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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/politics/zimmerman-federal-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Despite outrage, federal charges uncertain in Zimmerman cas
In the emotional aftermath of the Trayvon Martin killing last year, Attorney General Eric Holder signaled the unlikelihood of filing federal hate crimes charges against admitted shooter George Zimmerman. "For a federal hate crime, we have to prove the highest standard in the law," Holder said in April 2012, 45 days after Zimmerman shot the African American teenager in what was depicted by civil rights groups as a racially motivated killing. In words that now sound prescient, Holder described to reporters that day how "something that was reckless, that was negligent does not meet that standard."
"We have to show that there was specific intent to do the crime with requisite state of mind," he said. Zimmerman's acquittal of state murder and manslaughter charges on Saturday showed the Florida jury rejected that he intended to kill Martin for any reason, including the racial motivation necessary for federal charges that he violated Martin's civil rights.
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/politics/zimmerman-federal-charges/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
If we can go to war with iraq with made up WMD lies
we can put away this fat fuck away for murder one way or another
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Double jeopardy. Obama, NAACP AND Sharpton can take their racist asses and go Fuck themselves.
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The crazy thing is... I am one of those white people that wanted him to be found guilty. But I don't give shit anymore because of the vilification of white people.
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reverse racism
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an adult pussy who cant go one on one with his fist with a 17yr old should not be allowed to walk the streets
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an adult pussy who cant go one on one with his fist with a 17yr old should not be allowed to walk the streets
trayvon underestimated him badly
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trayvon underestimated him badly
LOL
You ain't Kidding
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trayvon underestimated him badly
you can't simmer the zimmer :)
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The crazy thing is... I am one of those white people that wanted him to be found guilty. But I don't give shit anymore because of the vilification of white people.
But Zimmerman is not even white, is he?
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But Zimmerman is not even white, is he?
Spread the word because it doesn't seem to have gotten out there.
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But Zimmerman is not even white, is he?
Zimmerman has a Peruvian mother and a white father
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Zimmerman has a Peruvian mother and a white father
He identifies as hispanic
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THIS......
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But Zimmerman is not even white, is he?
he is as white as Obama
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an adult pussy with MMA training who cant go one on one with his fist with a 17yr old should not be allowed to walk the streets
fixed.
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they are still calling him a token white by all estimates. The media really wanted to start a race war and played us all.
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Zimmerman has a Peruvian mother and a white father
His mother supposedly had Afro-Peruvian ancestors.
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they are still calling him a token white by all estimates. The media really wanted to start a race war and played us all.
then the media needs to be called on the carpet for it.
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they are still calling him a token white by all estimates. The media really wanted to start a race war and played us all.
Are you sure it isn't you?
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SANFORD, Fla. — The first police officer to interview George Zimmerman after he shot Trayvon Martin testified Monday that Zimmerman appeared "shocked" to learn the teen was dead.
Officer Doris Singleton told the jury in Zimmerman's murder trial that the defendant didn't appear angry or spiteful to Trayvon, 17, who Zimmerman shot during an altercation in a gated community here Feb. 26, 2012.
Singleton's testimony came as a videotape of her interrogation of the defendant was played to jurors, some of whom took copious notes.
The videotape shows Singleton asking Zimmerman to explain what happened that night. Zimmerman says his neighborhood was dealing with an increase in burglaries, and he started a neighborhood watch program. He says he had called the police on suspicious people, but often they weren't stopped.
"These guys always get away," Zimmerman says on the recording.
Zimmerman, 29, is accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon. Zimmerman, who has pleaded not guilty, has said he acted in self-defense after he was attacked.
Zimmerman says the tragedy began when, while in his car, he saw Trayvon walking in the neighborhood in the rain. Zimmerman says he called police and pulled over before Trayvon started circling his car, then walked off.
Zimmerman says he got out of his car to find a street sign and to see where Trayvon was going. Zimmerman says he was walking back to his car when Trayvon, probably hiding in the bushes, came out and said, "You got a problem, homie?"
Trayvon then punched Zimmerman and was banging his head into the concrete, Zimmerman says. Within seconds, Trayvon's hand was moving down his body toward his gun, Zimmerman says. Fearing for his life, he says, he shot the teen.
singleton
Sanford police officer Doris Singleton holds up a copy of George Zimmerman's written statement from the night of the shooting while testifying in Seminole circuit court in Sanford, Fla., on Monday.(Photo: Joe Burbank, AP)
In the interview, Zimmerman tells Singleton Trayvon said, "You got me," then "Owww" as Zimmerman held him down.
Singleton, following a prosecution request, read from a written statement Zimmerman gave to police. Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda pointed out to jurors that Zimmerman repeatedly refers to Trayvon as "the suspect" in the statement Zimmerman signed.
Singleton said she didn't ask Zimmerman to use that language and officers refer to suspected criminals as "the suspect." Singleton said Zimmerman referred to Trayvon as "the suspect" only in written statements and not in conversations with officers.
The issue is relevant because prosecutors may argue that Zimmerman was a "wannabe cop" who liked to use police language. State attorneys had to argue before Circuit Judge Debra to keep the option of using the term "wannabe cop" at trial.
Also Monday, the lead investigator in the murder investigation told jurors that he believed the alleged killer's account that race did not play a role in the shooting.
Officer Christopher Serino told jurors that Zimmerman told him shortly after the shooting that he wasn't following Trayvon because he was black.
The shooting and speculation that Zimmerman — who is Hispanic — profiled, followed and murdered Trayvon sparked racial controversy and protests across the nation last year. Zimmerman, who could face life in prison if convicted, has maintained that race did not factor into his actions.
Serino, who later recommended Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter, said there were no major inconsistencies in Zimmerman's comments to police and that Zimmerman came off as believable, even when pressured by officers.
"I think he was being straightforward," Serino said. "I kept an open mind that he (Zimmerman) could be a victim."
The investigator also said witnesses the night of the shooting didn't conflict with Zimmerman's version of events and that he had information from interviews and evidence to support Zimmerman's self defense claims.
An FBI voice analysis expert testified early Monday that it could not be determined who was crying for help in the background of the 911 call that recorded the fatal gunshot.
Voice analysis expert Hirotaka Nakasone, called to testify by the state, helped defense attorneys at a pretrial hearing discredit state voice experts who said Trayvon was screaming in the background of the call. Those state experts were barred from testifying at trial.
"That type of sample is not fit for voice comparison," Nakasone said Monday of the 911 call in question at the trial.
Jurors in the George Zimmerman murder trial on Monday heard a recording and a reading of the statement from the neighborhood watch volunteer describing his fatal encounter with 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. NOTE: Graphic language. (July 1)
The recording was too short and the cellphone recording the screams and gunshot was too far away, Nakasone determined. As a result, the 911 call didn't meet the standards needed to be evaluated.
Nakasone testified that the best people to identify the 911 call in question would be people familiar with the voices of Trayvon and Zimmerman. Members of both men's families claim their loved ones are screaming before the gunshot.
The jury, as a result, may hear from the parents of Zimmerman and Trayvon and have to decide what to believe.
In the first week of testimony for the trial, the state called 22 witnesses to the stand to go over details of what they saw or heard that night. Several law enforcement officials and residents who lived nearby the shooting took the stand. This week, photos of Trayvon's body and Zimmerman's injuries will be further explained.
"It's going quicker than any of us thought," said Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, of the trial. "I'm happy with the pace."
Last week, several witnesses told conflicting stories of what they believed happened the night of the shooting.
Rachel Jeantel, 19, told jurors that she was on the phone with Trayvon right before he was killed and that Zimmerman stared at, then followed Trayvon, who tried several times to run away. She was one of three state witnesses who painted Zimmerman as the aggressor.
"A man was watching him," Jeantel said. "He (Trayvon) told me he was going to try to lose him."
Trayvon was out of breath when he told Jeantel he had lost the man. Shortly after, Trayvon told Jeantel the man was back and behind him, she said.
Jonathan Good, a neighbor of Zimmerman's, testified that it appeared Trayvon was striking Zimmerman while straddling him moments before the teen was shot.
Good, who lives in the same townhouse complex as Zimmerman, said he heard a noise behind his home and saw what looked like a fight. When he stepped outside, he said, he yelled, "What's going on? Cut it out."
"It looked like there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown," Good said.
The potential witness list for Zimmerman's trial includes about 200 people, including family members of both Zimmerman and Trayvon.
"I'm very encouraged by the witnesses who have come forth," said Daryl Parks, an attorney for Trayvon's parents. "We believe this jury is paying attention. We're going to get a fair verdict."
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I guess we all just have to move on... pissed off white folk included :/
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His life will be hell here on out, he is always gonna have to watch his back.
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His life will be hell here on out, he is always gonna have to watch his back.
yes, fat zimmer will always have to be armed and wear a bullet proof vest, plus wear a disguise everywhere he goes.
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The Martin family should just take him to civil court and make him pay out the ass.
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The Martin family should just take him to civil court and make him pay out the ass.
They can't. HTH. :D
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Can Zimmerman file hate crime charges against Travor's caregivers since he was underage?
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reverse racism
This phrase itself is racist. It implies that only whites can be racist, to be racist against whites is "reverse racism". It's fucking stupid and just perpetuates the bullshit.
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there's a march/rally in north park (san diego) against the "colonial occupation, and the injustice of whites murdering Africans" now because of this nonsense. so now he's an African?
skinny little black kid who idolized gangster/thug behavior gets shot by a wannabe cop?
that sounds like natural selection to me.
lol @ all the racist blacks calling the whites racists.
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an adult pussy who cant go one on one with his fist with a 17yr old should not be allowed to walk the streets
this
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against the "colonial occupation, and the injustice of whites murdering Africans" now
???
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9/11 operator to Zimm: "What color is he?
Zimm: "Ï think he is black"
Case over. Obama and Holder can go catch malaria in Africa for all icare at this point.
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there's a march/rally in north park (san diego) against the "colonial occupation, and the injustice of whites murdering Africans" now because of this nonsense. so now he's an African?
skinny little black kid who idolized gangster/thug behavior gets shot by a wannabe cop?
that sounds like natural selection to me.
lol @ all the racist blacks calling the whites racists.
Some thing tells me there will be no mention of Indians living in africa. The same Indians that start business and grow the economy until they get kicked out that is. I know because I had an Indian girl friend from Kenya. She is an Ismile muslim girl and the ismile muslims are very good business people and are respected for being liberal as well. Anyway, her family was kicked out of Africa while running for their lives. They came here with just the clothes on there back because they had to grab what they could. And now they have a successful bakery store here in toronto. They also kicked the Indians out of other African countries before. That movie with Forest Whitiker shows it. But when they kick out the Indians, ismiles and whoever, they take their business and money and have no idea what to do with it... then blame the victims that they killed and chased out. :(
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This phrase itself is racist. It implies that only whites can be racist, to be racist against whites is "reverse racism". It's fucking stupid and just perpetuates the bullshit.
that's what I am always saying about that saying "reverse discrimination" it's very racist against and oppresive against whites.
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This phrase itself is racist. It implies that only whites can be racist, to be racist against whites is "reverse racism". It's fucking stupid and just perpetuates the bullshit.
Truer words were never typed.
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Let the blacks have their rallies. Let them crucify Paula Deen via the media. Let them be portrayed in commercials as smart, suave and with the pretty blonde woman. Let the future bankrupted toss a ball around for millions of dollars. Let them have the media and the rich pretend to give a shit about their plight. They can Simmer the Zimmer all they want. Every last dirty, criminal so-called "black leader" is a millionaire.....keeping their constituents facedown in the dirt so they can leverage those White dollars....and parade around like an idiot to news agencies that fall,over themselves to pick these fuckers up.
Life is good. They fill the prisons and jails to the rafters. They are confined to their plantations hoods entertained with 24 hour convenience stores, fried chicken, liquor stores, and a bevy of ratty churches. Their schools are so dumbed down by tying graduation rates to funding that the family goat could get passing grades. Blacks no longer harvest cotton as a cash crop...they THEMSELVES are the cash crop.....keeping thousands of law enforcement agencies well-funded and the white population ratcheted up with fear so they'll vote where they're told to vote.
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This is a really cool cam: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mareejane
People are setting off fireworks or cops are shooting lol
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This is a really cool cam: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mareejane
People are setting off fireworks or cops are shooting lol
Hope someone else saw that!!!!!!!! ROFL no lie, this liberal bitch got her camera stolen!!!! hahahahahahahah!!!
Craziest thing I've ever seen live!!!
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Hope someone else saw that!!!!!!!! ROFL no lie, this liberal bitch got her camera stolen!!!! hahahahahahahah!!!
Craziest thing I've ever seen live!!!
News.reporter ???
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News.reporter ???
No, she's some dumb liberal white lady. Right after she got done saying "I'm filming so these cops can't pull any shit" some dude walked up and said "Who are you working for?" she said "myself" and he grabbed her camera and ran off... lol
Hope someone was recording it.
From the comments:
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JaffaCalling there's no more stream, unless the traytray saint skittles thief learns how to stream 30 seconds ago • Reply
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Crazy white liberal protesting for Trayvon Martin...
siegeh @siegeh25 2m
@mareejane got mugged and her phone stolen by trayvon supporters, so much for peaceful protest
;D
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@mareejane lol Those peaceful trayvon martin people attacked you and stole your camera... Now if they had slammed your head into concrete...
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Double jeopardy. Obama, NAACP AND Sharpton can take their racist asses and go Fuck themselves.
Do you know what double jeopardy is?
With that said, I don't think there should be federal charges of any kind.
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Let the blacks have their rallies. Let them crucify Paula Deen via the media. Let them be portrayed in commercials as smart, suave and with the pretty blonde woman. Let the future bankrupted toss a ball around for millions of dollars. Let them have the media and the rich pretend to give a shit about their plight. They can Simmer the Zimmer all they want. Every last dirty, criminal so-called "black leader" is a millionaire.....keeping their constituents facedown in the dirt so they can leverage those White dollars....and parade around like an idiot to news agencies that fall,over themselves to pick these fuckers up.
Life is good. They fill the prisons and jails to the rafters. They are confined to their plantations hoods entertained with 24 hour convenience stores, fried chicken, liquor stores, and a bevy of ratty churches. Their schools are so dumbed down by tying graduation rates to funding that the family goat could get passing grades. Blacks no longer harvest cotton as a cash crop...they THEMSELVES are the cash crop.....keeping thousands of law enforcement agencies well-funded and the white population ratcheted up with fear so they'll vote where they're told to vote.
I heard that Janteal is a high school graduate. wth... how can that be? And it's true... all the black leaders are filthy rich. Here in Canada... the leader of our country is not a rich man. Harper... at his best year made $60,000 to $70,000 dollars before becomin prime minister. That's why we liked him... he's one of the common folk. Yet, I hear blacks in our country point the finger and call him rich white scum. Yet, don't point the finger at all the millionaire black leaders. Why point the finger at the working white men?
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MIAMI -- The Justice Department will sift through trial testimony, interviews and other evidence during what is likely to be a months-long investigation into whether George Zimmerman violated Trayvon Martin's civil rights when he shot the black teenager.
The key to charging Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch volunteer, lies in whether evidence exists that he was motivated by racial animosity to kill Martin, who was 17 when he was shot during a fight with Zimmerman in February 2012. And while Martin's family has said the teen was racially profiled, no evidence surfaced during the state trial that Zimmerman had a racial bias.
Former Miami federal prosecutor David S. Weinstein says it will likely be months before a decision is made on whether to bring charges.
Zimmerman, 29, was acquitted of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges after claiming he fired his weapon in self-defense only after Martin attacked him. No evidence surfaced in the trial that Zimmerman had a racial bias, and his friends and family have repeatedly denied he harbored racial animosity toward blacks. Florida did not use its own hate crime laws against Zimmerman.
Legal experts say the FBI and prosecutors will go back through the interviews done before the state case began; look at all the forensics such as crime scene records and medical reports; and review the state's witnesses to see if any who did not testify might have important information.
However, investigators are not limited to existing evidence; they can pursue new evidence and conduct new interviews as they see fit. For instance, federal investigators could look more closely at Zimmerman's past for any evidence of racial bias.
"They are going to need to do a thorough vetting of the facts. It takes time," said Lauren Resnick, a former prosecutor who obtained a guilty verdict in a 1991 New York hate crime case involving the stabbing death of an Orthodox Jew. Those defendants had been acquitted in state court.
The lone juror in the case who has spoken publicly – known only as Juror B37 because their identities have not been released – said Monday that she did not believe Zimmerman followed Martin because the teen was black.
Still, supporters of the Justice Department filing civil rights charges say additional evidence could exist in the federal investigation that didn't come up in the state prosecution of Zimmerman, possibly even witnesses who have not previously been interviewed or did not come up in the state case.
"They have a separate set of evidence they're looking at," said Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. "They might have additional witnesses that were never called upon by the state. I think they will make the best decision that is possible in this case and they will pursue what they think is legally possible."
Several civil rights groups, including the NAACP, are demanding that the Justice Department bring federal charges against Zimmerman, and there have been numerous protests around the country about the outcome of the Florida trial.
During a news conference Tuesday, the Rev. Al Sharpton acknowledged there are hurdles. But he said there remains a fundamental question of "does Trayvon Martin and the Trayvon Martins of this country have the civil right to go home?"
He added: "... we have some experience on how to deal with hurdles and we see that as part of our strategy."
Beyond the exact language of the law itself, the federal probe must navigate between sensitive racial and political issues that arose when Zimmerman initially wasn't charged in Martin's killing.
"Many people simply cannot process how an unarmed teenager is killed, and yet no one is held criminally accountable for his death," said Marcellus McRae, a former federal prosecutor in Los Angeles.
Resnick said a federal jury would have to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman had a racial motive when he began following Martin and that he did not act in self-defense when he fired his gun.
"There remains the serious challenge that prosecutors still have to prove the racial motive," she said.
Zimmerman could get life in prison if charged and convicted under federal hate crime laws.
Generally, the Justice Department is reluctant to get involved in cases that have already been tried before a state jury, in part because of concerns about double jeopardy.
Perhaps the best-known example where federal prosecutors did intervene was the case of four police officers acquitted after a California state trial in the beating of motorist Rodney King, which triggered deadly riots in the Los Angeles area in 1992.
Two of the four officers were convicted in federal court of violating King's rights, but that case differs from Zimmerman's because they were acting as sworn law enforcement officials, not as a private citizen claiming self-defense.
In contrast, the Justice Department declined to prosecute New York Police Department officers after they were acquitted in the 2006 shootings of three men including Sean Bell, who was fatally wounded the morning of his planned wedding. The short Justice Department statement – issued in 2010, four years after the shooting – simply said there was insufficient evidence to proceed.
"Neither accident, mistake, fear, negligence nor bad judgment is sufficient to establish a federal criminal civil rights violation," the department said in the Bell case.
Attorney General Eric Holder said in a speech Monday that the Justice Department probe will "continue to act in a manner that is consistent with the facts and the law." He made no mention of race, gave no timetable for completion of the investigation.
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Associated Press writer Mike Schneider in Orlando and Shaquille Brewster in Washington contributed to this story.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/justice-department-zimmerman-case_n_3605742.html
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The blacks will keep this up until someone is willing to point out that Trayvon was shot while committing a felony.
Attempting to murder someone because you believe they were "cruising" you is not legal.
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so reverse racism does not exist? as we know it. you all know what I mean. I am not playing semantics.
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so reverse racism does not exist? as we know it. you all know what I mean. I am not playing semantics.
no reverse racism does not exist. That's just a term made to oppress white people. People are just plain racist. In my experience, blacks are the most racist.
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Let the blacks have their rallies. Let them crucify Paula Deen via the media. Let them be portrayed in commercials as smart, suave and with the pretty blonde woman. Let the future bankrupted toss a ball around for millions of dollars. Let them have the media and the rich pretend to give a shit about their plight. They can Simmer the Zimmer all they want. Every last dirty, criminal so-called "black leader" is a millionaire.....keeping their constituents facedown in the dirt so they can leverage those White dollars....and parade around like an idiot to news agencies that fall,over themselves to pick these fuckers up.
Life is good. They fill the prisons and jails to the rafters. They are confined to their plantations hoods entertained with 24 hour convenience stores, fried chicken, liquor stores, and a bevy of ratty churches. Their schools are so dumbed down by tying graduation rates to funding that the family goat could get passing grades. Blacks no longer harvest cotton as a cash crop...they THEMSELVES are the cash crop.....keeping thousands of law enforcement agencies well-funded and the white population ratcheted up with fear so they'll vote where they're told to vote.
LOL.
Now, this is paranoia.