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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: DNewbie on December 22, 2005, 06:55:41 AM
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OK, I am going to start my 3 week Superdrol cycle very soon. Please comment on the following plan.
ON-Cycle:
Superdrol- 10/20/20
Perfect Cycle
Policosinol
Hawthorn Berry
Red Yeast Rice
Fish Oils
CoQ10
Multivitamin
PCT:
Nolva
Rebound XT
AX Retain
Fenugreek
1.5 Gallons of water per day.
Minimum 3000 calorie intake
Workout heavy and hard!
Opinions/Suggestions?
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Suggestions? Assuming that you are ready to do this, do it right!
Add 10-12 weeks of test and run HCG during cycle:
Test E or Test C 250 mg mon/thur weeks 1-10
300 IU HCG along with each Test shot weeks 2-11 (otherwise if doing the HCG separately, then sub-q the day before (i.e. Sunday/Wednesday))
Arimidex .5 mg EOD weeks 1-11
Superdrol 20 mg daily weeks 10-12
Nolvadex 40 mg (60 mg if using liquid Tamoxifen Citrate) ED week 13
Nolvadex 20 mg (30 mg if using liquid Tamoxifen Citrate) ED weeks 14 - 18
Otherwise (if you are impatient and looking for a jump start) you could alternatively use the Superdrol for 3 weeks at the start, but the approach listed above is better in the long run since you are able to keep running strong right up to PCT. The sups you have listed you look good (although I wouldn't bother with Rebound XT or AX Retain).
Are you sure that 3,000 calories is enough? What are your stats?
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Opinions/Suggestions?
You're going to run a cycle on the strength of "Superdrol" and some supplements that you should probably be taking anyway? ???
I don't like it.
You run Test as a base always......
ALWAYS.
DIV
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Sorry, guys...Sticking with Superdrol right now. Not going to do Test. So, assuming this, any other ideas?
3000 is the minimum intake. I am 6'2 and currently 200 lbs....32 years old....
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Sorry, guys...Sticking with Superdrol right now. Not going to do Test. So, assuming this, any other ideas?
3000 is the minimum intake. I am 6'2 and currently 200 lbs....32 years old....
Other ideas? Sure -- stay natural. 3 weeks of Superdrol at 20 mg ED will likely get you 6-8 pounds, but will shutdown your HPTA. This will take approximately 6 weeks to get going again, during which time you will gain nothing and probably lose a pound or two. So in the end, you will have gained approximately 6 pounds in 9 weeks.
At 6'2, 200 lbs. you should (easily) be able to gain 9-12 lbs. naturally in 9 weeks, so using Superdrol will set you *back* 3 - 6 lbs. In addition, Superdrol is a rather harsh oral. It will destroy your lipid profile and stress your liver. It is much more dangerous than testosterone (although it was legal, ironically enough).
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Unfortunately, I have not been able to gain 10-12 pounds naturally. Most that do a 3 week cycle say around 10-14 pounds of gains. Also, with the supps listed, wouldn't the liver be fine? 20MG is not a very high dosage from what I have read. Some are going up to 40MG/day.
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Other ideas? Sure -- stay natural. 3 weeks of Superdrol at 20 mg ED will likely get you 6-8 pounds, but will shutdown your HPTA. This will take approximately 6 weeks to get going again, during which time you will gain nothing and probably lose a pound or two. So in the end, you will have gained approximately 6 pounds in 9 weeks.
At 6'2, 200 lbs. you should (easily) be able to gain 9-12 lbs. naturally in 9 weeks, so using Superdrol will set you *back* 3 - 6 lbs. In addition, Superdrol is a rather harsh oral. It will destroy your lipid profile and stress your liver. It is much more dangerous than testosterone (although it was legal, ironically enough).
^That's what I'm saying. The risk/reward quotient is negligible here.
He's getting all the bad sides, without a fraction of the benefit of AAS.
A complete waste, IMO.
I don't sanction this cycle.
DIV
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So, are you against SD completely as a stand alone supplement? If so, why is there such great hype about it?
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So, are you against SD completely as a stand alone supplement? If so, why is there such great hype about it?
Because it's a prohormone that they are hyping as being close to the real thing.
Fu.ck that......
Just use AAS or don't.
Prohormones are a waste of $$$$$$$
DIV
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Look, the proposed cycle you listed is fine..
Even I'm technically a "noob" and I know this, to suggest that you could gain 6-9 pounds naturally in a 8 week period is ludicrus, whoever suggested that doesn't even lift weights. It's like he picked up a muscle magazine and he's reading an advertisement. That is literally the dumbest comment I have ever fucking heard.
6-9 pounds naturally in 8 weeks? Are u fucking retarded? Those numbers would only be worthwhile if it was mostly muscle, apply that logic to a whole year, much less a few, all of a sudden a natural athlete could gain 40 pounds in 2 years. A natural bodybuilder would get lucky to gain 5 SOLID FUCKIGN POUNDS IN 12 MONTHS!
So anyway, ignoring the idiot that suggested that..
if you don't want to run test as a base, you don't have to. Do a proper PCT so your test returns to it's normal level, dont listen to these jackasses, I guarantee half aren't even your size.
EDIT: I'm proposing running my own Superdrol cycle myself. You might want to extend the length, there's no point in stopping after a 3-4 week period if you're still making gains, don't exceed 10 weeks but see how your body responds and try to continue growing. You don't neccessarily NEED all the hawthorne berry and various supplements for liver care, that could be a waste. Just make sure that you take some basic liver protectives and you'll be fine, remember to do PCT.
-rufjunk
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Because it's a prohormone that they are hyping as being close to the real thing.
Fu.ck that......
Just use AAS or don't.
Prohormones are a waste of $$$$$$$
DIV
Superdrol isn't a prohormone....It doesn't need to convert to a parent hormone to be active...superdrol is in fact a steriod...The chemical name is methasteron..Methasteron was in fact studied by a pharmaceutical firm many years ago..However, its safety profile sucked...That's why it wasn't bought to market and sold as a steriod like anavar or winstrol.
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Superdrol isn't a prohormone....It doesn't need to convert to a parent hormone to be active...superdrol is in fact a steriod...The chemical name is methasteron..Methasteron was in fact studied by a pharmaceutical firm many years ago..However, its safety profile sucked...That's why it wasn't bought to market and sold as a steriod like anavar or winstrol.
hmmmm........I stand corrected then.
Methasteron........never heard of it.
What is its chemical structure most closely related to?
DIV
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hmmmm........I stand corrected then.
Methasteron........never heard of it.
What is its chemical structure most closely related to?
DIV
http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2609 (http://forum.avantlabs.com/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=2609)
Well there's some info on the chemical structure of methasteron...
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Look, the proposed cycle you listed is fine..
Even I'm technically a "noob" and I know this, to suggest that you could gain 6-9 pounds naturally in a 8 week period is ludicrus, whoever suggested that doesn't even lift weights. It's like he picked up a muscle magazine and he's reading an advertisement. That is literally the dumbest comment I have ever fucking heard.
6-9 pounds naturally in 8 weeks? Are u fucking retarded? Those numbers would only be worthwhile if it was mostly muscle, apply that logic to a whole year, much less a few, all of a sudden a natural athlete could gain 40 pounds in 2 years. A natural bodybuilder would get lucky to gain 5 SOLID FUCKIGN POUNDS IN 12 MONTHS!
So anyway, ignoring the idiot that suggested that..
if you don't want to run test as a base, you don't have to. Do a proper PCT so your test returns to it's normal level, dont listen to these jackasses, I guarantee half aren't even your size.
EDIT: I'm proposing running my own Superdrol cycle myself. You might want to extend the length, there's no point in stopping after a 3-4 week period if you're still making gains, don't exceed 10 weeks but see how your body responds and try to continue growing. You don't neccessarily NEED all the hawthorne berry and various supplements for liver care, that could be a waste. Just make sure that you take some basic liver protectives and you'll be fine, remember to do PCT.
-rufjunk
Almost no one gets any further gains after the first 3 weeks on Superdrol -- read all the cycle logs. Furthermore, 20 mgs. seems to be the best dose as going above this only increases side-effects for most people. I ran the cycle I listed above and gained over 20 lbs. of muscle (5'10" 194 to 218 lbs at 35 years old). The Superdrol gave a nice kick at the end and added an additional 5 lbs. (although I ramped up the calories at the same time, so it could have been the test -- who knows).
Personally, even at 35 yrs. old w/ diminished test levels, I had no problem adding nearly a pound of week of muscle -- until I got to 3 lbs. per inch of height at approx. 10% bodyfat. Maybe my genetics are just that good -- who knows. Diet is really key though -- that much I know.
Currently at 230 lbs. I have no doubt that I will hit 250 lbs. at 12% or so bodyfat -- up from 194 lbs. at 8% in *one* year. Naturally, no, but at this point in my life I am done with being a natural. Good luck guys.
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Well, for the few guys that did not endorse this cycle, you guys suck! I just fnished my cycle today and have gained 21 pounds on SD. Major strength gains as well. Side effects were tolerable. Most noticable was the lower back pain. PCT starts tomorrow.....
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OK, I am going to start my 3 week Superdrol cycle very soon. Please comment on the following plan.
ON-Cycle:
Superdrol- 10/20/20
Perfect Cycle
Policosinol
Hawthorn Berry
Red Yeast Rice
Fish Oils
CoQ10
Multivitamin
PCT:
Nolva
Rebound XT
AX Retain
Fenugreek
1.5 Gallons of water per day.
Minimum 3000 calorie intake
Workout heavy and hard!
Opinions/Suggestions?
How much did you spend on all that?
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Well, for the few guys that did not endorse this cycle, you guys suck! I just fnished my cycle today and have gained 21 pounds on SD. Major strength gains as well. Side effects were tolerable. Most noticable was the lower back pain. PCT starts tomorrow.....
Of that 21lbs, you will probably keep 10-12 if you are lucky......but my hunch says after the waterweight drops you will probably only retain maybe 5-7lbs of lean mass.
If that's what you wanted out of it, fine..........but that's not sufficient for me....
DIV
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Well, for the few guys that did not endorse this cycle, you guys suck! I just fnished my cycle today and have gained 21 pounds on SD. Major strength gains as well. Side effects were tolerable. Most noticable was the lower back pain. PCT starts tomorrow.....
I'm not judging your decision to use that pro-steroid but why did you choose that over a real cycle?
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I still want to know how much this guy spent on all that.
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I still want to know how much this guy spent on all that.
A few hundred shakes.........
Too much for me. ::)
DIV
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A few hundred shakes.........
Too much for me. ::)
DIV
You're probably right...but it's way more then I'm willing to spend.
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superdrol is pure garbage. I only did 30 mg for 3 days before i stopped. Never have i experienced som many sides from a compund, including anadrol.
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i think the reason they are so into it is
1. fear of needles
2. its legal to get
bottom line...... and all gain 20 pounds in 3 weeks... some of wich you will lose and have a ton of sides etc etc
as apposed to real stuff (cheaper in long run) better keepable gains and a sex drive of a maniac
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I am "into it" because it works...Sides were not that frickin bad. Gains were incredible...
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I am "into it" because it works...Sides were not that frickin bad. Gains were incredible...
Mixed reviews at best on here about SuperDrol.
If it was rejected by a Pharmaceutical company due to safety concerns I have my doubts as to how legit this compound is.
If it's so good why do I rarely hear about it from vets?
Fina isn't even on the market and it's probably in the top 3 AAS on the black market. Word gets out if the product is legit.
I haven't heard anything about Superdrol except this one thread.
That to me means that it's not anything special.
DIV
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actually div this is the low down... once the prohormone ban went through and banned all the good "pro hormones/ designer steroids" like 1-1ad and 1-test, m1t etc the supplements companys had to go back into the old chemical books to find other steroid derivatives.... these are all 40+ year old steroids that werent the best ones... the best ones where already out..... so now what the supplement compansy do is take the older ones and sometimes hack off a part of the structure here or there and market it as legal... even if it is unhealthy for you like superdrol wich has been proven to b very toxic.... alos these supplement co's dont care to tell the consumer aobut how the sides are they just want there money...... its all about hte dough brotha
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phera plex is better than superdrol from all ive heard, no run down lethargic feeling, more mass gains.
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phera plex is better than superdrol from all ive heard, no run down lethargic feeling, more mass gains.
Pheraplex/ergomax best legal oral androgen to come out ever. I used something similar to ergomax a while back. Better than dbol for sure..Shit is toxic as a muthafucker..made my liver and other organs hurt. Superdrol works well from what i hear...Sides are terrible.
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You're going to run a cycle on the strength of "Superdrol" and some supplements that you should probably be taking anyway? ???
I don't like it.
You run Test as a base always......
ALWAYS.
DIV
people use gear so they can move two steps forward and one step back when off.....i see this "cycle" as one step forward and then two steps back when off...Just don't get it...
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by the way banging chicks in the ass is illegal in some states also but it doesn't stop 1/2 the population from doing it...Get on some gear and stay away from shit like superdrol!!!
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actually div this is the low down... once the prohormone ban went through and banned all the good "pro hormones/ designer steroids" like 1-1ad and 1-test, m1t etc the supplements companys had to go back into the old chemical books to find other steroid derivatives.... these are all 40+ year old steroids that werent the best ones... the best ones where already out..... so now what the supplement compansy do is take the older ones and sometimes hack off a part of the structure here or there and market it as legal... even if it is unhealthy for you like superdrol wich has been proven to b very toxic.... alos these supplement co's dont care to tell the consumer aobut how the sides are they just want there money...... its all about hte dough brotha
So, basically it's a chop-shop operation? Changing one aspect of the chemical structure and a whole new pro-hormone to market and sell.
I don't follow pro-hormones because I use the real thing.
Pheraplex/ergomax best legal oral androgen to come out ever. I used something similar to ergomax a while back. Better than dbol for sure..Shit is toxic as a muthafucker..made my liver and other organs hurt. Superdrol works well from what i hear...Sides are terrible.
GHB, why are you even bothering with pro-hormones. Most of them seem to be half the benefits of AAS with double the sides and toxicity.
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people use gear so they can move two steps forward and one step back when off.....i see this "cycle" as one step forward and then two steps back when off...Just don't get it...
^That's a good analogy. At least with AAS you know what you're getting (so to speak) and can guage how a drug works on you from personal experience without the guessing games.
With improvements in PCT , hopefully that "one step back" will be reduced to half-steps....
DIV
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yes div this is exactly what it is...
1. good hormones get banned
2. they find the less deserible ones and sell those
3. those get banned
4. they change a tiny part of chemical makeup so its technicaly not under ban anymore and sell it again
just think these people takin superdrol and the like are takin the rejects chemicals of the steroid world basically, long as the supplements co's can make a profit they dont care lol
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pheraplex is a progestin- not clinically tested (this is a steroid- a methylated oral steroid)
retain- is p-tyramine (less active version of tyramine), clary sage extract (most likely for Camp, though....), and the methylated version of beta-androstenetriol which may suppress cortisol, though only the non-methylated version has been tested and what it faound was that it increased cytokines that were suppressed by cortisol, there was no direct evidence of cortisol suppression. The non methylated version looks very promising for immune response, this is less likely to be the case with the methylated version since methylation decreases sensitivity to steroid receptor binding.
Basically the company is taking an obscure steroid that never made it to the clinical stage of testing and methylating the ester for bioavailibity (though weak) in oral consumption.
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yes div this is exactly what it is...
1. good hormones get banned
2. they find the less deserible ones and sell those
3. those get banned
4. they change a tiny part of chemical makeup so its technicaly not under ban anymore and sell it again
just think these people takin superdrol and the like are takin the rejects chemicals of the steroid world basically, long as the supplements co's can make a profit they dont care lol
^That is EXACTLY why I would stay away from Superdrol. Basically it's the highest risk of the rejected steroid profiles. There is a reason it hasn't been released before. Strictly a money-making venture for these supplement companies.
I think I'll stick to the legitimate AAS that are actually proven to be effective at a minimal risk.
At least I know what the risks are with AAS......prohormones are a gray area.
DIV
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Will you guys list all the side effects that you've had from superdrol. I don't want to hear what you've heard from other people, only those that have used it. Thanks
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I will list those which aggravated me in a most to least pattern
joint pain end of week 1 through completion
lethargy beginning of second week through completion
sleeplessness end of first week through completion
mood swings second week through completion
lower back pain beginning of third week through completion
2.5 week run, 10 mg first week, 20 mg last week and a half
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ledd if you would of gotten blood work done after you would of had a big suprise to lol.......... side effects you can feel are one thing but the real low down on whats it doin to your body is in bloodwork and its toxicity to you
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ledd if you would of gotten blood work done after you would of had a big suprise to lol.......... side effects you can feel are one thing but the real low down on whats it doin to your body is in bloodwork and its toxicity to you
I really wish I would have done that. I had been thinking of doing another cycle the right way with liver protection and pct but after reading all the negative things on this product I have decided that I was a moron for taking the risk that I did. The next time I insert something to boost testosterone it will be the real stuff with a real plan of action.
P.S.
Something I should have added in my post with the sides was that I got what I considered great gains, and I kept most of them. However, I did this cycle from late July to mid August and I havent started progressing again until just this month. I think this stuff really messed with my blood.
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ledd i thin i read in another post on superdrol by you that you didnt have a pct or a proper one... this is also the reason your growth didnt continue till now... always use nolva and hcg
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Superdrol has been completely discontinued now. Straight from the man behind the labs himself. Pheraplex is the equivilent substitute, but completely more anabolic. It is like methyltest + cheque drops together.
They have a new product to be revealed in the next month or two. Strictly a strength based compound akin to halotestin that would only be used BBing wise for hardness when in the low BF digits.
Make no mistake, these are NOT prohormones, no matter what is told to you. These are completely pure steroids that never made it to clinical trials.
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They have a new product to be revealed in the next month or two. Strictly a strength based compound akin to halotestin that would only be used BBing wise for hardness when in the low BF digits.
I'm skeptical that they will get away with releasing any Fluoxymesterone pre-cursor without it getting flagged and discontinued by the Feds eventually.
Halo is STRONG.
Stronger than any androgen I've used. Keep me posted, because I'm skeptical.
DIV
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This is not a precursor.
This is just as Superdrol was and Pheraplex is, a steroid that never made it to the testing stages for FDA approval years ago. This company is doing nothing but dusting off old steroid profiles that are available through China pharmacitical suppliers. Not a prohormone at all.
Which is good and bad depending on how you look at it. If these roids were not worthy enough to even make it to the clinical stage back in the 60's when most hormone work was being accepted and explored, makes you wonder what is going to happen to the casual user six months down the road.
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Which is good and bad depending on how you look at it. If these roids were not worthy enough to even make it to the clinical stage back in the 60's when most hormone work was being accepted and explored, makes you wonder what is going to happen to the casual user six months down the road.
I'm not too worried about the casual user but the guys who take the "more & longer" is better approach. They're the ones who are going to screw themselves up big time.
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If these roids were not worthy enough to even make it to the clinical stage back in the 60's when most hormone work was being accepted and explored, makes you wonder what is going to happen to the casual user six months down the road.
Exactly..........read in to that what you will.
I'm not too worried about the casual user but the guys who take the "more & longer" is better approach. They're the ones who are going to screw themselves up big time.
Exactly. Everyone wants everything "more & faster" until they it's too late and they have some type of internal damage.
That's life. Everyone makes choices. You have to live with it (or die with it).
DIV