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Title: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Boost on June 03, 2013, 01:52:13 AM
I know several multilingual posters can hopefully shed some light on the challenges both of these languages present to the average dumb American/Brit/Aussie whose foreign language abilities are limited.


Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Donny on June 03, 2013, 01:59:33 AM
German is OK ... spanish donīt know....
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Kilo Medic on June 03, 2013, 02:01:44 AM
Spanish is fairly similar to English, sharing many words. 
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: calfzilla on June 03, 2013, 03:36:31 AM
Spanish is fairly similar to English, sharing many words. 

This.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: galain on June 03, 2013, 03:46:41 AM
Of the two I think Spanish is easier. German is where a lot of English vocab comes from, but the grammar is very complicated.

I think the foreign service put out a list of languages that rated the main ones in terms of time it took to become comfortable speaking them, and for English speakers I think it was Korean that topped out as the hardest to learn.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: calfzilla on June 03, 2013, 03:50:18 AM
I've studied Spanish and Arabic. Spanish was pretty easy but challenging. Arabic is difficult because its a whole different alphabet. I want to continue studying Arabic and also learn some Italian. Really like the way Italian sounds.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 03, 2013, 04:01:45 AM
I took private German lessons for ten weeks(had a baby, so it's been put on hold) and while there were a lot of similarities with sentence structure and cognates, it is still difficult. I had hoped to learn enough to be able to converse a bit by this Christmas when I go back, but I think that's very far fetched at this point. I have no Spanish, but had three years of French, but that didn't seem any easier really. At least with German, the letters are pronounced, no real "silent" ones like in french(ie c'est).
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: _bruce_ on June 03, 2013, 04:04:15 AM
German is a bitch - lots of practice is needed.
It never sounds as relaxed or smooth as English but in areas like theater and drama German is the bomb.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Parker on June 03, 2013, 04:04:45 AM
Spanish tends to be a little easier (and easier on the ears) than German, i would say.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: jon cole on June 03, 2013, 04:05:44 AM
vocabulary on german is easy and fun
grammar really sucks because of "declinaisons"
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 03, 2013, 05:31:04 AM
German is a bitch - lots of practice is needed.
It never sounds as relaxed or smooth as English but in areas like theater and drama German is the bomb.


What is your native language Bruce?
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: dj181 on June 03, 2013, 05:37:47 AM
German is a bitch - lots of practice is needed.
It never sounds as relaxed or smooth as English but in areas like theater and drama German is the bomb.


according to an x-German girlfriend of mine, you austrians are considered hillbillies and inferior to German people :D
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: RRKore on June 04, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
Not sure which is the toughest language for English speakers but it sure isn't Spanish or German.  Personally, I've found Thai to be ridiculously hard;
I've taken 5 semesters of college German and a year of (nothing but) Russian at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey (I was a Russian voice interceptor, MOS 98G, in the army) so I've always considered myself pretty talented when it comes to languages but trying to learn Thai humbled me.
Holy fuck, tonal languages suuuuuck!  Thai has 5 tones: low, medium, high, rising, and falling.  So you can have a word like "ma" have 5 completely different meanings depending on your tone.  I must say that the grammar is actually pretty simple (especially compared to Russian with its 6 cases) but then, when you try to learn thai's sanskrit-based writing system, it's all bad.  I have at least 10 Thai language instruction books but none explain the writing system clearly enough for me to catch on.  Oh well, guess I don't really need to communicate with my in-laws anyway, right?

Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Wiggs on June 04, 2013, 06:39:07 PM
Not even close. It's German. The sentence structure is often not the same as it is in English. This gives English speakers problems. It's not just the vocab. Once you get it down though, it becomes alot easier.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: calfzilla on June 04, 2013, 07:00:48 PM
Not sure which is the toughest language for English speakers but it sure isn't Spanish or German.  Personally, I've found Thai to be ridiculously hard;
I've taken 5 semesters of college German and a year of (nothing but) Russian at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey (I was a Russian voice interceptor, MOS 98G, in the army) so I've always considered myself pretty talented when it comes to languages but trying to learn Thai humbled me.
Holy fuck, tonal languages suuuuuck!  Thai has 5 tones: low, medium, high, rising, and falling.  So you can have a word like "ma" have 5 completely different meanings depending on your tone.  I must say that the grammar is actually pretty simple (especially compared to Russian with its 6 cases) but then, when you try to learn thai's sanskrit-based writing system, it's all bad.  I have at least 10 Thai language instruction books but none explain the writing system clearly enough for me to catch on.  Oh well, guess I don't really need to communicate with my in-laws thai ladyboys anyway, right?



Fixed.  ;D
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: el numero uno on June 04, 2013, 07:33:18 PM
I don't know about German but the grammar in Spanish is difficult even for native people. Speaking I don't think it would be that hard for a gringo.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Borracho on June 04, 2013, 07:37:03 PM
I don't know about German but the grammar in Spanish is difficult even for native people. Speaking I don't think it would be that hard for a gringo.

German pronunciation may be easier for them though...just sound pissed off all the time.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
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Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: el numero uno on June 04, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
German pronunciation may be easier for them though...just sound pissed off all the time.

LOL  :D

Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: doison on June 04, 2013, 07:42:14 PM
Looks like you're fluent in pansy.  I'm sure you can learn whatever language you want at this point
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: hardgainerj on June 04, 2013, 10:33:46 PM
Spanish is fairly similar to English, sharing many words. 
actually there a good quantity of falsefriends words
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: galain on June 04, 2013, 10:50:07 PM
Speak Spanish to God
Italian to women
and German to dogs

I said that to someone here (in Germany) and he just said "Ja - richtig."

Dutch is kinda cool though. It sounds like some English guy got drunk and tried to speak German.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Donny on June 05, 2013, 02:02:12 AM
Speak Spanish to God
Italian to women
and German to dogs

I said that to someone here (in Germany) and he just said "Ja - richtig."

Dutch is kinda cool though. It sounds like some English guy got drunk and tried to speak German.
well when i speak German.. a lot of Germans ask if i am Dutch because of my Scottish Accent...
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: G_Thang on June 05, 2013, 03:54:07 AM
88 weeks (2200 class hours)(about half that time preferably spent studying in-country)
Arabic

why, what's the reward vs. the risk for an american?
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Kilo Medic on June 05, 2013, 04:58:28 AM
actually there a good quantity of falsefriends words
True!
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: Psychopath on June 05, 2013, 05:18:46 AM
I know how to speak French (Quebec accent), Arabic, and English.

Don't know if i wana learn more.
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: calfzilla on June 05, 2013, 06:12:42 AM
I know how to speak French (Quebec accent), Arabic, and English.

Don't know if i wana learn more.

Did you live in an Arabic country to learn it? 
Title: Re: The hardest language for a native english speaker : German or Spanish?
Post by: BigCyp on June 05, 2013, 06:17:10 AM
Took me 5 blissful years to learn Ugandan during my 2 weeks work placement with the Red Cross there.