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What in gods name is wrong with these liberal lunatics? I thought the assholes that supported Bush were nuts, this shit is completely insane.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350279/msnbcs-martin-bashir-says-irs-new-nr-charles-c-w-cooke
MSNBC’s Martin Bashir: ‘IRS’ Is the New ‘N****r’
By Charles C. W. Cooke
June 5, 2013 5:18 PM
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The GOP is using the term “IRS” in place of the term “n****r,” MSNBC host Martin Bashir claimed on his Wednesday show.
“Republicans are using [the IRS scandal] as their latest weapon in the war against the black man in the White House,” he suggested. ”IRS” is the new “N****r.” Bashir gave a nod to the late Republican strategist Lee Atwater, to whom he attributed the subtle strategy.
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Idiot. I watched the clip. No wonder nobody watches that network.
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Laugh all you like.
On some level, he's actually correct.
I'd rather people used the N-word when they actually mean N-word and not play political games with semantics.
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Laugh all you like.
On some level, he's actually correct.
I'd rather people used the N-word when they actually mean N-word and not play political games with semantics.
Lol. The IRS is a criminal organization that abused its power. Has nothing to do w race other than the N's in the video learning line dancing on my dime.
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Martin Bashir =
before 2008 - looking out for "the people" by fighting government corruption accusing everyone from the top down of corruption
after 2008- consummate pragmatist who knows there must be a logical explanation for anything that the government does that seems untoward
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MSNBC's Bashir Selectively Edits 1981 Reagan Aide Remarks to Make Republicans Look Racist
By Noel Sheppard | June 06, 2013
NewsBusters reported Wednesday that MSNBC's Martin Bashir disgracefully accused Republicans of using the acronym "IRS" as the latest racist dog whistle in their "war against the black man in the White House."
It turns out that Bashir used a selectively edited quote of former Reagan aide Lee Atwater to make his pathetic case.
Mediaite's Noah Rothman pointed out Wednesday that Bashir took the supposedly offensive quote from a 1981 interview that Atwater did with Alexander Lamis, an associate professor at Case Western University.
Lamis later included the full text of this interview in his book "The Two-Party South."
Here's what Bashir cited Wednesday:
“You start out in 1954 by saying n*****, n*****, n*****. By 1968 you can’t say n*****. That hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like ‘forced busing,’ ‘states rights’ and all that stuff and you’re getting so abstract. Now you’re talking about cutting taxes. ‘We want to cut this’ is much more abstract than even the busing thing and a-hell of a lot more abstract than n*****, n*****.”
In bold is what Bashir edited out:
"You start out in 1954 by saying n*****, n*****, n*****. By 1968 you can’t say n*****. That hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like 'forced busing,' 'states rights' and all that stuff and you’re getting so abstract. Now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than n*****, n*****. So any way you look at it, race is coming on the backburner."
Big difference, isn't it?
As Rothman noted - and readers are encouraged to review his entire analysis of the 40 minute interview - Atwater was talking about how Reagan didn't need to use race to get elected in 1980.
"Reagan goes out and campaigns on economics and national defense. The whole campaign was devoid of any kind of racism. Any kind of reference," Atwater said.
Sadly, Bashir on Wednesday - in the middle of a totally nonsensical rant about "IRS" being a new racist dog whistle employed by Republicans to attack Obama because he's black! - opted to present a highly edited version of this section of a 32-year-old 40 minute interview.
Sadder still, selective editing has become commonplace at NBC and MSNBC.
And they wonder why their ratings continue to plummet.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/06/msnbcs-bashir-selectively-edits-1981-reagan-aide-interview-make-repub
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WTF ;D
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Lol. The IRS is a criminal organization that abused its power. Has nothing to do w race other than the N's in the video learning line dancing on my dime.
How often do we see circumstances where people use language (contextually) specific to a certain group so they don't have to mention race?
I'm not asking you to break character and think. Simply arguing that it happens pretty damn often, LOL!
We all know damn well someone's talking about black people when they use certain terms. :)
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How often do we see circumstances where people use language (contextually) specific to a certain group so they don't have to mention race?
I'm not asking you to break character and think. Simply arguing that it happens pretty damn often, LOL!
We all know damn well someone's talking about black people when they use certain terms. :)
What does race have to do w the IRS' criminality?
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What does race have to do w the IRS' criminality?
Black people is criminals and so is the IRS :P
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Black people is criminals and so is the IRS :P
Now that I think about it that way . . . . . . ;D
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Now that I think about it that way . . . . . . ;D
Maybe not all black people but certainly all of the IRS :)
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Lol. The IRS is a criminal organization that abused its power. Has nothing to do w race other than the N's in the video learning line dancing on my dime.
hey Mr. Lawyer - tell us what law(s) the IRS broke
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hey Mr. Lawyer - tell us what law(s) the IRS broke
Selective enforcement of the law based upon political belief
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Black people is criminals and so is the IRS :P
I say "People who annoy you" because all my friends watch South Park. :)
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Using "Obama" for the N-word isn't new either. :)
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Selective enforcement of the law based upon political belief
too bad they didn't selectively "enforce" anything nor deny any teabag group tax exempt status (which they were never required to even request in the first place)
you know if any laws were actually broken we'd know all about it (i.e. Issa would say exactly what law or laws were broken)
so once again, tell us exactly what law was broken
given that you're supposed to be a lawyer this should be pretty easy for you
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Laugh all you like.
On some level, he's actually correct.
I'd rather people used the N-word when they actually mean N-word and not play political games with semantics.
I don't think he's correct at all. He used misleading quotes to try and make his point. Also, this IRS scandal has zero to do with the president's race. It's about incompetence and dishonesty. I don't think there is any evidence that people are using the IRS scandal to try and call Obama the N word.
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I don't think he's correct at all. He used misleading quotes to try and make his point. Also, this IRS scandal has zero to do with the president's race. It's about incompetence and dishonesty. I don't think there is any evidence that people are using the IRS scandal to try and call Obama the N word.
no proof yet of dishonestly and only marginal proof of incompetence (at a government agency....shocking)
these teabag groups applied for tax exempt status and since the law requires 501c4 to be operated exclusively to promote social welfare and are since the IRS has said that:
"promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity"
it makes perfect sense for the IRS to scrutinize tea bag groups. The scandal turn out to be lack of equal scrutiny of all of these groups and the fact that teabag groups got singled out for scrutiny will be footnote.
Ideally and investigation will determine that many of these groups (Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, etc..) have no right to this status and the scandal will the that the IRS granted this status to groups that don't meet the requirements
Even better, an investigation might reveal that many of these groups lied and broke the law by engaging solely in political activities
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I don't think he's correct at all. He used misleading quotes to try and make his point. Also, this IRS scandal has zero to do with the president's race. It's about incompetence and dishonesty. I don't think there is any evidence that people are using the IRS scandal to try and call Obama the N word.
I didn't mean 33 was right, LOL!
Was writing about the use of semantics and context-specific words. "She has a nice personality" is generally referring to a fatty or busted chick. :)
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I didn't mean 33 was right, LOL!
Was writing about the use of semantics and context-specific words. "She has a nice personality" is generally referring to a fatty or busted chick. :)
Oh yeah. I agree with that. lol :)
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Selective enforcement of the law based upon political belief
there was no selective "enforcement"
if anything there was selective scrutiny but then that's what the Determination Unit is tasked to do i.e. scrutinize applications for tax exempt status
maybe you think imaginary laws were broken based on political beliefs because nothing the IRS did broke any law
if you think some law was broken then tell us what law or laws were broken
you are a lawyer....right?
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there was no selective "enforcement"
if anything there was selective scrutiny but then that's what the Determination Unit is tasked to do i.e. scrutinize applications for tax exempt status
maybe you think imaginary laws were broken based on political beliefs because nothing the IRS did broke any law
if you think some law was broken then tell us what law or laws were broken
you are a lawyer....right?
laws are meant to be enforced with an even hand, you are not supposed to determine what ppl deserve more scrutiny than others simply for a belief....
only a fucking moron would feel that the IRS selecting groups and ppl to scrutinize based on political ideology was OK...
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laws are meant to be enforced with an even hand, you are not supposed to determine what ppl deserve more scrutiny than others simply for a belief....
only a fucking moron would feel that the IRS selecting groups and ppl to scrutinize based on political ideology was OK...
what law did the IRS break (hint they might have broken a law but it's not one the Repubs want you to know about)
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what law did the IRS break (hint they might have broken a law but it's not one the Repubs want you to know about)
dude it's OK to disagree with the IRS on this one. what they did was wrong. and its good someone caught them and are making them own up to it. at least in the press. no one will think you are a bad democrat if you simply agree that what they did was reprehensible ok? you don't have to defend everything MSNBC tells you to. good god.
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dude it's OK to disagree with the IRS on this one. what they did was wrong. and its good someone caught them and are making them own up to it. at least in the press. no one will think you are a bad democrat if you simply agree that what they did was reprehensible ok? you don't have to defend everything MSNBC tells you to. good god.
I think I've made it quite clear with numerous posts that I think the IRS completely dropped the ball on letting all of these political groups get tax exempt status. They should have done a lot more scrutiny of ALL of these group (left right and center) and most if not all should have been denied 501c4 Status
That is "The Scandal"
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I think I've made it quite clear with numerous posts that I think the IRS completely dropped the ball on letting all of these political groups get tax exempt status. They should have done a lot more scrutiny of ALL of these group (left right and center) and most if not all should have been denied 501c4 Status
That is "The Scandal"
uuummm no.
The scandal is how they SELECTIVELY target people for audits, waste $$$$ of bullshit, abuse taxpayers, act as henchmen for the left, etc
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uuummm no.
The scandal is how they SELECTIVELY target people for audits, waste $$$$ of bullshit, abuse taxpayers, act as henchmen for the left, etc
where is this selective audit claim coming from and other nonsense coming from
I know you're a paranoid delusional person but try to understand that you're mentally ill and not everyone shares your problems
The Scandal will be how the IRS allowed groups acting solely for political purposes to have tax exempt status
That is where this will inevitably lead to
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straw man are you ok with selective scrutiny based on political ideology?
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straw man are you ok with selective scrutiny based on political ideology?
how much more clear can I make my point of view on this issue
I think they should have scrutinized ALL political groups who were applying for 501c4 status and DENIED them all unless they were operating EXCLUSIVELY to promote social welfare (as the law requires) and had no "direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office."
Any group that didn't meet that standard should have been denied
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how much more clear can I make my point of view on this issue
I think they should have scrutinized ALL political groups who were applying for 501c4 status and DENIED them all unless they were operating EXCLUSIVELY to promote social welfare (as the law requires) and had no "direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office."
Any group that didn't meet that standard should have been denied
thats not what I asked...
I didnt ask for your view on how it should work, I asked your view on how it did work...
they didnt scrutinize all groups evenly, they selected groups for scrutiny based on their political ideology, are you ok with that?
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thats not what I asked...
I didnt ask for your view on how it should work, I asked your view on how it did work...
they didnt scrutinize all groups evenly, they selected groups for scrutiny based on their political ideology, are you ok with that?
I have NO PROBLEM with the IRS scrutinizing teabag groups
I have a problem they didn't deny them tax exempt status
can't believe you couldn't figure that out from my last post
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I have NO PROBLEM with the IRS scrutinizing teabag groups
I have a problem they didn't deny them tax exempt status
can't believe you couldn't figure that out from my last post
LOL I just wanted you to say it plainly dumb ass, you have no problem with a federal agency investigating groups, businesses and ppl b/c of their political beliefs...
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LOL I just wanted you to say it plainly dumb ass, you have no problem with a federal agency investigating groups, businesses and ppl b/c of their political beliefs...
they weren't given extra scrutiny because of their political BELIEFS
you're a moron if that's what you think
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they weren't given extra scrutiny because of their political BELIEFS
you're a moron if that's what you think
the irs disagrees with you dip shit
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the irs disagrees with you dip shit
no they don't moron
you're truly too stupid to waste my time so I'll leave you with the reason why a Democratic Group was denied 501c4 Status
You try to figure out if they were denied because of their BELIEFS
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/
Emerge America and its initial state programs were granted 501(c)(4) status by the IRS several years ago. Later, when a new state program applied for the same status, it was denied because Emerge works only with women who are in the Democratic Party, so the IRS determined this did not meet the definition of “social welfare” for the common good. We believed this denial triggered a review of the Emerge programs that had already been granted c4 status, and consequently those statuses were revoked. Becoming 527 organizations has not hurt our fundraising or organizational expansion – we report our donors and continue our work fully transparently.
The Determination Group is supposed to figure out if a group that is applying for 501c4 status meets the requirements for that status
Most of the TeaBag groups (and no doubt many Democratic Groups) do not meet that definition
It had nothing to do with the BELIEFS of either group but their activities
This is what this part of the IRS is tasked to determine
Why do you need this explained to you ?
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no they don't moron
you're truly too stupid to waste my time so I'll leave you with the reason why a Democratic Group was denied 501c4 Status
You try to figure out if they were denied because of their BELIEFS
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/meet_the_group_the_irs_actually_revoked_democrats/
The Determination Group is supposed to figure out if a group that is applying for 501c4 status meets the requirements for that status
Most of the TeaBag groups (and no doubt many Democratic Groups) do not meet that definition
It had nothing to do with the BELIEFS of either group but their activities
This is what this part of the IRS is tasked to determine
Why do you need this explained to you ?
so you have one group...how many liberal groups were given extra scrutiny as opposed to conservatives?
dont be a dip shit as usual
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Nobody is saying they turned a blind eye to liberal groups you retarded fuck...
but only a moron would say they didnt target conservative groups for scrutiny when EVEN THE IRS SAYS THEY DID!!!
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so you have one group...how many liberal groups were given extra scrutiny as opposed to conservatives?
dont be a dip shit as usual
yes
I agree
more liberal groups should have been given extra scrutiny and then not denied tax exempt status
no, ..wait
they should have been denied too
wait
was any group denied?
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LOL strawman the only moron stupid enough to say that the IRS didnt do what they already admitted to doing!!!!
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LOL strawman the only moron stupid enough to say that the IRS didnt do what they already admitted to doing!!!!
Yeah, it's crazy... They ADMIT they selectively looked harder at certain people, but they didn't apparently?
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laws are meant to be enforced with an even hand, you are not supposed to determine what ppl deserve more scrutiny than others simply for a belief....
only a fucking moron would feel that the IRS selecting groups and ppl to scrutinize based on political ideology was OK...
So of course you'd interpret it as harassment if cops at a border crossing into the USA decided to stroll up with a drug sniffing canine when tasked with whether to let someone cross over? ...someone with cannabis decals & bumper stickers plastered over his vehicle, ..and wearing a legalize cannabis T-shirt?
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So of course you'd interpret it as harassment if cops at a border crossing into the USA decided to stroll up with a drug sniffing canine when tasked with whether to let someone cross over? ...someone with cannabis decals & bumper stickers plastered over his vehicle, ..and wearing a legalize cannabis T-shirt?
The analogy isn't really close though is it?
Tax laws are tax laws. If you are entity A, then your tax status is B.
This would be more akin to 2 mostly identical cars, neither of which has any stickers or looks remotely suspicious, but you always choose one car "type" over the other because it's painted a certain color.
That's all.
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So of course you'd interpret it as harassment if cops at a border crossing into the USA decided to stroll up with a drug sniffing canine when tasked with whether to let someone cross over? ...someone with cannabis decals & bumper stickers plastered over his vehicle, ..and wearing a legalize cannabis T-shirt?
Read again what you posted. Give it some thought. Yes. I know. Now you realize how bad your post misses the mark.
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where is this selective audit claim coming from and other nonsense coming from
Ummm....MEMBERS OF THE IRS, THEMSELVES!!!
I know you're a paranoid delusional person but try to understand that you're mentally ill and not everyone shares your problems
The Scandal will be how the IRS allowed groups acting solely for political purposes to have tax exempt status
That is where this will inevitably lead to
You think!?
The left-winged groups got greased through the process, without so much as a "How your mama doing?" probe; meanwhile; the right-wing group experience probing that would make Jenna Jameson blush.
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LOL strawman the only moron stupid enough to say that the IRS didnt do what they already admitted to doing!!!!
lol...as though we needed any more proof that Obama is their Messiah. I'm convinced they would march with him right off a fucking cliff.
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I love how nobody at the IRS have no clue what happened.
Apparently only deaf and blind people work there.
If we fuck up on our taxes we go to jail.
I see no reason why they should not go to prison for this as well.
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lol...as though we needed any more proof that Obama is their Messiah. I'm convinced they would march with him right off a fucking cliff.
And then blame the obstructionist repubs in congress for not voting for the cliff-falling protection bill
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I love how nobody at the IRS have no clue what happened.
Apparently only deaf and blind people work there.
If we fuck up on our taxes we go to jail.
I see no reason why they should not go to prison for this as well.
whos "we" you dont live here remember gimmick...I think you got your accounts mixed up
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lol...as though we needed any more proof that Obama is their Messiah. I'm convinced they would march with him right off a fucking cliff.
It's all quite sad really.
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Bashir hasn't been relevant, since his days of interviewing the late Michael Jackson on his molestation charges.
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IG: More Than 1,000 IRS Employees Misused Government Charge Cards; Wrote 325 Bad Checks
June 13, 2013 - 12:59 PM
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(CNSNews.com) - The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration revealed in a recently released audit report that in fiscal years 2010 and 2011 more than 1,000 Internal Revenue Service employees misused government charge cards issued by Citibank.
The report said that during the two years in question agency employees sent Citibank a total of 325 bad checks written on personal accounts that had insufficient funds to cover them, that agency officials with top-secret security clearances had their charge accounts suspended for failure to pay the balances, and that the IRS had a tendency of being “overly lenient” in disciplining those who misued the cards.
Despite the more than 1,000 IRS employees who misused the charge cards, the inspector general's report found that the IRS did a "generally effective" job in controlling its employees use of the cards.
"We found that the IRS was generally effective in implementing travel card controls," said the IG report. "However, in some instances controls were not implemented effectively, which increased the risk for misuse and resulted in some travel card misuse going undetected."
The report, which is dated April 18, 2013, was released on May 29.
IRS employees who misused charge cards included an executive-level official, a criminal investigator, and multiple employees with security clearances.
“We found that 15 cardholders with either secret or top-secret clearances had their travel accounts suspended due to their failure to pay outstanding balances,” said the IG report. “Two other cardholders with secret and top-secret clearances presented NSF [non-sufficient funds] checks to Citibank for payment of their travel card balance.”
These were not the only IRS officials who wrote non-sufficient-fund checks after passing government background checks.
“In addition,” said the inspector general, “94 cardholders serving public trust positions requiring moderate and high-level background checks wrote one or more NSF checks, and 36 had their accounts charged off [written off as a loss by Citibank] due to their failure to pay outstanding balances.
“For example,” said the IG, “a tax compliance officer wrote seven NSF checks in FY 2011 while occupying a position that required a moderate-risk background investigation.”
The inspector general determined that the IRS had detected most, but not all, of the bad checks that IRS employees sent to Citibank. “Our analysis of the NSF check control review for FY 2011 found that the IRS identified 110 (99 percent) of 111 of the NSF checks that we identified during our review,” said the IG report. “However, during the FY 2010 NSF check control review, we found that the IRS did not identify 77 (36 percent) of 214 NSF checks due to errors in extraction. This occurred because the IRS did not select the correct NSF code in the Citibank transaction data.”
Under a law signed by President Bill Clinton in 1998, federal employees are required to use “a Government-issued travel charge card” to pay for most official government travel and travel-related expenses. The IRS uses Citibank to provide these cards, which are divided into two types: centrally billed cards and individually billed cards. Citibank bills the IRS directly for centrally billed cards, and bills the individual employees, who are then reimbursed by the IRS, for individually billed cards. IRS employees are not permitted to use their Citibank IRS travel cards for anything other than official government travel and travel-related expenses. The IG report focused on the individually billed cards used by IRS employees.
“By accepting the travel card, employees agree to use it only for official travel and related expenses while away from their official duty station for which they will submit a travel voucher for reimbursement,” said the IG report.
The report said that examples of misuse or abuse of the travel card could include, among other things, use of the card by someone other than the cardholder, use while not on official travel, purchases from an unauthorized merchant, and failure to pay on time.
According to the inspector general, by the end of fiscal 2011 there were 51,974 IRS employees carrying Citibank IRS travel cards. Those 51,974 charge-card carrying IRS employees outnumbered, for example, the 34,622 people who, according to the Census Bureau, live in Beverly Hills, Calif. Collectively, in fiscal 2011, the IG reported, they charged $121 million in travel expenses to American taxpayers.
Generally, the inspector general discovered that the more than 50,000 IRS employees carrying government charge card did not misuse them. “The vast majority of cardholders use their travel cards in an appropriate manner and paid their bills on time, which was evidenced by the low IRS travel card delinquency rates,” said the IG. “However, the CCS Branch identified over 1,000 cases of travel card misuse during FYs 2010 and 2011.”
When the inspector general’s auditors examined a sample of 30 cases of travel card misuse to see how the IRS handled the offending employees, they discovered that the IRS tended to be lenient in its discipline.
“While the CCS Branch correctly referred misuse cases to Labor Relations, disciplinary actions against employees were typically less severe than those recommended by the IRS’s penalty guidelines in approximately half of the 30 cases reviewed,” said the report.
Background clearances were not reevaluated for employees who wrote bad checks or had their cards “charged off.”
“In addition,” said the IG, “the IRS lacked standard policies for referring employees who misused their travel cards to security personnel to determine if background checks, security clearances, and suitability for employment determinations required reevaluation. As a result, employees who wrote NSF checks or had suspended or charged-off accounts received little or no disciplinary action in response to their misuse and did not have their background clearances reevaluated for suitability for employment.”
The IG determined that in about half of the specific cases it reviewed the IRS was “overly lenient” with the credit-card misusing employee.
“However, we determined that an overly lenient approach was taken in approximately half of the 30 cases we reviewed,” said the IG. “The lack of aggressive steps taken to address travel card misuse and the lack of a subsequent reevaluation of employee background checks and clearances reduces the overall effectiveness of controls over the travel card program and provides a reduced deterrent factor for travel card misuse.”
The inspector general’s bottom line conclusion in this area was that the IRS is more tolerant of its own employees who misuse government charge cards than it is of American taxpayers who fail to pay their taxes in a timely manner.
“Of particular concern is the fact that the IRS ask taxpayers to voluntarily pay taxes owed in a timely manner and yet was more tolerant when its employees became delinquent and defaulted on outstanding payments, violated the terms of the Citibank contract, abused a Government-provided resource (travel funding), and compromised the integrity of the IRS.”
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