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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on June 03, 2013, 01:02:38 PM
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Why do people use them in lieu of steroids? I assume one cannot just stay on Pro Hormones and that all of it goes away like steroids. The gains seem minimal to non existent and some of you I have read said they are way more toxic than traditional steroids.
So why would anyone bother with them?
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Why do people use them in lieu of steroids? I assume one cannot just stay on Pro Hormones and that all of it goes away like steroids. The gains seem minimal to non existent and some of you I have read said they are way more toxic than traditional steroids.
So why would anyone bother with them?
Because at the time you could buy them from GNC, bb.com or any other store and not worry about being busted.
As for minimal gains, not true at all. Some were legit super strong, toxic yes, but gains were crazy.
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Why do people use them in lieu of steroids? I assume one cannot just stay on Pro Hormones and that all of it goes away like steroids. The gains seem minimal to non existent and some of you I have read said they are way more toxic than traditional steroids.
So why would anyone bother with them?
simple they cant get real gear
or they can justify taking them cause they are legal
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Scared to inject, pussys ;D
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Big Ach fuels their production.
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Because at the time you could buy them from GNC, bb.com or any other store and not worry about being busted.
As for minimal gains, not true at all. Some were legit super strong, toxic yes, but gains were crazy.
What is the purpose though if you have to just keep taking them or else it all goes away?
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What is the purpose though if you have to just keep taking them or else it all goes away?
you could say the same about training or dieting
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Easier to get for most people with usually no worries about legal issues.
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Big Ach fuels their production.
All nautral M1T, all natural cell tech bro
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Because if you take negative hormones you end up looking like dji'llneverweigh181
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you could say the same about training or dieting
Not really.
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Not really.
so you dont lose muscle if you stop training
or if you eat wrong
come one ;D
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so you dont lose muscle if you stop training
or if you eat wrong
come one ;D
Training is not detrimental to your health and you can do very little of it to maintain your best shape even.
What is eating wrong?
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What is the purpose though if you have to just keep taking them or else it all goes away?
Short term gain. nothing more. You use them to pack on some size quickly.
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Training is not detrimental to your health and you can do very little of it to maintain your best shape even.
What is eating wrong?
im sure you know what eating wrong is
so how little can you train to maintain your optimum shape and condition?
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Training is not detrimental to your health and you can do very little of it to maintain your best shape even.
What is eating wrong?
Eating wrong = 25 pop tarts a day and nothing else.
Eating right = 15 pop tarts a day plus mcdonalds.
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im sure you know what eating wrong is
so how little can you train to maintain your optimum shape and condition?
I can only assume eating "wrong" is either eating too much or eating too little or not meeting your nutritional needs. You would have to go out of your way to do any of those things.
Maintaining shape and condition on minimum amount of training would be a good experiment. I think its safe to say someone could do so with 1-3 days of training. They may even be able to maintain without any weights with other forms of training. Its a good question worth pursuing for some people.
Not for me though, I love to lift weights as I get great satisfaction and enjoyment from it and the health benefits are undeniable. Even if I never got any gains whatsoever, I would still lift weights. I really like doing it.
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Eating wrong = 25 pop tarts a day and nothing else.
Eating right = 15 pop tarts a day plus mcdonalds.
Why would you purposely go out of your way to eat so many poptarts? Although you guys would probably say the same about me and my Ice Cream habit as of late. 780 of my calories of my 2600 today already have been ice cream and sometimes I will eat nearly 1500 of them in Ice Cream lately. :D
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I can only assume eating "wrong" is either eating too much or eating too little or not meeting your nutritional needs. You would have to go out of your way to do any of those things.
Maintaining shape and condition on minimum amount of training would be a good experiment. I think its safe to say someone could do so with 1-3 days of training. They may even be able to maintain without any weights with other forms of training. Its a good question worth pursuing for some people.
Not for me though, I love to lift weights as I get great satisfaction and enjoyment from it and the health benefits are undeniable. Even if I never got any gains whatsoever, I would still lift weights. I really like doing it.
i agree with most of this
the joy of training and the mental benefits are just as important as the results in my opinion
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I can only assume eating "wrong" is either eating too much or eating too little or not meeting your nutritional needs. You would have to go out of your way to do any of those things.
Maintaining shape and condition on minimum amount of training would be a good experiment. I think its safe to say someone could do so with 1-3 days of training. They may even be able to maintain without any weights with other forms of training. Its a good question worth pursuing for some people.
Not for me though, I love to lift weights as I get great satisfaction and enjoyment from it and the health benefits are undeniable. Even if I never got any gains whatsoever, I would still lift weights. I really like doing it.
Imagine the joy of being The King of Shrugs.
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legal alternative to steroids for assholes who want to call themselves "natty"
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Scared to inject, pussys ;D
Bingo!
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To make money
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Thats alotta ice cream. Dang
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Probably easier to obtain and legal.
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OP just stfu, you don't know what you are talking about.
Oral steroids and prohormones are the same shit , just one has a chemical structure which isnt illegal and one does.
Pheraplex and superdrol are two steroids that where marketed as "prohormones" that are now illegal and you get them from UGL's... Would you be surprised to know that they are basically the strongest oral steroids available ANYWHERE ? I know people who would rather run pheraplex than ANY other oral
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prohormones were made as a legal alternative to roids
i think
other than that they are pretty much like roids, so made to help user reach certain goals, and generate profits for manufacturer
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prohormones were made as a legal alternative to roids
i think
other than that they are pretty much like roids, so made to help user reach certain goals, and generate profits for manufacturer
They where not " made "
They where just taken from Vida's book and copied by rouge chemists (cough*patrick*cough) and sold to Americans.
All those steroids existed 50-60 years ago and it is documented.. There is so many of them that are not illegal and have not been looked into/mass produced.. but will be in some years.
it's just the whole steroid stigma in the west... Every one is so paranoid and lies about it.
My cousin who lives in croatia was over my house the other week and we where talking about things and infront of my mom he starts talking about the sustonon , test prop, trenbolone and hgh he was taking ( in a rough accent ) .. He didn't give a single fuk and didn't feel any need to be ashamed of it, even his mom or something injected him, I cant recall... But over there you go to a pharmacy and buy the stuff .. no one cares really. Over in the west it's so taboo and crap that every one avoids talking about it. It's so distubring. You get guys who want to buy gear off of you pretending that's it's for their friend and making all sort of elaborate lies like you actually give a fuk what they want to do. Weird , weird times.
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They where not " made "
They where just taken from Vida's book and copied by rouge chemists (cough*patrick*cough) and sold to Americans.
All those steroids existed 50-60 years ago and it is documented.. There is so many of them that are not illegal and have not been looked into/mass produced.. but will be in some years.
it's just the whole steroid stigma in the west... Every one is so paranoid and lies about it.
My cousin who lives in croatia was over my house the other week and we where talking about things and infront of my mom he starts talking about the sustonon , test prop, trenbolone and hgh he was taking ( in a rough accent ) .. He didn't give a single fuk and didn't feel any need to be ashamed of it, even his mom or something injected him, I cant recall... But over there you go to a pharmacy and buy the stuff .. no one cares really. Over in the west it's so taboo and crap that every one avoids talking about it. It's so distubring. You get guys who want to buy gear off of you pretending that's it's for their friend and making all sort of elaborate lies like you actually give a fuk what they want to do. Weird , weird times.
Yes this is true. All the pro-hormones/ oral steroids that were never brought to the market were all jacked by legal gear from julias vidas book. However their is a diffrence between a pro-hormone and a designer steroid. A pro-hormone converts to a parent hormone and those products are shit, but the designer orals that didn't go through a coversion phase like M1T, superdrol, the very first original halodrol-50 that was sold just for a few weeks were 3 of the most potent oral steroids anybody can use! So many pro bodybuilders use superdrol,M1T, halodrol-50 and ,many inject 1-test cypionate. Many of these products were released legally and just crush the old traditional oral steroids. I do agree that pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone are crap(in example- ergopharms 1-AD converted to 1-testosterone) it is way better to buy the 1-testosterone undecanoate or better yet if you are not scared to inject just buy the injectable 1-Testosterone cypionate. At that time in 2004 there was a company who made injectable products,of course they told customers to take the liquid with a oral syringe but if you emailed the owner and asked him if the products were ok to inject he said yes! they were in sterile MTC oil and perfectly fine to inject.
I have tried every oral steroid and I have to honestly say the strongest oral steroid I tried was the very original Gaspari halodrol-50 sold at the 2005 Olympia. gaspari ended up changing the formula 3 times but the very first formula was some potent stuff! very similar to anadrol. the gains were just as rapid but the gains were leaner and you felt a better sense of well being. sometimes anadrol makes you a little sick the first few days but not the halodrol-50 it made me feel great and you gained muscle on top of muscle. the shit was crazy. many will say the same about superdrol and M1T both produced insane muscle. M1T put on gains similar to trenbolone.
I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.
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A mental loophole for people who don't want to break the law, but want an edge.
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Because if you take negative hormones you end up looking like dji'llneverweigh181
lol
but maybe illweigh176 ;D
spider-man is 165
(http://nadaladas.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/spider-man-romita.jpg)
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Took them when they first came out! They worked well, I was 215 with 12% b.f. at 5'9"! I also trained my ass off!
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they come as orals, ppl think theyre less dangerous than steroids, the opposite is true.
they scared to inject so they have the orals, and they been legal blabla, i dont know why ppl take them, theyre very toxic.
however, good gains are possible, theyre the same thing as steroids.
its steroids with legal label on them
Good post right here. Lots of experience with ph early on when they came out. They are just tweaked each time they become banned. I was taking A1-D and ended up pissing blood. It was ugly. But I did gain a bunch of size. Everytime I get an MRI they mention a cyst on my liver, my guess it came from the ph.
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lol
but maybe illweigh176 ;D
spider-man is 165
(http://nadaladas.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/spider-man-romita.jpg)
Good to see your sense of humor is coming around :)
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Good post right here. Lots of experience with ph early on when they came out. They are just tweaked each time they become banned. I was taking A1-D and ended up pissing blood. It was ugly. But I did gain a bunch of size. Everytime I get an MRI they mention a cyst on my liver, my guess it came from the ph.
I once heard a steroid user say that years ago in the gym-pissing blood. How does that happen?
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I once heard a steroid user say that years ago in the gym-pissing blood. How does that happen?
Not sure exactly what causes it but I remember my kidneys feeling like a truck was driving through them. I am talking 1/2 piss and 1/2 blood. Not just a few drops here and there. It happened all at once too. I stopped immediately and it cleared up in about 10 days if I remember right. I was taking quite a bit more than the suggested dose. More is better right?? lol
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Superdrol made me gain strength fast, but the lower back pumps were fucking painful. Some say it is water, others say it is pain in your kidneys. Either way a couple weeks on it and I had to stop.
Fizogen made one called ON cycle. the original was fucking awesome. My body transformed on it.
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Superdrol made me gain strength fast, but the lower back pumps were fucking painful. Some say it is water, others say it is pain in your kidneys. Either way a couple weeks on it and I had to stop.
Fizogen made one called ON cycle. the original was fucking awesome. My body transformed on it.
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There have been many great ones on the market. I thought 1-AD (sorry I wrote it wrong above) was much stronger than dbol. ON cycle was another one. The sides from On cycle were not as bad. One of my favorites with basically no sides was the Bodybuilding.com brand "Higher Power" of M1T. I got jacked and minimal water retention. I am not sure what is on the market currently. Since I have a script for cyp I don't mess with orals.
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Yes this is true. All the pro-hormones/ oral steroids that were never brought to the market were all jacked by legal gear from julias vidas book. However their is a diffrence between a pro-hormone and a designer steroid. A pro-hormone converts to a parent hormone and those products are shit, but the designer orals that didn't go through a coversion phase like M1T, superdrol, the very first original halodrol-50 that was sold just for a few weeks were 3 of the most potent oral steroids anybody can use! So many pro bodybuilders use superdrol,M1T, halodrol-50 and ,many inject 1-test cypionate. Many of these products were released legally and just crush the old traditional oral steroids. I do agree that pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone are crap(in example- ergopharms 1-AD converted to 1-testosterone) it is way better to buy the 1-testosterone undecanoate or better yet if you are not scared to inject just buy the injectable 1-Testosterone cypionate. At that time in 2004 there was a company who made injectable products,of course they told customers to take the liquid with a oral syringe but if you emailed the owner and asked him if the products were ok to inject he said yes! they were in sterile MTC oil and perfectly fine to inject.
I have tried every oral steroid and I have to honestly say the strongest oral steroid I tried was the very original Gaspari halodrol-50 sold at the 2005 Olympia. gaspari ended up changing the formula 3 times but the very first formula was some potent stuff! very similar to anadrol. the gains were just as rapid but the gains were leaner and you felt a better sense of well being. sometimes anadrol makes you a little sick the first few days but not the halodrol-50 it made me feel great and you gained muscle on top of muscle. the shit was crazy. many will say the same about superdrol and M1T both produced insane muscle. M1T put on gains similar to trenbolone.
I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.
yeah i heard good things about halodrol-50, didn't the original one exist way back in the 80's though? also i believe gaspari's making a new halodrol-50 now which is just a supplement, so it's hard to find info on the original. i heard someone's making a clone called h-drol though?
i agree though, lots of hidden gems in the designer steroid market, i'm all for them. i love when new things come out that are effective, but i'm kind of a drug enthusiast so i'd like to try a lot of things at least once. methyltrienolone scares the crap out of me though, dunno if i even want to try that one. apparently there's a methyl nandrolone floating around too which seems interesting.
what do you think of this new SARMs trend?
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Original halodrol-50 was halodrol(oral turinalbol) + madol( pheraplex)
clones called hdrol are every where, but it only has halodrol, no madol, which is the uber strong stuff
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Original halodrol-50 was halodrol(oral turinalbol) + madol( pheraplex)
clones called hdrol are every where, but it only has halodrol, no madol, which is the uber strong stuff
wasn't tbol already illegal by then, though?
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Because at the time you could buy them from GNC, bb.com or any other store and not worry about being busted.
As for minimal gains, not true at all. Some were legit super strong, toxic yes, but gains were crazy.
back in 1997 and 1998 before the baseball bust on these Pro-Hormones, they were selling them everywhere like hot cakes...hell, high school kids everywhere were buying this shit at GNC and the instant, brief results were amazing...I remember buying Andro-Poppers from GNC and these little pills were so effective for the 4 weeks intake period.
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back in 1997 and 1998 before the baseball bust on these Pro-Hormones, they were selling them everywhere like hot cakes...hell, high school kids everywhere were buying this shit at GNC and the instant, brief results were amazing...I remember buying Andro-Poppers from GNC and these little pills were so effective for the 4 weeks intake period.
Yea my buddy was taking those. Said they tasted terrible but worked.
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I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.
Half the time Kneller's formulations had the wrong fucking steroids in them. Even back when Kneller sold steroids under the Red Star of China label I remember he sold tren as masteron.
The steroids sold under Gaspari contained the wrong steroid many times. Many of the other non-hormonal Gaspari supps were spiked with illegal ingredients. I was reminded of this just now reading Patrick Arnold's comments on Facebook. Kneller doesn't work for Gaspari anymore as far as I know, but supposedly, and I would trust PA, Gaspari's current product, Detonate, contains an
illegal meth analogue. Plasmajet contained a Viagra analogue.
Lots of scumbags in this industry. Even if Kneller had great "powder connections" you still didn't know what the fuck you were ingesting.
http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html
I once heard a steroid user say that years ago in the gym-pissing blood. How does that happen?
Probably a burst blood vessel from jacking off too much. Seriously. Or eating beets or whatever.
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LOL, Patrick linked to a thread on thermolife forums and I see "duchaine" posting some funny
shit about scumbag Kneller.
Example:
http://www.thermolife.com/forum/post40637-203/
http://www.thermolife.com/forum/post40649-209/
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Yes this is true. All the pro-hormones/ oral steroids that were never brought to the market were all jacked by legal gear from julias vidas book. However their is a diffrence between a pro-hormone and a designer steroid. A pro-hormone converts to a parent hormone and those products are shit, but the designer orals that didn't go through a coversion phase like M1T, superdrol, the very first original halodrol-50 that was sold just for a few weeks were 3 of the most potent oral steroids anybody can use! So many pro bodybuilders use superdrol,M1T, halodrol-50 and ,many inject 1-test cypionate. Many of these products were released legally and just crush the old traditional oral steroids. I do agree that pro-hormones that have to convert to a parent hormone are crap(in example- ergopharms 1-AD converted to 1-testosterone) it is way better to buy the 1-testosterone undecanoate or better yet if you are not scared to inject just buy the injectable 1-Testosterone cypionate. At that time in 2004 there was a company who made injectable products,of course they told customers to take the liquid with a oral syringe but if you emailed the owner and asked him if the products were ok to inject he said yes! they were in sterile MTC oil and perfectly fine to inject.
I have tried every oral steroid and I have to honestly say the strongest oral steroid I tried was the very original Gaspari halodrol-50 sold at the 2005 Olympia. gaspari ended up changing the formula 3 times but the very first formula was some potent stuff! very similar to anadrol. the gains were just as rapid but the gains were leaner and you felt a better sense of well being. sometimes anadrol makes you a little sick the first few days but not the halodrol-50 it made me feel great and you gained muscle on top of muscle. the shit was crazy. many will say the same about superdrol and M1T both produced insane muscle. M1T put on gains similar to trenbolone.
I guess it also depends on what brand you got as some of the brands were more potent. Alot of the companys had 98% raw materials.Some of the companys did not get as pure of powder and they put out shittier variations of these products. When purchasing M1T,superdrol,halodrol-50 it was way better to spend the extra money and go with the well known supplement brands. gaspari had kneller putting out great product,designer supplements had matt cahill putting out heat. Both were very skilled at what they did and had great powder connections.
Injectable 1-T cyp was killer. I have tried almost all of that stuff, and they mostly worked like mad. I do believe at times in the past there was a little bit more to some of those supps than was listed on the label. Those Ergopharm nasal sprays were very solid for example.
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Half the time Kneller's formulations had the wrong fucking steroids in them. Even back when Kneller sold steroids under the Red Star of China label I remember he sold tren as masteron.
The steroids sold under Gaspari contained the wrong steroid many times. Many of the other non-hormonal Gaspari supps were spiked with illegal ingredients. I was reminded of this just now reading Patrick Arnold's comments on Facebook. Kneller doesn't work for Gaspari anymore as far as I know, but supposedly, and I would trust PA, Gaspari's current product, Detonate, contains an
illegal meth analogue. Plasmajet contained a Viagra analogue.
Lots of scumbags in this industry. Even if Kneller had great "powder connections" you still didn't know what the fuck you were ingesting.
http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html
Probably a burst blood vessel from jacking off too much. Seriously. Or eating beets or whatever.
Well I know the very original Halodrol-50 made by bruce kneller for gaspari was tested by Don catlin at the UCLA Lab and they found the turinabol precursor in it as well as DMT(desoxy methyl testosterone) and it also had a masking agent in it. I don't think bruce fucked with the designer drugs or prohormones he was making for gaspari but I do know he did misslabel some of his red star products. But it is true kneller did travel to china and got his powder connection, knellers wife spoke fluent mandarin as she was chinese. All knellers powders were top quality. I think kneller also put out some shitty bolasterone at one point but I think the misslabeling was before he started making trips to china.
Patrick arnold is better with creating designer steroids and has hook-ups and great raws but he got in trouble over all that balco bullshit and was always getting heat for releasing products where other companys would release the same shit and they wouldn't get fucked with like patrick did. Author L Rea was another guy who had some good powder connections.
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yeah i heard good things about halodrol-50, didn't the original one exist way back in the 80's though? also i believe gaspari's making a new halodrol-50 now which is just a supplement, so it's hard to find info on the original. i heard someone's making a clone called h-drol though?
i agree though, lots of hidden gems in the designer steroid market, i'm all for them. i love when new things come out that are effective, but i'm kind of a drug enthusiast so i'd like to try a lot of things at least once. methyltrienolone scares the crap out of me though, dunno if i even want to try that one. apparently there's a methyl nandrolone floating around too which seems interesting.
what do you think of this new SARMs trend?
well the original halodrol-50 was mimicked oral turinabol wich was used by the east german athletes wich was part of a whole doping scandal run by the government to win gold in the olympics . They used it with the womens swimming team and they all looked like musclar men,just nasty looking and ripped like a male BB. But the halodrol-50 also had DMT in it and a masking agent . It was amazing shit. I have tried just straight british Dragon Oral Turinabol and it worked very well but nothing like the very first run halodrol-50.
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Original halodrol-50 was halodrol(oral turinalbol) + madol( pheraplex)
clones called hdrol are every where, but it only has halodrol, no madol, which is the uber strong stuff
well your right it did mimic oral turinabol and it also had DMT(desoxy methyl testosterone) in it that was like what the very original ergomax LMG by ALRI was. To my knowledge pheraplex was just a 2 ene structure and was not DMT. otherwise when they sub-contracted out to anabolic xtreme they would not of had ALRI make them ergomax LMG wich was DMT and also have designer supplements sub-contract phera-plex to them so they had to be diffrent. There also was a masking agent in the original first run halodrol-50. most of the very first run of halodrol-50 was sold at the 2005 Olympia very few boxes got sold online.
I think Bulk nutrition had a few boxes for a week or so but that was it, then gaspari had kneller take out the DMT and the masking agent and all you had was a Tbol prescursor still very effective but not even close to the original first run.Then gaspari changed the structure again and it was just a herbal type supplement almost worthlesss. Gaspari even had orastan-E wich was like winstrol but Gaspari made a small run of orastan-A wich if you were connected to the company you could get a few cases and a few of Richs friends got some cases but if you called to order Orastan-A they claimed it did not exist.Yet I had a case of it when I called.
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Well I know the very original Halodrol-50 made by bruce kneller for gaspari was tested by Don catlin at the UCLA Lab and they found the turinabol precursor in it as well as DMT(desoxy methyl testosterone) and it also had a masking agent in it. I don't think bruce fucked with the designer drugs or prohormones he was making for gaspari but I do know he did misslabel some of his red star products.
Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.
The Halodrol-50 label further states that it contains polydehydrogenated, polyhydroxylated halomethetioallocholane. Catlin described that chemical descriptor as "hocus-pocus." He said the language was outdated and vague and appeared to be deliberately misleading. The label makes no mention of DMT or other anabolic steroids.
"It's obfuscation," Catlin said. "There is no attempt to be clear and concise and to describe the product for what it is."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html
Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?
Author L Rea was another guy who had some good powder connections.
Rea is another fuckhead who spiked his products with drugs many times.
http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-warns-against-Venom-sibutramine-supplements
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oliveira-suspended-for-illegal-supplement
These guys deserve a severe beating at the least.
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Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html
Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?
It's a good question. In a sense some of that stuff was actually doing people a favor if they wanted gains. On the other hand being mislabeled is dishonest to people who don't know any better. I'm not sure what to think about it. Those old Ergo supps worked like mad. The old Adipo Kenetix was fucking nuts too. Slightly different topic, but crazy good supp, better than clen.
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It's a good question. In a sense some of that stuff was actually doing people a favor if they wanted gains. On the other hand being mislabeled is dishonest to people who don't know any better. I'm not sure what to think about it. Those old Ergo supps worked like mad. The old Adipo Kenetix was fucking nuts too. Slightly different topic, but crazy good supp, better than clen.
I know lots of kids in the gym who say they never took steroids. I sometimes ask if they took Jungle Warfare. If they say yes, then I say yes you did take steroids. :D
I don't see this as a favor of any kind. The product should contain exactly what's on the label and nothing else.
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Gaspari even had orastan-E wich was like winstrol but Gaspari made a small run of orastan-A wich if you were connected to the company you could get a few cases and a few of Richs friends got some cases but if you called to order Orastan-A they claimed it did not exist.Yet I had a case of it when I called.
Did you see my link re Orastan? Like winstrol my ass.
http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html
Steroids. 2009 Mar;74(3):322-8. doi: 10.1016/j.steroids.2008.11.006. Epub 2008 Nov 17.
Identification of steroid isoxazole isomers marketed as designer supplement.
Parr MK, Gütschow M, Daniels J, Opfermann G, Thevis M, Schänzer W.
Source
Center for Preventive Doping Research, Institute of Biochemistry, German Sport University Cologne, Carl-Diem-Weg 6, 50933 Cologne, Germany. m.parr@biochem.dshs-koeln.de
Abstract
The product Orastan-A from Gaspari Nutrition was analyzed for its steroid content. According to the labeling, it is supposed to contain "5a-Androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether", also called furazadrol-THP ether. The GC-MS analyses of the liberated steroids (after extraction from the capsule matrix and cleavage of the THP ether, TMS-derivative and underivatized) revealed mass spectra of two components, both inconsistent with the labeling. Thus, the steroids were characterized by different analytical techniques such as mass spectrometry, nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy and X-ray crystal structure analysis. They were identified as 17beta-hydroxyandrostano[3,2-c]isoxazole and -[2,3-d]isoxazole.
PMID:
19061909
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Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html
Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?
Rea is another fuckhead who spiked his products with drugs many times.
http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-warns-against-Venom-sibutramine-supplements
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oliveira-suspended-for-illegal-supplement
These guys deserve a severe beating at the least.
well what I said was in the original halodrol-50 as you saw for yourself was in those tablets. You have to understand they wanted to be vague about what was in the product to get it on the market. Yes what they did was shadey but that was one bad-ass product! The ingredients were silly and very vague! gaspari made no mention of any molecular structure or the DMT,masking agent,nothing! But all I have to say is that product was pure heat! By far the best oral I have tried and I have tried them all! The original halodrol-50 was like taking a form of anadrol that yielded nothing but lean muscle. anadrol with no water retention and crazy strength gains.I agree it was ver sleaxy sales tactics but they wanted to avoid the FDA.
Author L Rea same thing he brought out great products but was very vague on what it really was. I never said I agreed with alot of his products but he did have a good powder connection.
I think Patrick Arnold is the best in the game but unfortunately he could not bring any products like that to the market due to the trouble he had been in for his role in the Balco scandal.
I agree it was a shadey way tpo conduct business and was missleading but when it came down to that first batch of halodrol-50 it was the best steroid ever! I have never used anything that could come close to those gains except maybe high quality trenbolone but the halodrol was cleaner then tren-IMO I didnlt experience any sides and I packed on muscle on top of muscle with insane strength gains and great overall sense of well being. way better then real Turinabol and I have taken real potent turinabol befor I took the halodrol-50.
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Did you see my link re Orastan? Like winstrol my ass.
http://www.ergo-log.com/orastanatest.html
have you tried orastan-E or orastan-A? I have tried real british dragon winstrol 50mg tablets and british dispensary azolol. very similar but of course it is not going to be exactly like winstrol. I never talked up orastan-E or A. I know they were effective but I was more impressed with halodrol-50, M1T ,superdrol and 1-Test cypionate. those are the 4 compounds I found very potent steroids and could match up with the most potent steroids.
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Yes he did. It did contain the wrong compounds. It was mislabeled, a complete scumbag move by Gaspari/Kneller. It's like buying Primo and it containing testosterone and tren too. Sure it might work well but it's beside the point. They are scammers and crooks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/29/AR2005112901636.html
Do you think this type of stuff is forgivable?
Rea is another fuckhead who spiked his products with drugs many times.
http://www.ergo-log.com/delta6methyltestosterone.html
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Regulation/FDA-warns-against-Venom-sibutramine-supplements
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/oliveira-suspended-for-illegal-supplement
These guys deserve a severe beating at the least.
you have to realize at that time they already had a huge pro-hormone/designer steroid ban in jan 2005. all these compounds mentioned came out after jan 20th 2005 and they had to be careful and very vague listing the real ingredients. they wanted to make money but not get taken down by the fda or dea. was it the right thing to do? probably not but money makes people greedy and they will do anything for more money even if it means making the ingredients very vague and leaving customers taking risks on what they are taking. that is why you wait for others to take it and see what kind of gains and side effects they are experiencing.I am glad they brought the halodrol-50 to the market as it was a treat to be able to use that product.
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oh shit, van b's posting again? awesome