the shows he enterd in 93 except the Olympia!

Wrong

Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 28, 2013, 01:53:01 PM
Ramys strength is the current mr.Os weakness, think about it.

chest- ramy
legs- without question ramy!
back- idk maybe ramy or phil. Ramys wider but phil has detail. need to see a side by side.
delts- ramy
arms- ramy or phil. need to see side by side.
waist- both have good waists, but ramy is just SO MUCH BIGGER.

without politics and all that junk Ramy has a shot.

That would be cool if they judged parts not poses but that's not how it works.

Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: AR.2007 on May 28, 2013, 01:54:12 PM
That would be cool if they judged parts not poses but that's not how it works.



What? They don't judge body parts anymore? Lol
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 28, 2013, 02:01:21 PM
What? They don't judge body parts anymore? Lol

Lol  , they judge POSES you can't break down parts pick who has ' better ' ones and decide who should win off of that , not how it works. And it's not just poses it's poses AND density AND dryness AND size AND balance AND proportion AND posing AND presentation

Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on May 28, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
Wrong


He sure is fuck did! What show besides the Olympia did he enter and not win?
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 28, 2013, 02:05:12 PM
He sure is fuck did! What show besides the Olympia did he enter and not win?

Nope he lost the 1993 GP of England to Charles Clairmonte
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on May 28, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
That would be cool if they judged parts not poses but that's not how it works.


They used to give out best bodypart trophys in NPC and AAU and some pro shows, they need to bring that back!
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 28, 2013, 02:10:57 PM
They used to give out best bodypart trophys in NPC and AAU and some pro shows, they need to bring that back!

They were doing that for a while same with best posing.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: myosaurus on May 28, 2013, 02:15:35 PM
there was no ''paying your dues'' those who became pro and were immediate threat were placing high like Levrone and Wheeler.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 28, 2013, 02:20:44 PM
there was no ''paying your dues'' those who became pro and were immediate threat were placing high like Levrone and Wheeler.

I tend to agree with this , winners almost always separate themselves immediately , there are exceptions like Ronnie but he was an anomaly all around.
 
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on May 28, 2013, 02:23:37 PM
I want some of the crack you're smoking but no one touches phil when it comes to Arms. Ramy needs to sharpen his leg detail

Ramys strength is the current mr.Os weakness, think about it.

chest- ramy
legs- without question ramy!
back- idk maybe ramy or phil. Ramys wider but phil has detail. need to see a side by side.
delts- ramy
arms- ramy or phil. need to see side by side.
waist- both have good waists, but ramy is just SO MUCH BIGGER.

without politics and all that junk Ramy has a shot.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on May 28, 2013, 02:36:48 PM
Zero to Mr. Olympia in 3 years...Bob Chick and Tom Prince were right when they said "drugs are just the finishing touch" LOL!
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: beakdoctor on May 28, 2013, 04:41:04 PM
Paying your Dues? Jeezus chirst what the fuck does that even mean in this "sport."

Did big Ramy spend time riding the pine, spending extra hours learning the play book, took extra laps after practice? forgoes glory to set up solid plays for others? Is he a leader in the locker room?

How the fuck does one pay their dues in a beauty pagent? Either you look good or you don't. What a ridiculous notion.

Success in bodybuilding is all striated glutes, distended gut, synthoil and G4P....If he sticks to that plan and invests in the right thong he will go far.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: hbk29 on May 28, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
That would be cool if they judged parts not poses but that's not how it works.


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Big ramy is very good,but come on. How can you say that he has better arms than heath?Heath has the best arms sunce lee priest.  THEY both have good chest, but ramy has gyno
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: jude2 on May 28, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
Unlimited sponsored oil money will get u anywhere.
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Skeletor on May 28, 2013, 05:46:58 PM
Probably another Mustafa...

(http://petesteel.com/PRO%27S/mustafa-mohammad.jpg)
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Bevo on May 28, 2013, 05:52:57 PM
I can see ramy beating some of the Olympia top 6 from last year,i.e. branch,wolf and maybe even dex depending what shape dex comes in at.rhoden,kai,culer and heath will hard to match up to.

He ain't beating dex, dex is one of the best still competing only ones that can beat him consistently would be jay, Kai and Phil, Rhoden won't do it again at the O
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: Bevo on May 28, 2013, 05:53:55 PM
You mean this young man?

(http://www.musclesprod.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/alexander_fedorov.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=317848.0;attach=356511;image)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2252/2199775576_833cf86a5d_m.jpg)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=287447.0;attach=327466;image)

If so, I don't know...

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His unibrow didn't pay their dues therefore prevented him from winning
Title: Re: Does "Paying Dues" go out the window when you have the "right" physique?
Post by: BikiniSlut on May 28, 2013, 06:38:52 PM
Fuck paying your dues.  >:(

There should be no such fucking thing.