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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
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Lol at thinking avxo is the guy that's going to try and spin something.
Avxo is about the most even handed poster on this board
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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
you mean enter axvo for something intelligent
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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
Coach is still butthurt from avxo's posts..
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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
Huh? What are you talking about? I don't support obamacare and never have.
The only one spinning anything is you. And you know what? That's fine. Everyone here sees you for what you are - an idiot regurgitating what others write or say, never backing anything. You engage in histrionics, subscribe to conspiracy theories, and you suffer from delusions. And, somehow, despite all that, you manage to fling mud as expertly as a monkey flings shit.
You are what's wrong with this country asshole. An uninformed, unthinking idiot, who is closer in spirit to the uninformed, unthinking idiots on the left than you are with anyone on the right. You are just like the leftist nutjobs you despise because you are going to cast your ballot using exactly the same criteria they do: based on nothing more than party affiliation and will consider anyone who's not as blindly partisan and who looks at issues without bias the enemy.
You offend me.
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FWIW, A very small percentage of the cost will be offset by fines levied against people, doctors, and hospitals that refuse to participate. :)
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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
To stupid for words. You are a hack.
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...will cost a minimum of $20k per family. So much for not costing anything more. He must have been hitting the choom pretty fucking hard when he said that. BTW, I was right about that as well. Enter axvo for the spin.
the spin is you got lied to again and you fell for it just like you always do and then came running here to remind everyone what a sucker you are
what I don't understand is why you're just posting this lie now since it was first floated in January
http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/021513-644675-obamacare-cheapest-plan-wont-cost-20000.htm
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/
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You are what's wrong with this country asshole. An uninformed, unthinking idiot, who is closer in spirit to the uninformed, unthinking idiots on the left than you are with anyone on the right. You are just like the leftist nutjobs you despise because you are going to cast your ballot using exactly the same criteria they do: based on nothing more than party affiliation and will consider anyone who's not as blindly partisan and who looks at issues without bias the enemy.
You offend me.
Extreme political rhetoric and blind hate aside, I like Joe, and I think he's a good guy, he just thinks with his emotions instead of his brain. That said, holy fucking shit this post is brutal.
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the spin is you got lied to again and you fell for it just like you always do and then came running here to remind everyone what a sucker you are
what I don't understand is why you're just posting this lie now since it was first floated in January
http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/021513-644675-obamacare-cheapest-plan-wont-cost-20000.htm
http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/obamacare-to-cost-20000-a-family/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/what-a-disaster-obamacare-will-cost-a-family-20000-per-year/
The cheapest Obamacare health insurance plan will cost a family $20,000 per year.
Americans will be forced to purchase the plan or face the Obama IRS.
CNS News reported:
In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.
Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.
The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.
The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.
“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family
(CNSNews.com) – In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.
Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.
The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.
The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.
“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.
Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.
In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.
To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.
In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.
Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.
For those wondering how clear the IRS's clarifications of this new "penalty" rule are, here is one of the actual examples the IRS gives:
“Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.
"(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.
"(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 - $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).
"(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000).”
CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS.
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About "factcheck"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2923825/posts
Factcheck.org -- A Fraudulent "Fact Check" Site Funded By Biased Political Group
If you wanted to use a devious method to deceive people who are trying to differentiate between truth and lies on the Internet how would you do it? If you were extremely devious and had no conscience, you might set up a Web site with some official and unbiased sounding name that claims to be the encyclopedia of truth to be used as a tool for anyone who has the same biased view and wants to make believe to "back it up" with what they would like you to think is "indisputable fact."
That is exactly what Web sites like factcheck.org are. They are biased, politically motivated propaganda Web sites, manned and funded by biased political organizations who set up the sites for the sole purpose of deviously "backing up" the political arguments of those who hold the same views that they do. It's kind of like you have a friend who is in on your lie, and you use him to back up your story and don't tell anyone else he is your friend.
Just because they use a name that implies unbiased assessments, doesn't mean that they provide them. You can call your Web site anything you want. I can set up a web site called thetruth.org or realfacts.com or stopthelies.org and post any kind of biased political propaganda I want on it. The name means nothing. And in the case of sites like factcheck.org, the name is intentionally misleading and deceptive. But it isn't the only so called "fact check" site that is a fraud. There are others.
Think about it. Would you rely on any particular Web site to get the "truth?" Anyone honest would tell you that you should NOT rely solely on them to get your facts. You should get them by considering many different and sources, with different points of view and opinions and arrive at what you believe to be the truth by using your own God given senses. Only con artists purport to be the de facto source of truth.
If you look behind the scenes at these phony "fact check" sites, you find that they are funded by organizations with political biases. You must always ask yourself. Who is writing about this so-called "truth." Who funds the site and pays their expenses. What are the origins and history of the funders and who are they associated with. In the case of factcheck.org they receive their funding from the liberal Annenberg Foundation.
The Annenberg Foundation was originally founded by Walter J. Annenberg, a conservative who supported Ronald Reagan. However, when Walter Annenberg died, his family took over the management of the foundation and it took a turn to the far left and has ties to radical left individuals such as Bill Ayers and his friend and fellow left wing radical collegue Barack Obama. How is factcheck.org associated with these people:
To start, Ayers was the key founder of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Chicago public school reform project from 1995 to 2001. Upon its start in 1995, Obama was appointed Board Chairman and President of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Geesh, that alone connects all three. Well, it branches out even more from there.
Ayers co-chaired the organization’s Collaborative, which set the education policies of the Challenge. Oddly enough, Obama was the one who was authorized to delegate to the Collaborative in regards to its programs and projects. In addition to that, Obama often times had to seek advice and assistance from the Ayer’s led Collaborative in regards to the programmatic aspects of grant proposals. Ayers even sat on the same board as Obama as an “ex officio member”. They both also sat together on the board of the CAC’s Governance Committee. Obama and Ayers were two parts of a group of four who were instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern the CAC. Keep in mind that the “A” in CAC is for Annenberg, the owners of FactCheck.org. The funding for Ayer’s projects and those of his cronies was approved by Board Chair, Barack Obama.
http://theswash.com/liberty/who-fact-checks-factcheck-org
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The fact is that whether its 2,000 or 20,000 that communist Kenyan piece of shit and the worthless slime that voted for him lied about costs going down for the average family.
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The fact is that whether its 2,000 or 20,000 that communist Kenyan piece of shit and the worthless slime that voted for him lied about costs going down for the average family.
Do you remember this gem by the clown in chief?
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Do you remember this gem by the clown in chief?
Anyone who believed that bs belongs in front of a death panel
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I don't understand, America already has a welfare system, and now a subsidized government health plan.
Why not adopt Canada's system instead? It's basically the same thing, but income tax might have to go up a bit, which is actually better as people don't have to set aside money to buy in "obamacare" or similar services.
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I don't understand, America already has a welfare system, and now a subsidized government health plan.
Why not adopt Canada's system instead? It's basically the same thing, but income tax might have to go up a bit, which is actually better as people don't have to set aside money to buy in "obamacare" or similar services.
Because ObamaCare was never intended to help people - its about ripping off the middle class
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I don't understand, America already has a welfare system, and now a subsidized government health plan.
Why not adopt Canada's system instead? It's basically the same thing, but income tax might have to go up a bit, which is actually better as people don't have to set aside money to buy in "obamacare" or similar services.
Easy there commie ;)
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Because ObamaCare was never intended to help people - its about ripping off the middle class
Your truly not that bright. My sympathies lie with you.
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family
(CNSNews.com) – In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.
Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.
The IRS's assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.
The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.
“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.
Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare--after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.
In the new final rules published Wednesday, IRS set in law the rules for implementing the penalty Americans must pay if they fail to obey Obamacare's mandate to buy insurance.
To help illustrate these rules, the IRS presented examples of different situations families might find themselves in.
In the examples, the IRS assumes that families of five who are uninsured would need to pay an average of $20,000 per year to purchase a Bronze plan in 2016.
Using the conditions laid out in the regulations, the IRS calculates that a family earning $120,000 per year that did not buy insurance would need to pay a "penalty" (a word the IRS still uses despite the Supreme Court ruling that it is in fact a "tax") of $2,400 in 2016.
For those wondering how clear the IRS's clarifications of this new "penalty" rule are, here is one of the actual examples the IRS gives:
“Example 3. Family without minimum essential coverage.
"(i) In 2016, Taxpayers H and J are married and file a joint return. H and J have three children: K, age 21, L, age 15, and M, age 10. No member of the family has minimum essential coverage for any month in 2016. H and J’s household income is $120,000. H and J’s applicable filing threshold is $24,000. The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000.
"(ii) For each month in 2016, under paragraphs (b)(2)(ii) and (b)(2)(iii) of this section, the applicable dollar amount is $2,780 (($695 x 3 adults) + (($695/2) x 2 children)). Under paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, the flat dollar amount is $2,085 (the lesser of $2,780 and $2,085 ($695 x 3)). Under paragraph (b)(3) of this section, the excess income amount is $2,400 (($120,000 - $24,000) x 0.025). Therefore, under paragraph (b)(1) of this section, the monthly penalty amount is $200 (the greater of $173.75 ($2,085/12) or $200 ($2,400/12)).
"(iii) The sum of the monthly penalty amounts is $2,400 ($200 x 12). The sum of the monthly national average bronze plan premiums is $20,000 ($20,000/12 x 12). Therefore, under paragraph (a) of this section, the shared responsibility payment imposed on H and J for 2016 is $2,400 (the lesser of $2,400 or $20,000).”
CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS.
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That part actually makes me worry a bit
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/what-a-disaster-obamacare-will-cost-a-family-20000-per-year/
The cheapest Obamacare health insurance plan will cost a family $20,000 per year.
Americans will be forced to purchase the plan or face the Obama IRS.
CNS News reported:
In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.
Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.
The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for a family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.
The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.
“The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.
Joe - click on your link to the Gateway Pundit and you'll see that they are quoting a story from CNS from January 31
your text from above is directly from that story and the Wednesday it refers to is the prior day of January 30th
It's weird how the right wing just makes up shit and then after it's been debunked they wait a few months and just repeat it again
We see this too with the chain emails that get sent each year repeating the same lies that were debunked in prior years
It's like you guys just have no long term memory and after a few months they just hit rewind and start all over again
Why don't you contact Jim Hoft who copied the article from January 31 and posted it on June 3rd
You can tell him he fucked up and posted an old article that has already been thoroughly debunked (but something tells me he probably already knows that)
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Bottom line is that costs are going up, not down as promised.
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Bottom line is that costs are going up, not down as promised.
don't bother reading this because if you do I'm sure you will key in on the one thing that says rates will go up for some small group while being quite reasonable for many more
Also, don't consider the fact that as this goes forward the insurance companies will now have to compete against each other and be competitive in order to gain/retain business and that will likely bring rates down even more
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2013/may/24/calif-health-insurance-exchange-marketplace.aspx
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Coach looking like a fool. Again.
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Coach looking like a fool. Again.
LOL
ObamaDeathCare is down to 37% approval and sinking
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You looking like a whining fool. Again.
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Joe - click on your link to the Gateway Pundit and you'll see that they are quoting a story from CNS from January 31
your text from above is directly from that story and the Wednesday it refers to is the prior day of January 30th
It's weird how the right wing just makes up shit and then after it's been debunked they wait a few months and just repeat it again
We see this too with the chain emails that get sent each year repeating the same lies that were debunked in prior years
It's like you guys just have no long term memory and after a few months they just hit rewind and start all over again
Why don't you contact Jim Hoft who copied the article from January 31 and posted it on June 3rd
You can tell him he fucked up and posted an old article that has already been thoroughly debunked (but something tells me he probably already knows that)
Bump for Coach
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Joe - click on your link to the Gateway Pundit and you'll see that they are quoting a story from CNS from January 31
your text from above is directly from that story and the Wednesday it refers to is the prior day of January 30th
It's weird how the right wing just makes up shit and then after it's been debunked they wait a few months and just repeat it again
We see this too with the chain emails that get sent each year repeating the same lies that were debunked in prior years
It's like you guys just have no long term memory and after a few months they just hit rewind and start all over again
Why don't you contact Jim Hoft who copied the article from January 31 and posted it on June 3rd
You can tell him he fucked up and posted an old article that has already been thoroughly debunked (but something tells me he probably already knows that)
No shit.....gateway article is from this month. Tell me what's changed in 5 months. Nothing.
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No shit.....gateway article is from this month. Tell me what's changed in 5 months. Nothing.
Read Straw's post again and then reply.
Seriously Coach do you have a job? Your ability to communicate seems to be nonexistent.
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LOL
ObamaDeathCare is down to 37% approval and sinking
That law will one way or another be stricken down. When people see the cost, experience the reduction in the quality of care, and realize that it doesn't solve anything but only makes everything worst it will be changed altogether to the point that it won't resemble crapcare.
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Read Straw's post again and then reply.
Seriously Coach do you have a job? Your ability to communicate seems to be nonexistent.
Its not worth responding to. Yes, i have a business. Do quite well. I beleive in capitalism, not depending on the government at any cost. If you or straw seriouly dont believe will and in most xases already have raised the cost, then youre in denial. Again, i haven't been wrong (besides the election) about this person, Obama, one time. You can call names, demonize or what ever, i and alot of others had this fraud nail3d from the get go. Your turn.
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Its not worth responding to. Yes, i have a business. Do quite well. I beleive in capitalism, not depending on the government at any cost. If you or straw seriouly dont believe will and in most xases already have raised the cost, then youre in denial. Again, i haven't been wrong (besides the election) about this person, Obama, one time. You can call names, demonize or what ever, i and alot of others had this fraud nail3d from the get go. Your turn.
Only the dumbest among us fell for the Obama lie machine
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Its not worth responding to. Yes, i have a business. Do quite well. I beleive in capitalism, not depending on the government at any cost. If you or straw seriouly dont believe will and in most xases already have raised the cost, then youre in denial. Again, i haven't been wrong (besides the election) about this person, Obama, one time. You can call names, demonize or what ever, i and alot of others had this fraud nail3d from the get go. Your turn.
30+ million getting insurance + no one gets denied insurance is probably gonna raise costs.
You dont think its worth spending a little to get people healthcare? Or is fuck them your opinion?
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30+ million getting insurance + no one gets denied insurance is probably gonna raise costs.
You dont think its worth spending a little to get people healthcare? Or is fuck them your opinion?
That is not what the CBO says. You know the CBO. The same people you and your ilk used as reference to support the passing of crapcare.
For those who used CBO figures to support the passing of this garbage legislation do you stand by these figures?
However, for those who have kept up with Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections on the implementation and progress of Obamacare over the next decade, the results will not be all that surprising. On the contrary, the most recent report issued by the CBO in May appears pessimistic by comparison. Of the 55 million "Uninsured Nonelderly People" the report lists for 2013, only 11 million, or 20 percent, are projected to obtain insurance during 2014; the number of uninsured falls only to 44 million next year according to the CBO. This leaves a full 80 percent uninsured, significantly more than the 67 percent found by the survey.
In fact, the CBO projects that under Obamacare over the next decade, the number of uninsured will never fall below 30 million. Here are the year-by-year projections from the report:
2013 - 55,000,000
2014 - 44,000,000
2015 - 37,000,000
2016 - 31,000,000
2017 - 30,000,000
2018 - 30,000,000
2019 - 30,000,000
2020 - 30,000,000
2021 - 31,000,000
2022 - 31,000,000
2023 - 31,000,000
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbo-uninsured-under-obamacare-never-falls-below-30-million_733740.html
And we are not going to spend a "little" more. There are going to be many people who are going to pay much more. There was a Forbes article last week that stated people in California could see a 50% increase in individual plans. Add to the increase in insurance premiums the continual increase in gasoline, food and the decreasing value of the dollar and we are headed for even worse times economically.
You excuse a "little" increase. That is not what Obama promised. He said crapcare would reduce premiums to the point that employers could give their workers a raise.
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30+ million getting insurance + no one gets denied insurance is probably gonna raise costs.
You dont think its worth spending a little to get people healthcare? Or is fuck them your opinion?
That remains to be seen. Your dealing with estimates and projections and it's not like they've done a very good job in the past.
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That remains to be seen. Your dealing with estimates and projections and it's not like they've done a very good job in the past.
You are absolutely right.
My point was that its probably gonna raise cost considering its gonna cover more people that could not get insurance before.
If it does or how much i have no clue.
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30+ million getting insurance + no one gets denied insurance is probably gonna raise costs.
You dont think its worth spending a little to get people healthcare? Or is fuck them your opinion?
I don't think it's a good idea to force people to buy a service they do not want. And I don't think it's a good idea to for me to pay to give other people a service they do not want.
Tell me, should government mandate the purchase of food? After all everyone has to eat.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/06/10/ohio-dept-of-insurance-obamacare-to-increase-individual-market-health-premiums-by-88-percent
Nice - 88% increase in Ohio
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I don't think it's a good idea to force people to buy a service they do not want. And I don't think it's a good idea to for me to pay to give other people a service they do not want.
Tell me, should government mandate the purchase of food? After all everyone has to eat.
I agree somewhat.
But health care is something we all need at some point.
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I agree somewhat.
But health care is something we all need at some point.
So is food...
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So is food...
I'd consider a decent blowjob a "need" as well. Don't leave that one out.
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So is food...
Indeed.
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I'd consider a decent blowjob a "need" as well. Don't leave that one out.
They should have blow- jobbing nurses as a part of Obamacare.
Its popularity would skyrocket.
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Indeed.
So you believe it's appropriate for the government to force you to buy food, or make you pay a penalty if you don't and send you daily food shipments? If not, why is healthcare different?
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So you believe it's appropriate for the government to force you to buy food, or make you pay a penalty if you don't and send you daily food shipments? If not, why is healthcare different?
No.
Health care is not different but the thing is,
if you is in need of Health care you are gonna get it unless you advocate letting people die from it. So there is gonna be a conflict of morality here.
And if you do get Health care but has no Insurance the bill will end with all the other payers.
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No.
Health care is not different but the thing is, if you is in need of Health care you are gonna get it unless you advocate letting people die from it. So there is gonna be a conflict of morality here.
I advocate not forcing people to buy a service they may not want, and doing it with full knowledge of the consequences. And while I don't believe anyone should be denied emergency medical care, the person who receives that care should be billed if he doesn't have insurance.
And if you do get Health care but has no Insurance the bill will end with all the other payers.
Well, beyond placing a lien and garnishing that person's wages (or moving against his estate, if he's dead by the time the bill is due), I don't see why anything special needs to be done. Granted, you won't always be able to collect, but how is that different any other bill for services rendered?
Besides, if this is really your concern, why not simply augment the existing system so that anyone not already[/u] covered under a separate policy (e.g. via their workplace) is covered for emergency medical care only under Medicare?
I'll tell you why - because that doesn't help you get anywhere. You are conflating two very different things: healthcare and emergency medical care, and you are doing it on purpose to promote a "solution" to a problem that's made up in order to advance a particular agenda.
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I advocate not forcing people to buy a service they may not want, and doing it with full knowledge of the consequences. And while I don't believe anyone should be denied emergency medical care, the person who receives that care should be billed if he doesn't have insurance.
Well, beyond placing a lien and garnishing that person's wages (or moving against his estate, if he's dead by the time the bill is due), I don't see why anything special needs to be done. Granted, you won't always be able to collect, but how is that different any other bill for services rendered?
Because its the number 1 expense in the US budget
Besides, if this is really your concern, why not simply augment the existing system so that anyone not already[/u] covered under a separate policy (e.g. via their workplace) is covered for emergency medical care only under Medicare?
This sounds like a good idea
I'll tell you why - because that doesn't help you get anywhere. You are conflating two very different things: healthcare and emergency medical care, and you are doing it on purpose to promote a "solution" to a problem that's made up in order to advance a particular agenda.
Somewhat true. But my agenda is if any Universal healthcare and a system where you cant deny kids or people with preexisting condition coverage. But still true.
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Because its the number 1 expense in the US budget
What is? The bills of people who get medical care without insurance? How is that on the budget? Why is the government obligated to pay those bills?
Somewhat true. But my agenda is if any Universal healthcare and a system where you cant deny kids or people with preexisting condition coverage. But still true.
If that's your goal - and it's a bad goal, as lofty as it may sound - then Obamacare is a horrible way to go about getting it.
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What is? The bills of people who get medical care without insurance?
Nope just healthcare in general.
How is that on the budget? Why is the government obligated to pay those bills?
Dont know how to answer this one.
If that's your goal - and it's a bad goal, as lofty as it may sound - then Obamacare is a horrible way to go about getting it.
Oh im not saying Obamacare is "good". Its pretty fucking far from Universal H.
BTW im not saying Universal healthcare is the shit either. But i prefer that over the current system.
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Dont know how to answer this one.
Interesting.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/obamacare-lawmakers-health-insurance-92691.html?hp=f2
LMFAO!!!! These assholes pushed for this now are quitting their jobs because they cant afford it?
LOL!!!
F you O-TWINK!